User talk:Justaxn

Your draft article, Draft:Los Angeles Tribune (2020)

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for cleaning that up. I knew when I offered it that it was probably not notable, but another editor had requested it. Best wishes. Justaxn (talk) Justaxn (talk) 16:57, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kanawha Falls has been accepted

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Dan arndt (talk) 07:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jim and Jean Strathdee (December 22)

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Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 01:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Jim and Jean Strathdee (December 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

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Theroadislong (talk) 22:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recognize the appropriate policy here, but I'm not seeing the specific phrases that trigger it for you. Can you point out a couple? The article subjects have supported themselves through itinerant musicianship for over 50 years, never getting rich but gaining respect from 15 independent publishers around the world. Does simply saying that they are a small family business constitute advertising? I was careful to use the Official website template and trimmed out a number of more direct commercial statements. I also was careful to request advance review because of the conflict-of-interest policy. Yet I see articles on seemingly every one-hit pop music wonder who has an agent. What am I missing? Justaxn (talk) 23:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Jim and Jean Strathdee has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Jim and Jean Strathdee. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 22:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

===OK, it's gone. Advertising the religion of a billion people more than the article subjects.Justaxn (talk) 23:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This conversation has scattered across several pages, perhaps I'm not replying in the right one. Justaxn (talk) 23:36, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jim and Jean Strathdee (December 23)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by CSMention269 were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

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☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jim and Jean Strathdee (December 24)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Ktkvtsh was:

This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Without even considering notability, this article is not ready to be an encyclopedic entry. Parts of it read like an essay. "Hymns have always had a central place in the making of Christians." There are numerous run-on sentences. Several sections feel like advertising. Overall this feels like a blog post or personal essay than an entry in an encyclopedia.

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Ktkvtsh (talk) 17:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is at the heart of this discussion, I think. The subjects are living artists with a global audience spanning 4 decades. The 15 cited hymnals and song books are each independent, reliable, published sources. The "essay" you quoted is directly from the introduction of Voices United and explains the core reason a denomination of 300,000 people invested 5 years in creating that hymnal — it is the entry point into a community that attempts to make the world better. The same sentence motivated parallel communities around the world to select the subjects' music for their own hymnals. Our encyclopedia should allow readers to learn both what is true in the world and why it is as it is.

Voices United includes about 700 hymns and cites about 500 authors of texts and 500 composers of tunes. It is both encyclopedic and selective. Jim Strathdee is cited as author of 8 texts and composer of 10 tunes. Only 13 authors and 7 composers are cited equally or more often. J.S. Bach is cited as composer of 10 hymn tunes. Strathdee is notable.

Run-on sentences are a pretty weak reason to reject an article about otherwise notable subjects. The community of editors can repair that quickly.

I imagine three possible paths forward.

1. Please suggest a comparable article about a living Christian musician that I can learn from.

2. I could simply delete the Career and Personal sections, although those are standard sections in BLP.

3. I could appeal for review by another reader. How do I do that?

Justaxn (talk) 19:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC) Justaxn (talk) 00:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is at the heart of this discussion, I think. The subjects are living artists with a global audience spanning 4 decades. The 15 cited hymnals and song books are each independent, reliable, published sources. The "essay" you quoted is directly from the introduction of Voices United and explains the core reason a denomination of 300,000 people invested 5 years in creating that hymnal — it is the entry point into a community that attempts to make the world better. The same sentence motivated parallel communities around the world to select the subjects' music for their own hymnals. Our encyclopedia should allow readers to learn both what is true in the world and why it is as it is.

Voices United includes about 700 hymns and cites about 500 authors of texts and 500 composers of tunes. It is both encyclopedic and selective. Jim Strathdee is cited as author of 8 texts and composer of 10 tunes. Only 13 authors and 7 composers are cited equally or more often. J.S. Bach is cited as composer of 10 hymn tunes. Strathdee is notable.

Run-on sentences are a pretty weak reason to reject an article about otherwise notable subjects. The community of editors can repair that quickly.

I imagine three possible paths forward.

1. Please suggest a comparable article about a living Christian musician that I can learn from.

2. I could simply delete the Career and Personal sections, although those are standard sections in BLP.

3. I could appeal for review by another reader. How do I do that?

Justaxn (talk) 19:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]