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KC Chiefs picture

It got taken off by this guy named Ali'i. How can we get this picture back up and not taken down again? --HPJoker (talk) 01:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Apparently fair use images aren't allowed on userpages. I have seen them (and stay there) on plenty of others, which is why I thought it would be fine to keep it there. Sorry... I'll tell you if I find another picture you can put there.   jj137 (Talk) 02:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
How do I know if I can use it or not? --HPJoker (talk) 02:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
You just have to look at the copyright on the image page. The only other image we could use that was on the KC article was Image:Kansas City Arrowhead Stadium.jpg. Since it is in the public domain, you can do whatever you want with it. I doubt you'd like a picture of their stadium in the userbox, but you could alter it to just have a big "Arrowhead" and then reupload it. (Still searching; that was just the first thing I found.)   jj137 (Talk) 02:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
A photo I found is here. http://www.firstandtensportsden.com/store/images/product_images/VINYLMAGNET-CHIEFS.jpg

The site is here http://www.firstandtensportsden.com/store/index.php?target=categories&category_id=234

How do I find a copyright? --HPJoker (talk) 02:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

That image seems to be the same one we were having the fair use problem with, so we can't use that. I'm not really sure about how to find copyrights, you may have to ask someone else about that. (The only one I'm familiar with is public domain, which just means you can do whatever you want with it.)   jj137 (Talk) 02:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
What about this one? --HPJoker (talk) 02:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Image:KansasCityChiefs_1000.png

That's the one that got removed from your userpage, so no, we can't use that either.   jj137 (Talk) 02:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought the ones uploaded to wikipedia were the ones we could use. I found it on the Kansas City Chiefs page. --HPJoker (talk) 03:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, let's try to get this straight.

Yes, you can only use pictures from Wikipedia. However, it is simple to upload any picture. The thing is, those two pictures are exactly the same, and since they are fair use, we can't use it at all. So we have to throw that image out of the picture and pick another one.   jj137 (Talk) 15:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Birthday attacks

Did you read my comments on the edits that you reverted? I can't understand why you call them vandalism. Please explain why you think the article is correct. Thank you. 85.2.91.75 (talk) 15:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting content.   jj137 (Talk) 15:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
What I deleted is a short description of the baby step giant step algorithm. If we talk about birthday attack then we should talk about Pollard rho and not baby step giant step. Please make sure you understand a subject before making edits. Thanks. 85.2.91.75 (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I reverted my edit. Sorry for the confusion.   jj137 (Talk) 15:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

You jumped the gun in Champions tour awards, too. I know you meant well, but you've done this twice in 5 days.--68.126.28.191 (talk) 23:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I reverted back to your version. Thanks for the heads-up.   jj137 (Talk) 23:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Cool. If you know of a way to get rid of the extra space where the old sections were, or know how to get "Year" in the first 2 headers to be bottom-aligned, have at it. I can't figure out either one.--68.126.28.191 (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I got rid of all of the extra white space, but I'm a bit unsure what you meant by bottom aligning the word "year" in the headers.   jj137 (Talk) 00:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm trying to get it aligned with the Player, County, etc. row which is at the bottom of the cell.--68.126.28.191 (talk) 00:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean so that all of the tables on the page are the same width apart?   jj137 (Talk) 00:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

A's 1950 roster

What is it I'm missing here? (I can't seem to get the alignment right.)   jj137 (Talk) 15:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Use the model presented there. Also, when you fill these in, please do not use the template format. Just fill them in on the regular page. SoxrockTalk/Edits 15:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Should I move them into a template once they are completed?   jj137 (Talk) 20:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
No. I've worked on the 1891-1908 Pittsburgh Pirate articles, fine to leave them as is once they are completed. Not to mention, a few templates of that like have been sent to TFD (Templates for Deletion). SoxrockTalk/Edits 20:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm leaving for Thanksgiving so all that sockpuppet stuff will have to wait. Hopefully I can enjoy my vacation. Thanks for helping me out.

HAPPY TURKEY DAY! --HPJoker (talk) 18:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Reply:

Enjoy your Thanksgiving vacation!

(I'll try to make sure nothing too bad happens.)

  jj137 (Talk) 20:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Please reread the "How do I use this list?" section before making any more changes. If the red link and the suggestion are different, list the reason why they are different but do not change the red link to the suggestion.

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Thanks. Can't I simply make redirects (for some of them) or is that wrong?   jj137 (Talk) 15:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
You need to check the "What links here." The easiest was is to use Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups. Then when you roll over a link a yellow box will appear with the name of the article or redirect to another article for that link. Put your mouse over the "actions" tab and scroll down to the "what links here."
If the page that should have the red link does not appear on the "what links here" page, you simply delete it from the list. If the page is on there, you need to see if changing it to the suggestion is appropriate. If it is appropriate, change the link on the page and delete it from the list. If the suggestion is not appropriate, leave the link alone, struck the suggestion on the list, and list the reason why the suggestion is not appropriate.
As for redirects, generally I see if there are three or more correct suggestions on the list of "what links here", I will do a redirect. Your redirect of What, Now? to What Now was not needed for the fact that What, Now? only has one link to it, the red link recovery page.
Aspects (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
One more thing I just thought of. When you struck out an inappropriate suggestion, list your reason as the difference from the red link and the suggestion, not the page with the red link and the suggestion. For example the PepsiCo should probably state Brand of food vs. Fort. See what the main page is looking for in this case a brand of food that Frito-Lay makes vs. what the suggestion says it is.
Aspects (talk) 16:05, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
That was a bit confusing at first, but now it makes sense. I'll get to work.   jj137 (Talk) 16:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Orthodox jews hair/ Jan nederveen pieterse

I had submitted content about JN Pieterse, but it is now filed under someone's random question. I wanted to change the title, but this doesn't seem possible so i was removing this content to create a new one. This article is a requested one, under the article on "Hybridity". I don't how the heading of my contribution has been changed 85.181.68.48 (talk) 23:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, all I saw was that a new user was deleting content. 99% of the time the person's intention was vandalism. Sorry for the confusion   jj137 (Talk) 01:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed that you just removed a blank "See also" section from 1953 in New Zealand. In case you were considering doing that on any of the other "(year) in New Zealand" articles, I just thought I'd mention that I am progressively working through the series (1800 - 2008) inserting a series of "See also" links to replace a motley and ill-formatted collection of links which adorns the "Events" section of the article on most pages. (I'm up to 1922 so far). Cheers, dramatic (talk) 02:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that's the first time I've gotten a message from someone about an edit I made to a random article. Well, good luck with your task.   jj137 (Talk) 02:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind if I removed that expansion tag you put on the Woodside (LIRR station) article back in May 2007? I know you liked the work I did on it, so I doubt it's necessary at this point. ----DanTD (talk) 14:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I think the article looks much better than it did in May. If you hadn't reminded me of that article I probably would have never remembered it (but I do now). Feel free to do whatever you want with it, you've done a great job so far.   jj137 (Talk) 16:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Socks

A username and its associated IP can actually violate WP:SOCK, it's no different than any other two accounts. The question is were they disruptive, tag-teaming, vote stacking, etc. In the case of HPJoker, it's obvious to me the IP and he are the same. They were disruptive in that they both removed legit edits by Socby19, at least one of which was from an article talk page, which no one should ever do. There is also vandalism. To me, this is a threat. Most of this is incivility, disruption, and vandalism. I'm issuing warnings to HPJoker and the IP in this case. RlevseTalk 21:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I asked HPJoker about those edits a few days ago (and I have the complete conversations in Archive 3 of my talk page). He has said many times he lives in a hotel and some of those edits were definitely not him (while others were). I asked him about that vandal edit here, his response here. He also told me a few days ago he was going on vacation and would deal with this when he got back, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.   jj137 (Talk) 22:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
The only edit by the IP I find out of synch with the others is the one to Seekirchen am Wallersee‎, so the hotel claim is possible but I'm not convinced. There are still sufficient evidence, such as edit removals, to be suspicious even if one accepts the hotel claim, which is why I warned vice blocking. Another reason to always log in, then one won't have these sorts of problems. Also a reason to follow rules such as not removing another's edits.RlevseTalk 23:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I see what you mean. I think it really is a tough situation we have here. It may be hard to make any final decisions until HPJoker gets back from his vacation, when we can ask him more about what's going on. I really have no idea why he deleted some of Socby19's edits to my user talk page (and some other pages, maybe, I'll have to check), but I know it really could get him blocked because it is considered vandalism.   jj137 (Talk) 23:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it is a tough case and I tend to err on caution in such cases. When I block, it tends to stick. I've only overturned myself twice that I can recall and only been overturned by others once, maybe twice, that I recall. The ONLY reason I didn't block for the edit removals, which is indeed vandalism, is that vandal blocks are generally not done if more than a day or so old, unless it's long term vandalism. This case looks more like the two were just upset with each other.RlevseTalk 23:50, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
It all goes back to edit warring they had over the MLB 07: The Show article. Apparently HPJoker wanted to keep a "Bugs and Flaws" section of the article, and Socby19 wanted to get rid of it, and they've been arguing continuously since.   jj137 (Talk) 23:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
If it continues, let me know and I'll protect the page. They have time to cool off right now.RlevseTalk 23:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
OK. I've been keeping an eye on the page and nobody's changed it in a few days. I suspect when HP gets back it could start up again, and I'll let you know.   jj137 (Talk) 23:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Keeping an eye on what page! I'M BACK! How was your Thanksgivings? --HPJoker (talk) 05:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The MLB 07 page. I was having a conversation with Rlevse about all of this. I think only a bot has edited the page in the past few days or so.   jj137 (Talk) 15:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
So is this all over? How was your Thanksgiving? --HPJoker (talk) 17:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no, but we have not heard from Socby19 in a while. Read the above conversation I had with Rlevse on my talk page and most of it will be rather self-explanatory.   jj137 (Talk) 19:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, another problem. That Hawaiian guy was taking my photos off of my user boxes because of fair use. Can Rlevse help me with getting those back on? --HPJoker (talk) 23:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think so. Those images are fair use, which means you can't use them at all on userpages. I don't think there's anything we can do about that except pick a different image.   jj137 (Talk) 23:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, JJ. I have no idea why you placed a NPOV warning on this article - please explain. Thanks.--Shtove (talk) 00:07, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Apparently I saw the "remarkable account" wording and placed the template without much thought. My mistake. Thanks (and I reverted it)   jj137 (Talk) 00:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

IP Vandalism

hi why am i being warned for fixing mistakes on pages? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.55.114 (talk) at 01:17, 25 November 2007

You are replacing pages with random content. That is considered vandalism and will result in a block.   jj137 (Talk) 01:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Good work

Ha! I forgot I had a secret page. I made that a month or two ago after finding others' pages. No one found mine (until now). And then suddenly, there it is on the top of my watchlist. Nice work, enjoy the bald man staring at you on your barnstar page. One question, did you find it through small links or through prefixindex? Keeper | 76 21:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Prefix index, and the bald guy is cool.   jj137 Talk 21:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Glad you like him. He has an amazingly uninteresting Wikipedia article here. Happy editing, Keeper | 76 21:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

NASCAR Fan24's Secret Page!

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Welcome!

WikiProject Invitation

Thanks for the invitation. I'll certainly consider it. I'm not sure I can claim to be a true blood Red Sox fan. I have two teams (the Braves are the other). But before 2004, I had only a passing interest in baseball. After watching every minute of the Greatest Comeback of All Time, I became obsessed with the sport. Without the Sox, I might never have had the love of the sport I have today. I love to watch them play. Their games are so damn exciting! Hey, who's your Papi? Wait, I can't hear over the whistle of Manny's walk off screaming over the Monster. I don't think that ball has come down yet ;) -- §HurricaneERICarchive 22:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the Sox games are very exciting. I love the Red Sox but the Reds are still my favorite team (too bad they can never win). About the invitation, I don't think everyone in the WikiProject are even Sox fans (from what I know, Soxrock is a Yanks fan and hates the Red Sox; his username I think comes from the White Sox).   jj137 Talk 01:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
The Reds have a lot of history to them (you, know the whole Big Red Machine thing). However, you do know that they ruined Carlton Fisk's classic homer by up and winning Game 7. However, I do think that the 1990 World Series is one of the most underrated upsets of all time. That A's team was vicious. Griffey was my favorite player growing up. He's such a class act. I can't wait for No. 600. Ryan Freel is not well. Flying headlong toward walls that don't move is not a sign of any good deal of sanity ;). And my God, Adam Dunn can hit. He's hit some of the longest home runs since the Mick. I'm still partial to the Braves. For since 1991, they have won more games that any team in the Majors. Any team that's tried to win two consecutive division titles will tell you that 14 is absolutely ridiculous. As you can see, I love to talk baseball ;). -- §HurricaneERICarchive 21:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it took so long to get back! (Apparently I forgot to reply :( ) Yes, I definitely have to agree with all of that. Freel is probably the craziest Reds player I've seen in a while, and Dunn... well, you know it's something when you're the only player in history to hit a homer to another state (yes, he knocked one over the river and into Northern Kentucky). The good thing is, they're both playing each other in interleague next June, so hopefully it'll be entertaining. Also, the Braves are great. I couldn't believe how good Jeff Francoeur was when he broke into the majors in 2005, and he's really helped their team (even when they lost the division).   jj137 Talk 04:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:D, Yeah, Frenchie got his right arm sawed off at birth and had a cannon put in its place. It's so much fun to watch him play. I'm glad he's finally not swinging at everything that moves. On Dunn, I just remember what he's done to the Braves. In 2005, he hit a 535 footer off John Smoltz (no less) that cleared the steamboat in dead center field, bounced once on a sidewalk outside the stadium and into the river. I have a bit more respect for him now since I learned he got drug tested almost on a daily basis in 2006 and 2007. His stuff's real man. That's unbelievable. Spring Training? When's that, late February, early March? Something like that. Feels like winter right now :S. I can't wait. -- §HurricaneERICarchive 08:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Dunn is, pretty simply, a beast. I remember watching one game a few years ago, seeing him completely clearing a huge building in dead center. I just stood there in awe; I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I remember it went straight into the river (or mabye bounced), and I think that was the one that went to Kentucky. It's too bad Bonds has gotten into all that trouble; I used to have a lot of respect for him because of his power but now just don't care, other than that the all-time home run king, a pretty powerful position, may have been on drugs.   jj137 Talk 01:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for supporting in my recent RfA and for the closer look you gave my contribs. Words nor pictures can express my heartfelt appreciation at the confidence the community has shown me. I am both heartened and humbled by this confidence. I will carry the lessons learned from the constructive criticism I have received with me as I edit Wikipedia, and heed those lessons. Special thanks to Pedro and Henrik as nominators. Special thanks to Rudget who wanted to. A very special thanks to Moonriddengirl for her eloquence and perceptiveness.

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Just wanted to say great job expanding the project. I would also like to help with invitations if you don't mind. Thanks. STORMTRACKER 94 22:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I invited quite a few Sox fans so it may be hard to find more for now :)   jj137 Talk 23:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Nice recruiting Stormtracker. It seems I missed a few big Red Sox fans.   jj137 Talk 04:00, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I placed a category (Category:Wikipedian Boston Red Sox fans) on the Red Sox userbox. All people with the box on their page can now be easily found and invited. STORMTRACKER 94 16:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I did something similar. I just went through the Special:Whatlinkshere for the template and invited pretty much all of those people. I'm sure there is some I missed, though, which you got.   jj137 Talk 17:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for helping out at this page. When you receive a message that a particular username is too similar to another username, please could you look at the contributions of the other username, and if they have no edits, or they have very few edits that were made some time ago, you can use {{ACC|s|username}} rather than sa which is for if the account conflicts with an active user. Tra (Talk) 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, that sounds fine.   jj137 Talk 22:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think it's an attack page. It doesn't specify someone it's insulting. Maybe vandalism or a really poor space holder. I might just redirect to Wild Bill Hickok or Dead man's hand. oops, it's gone already. Dlohcierekim 23:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

It didn't specify an exact name but I guess it could have been an attack at someone. It seems it was speedied under G10 now.   jj137 Talk 23:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Oxymoron got rid of it. I was looking to see if it's a band, wondering if this was a nonsense space holder. Oh well. I'm recreating as a redirect to Dead man's hand. Dlohcierekim 23:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
That makes sense.   jj137 Talk 23:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Moth genera

Sure -- There's a whole other set of gelechiid moths that need created (I'm working on the Arctiid moths): List of gelechiid genera. Same basic style, just replace the familia part of the taxobox with "[[Gelechiidae]]"

Thanks for the help!--NielsenGW 23:46, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

OK. I'll start on another letter so we don't interfere with each other :)   jj137 Talk 23:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Don't forget as well to change the "name" part of the taxobox and the genus part to match the genus you're creating. You'll have to go back and fix the ones you've made. (It's OK--I made the same mistake)--NielsenGW 23:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
AWB is really helpful for this task.   jj137 Talk 02:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

You should look into getting a bot account, or slowing down your edit rate. From WP:AWB "* Don't edit too fast; consider opening a bot account if you are regularly making more than a few edits a minute." -- pb30<talk> 02:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I'll try to slow it down a bit. I do have a bot, JJBot, which is currently not active at the moment. By the time I reopen my case for another task and get a reply, I'll probably have finished the task at hand.   jj137 Talk 02:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The point is it lets folks comment on whether the task is conceivably useful or not. Is there any chance Pseudosymmoca (picked at random) will ever be anything other than a stub? You've created quite a few (hundreds?) of articles, just like this one, that I think might as well simply be redirects to the relevant family (they're all effectively contentless). Creating these as stubs, rather than redirects, strikes me as a waste of time. Are you intending to watch all these articles so that someone will notice if some random vandal makes Pseudosymmoca say "Moths suck!" (or worse). Do you have any expectation that anyone will watch these articles? These sorts of questions would come up if you were doing this with a bot (that had a task that needed to be approved). -- Rick Block (talk) 05:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

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For creating a very large amount of articles with good quality. Keep it up! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much! That is my first real barnstar (I've gotten plenty from secret pages, but those don't count).   jj137 Talk 03:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

You're quite welcome; your name is popping up quite frequently in Newpages! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, someone actually told me to slow it down a bit because I was creating pages too fast.   jj137 Talk 03:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see the discussion above. Well, anyways, good job! Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Again, thanks. At this point, I'm still only about halfway done with the current task, but I think I'm going to take a break for a bit. After I finish this family of moths, I think there's still many more.   jj137 Talk 03:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Drat! Midorihana beat me to it. More edits in a day than I could make in a week deserves recognition. Fantastic. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 03:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow! You say "more edits in a day than you could get in a week", and I say "more (real) barnstar offers in a day than I've gotten in all of 1½ years at Wikipedia". Thanks for the offer!   jj137 Talk 03:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that!   jj137 Talk 03:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised more people haven't given you barnstars. Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I've never gone so edit crazy.   jj137 Talk 03:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Aren't we all?  :) Midorihana(talk)(contribs) 03:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah...   jj137 Talk 03:55, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


Scotland and England

You may want to fine-tune your tagging script a little... [1] :-) Shimgray | talk | 19:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Taymyr

I removed your speedy tag, because I think American Imperialist was still working on it, due to the other two flag-related articles he has created.   jj137 Talk 01:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem; if you think he's still working on it, I'm content. (I actually suspected that it was some kind of hoax or corporate spam page but there was no information, so I couldn't tell. I know barely enough about geography to know it's not a country!) I'll leave it to your supervision and if it requires recreation, just leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 01:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I mistakenly selected Save Page rather than Show Preview, a simple accident. I'll try to be more careful next time. American Imperialist 01:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
No worries to either of you, I think we'll be fine here.   jj137 Talk 01:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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