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@Muboshgu: I engaged in a conversation, what disruptive action did I perform? ImStevan (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@QRep2020: I get your point, but does WP:HUH? apply here considering the discussion was ongoing and I simply pitched my 2 cents in rather than trying to go against what the community has decided and waste their time? I'd understand if this went on for some time, rather than me sending two messages in an active conversation on a talk page and getting warned about it ImStevan (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Caught by an open proxy block but this host or IP is not an open proxy. My IP address is 109.245.34.229. I edit using both my phone (while away) using mobile data and my PC when I'm home. The IP listed above is from my phone since I'm not currently by my PC. I assume this is where the problem occured. If not, then I have no idea what the problem is, cuz I've not been using any VPN's. I wish for my block to be removed. ImStevan (talk) 17:04, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for bringing this topic up for discussion. I think we've hit upon a really great solution through collaboration! Do you have a lot of experience with creating SVG maps? I ask because there was a previous discussion a while back that I initiated after I noticed some inconsistencies and mistakes on the current base map. If you have the necessary skill and are willing it would be great while we're already creating new maps with the new colour scheme that we can try and fix some of those problem areas as well! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:48, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have almost no experience with SVG maps, I'm pretty much only familiar with coloring them — IмSтevan ^talk 11:50, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. When you get a chance can you please take a look at the 2023 and 2022 files for me, I'm unable to upload new versions with a few minor fixes (I noticed Kosovo has been squashed on the original uploads and Monaco has a strange block on top of it). I uploaded a new base file, File:Eurovision events Map 2.svg, with the new colour scheme and with those fixes, so please use that for any new files. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested Commons autopatrol rights, this should allow me to replace maps with new versions as and when, so no action should be needed on your end. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stevan! First off, I thank you for the great dedication you’re putting into this whole map change. I just re-uploaded your previous revision of the JESC 2024 map on Commons since it was reverted due to being used on several other wikis. It is now at File:JESC 2024 Map 2.svg (and actually needs an update with Georgia which I can’t provide). Thanks for your time! ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 18:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again! Sorry to bother, just noticed in your latest edit to the ESC map you reverted Israel as having yet to select. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 21:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh sorry, fixing right away — IмSтevan ^talk 21:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland should be blue on the map for Congratulations 2005, otherwise great work! Fort esc (talk) 17:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fort esc: Fixed! — IмSтevan ^talk 17:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fix map issues

Thanks for your continued work on these maps, and for adding in the new features and tweaks to the underlying data! Not sure if you would be able to do some additional tweaks that had been noticed previously, but you have a lot more ability than I do so I figured I might as well ask! The Balearic Islands on our maps are slightly incorrect, specifically Ibiza and Fortaleza are a lot closer to Mallorca than they should be, and the Channel Islands are also currently missing. If you were able to make these tweaks even to one file I would be more than happy to help with replicating those fixes out to the other maps! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 23:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can give it a shot on the template map — IмSтevan ^talk 23:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8: Done, check them out, I don't know if the Channel islands should be zoomed in or not — IмSтevan ^talk 00:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, thanks! I'm not sure the Channel Islands are to scale however, when I zoom in they seem a bit small compared to what I can see on Google Maps for example. Also the remapped Balearics are currently a different shade to the rest of Spain. I remember when I originally put in this request another user created a mock-up for some of these fixes as well, as well as a few others which I hadn't thought of, which potentially could be helpful to you: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision/Archive 26#Crown Dependencies on Eurovision maps. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 00:34, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I screenshotted Google Maps, aligned them with France and then added Channel Islands on top of that. They might seem small because the outline is covering most of them. I fixed the Baelarics shade, it's just your cache at the moment — IмSтevan ^talk 00:39, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean with the Channel Islands. Do you mean that the white border around it is too thick and is therefore covering most of the islands themselves? If so, can we not just remove the border, since they are islands? Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:33, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can, it's just a question of whether we should stay consistent and have everything with borders or not — IмSтevan ^talk 13:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well if the borders are distorting the image then I'd say we should get rid of them. I was just about to reply as well that File:Eurovision events map (updated).svg has quite a few changes within it that would be useful which I hadn't noticed, including fixes to the Scottish islands, adding in the Isle of Wight which was missing, and adding shading to Lake Peipus on the Estonian-Russian border as we do with other big lakes. Given the size of the Channel Islands, and given that the current base map is not exactly a completely precise map of Europe anyway, this might be a solid base to make the additional changes to the map you have helped pull together, including those extra features that you added such as the Croatian islands. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:45, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I just realised you fixed the Lake Peipus shading, thanks for that! That had been bugging me for ages lol! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be too pushy right now, apologies if I am, but I noticed with the Netherlands now that we're missing the shading over the IJsselmeer, which is still considered a lake as it's closed off from the North Sea, and I think the borders of Flevoland and the islands of North Holland need a look at as well. I appreciate wanting to be consistent with borders across the map, but I think logically adding borders only makes sense where they are frontiers between countries, and I don't think we need them on these small islands which means that in practice you can't even tell them apart from the sea around them. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I didn't know that was considered a lake, I'll re-add the shading. You're not pushy, I'll keep updating the map and you keep telling me if you spot any issues — IмSтevan ^talk 14:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok perfect! I really appreciate all the work you're putting into this, I think it will make a huge difference! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8: I mean with enough time I can add all of the major lakes, it's just a matter of identifying all of those that are worth adding — IмSтevan ^talk 00:49, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate it would be a lot of work, and I completely understand it might take time to get these added. There are quite a few maps on Wikipedia already which should be able to help, File:Same-sex marriage map Europe detailed.svg being a good example. It's a slightly different scale to the Eurovision maps because of the addition of North Africa and western Asia, I don't know how much of a problem that might be for you, but something I figured I might as well bring up as one possibility. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's VERY helpful, ty — IмSтevan ^talk 14:07, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Sims2aholic8: I reporposed the Same-sex marriage map, the map links are still exactly the same and work as intended. What do you think? — IмSтevan ^talk 15:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This looks amazing! I'm so impressed, it's such a good job and it covers pretty much all the necessary tweaks needed that were brought up before! One final thing, which might be a bit more difficult to achieve, is there are now a number of big lakes in North Africa and Australia which weren't in the same-sex marriage map but that we're currently missing, e.g. the Maghreb chotts, Kati Thanda–Lake Eyre and Lake Torrens. I don't expect every lake to be added, most of them would probably be too small to see from that scale, and I think this is probably just a nice to have at this point, but it's something to consider. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get on that at some point, for now don't do any major changes to other maps until we get that — IмSтevan ^talk 15:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood! Thanks again Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:38, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finished — IмSтevan ^talk 17:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1992 map

Bosnia and Herzegovina and North Macedonia (FYR Macedonia) already had significant international recognition before the 1992 contest in May. Per the information available on 1992 Bosnian independence referendum both the US and EEC had recognised Bosnian independence in April, and it appears that several states had already recognised Macedonian independence before May 1992 as well, especially considering its independence referendum was already held in 1991. I would ask that we revert the map back to show FR Yugoslavia as only containing the territory of the successor state Serbia and Montenegro. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:15, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8: Regarding Bosnia, you're completely right and that's my oversight, I was using the list of countries that Bosnia established relations with instead, but I don't believe you're correct regarding FYR Macedonia. Whilst I can't find the exact data, North Macedonia had in the lead-up to the 1992 contest managed to establish diplomatic relations with 2 countries; Croatia and Slovenia. Bosnia in the lead-up to ESC 1992 had established relations with 6 countries — and it was at war. Furthermore, Macedonia only managed to get entry into the UN in 1993. Clearly there were issues with their recognition, and I'd agree with a dotted or even a full border with Yugoslavia if there is a source stating that Macedonia got recognition from a significant number of countries (or even just participating countries) until mid-1992 — IмSтevan ^talk 18:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that Bulgaria was the first to recognise Macedonian independence in early 1992. I will concede however that there was definitely a more difficult path to Macedonian independence, likely due to the naming dispute with Greece. I would support keeping FYR Macedonia as part of Yugoslavia for the 1992 map with a dotted line, similar to how Estonia and Latvia has dotted borders on the 1991 map (although I just noticed that these have been removed after the upload of the new map with added geographical features). Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because only Lithuania and Georgia had declared independence at the time of the 1991 contest, Lithuania had been recognized by 2 countries and Georgia declared independence 1 month prior to the contest; most of them had declared their sovereignity however — IмSтevan ^talk 19:25, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok that does make quite a bit of sense actually. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancies on new maps

There is currently a discrepancy on the new maps pre-1984 which currently shows the modern day Iraq–Jordan border. Between 1932 and 1984 this was a straight line, and was revised in 1984 to the modern day border. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are also some discrepancies related to the borders of West Bank and the Gaza Strip which were under largely unrecognised Jordanian and Egyptian annexation until 1967. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:29, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well yeah, there was no recognition of their occupations of (modern) Palestinian territories, so why would that be included on the map — IмSтevan ^talk 20:33, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair point. I'm comparing the new maps to the old ones just to check the borders are the same, but tbh there's no reason to believe the original maps are 100% correct either so I accept what you're saying. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just realising this discussion was already held on the WikiProject talk page earlier. That's basically what I was trying to state earlier, dotted lines between the ruling countries and what is now Palestine would be the most appropriate solution. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)s[reply]

So are we dotting occupations or not? because a large part of Ukraine should be dotted for the 2022 and 2023 contests then — IмSтevan ^talk 22:10, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is a valid point. I suppose the main differences here are that 1) it's an historical occupation, so it doesn't have the same level of emotional feeling attached to it, and 2) that while all of Ukraine was all nominally under the same government before 2022 (it wasn't in reality given Crimea and the pro-Russian control of the Donbas), Palestine was never its own sovereign nation. Looking at it from that perspective and trying to be consistent across all maps I would say we should leave it, particularly because I think if we were to start messing with the maps from 2022 onwards with regards to Ukraine that would really be opening up a massive can of worms that we as a club don't need. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point to you too. I feel like since the Green line (established in 1949) is Israel's internationally recognized border, and has been a defacto border since that same year, it should be a solid border on all our maps. As for the border between Gaza & UAR and Palestine & Jordan during their occupations of those territories, those should be dotted as they were controling the territories, but no other body, other than Israel and Palestine, claimed the land, and neither of them had wide international support in it — IмSтevan ^talk 09:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a bad way to approach it. I guess it boils down to whether we should go for an approach that respects internationally recognised borders or that is more accurate to the real-life border situation at the time. Given our maps are not meant to be used for any discussion on political situations at the time I would now tend to agree that approaching the map more from that legal, de jure POV would most likely work out better and would keep things simpler and more consistent. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify in case it was unclear, I would agree that the Green line should be used on our maps to show Israel's international borders from 1949, or in our case 1956, to the present day. With regards to Gaza and the West Bank, yes I would say that the best course of action would be to use dotted lines to show control by Egypt/Jordan but not international recognition. Following the Six-Day War and until 1994, potentially something like what was enacted for North Macedonia in 1992 is the best solution? That would show Israel's internationally recognised borders but also that there was no state with Palestinian control at that time. Similarly the same solution could be used for the Sinai peninsula, which was under Israel control between 1967 and 1982. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree regarding the six-day war, as Israel never had their occupation of Sinai/Palestinian territories recognized, that should remain as a firm border — IмSтevan ^talk 10:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is another valid point which I can live with. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With this agreement in mind just a quick reminder to update the 1993 map to reflect the Green Line Israeli borders when you get a chance. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8: I think I fixed everything regarding the 1956 map, and the best course of action would be to work our way through the years instead of jumping around — IмSтevan ^talk 10:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, and agree that working sequentially would be the best solution! My immediate thought would be, as was the case on the original maps, that Malta should not be enlarged on our maps until after it gained independence from the UK in 1964 (from the 1965 maps in our case), and before then should be treated like other small islands which have not gained independence or self rule on our maps. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I don't know how it got enlarged — IмSтevan ^talk 10:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another quick one, was doing a bit of digging to make sure our maps are as accurate as possible. The current border between Jordan and Saudi Arabia was only agreed in 1965, so our maps between 1956 and 1965 will need to be updated to reflect the previous border. You can check this out at Jordan–Saudi Arabia border. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not gonna be home till Sunday so it's gonna have to wait. You can try finding other updates from 1956 till today and list them — IмSтevan ^talk 14:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, there is really no rush on this at all so it's all good! I'll let you know if I find anything else. Thanks again. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a useful list of border changes — IмSтevan ^talk 14:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing me in that direction! Aside from the Israeli territorial changes and disputes which were never recognised internationally, and removing the Malta zoom before 1965, the Jordan-Saudi Arabia border change in Aug. 1965 would be the only required change big enough to be picked up on our maps at that scale. This is aside from any other tweaks needed to the map as you mentioned on the WikiProject talk page. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey! Thanks again for all your work on the new map templates! Just a heads' up that I made some corrections to the boxes surrounding the microstates, there were some shading issues as well as inconsistency with the border thickness that I cleaned up, so just be mindful if you're doing any further updates to the map to make sure that these changes aren't lost between versions. Thanks! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:16, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'll just download the updated ones to overwrite my own files — IмSтevan ^talk 10:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Just wanted to raise one more thing that I had noticed after looking at File:Blank map of Europe (with disputed regions).svg, what do you think we should do about Akrotiri and Dhekelia? They're not part of Cyprus in any legal sense, and they do end up being quite sizeable when you look at the map further up close, but I also wouldn't be thinking that they should be shaded with the UK given they're British Overseas Territories and not actually part of the UK, so perhaps it's easier to just ignore them and keep all of Cyprus as a single entity, especially since we're not splitting off Northern Cyprus? Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Cyprus is not recognized so it's not gonna be on the map. As for the British territories, everybody recognizes that the UK owns them, so I'll add them. Btw what was wrong with the frames for microstates before? I'm not seeing any difference — IмSтevan ^talk 17:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, makes sense to me. With the microstates, I had noticed the borders seemed a little off from each other, and I found out that there was a discrepancy in the border thickness for the Vatican and Malta callouts. Additionally with the Vatican callout there ended up being borders on both the black frame and the extra layer behind it to account for the Italian shading. This meant that there was essentially a thicker border there when compared to the other boxes. When I opened the new files as well I noticed that the fill shading for the Vatican and the fill and stroke shading for Malta had not been specified. This isn't a massive issue when viewing the file online, but when I opened it up with Inkscape the whole box except for the country outline appeared as black. To fix this I specified the colours of the fill and stroke on these to match the other boxes, so regardless of how you're viewing the maps it should be exactly the colour as specified. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay but... you removed the background from Malta, also allowing the "old" map of Malta to come through — IмSтevan ^talk 22:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't see the old outline of Malta though when I removed the background, it looked to me like it was hidden behind the current enlarged outline. Perhaps that was an oversight on my part, if so then my bad! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 23:20, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay but still even without that we need the background for it — IмSтevan ^talk 23:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does it though? The other frames don't have backgrounds, mainly because they have a second layer to account for the land surrounding the country outlines. With the Monaco frame as another example it also doesn't have a background fill specified for the portion of the frame which represents the shoreline and Mediterranean sea. When I opened the files originally there was no background on the Malta frame at all, I just made it consistent with the other frames by setting the background to null. I don't particularly care either way if a fill should be added here or not, I just felt if the rest of the map which is meant to represent the oceans and seas is set as blank background, which I believe can show up as white or any other colour depending on the settings used, that it might look weird for the Malta box to be specified as white. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that, but when coloring in countries on a map, you want that every country can always be easily distinguished. You can't guarantee that's the case if you don't consistently have a background of the same color. Other countries are big and have outlines so that's not an issue, but Malta... Also, Monaco does have a background fill for the Mediterranean — IмSтevan ^talk 13:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand your point as well, and of course it's preferable to make everything easily distinguishable. Like I was saying I was just trying to make everything consistent; before there was no background set at all for the Maltese frame, whether a specific colour or specifically set to have no fill, which could have been an issue, and I had seen that other frames had no background set because there was a second layer to cover the shading for the neighbouring countries. With regards to Monaco, I double checked what the situation is there, and that second layer which covers the French portion of the frame is a polygon that does not cover the sea; the sea in this case is just the absence of any shapes. That's why it made more sense to me to make the Maltese frame transparent, because the rest of the sea is set as transparent. If you think it's more helpful to set the Maltese frame as white, rather than transparent like the rest of the sea, then that's fine with me, I just don't believe it's actually necessary. But looking at these files there are already lots of unnecessary layers and objects which are hidden by other objects, and which are effectively redundant, so it's not like it's a perfect file either way. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 16:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay but you're just genuinely wrong about Monaco, there is a shape covering the sea portion — IмSтevan ^talk 16:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at it more closely I can see that there is an additional layer covering the sea portion of the frame which blocks out the Italian coastline there. Apologies for that oversight on my part. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you made some fixes with the Malta boxes, which look good! Just as an FYI I'm tapping out of modifying these files now, happy to leave this to you cause I think they're in really good shape and I don't want to wreck anything further! I noticed you uploaded a new version of File:Eurovision Junior Map 2020-2023.svg, which looks great, however this is missing the Wales cutout in the top-right corner. Also once you think these are in a final state please do let me know as I'm very happy to help with updating the yearly files to match the fixes made. Sims2aholic8 (talk)

You didn't wreck anything! I'm glad you pointed the frames of the microstates being inconsistent out. I can only think of Gibraltar now but it's too small to be shown on maps, and it's not even on the same level of sovereignity to be zoomed into, I'm fairly confident we got everything now. I just double checked, and what we have on our map and the List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe article matches — IмSтevan ^talk 01:41, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you! Yeah Gibraltar popped into my mind as well a while back, but you're right that it's too small to be shown on these maps and I also wouldn't be thinking about doing a zoom frame on it given its sovereignty. I don't think there are any other states that would require a zoom frame going forwards either; Gibraltar seems very unlikely to participate in future, and even if the Faroe Islands were to join the EBU and start competing I think that these islands are already big enough that a zoom box isn't needed. It's a good idea to check against that article of sovereign states and dependent territories as well, and I believe that as you said we do have everything covered now, which is great!

I'm happy to start updating the yearly maps whenever you think all the maps have been updated. Just let me know if you are still updating any templates and I can work around that. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly...? You probably recall the Faroe frame I added a while back but they're probably large enough to not require a framing zoom — IмSтevan ^talk 12:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I remember the frame you added a while back on the Faroes, and as I recall it was just a frame, it didn't actually enlarge the islands in any way. I mean cross that bridge when we get to it I suppose; they're twice the size of the other countries which have zooming, and although they're smaller than Luxembourg they're spread out over a wider geographical area. Being an island grouping it might make it difficult to spot without the added frame or zooming when the file size is reduced, but my instinct tells me it should be fine without any alterations. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 12:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say they don't need a frame until they join ESC since they're not an independent country, but if they do join then I'd give them a frame and a background just so they can easily be spotted as competing separately — IмSтevan ^talk 13:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! One more thought I had, it would be great to have the semi-final allocation colours on all the maps from 2008 onwards. Was trying to create some of the maps for 2023 and earlier and it is a struggle getting the right colour codes and copying it over between files without the legend. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 20:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why not just go to the 2024 file, copy the entire legend and paste it into the other file you're trying to edit? — IмSтevan ^talk 04:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kvalifikacija za Millstreet map

I was wondering if you might be able to help me out with creating a new map for the Kvalifikacija za Millstreet article. The current map which uses the same base template as all the other maps I feel is really not all that useful given the seven countries were all from eastern Europe, so there's a lot of blank space essentially with the western countries that had no relation to the contest. If we could crop the image so that it basically just covers the eastern part of the map, and therefore focussing particularly on the states that would have been eligible to participate, while keeping the same ratio as the other maps (34x27) I think it would look much better and add a lot more value to the article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, thoughts? — IмSтevan ^talk 00:04, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That looks really great, thanks for your help! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A goat for you!

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Do not make personal attack comment, and then immediately revert them. Do not make them in the first place. You have done here PicturePerfect666 (talk) 18:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do have to remind you that accusing others of personal attacks without proper evidence to back that up is a personal attack in itself — IмSтevan ^talk 18:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do have to remind you that what you did is a personal attack and I have provided you the diff as evidence. So off the high horse you step. There is nothing untrue i what I have said and warned you about. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 19:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was not a personal attack as I was commenting on the edits and their nature, and I'm not the only editor to be doing so as there appears to be an edit pattern at the moment. So off the high horse we take you off. — IмSтevan ^talk 19:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was. You ascribed motive and bad faith to the edits and then deleted it to try and hide it.

Stating "It puts their motive into question" is a personal attack and an assumption of bad faith so yeah I stand by the warnings and stand by calling those claims by you a personal attack and an assumption of bad faith. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 19:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't get how the rules of Wikipedia on civility work round here you cannot baselessly question (no matter what Original research you have created) the motives of a contributor. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you leave the attacks of me off of the Eurovision Song Contest talk page and keep them to yourself. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 19:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you stop vandalizing the talk page — IмSтevan ^talk 19:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lol if you consider this vandalism then you need a schooling in what vandalism actually. I am entitled to remove attack titles aimed at me. this is not a general forum to attack others. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 20:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have worked you out. You do not present any actual arguments based on any rules, policies or guidelines of Wikipedia. You do not care about them...you just present what you feel should be included. You couldn't care less if the content you are shoving has no basis. As long as you get your content rammed in and attack those pushing back and actually following what an encyclopedia is, You don't care about quality, you don't care about neutrality, you don't care about balance, you don't care about the content of arguments. The evidence is overwhelming. just see above in this discussion. Just see your litany of vacuous attacks on me. You are not here for the best interests of this encyclopedia. I have worked you out now and it was obvious from the start. Attack those who disagree with you on Israel, accuse them of all sorts of things, jump on bandwagons attacking them, and accuse them of censorship. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you — IмSтevan ^talk 17:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pot, kettle, black is all I say to your whinging. PicturePerfect666 (talk) 18:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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PicturePerfect666 (talk) 23:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like my information was correct.

After you, another person updated the month of RTK to applicate for EBU membership. Looks like I was correct after. Let's wait for June. Adir David (talk) 09:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one to update it soon after reverting your edit. At the time when you published your original edit, the information was considered unreliable and I explained why in the edit summary. Additionally, nowhere in the current source is it stated that RTK applied for EBU membership — IмSтevan ^talk 09:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The issue wasn't the "ESC Director" but that you renamed the role of "Executive Supervisor" to "Show Supervisor" based on a completely speculative and unreliable article that cited a job description PDF which in turn never made such claim. —Dimsar01 ^Talk ⌚→ 22:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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