User talk:Hut 8.5/Archive 17
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Note that if you want to retrospectively alter your signature, retarget a redirect or other trivial change I don't really care. Hut 8.5 21:11, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Ernesto Cortázar II
Hi – you deleted Ernesto Cortázar II back in April, but it's just been recreated, with minimal information and poor sourcing. I don't know if it's eligible for G4 speedy deletion, but would it be possible for you to take a look at it? Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 20:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
- No problem, thanks for having a look – I wasn't able to tell if this was a straight recreation or not, so I thought I'd ask. Richard3120 (talk) 21:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
personal biography page deletion
hi, can you tell me exact reasons why you deleted my draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockyrocks48 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Deletion of Draft: Shri Ram Murti Smarak College of Engineering and Technology, Unnao
Let me specifically know that why a draft of educational institution which is working since 2011 has been deleted. It has the reference with affiliating university and as much as possible from the institute website. Please specify
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anant 69 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Focus Investment Banking
Why did you delete this page? FrozenMan (talk) 19:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
- The page was based off of similar pages including Brown Brothers Harriman, Capstone Partners, Close Brothers Group, Cowen Group, Europa Partners, Marathon Capital, Piper Jaffray, Sagent Advisors, Vermilion Partners, and William Blair & Company. Please explain how any of these are different than the page you deleted? As well, can you please send me the contents of the Focus Investment Banking Wikipedia page, and if it's possible, could you indicate the language you felt was promotional?
FrozenMan (talk) 01:32, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Personal attacks
Hi Hut 8.5, Thanks for your help with the user indulging in personal attacks. Unfortunately, the editor is back here 185.88.175.218 (talk · contribs). Maybe semi-protecting the pages will prevent some of this. Rhere is already a request at RPP. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 08:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- And back here 176.126.30.156 (talk · contribs) again. Adamgerber80 (talk) 08:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
About South Front
Although you deleted the article on South Front, arguing that the website lacks notability, but from [1] and [2] I clearly know that South Front is notable, since the Oxford study which was summarized and published in Military.com mentions South Front non-trivially.--RekishiEJ (talk) 17:03, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well if you want to write another article about South Front which better demonstrates notability than the one which was deleted at AfD then there's nothing stopping you. If you'd rather improve the old version then I can restore it to a draft for you. The two sources you've cited there will not be enough to demonstrate notability however as they only give the subject one sentence. Hut 8.5 17:21, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
Thanks for saving me, especially about my talk page. How about deleting the revisions for the harassment attack? Anchorvale T@lk 08:59, 27 January 2018 (UTC) |
Undeletions
How are you managing to undelete ~3000 revisions at once without getting an error? I can't manage more than about 300 at a time. —Xezbeth (talk) 20:02, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Ved Prakash Malik
Hi Hut 8.5. You may have to go back to Ved Prakash Malik and do another revdel. Much all of the content added by 4dimensionmedia appears to have been copied-and-pasted from www
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Writewords44 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Draft Deletion Vote "Brian Cliette"
Hello Hut 8.5,
I see you recently voted to delete my wiki entry "Brian Cliette" for lack on nobility ,I think this was a mistake as he has over 7 media mentions and interviews in top online outlets ( entrepreneur.com, The Huffington Post, Business.com, Influencive.com..etc) you can see the following google news results for "Brian Cliette" in the link below https://www.google.com/search?biw=2560&bih=1366&tbm=nws&ei=oLN2WoTDHbDs5gLmvpSIBA&q=%22brian+cliette%22
Please advise.
Thanks for your time and consideration,
Carla
Revdel requested
Hi - I noticed your deletion of a copyvio revision at Bartolomeu Dias, by User:205.213.208.52, on the 1st of this month. The same user has done the same again [3]; I've left a warning on their user page. Btw, it's the first warning of any kind they've received, despite previous copyvios at the same article; I thought they genuinely might not know they'd committed an infringement. Thanks! Haploidavey (talk) 21:31, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
- And thanks for the note. Yes, none of it seemed to be gaming, or malicious. Haploidavey (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
2014 Tianjin Health Industry Park – Doubles
Hi, I was just wondering why this article was deleted. I know the article was previously discussed for deletion and eventually deleted but it makes no sense to delete the article when almost every other ATP Challenger Tour event has articles for both singles and doubles events. I don't understand why this particular tournament is being singled out when it meets the criteria of Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines#Notability. As well as the fact that there are more tournaments with lower prize money who have their articles still in place. It also makes no sense to delete the article based on the winner of the tournament. Also 90% of the players in the draw have their own player links too so it's not like an article was being created for "nobodies". I would discuss this in the deletion discussion but that is already closed. Keroks (talk) 04:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Nomination of BrowseAloud for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article BrowseAloud is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BrowseAloud (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. KTC (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Deleted My Page – Blinddate.com™
Today, I created my company page. I did not use any promotional content. I did not violate any guideline. The purpose of creating the page was not adverting of my company. I just posted relevant content about my company. I have seen many company pages on Wikipedia who mentioned information about their company. I did just like that. However, I noticed my page has been deleted by you. Here is content which I posted, Please see and let me know, what is promotional in it. “Blinddate.com™ started almost 2 decades back in 1998 as an online platform to facilitate people search, connect and share their lives. Respecting every ethnicities, race, interests, professions, religions and cultures, Blinddate.com™ has a rich and diverse community to choose from. Blinddate.com™ is a subscription based service that currently serves the USA & Sweden.” I have also included a reference link. If you can create page about “Blinddate.com™” form your side, Please do. Else, please revert my page again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Austinclive (talk • contribs) 18:03, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Cleanup of blacklisted links + proper Fellowship "disambiguation"
Hi - you flagged me yesterday for adding an External link to the Fellowship for Media Economics to the Media Economics and Journal of Media Economics page. We wanted to clarify that the Fellowship is unaffiliated with the Journal, and thought it pertinent to the topic page for Media Economics. I understand other additions for the Fellowship (Media Agency and such) were irrelevant.
Also, on the Media Planning page, I also cleaned up Blacklisted links (IDed at 08:18, 13 November 2017 Cyberbot II) on the Media Planning page until my edits were reverted. I then changed the Invisible = false to Invisible = true for the Blacklisted links warning on that page, but cannot "undo" this now that my changes were reverted.
May I re-add the external link to the Journal for Media Economics and Media Economics page?
External links
- The Journal of Media Economics
- The Fellowship for Media Economics - Summer fellowship open to undergraduates, graduate students, and professionals up to 3 years in the workforce, for critical exploration of Global Media Economics, or, how media and data is monetized in a global marketplace; unaffiliated with Journal for Media Economics.
Rockstar North
Thanks for blocking the IP vandal. Would you mind striking their edit summaries and edits that include personal attacks? Edit summaries are all on Rockstar North's backlog starting with their second edit (at 17:43), and content as in all their edits to their own talk page. Also, seeing their talk page behaviour, should they be blocked from editing their own talk page as well? Lordtobi (✉) 18:21, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Improvement of Outline of self is underway
Your comments on how to further improve it would be helpful.
I look forward to your feedback and/or direct participation on the outline. The more the merrier.
Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 10:44, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
SciTECO article
Could you please e-mail it to me as you implied on my talk page? I have enabled the feature. Thank you. --Deus omnipotens sum (talk) 20:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
About the Massacre of Brzostowica Mała
Are you saying that it is not verifiable whether the massacre occurred at all? It is discussed in several reliable, academic sources at in some depth (at least several paragraphs, through snippet view makes it difficult to be sure in some cases). A few sources - this is not a comprehensive list:
- Marek Jan Chodakiewicz: [4]: "On the night of 17/18 September 1939 r., urged on by the Communist Zak Motyl (Motek Zak?) of Brzostowica Wielka, a pro-Communist criminal gang led by Koziejko and Ajzyk (Icchak?), consisting of Belorussians and Jews, attacked the estate of Brzostowica Mała near Grodno and the nearby village Brzostowica Mała, where the administrative authorities were loca- ted. It appears that they slaughtered a large number of, if not all, the ethnic Poles in those localities. This massacre..."
- Polish historian pl:Krzysztof Jasiewicz in [5] (in Polish) called this "likely the best known massacre in the North-East Kresy" ("do bodajże najgłośniejszego mordu na Kresach Północno-Wschodnich doszło z 17 na 18 września 1939 r. w Brzostowicy Małej w pow. Grodno ")
- a brief mention of the massacre is [6]. pl:Dzieje Najnowsze is a peer reviewed journal by a reliable academic outlet (pl:Instytut Historii im. Tadeusza Manteuffla Polskiej Akademii Nauk) and the author is another reliable Polish historian pl:Mieczysław Bielski
- Institute of National Remembrance has spent ~5 years investigating this event. It has concluded ([7]) that there is insufficient evidence to identify the perpatrators, or most details conclusively, but has accepted the fact of the massacre with dozens victims as a fact.
- [8] on p.370. That said, the author (pl:Ryszard Szawłowski - KL is a pen-name) is called by pl wiki a amateur historian, nonetheless he is cited in a number of other sources, and the review of his book in what seems an academic outlet at [9] is positive.
- [10] - another brief mention, through this one is in a minor if seemingly peer reviewed Polish journal ([11] through this may be because it name has changed [12]). Couldn't find a bio of the author but she has published several books on history: [13]
There is no single source where the very fact that people died there is disputed (there is some controversy over whether attribution of perps by Chodakiewicz and some others was done correctly, this is the bone of contention). I'd think those would be sufficient to show notability of the this mass murder. This event has not resulted in much academic research, but I think the cited mentions are sufficient. Something discussed in several paragraphs in several academic sources clearly passes WP:N, IMHO. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:42, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
- How much coverage would you find sufficient? In the DR discussion I listed several other books that mention this topic, sadly, they all are visible through GB snippets and I cannot comment whether they discuss the subject at length or not. I may try to look into this more, but it may take considerable effort, and I don't want to find out after few hours that a book has 3/4 page coverage, but you then tell me 'sorry, anything less than one page is not good enough for me'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
- I am just replying to whatever arguments are presented. And it's not like anybody even commented on the procedural aspect of delete in case of 1 merge, 6 delete, 7 keep - as clear no consensus as day. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:06, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Haiyenslna
I saw your recent block of 27.68.20.150. It is Haiyenslna. — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, I'm sure the SPI will take care of it. I'll remember that if I see this guy again. Hut 8.5 09:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
An awfully stupid question
Hey, I know this is an awfully stupid question, but could you tell me how to (Or give me a link to a page which details how to) create a page other than your sandbox in your own userspace without putting it in mainspace? I saw you doing it earlier today and thought you might know how to. 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk 23:52, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Money emoji Place the full name of the page you want to create in the "Search Wikipedia box at the top of an wikipedia page, and click the search icon. You will be given a chance to create it. Or place a link to the desired page in your sand box or on any convienient page and preview, then follow the link -- no need to save. For example, suppose you wanted to make User:Money emoji/New Draft. You could follow the link from here. put any page name after User:Money emoji/ and it becomes the name of a page in userspace. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, but Hut already informed my on my talk page. Thank you for this.💵Money💵emoji💵Talk 21:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
World Diamond Council revdel
I was just about to remove the revdel tag on World Diamond Council because I could not confirm that there was a copyvio of the listed source. Were you able to confirm that? Please check. Please reply here and ping me or place a {{talkback}} on my user talk page, whichever is easier for you. Thanks. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- @DESiegel: yes I checked it and the text in [14] appears to be a copyvio - most of it was taken from [15]. Hut 8.5 21:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, Now I am seeing it, i guess I was just somehow looking at the wrong paragraphs or something. Anyway, thanks for doing the revdel and for reassuring me. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
User talk:27.68.20.150
You recently deleted a string of edits by the above, including on my talk page. (Thanks) It seems he's back with a different IP - User talk:27.75.249.89 here - similar message. Emeraude (talk) 10:07, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Admin's Barnstar | |
For revdelling the two MLB draft pages! And of course for all of the other great work you do. Cheers! ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 21:01, 9 April 2018 (UTC) |
Thanks
Thank you very much for indeffing those two Hurstmere School vandals. It's been crazy trying to see back through their "work" to a usable version. Massive help, thanks DBaK (talk) 21:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Deletion of Public Figure BIO
Dear Hut 8.5
I was trying to translate an Arabic wiki page (https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A3%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF_%D8%B5%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD_%D8%B1%D9%81%D9%82%D9%8A) to an english one (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Ahmed_Salah_Rifky) Unfortunately, his public bio was removed as Blatant copyright violations with this site (http://www.marketers-league.com/teams/dr-ahmed-salah-rifky) Meanwhile, Dr. Ahmed Salah Rifky has published his BIO for public such his personal page: https://www.facebook.com/Ahmed.Rifky/about?lst=537785091%3A537785091%3A1523567847§ion=bio https://about.me/AhmedSalahRIFKY https://eg.linkedin.com/in/ahmedrifky
I contacted the Marketers League to add a clear statement that this BIO is free to use for anyone. Or do I contact Dr. Ahmed to further actions such ask this site to remove his BIO or post a public post that he allows anyone to use his BIO.
I am seeking your kind reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonsleeper7 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
108.54.250.79
- 108.54.250.79 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
Could you revoke their talkpage access? Thanks. 153.206.128.214 (talk) 19:57, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Lumpy Da Comedian
Can you please help me restore this again, several new references are now online please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chubrockmusic (talk • contribs) 09:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Neyveli Airport
Hello, I wanted to write an article called Neyveli Airstrip but was asked to check with you first since you've deleted an article with the same name. This airstrip has now been upgraded under a Government scheme and will see scheduled services next month and is likely to pass WP:N..
Official report on the airport
Local news regarding upgrade of facilites at the airport
Please advise if I should simply write out a fresh article or you will 'Undelete' the previous one.
Many thanks, Trinidade (talk) 06:56, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! Trinidade (talk) 09:26, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Binesh Balan
Hi, you were involved in the speedy deletion of Binesh Balan in 2016, an article that was eventually create-protected. Could you spare the time to look at my comment at Talk:Binesh Balan Kolichal? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for emailing me the deleted article. I realize that you were only performing a routine administrative request. I have compared the deleted article with the draft article, and they do not differ materially, so that I will not be accepting the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:56, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much
The RfC discussion to eliminate portals was closed May 12, with the statement "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time." This was made possible because you and others came to the rescue. Thank you for speaking up.
By the way, the current issue of the Signpost features an article with interviews about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.
I'd also like to let you know that the Portals WikiProject is working hard to make sure your support of portals was not in vain. Toward that end, we have been working diligently to innovate portals, while building, updating, upgrading, and maintaining them. The project has grown to 80 members so far, and has become a beehive of activity.
Our two main goals at this time are to automate portals (in terms of refreshing, rotating, and selecting content), and to develop a one-page model in order to make obsolete and eliminate most of the 150,000 subpages from the portal namespace by migrating their functions to the portal base pages, using technologies such as selective transclusion. Please feel free to join in on any of the many threads of development at the WikiProject's talk page, or just stop by to see how we are doing. If you have any questions about portals or portal development, that is the best place to ask them.
If you would like to keep abreast of developments on portals, keep in mind that the project's members receive updates on their talk pages. The updates are also posted here, for your convenience.
Again, we can't thank you enough for your support of portals, and we hope to make you proud of your decision. Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 11:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
P.S.: if you reply to this message, please {{ping}} me. Thank you. -TT
Semi-protection request
Thanks for blocking the IPs 193.153.220.51 and 95.121.153.81. When you get the chabce, would you also kind semi-protecting List of songs recorded by Katy Perry (preferably for at least a month) if C.Fred hasn't done so already following this? Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Move protection on Template:NFLPrimaryColor
Hi. I saw that you had set the move protection level of Template:NFLPrimaryColor to require administrator priveledges. Would you be willing to downgrade it to require template editor? Thanks. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:19, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Not vandalism
Hi
Thank you for your message. Whilst it may not be vandalism it appear the user in question is sending abusive and nasty comments to an IP address, which constitutes abuse and goes against terms of use. I don't care if he is a moderator, nobody should be getting away with using swear words, bullying. I am happy to provide evidence if necessary.Gwrhst (talk) 21:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm PRehse. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Damned, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.
PRehse (talk) 22:03, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Good Wikipedia model article for the update to the IANPHI site
Hi. You responded to the attempt of a student working with IANPHI to update the Wikipedia page of the organization. He asked me to reach out to you on his behalf. Your main concerns seem to be about copyright issues, and the duplication of material that is on the IANPHI website. IANPHI is a membership organization of government health agencies (like US CDC and Public Health England) from around the world. Is there an example of a Wikipedia page that you think is done well, which captures key points about this kind of an organization without duplicating the website? I looked at APHA and ASTHO as possibles. I think once we have that, the student can move forward with making an up-to-date and more acceptable Wikipedia entry.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colestein (talk • contribs) 15:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
GDPR musings
"You are of course assuming that (a) your block log constitutes personal data" Huh? So you're saying it isn't? How could that possibly not be the case? This is associated with my account which in turn is associated with me as a person. "(b) the Foundation won't choose to interpret your request as a request for the erasure of an account" So you say the Foundation has a right to punish users because they want their rights taken seriously? "and (c) the Foundation is subject to GDPR." How could it possibly not be? "conceal their editing history" I don't see how the block log could possibly be part of my editing history. The block log contains admin decisions, not my own editing. --rtc (talk) 18:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)Please take your grievances to the right folks, as to GPDR or gain community consensus in a RFC permitting revision-deletion of block logs.(Though I'm unsure as to whether the community will allow one's block log to be erased on one's own whims, which your demand equated to....)
- And, unless you're taking either of the above steps, you ought to drop this because the sole outcome will be that you're blocked indefinitely either for getting increasingly closer to NLT territory or simply for being acutely tendentious and disruptive. ∯WBGconverse 18:34, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- I feel like a SWAT team is opposite to me pointing their rifles at me and yelling "calm down! calm down! we will the fuck shoot you if you don't calm down!" --rtc (talk) 18:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to write a long reply explaining what I was getting that in the AN post, but it isn't worth it as this whole thing is just disruptive. I suspect if you actually file a GDPR "right to be forgotten" request with the WMF, and if the WMF is legally required to comply, then you'd just end up with something similar to WP:RTV. There isn't any reason why they'd have to erase your block log. And I strongly suspect you would end up blocked from Wikipedia for disruptive behaviour. From your response above I'm not sure you have any idea what GDPR involves. You don't have any legal right whatsoever to edit this site. Hut 8.5 18:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- I do not? So I am in breach of the law if I edit wikipedia? Or do you mean I have the legal right but it can be taken from me at any time, for any reason, even for exercising basic privacy law rights? --rtc (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- No, you aren't violating the law if you edit Wikipedia, but you don't have any "legal right" to do so, and yes it can be taken away from you at any time and for any reason by the WMF, or anybody the WMF delegates that authority to. This includes exercising legal rights. For example people have the right to take legal action relating to disputes on Wikipedia, but that won't stop their account being blocked for it. Hut 8.5 19:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- If I don't have the legal right, I am violating the law. I don't see how there could be any third possibility, do you? You say "This includes exercising legal rights" but then name WP:NLT as an example, which is about making legal threats, not about exercising legal rights. --rtc (talk) 19:38, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- The third option is pretty obvious: the law says absolutely nothing about whether you can or can't edit Wikipedia. The people who control Wikipedia (the WMF) can decide to let you edit it or not edit it as they choose. You don't have a legal right to edit Wikipedia but you aren't violating the law if you do. I believe you do have the legal right to sue people and WP:NLT relates to that. Hut 8.5 20:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- "the law says absolutely nothing about whether you can or can't edit Wikipedia" It does not? No mention of anything about unauthorized use of property, in particular computers you don't own? Then why do the terms of use even need to talk about "rights and responsibilities that guide us both"? WP:NLT relates to threatening on wikipedia to sue, not to actually sueing someone. --rtc (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- OK, let's put it this way: if you can point to a law which says you have a legal right to Wikipedia, then I'll take your claim that you have such a right seriously. Until then don't waste my time. Hut 8.5 20:43, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Private law says (with some exceptions): if and only if you have a contract with someone who gives you the legal right to use a server, which is private property afte rall, you actuall may use it. The Terms of use, which are the basis for the legal relationship between the foundation and the user, are the conditions of that contract. The contract is established by using wikipedia, even though the user has not signed it. Nothing but this contract gives the user the right to use the site. The summary is very explicit about this (not a legal document but explaining it's essence in layman's terms): "You are free to: ... Contribute To and Edit our various sites or Projects". So this is that legal right. the terms also say "We reserve the right to suspend or end the services at any time, with or without cause, and with or without notice" but making use of this because the user exercised his privacy law rights would very clearly be a textbook example of abuse of rights --rtc (talk) 20:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- As you've noted the terms of use give the WMF the right to withdraw services at any time for any reason. If you think you're exempt from that then good luck to you. And now if you'll excuse me I'm going to do something more useful. I suggest you do the same. Hut 8.5 21:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- No, I don't think anyone is exempt from that, but I mentioned the doctrine of abuse of rights. However, let me stress an important fact: That principle is not known in common law such as the US. But I am sure there are equivalent rules for this very fundamental case of a user exercising his legal rights. Have a nice day. --rtc (talk) 21:09, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- As you've noted the terms of use give the WMF the right to withdraw services at any time for any reason. If you think you're exempt from that then good luck to you. And now if you'll excuse me I'm going to do something more useful. I suggest you do the same. Hut 8.5 21:06, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Private law says (with some exceptions): if and only if you have a contract with someone who gives you the legal right to use a server, which is private property afte rall, you actuall may use it. The Terms of use, which are the basis for the legal relationship between the foundation and the user, are the conditions of that contract. The contract is established by using wikipedia, even though the user has not signed it. Nothing but this contract gives the user the right to use the site. The summary is very explicit about this (not a legal document but explaining it's essence in layman's terms): "You are free to: ... Contribute To and Edit our various sites or Projects". So this is that legal right. the terms also say "We reserve the right to suspend or end the services at any time, with or without cause, and with or without notice" but making use of this because the user exercised his privacy law rights would very clearly be a textbook example of abuse of rights --rtc (talk) 20:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- OK, let's put it this way: if you can point to a law which says you have a legal right to Wikipedia, then I'll take your claim that you have such a right seriously. Until then don't waste my time. Hut 8.5 20:43, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- "the law says absolutely nothing about whether you can or can't edit Wikipedia" It does not? No mention of anything about unauthorized use of property, in particular computers you don't own? Then why do the terms of use even need to talk about "rights and responsibilities that guide us both"? WP:NLT relates to threatening on wikipedia to sue, not to actually sueing someone. --rtc (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- The third option is pretty obvious: the law says absolutely nothing about whether you can or can't edit Wikipedia. The people who control Wikipedia (the WMF) can decide to let you edit it or not edit it as they choose. You don't have a legal right to edit Wikipedia but you aren't violating the law if you do. I believe you do have the legal right to sue people and WP:NLT relates to that. Hut 8.5 20:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- If I don't have the legal right, I am violating the law. I don't see how there could be any third possibility, do you? You say "This includes exercising legal rights" but then name WP:NLT as an example, which is about making legal threats, not about exercising legal rights. --rtc (talk) 19:38, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- No, you aren't violating the law if you edit Wikipedia, but you don't have any "legal right" to do so, and yes it can be taken away from you at any time and for any reason by the WMF, or anybody the WMF delegates that authority to. This includes exercising legal rights. For example people have the right to take legal action relating to disputes on Wikipedia, but that won't stop their account being blocked for it. Hut 8.5 19:20, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- I do not? So I am in breach of the law if I edit wikipedia? Or do you mean I have the legal right but it can be taken from me at any time, for any reason, even for exercising basic privacy law rights? --rtc (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to write a long reply explaining what I was getting that in the AN post, but it isn't worth it as this whole thing is just disruptive. I suspect if you actually file a GDPR "right to be forgotten" request with the WMF, and if the WMF is legally required to comply, then you'd just end up with something similar to WP:RTV. There isn't any reason why they'd have to erase your block log. And I strongly suspect you would end up blocked from Wikipedia for disruptive behaviour. From your response above I'm not sure you have any idea what GDPR involves. You don't have any legal right whatsoever to edit this site. Hut 8.5 18:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- I feel like a SWAT team is opposite to me pointing their rifles at me and yelling "calm down! calm down! we will the fuck shoot you if you don't calm down!" --rtc (talk) 18:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC)