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Supernatural implications

Is there some, um, conclusion to be drawn from the fact that that your edit count at WP:3O has been stuck at 666 since May 25? Do we need to call in an exorcist? Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 16:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Banned user Jackjit again editing using his revolving 118 IP

Jackjit's back! The banned user Jackjit is again vandalizing Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld article again (and others) using his revolving 118 IP. He is again making the same edits he tried to make over a month ago when he was blocked. Please, can we put a stop to this quicker than last time? (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jackjit) --RedEyedCajun (talk) 11:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

In the most recent additions to the case, both incidents were handled in under 24h. Is that not fast enough for you? Going forward, list the IP at the case and we'll handle it. In the meantime, I've blocked that IP for a few days. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 12:33, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I was referring to his editing for months at Red Eye article, using sockpuppets, IPs, etc, until Gadfium (talk) spotted him using his revolving/dynamic 118 IP and editors were alerted to his past as Jackjit. But it still took weeks before he was successfully blocked, and frankly I strongly suspect he is using another fixed IP editing there still to this day. Thanks for the help. I do appreciate how hard it is to stop this stuff. --RedEyedCajun (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Tasc0

Yeah, I know it sounds far fetched but my gut feeling (Baseball Bugs and I, we seemed to have that ability to sniff out socks for some strange reason) is telling me that he is indeed using that IP to return here, taking very great care to avoid his old topic. I acknowledge that there has been a boatload of similar IP behaviours but this guy is really cunning, there's subtlety in his edit which I can't pinpoint but the similar way of nick-picking at words and with concise edit summaries both produces. Without provocations, he won't react and I merely just pointed out to him about something in his word of choice and he blew his top, something not missed by me when I went through his edit and noted in his BAN endorsement. The lapse between now and 2008 might not produce anything concrete but the similar pattern of outburst is something worth watching out for. Also, it took Σ to provide that critical link which I lacked until yesterday that I was finally able to connected the dots. That said, what is your advice/thought on this and if so, what other course of action should I undertake? Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

There was one case three years ago where another account was found to be unrelated. Since then there hasn't been any codified reports that I can find. I'm sure if I searched through the logs, I could find you a dozen similar threats made by various people. I'm sorry, but the current evidence does not support the conclusion that this IP is the same guy from three years ago - so blocking with that justification seems wrong. Now having said that, the IP is being abusive, so we could block for that. But they were warned by 28bytes a few days ago and haven't really said anything worth blocking for, so I'm a little hesitant. Let me know if they return to their abusive ways, though, and we'll figure something out. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and noted. Should I give the IP a wide berth? To be clear, is templating the IP talk page with an ISP template wrong? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

It's not wrong, but that's usually done when we have a long history of that IP being abusive. That isn't the case here. I'd say leave it off for now. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Okie dokie. Thanks again. Cheers! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:38, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

The IP is edit warring on the article again this morning --Snowded ^TALK 08:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

User:Cyperuspapyrus

Since you were the blocking admin for Cyperuspapyrus, can you have a look at this edit, the bit about "I personally don't understand why there's always a proposal for deletion in pages concerning kickboxing organizations" seems fishy given his past contributions. Mtking ^(edits) 11:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hi, would like to ask for advice. If a user with limited history of contributions participates in discussion like a pro, is there any way to check for sock-puppetry? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 17:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I mean.. yeah, we can check to see if they're a sockpuppet, but usually we like there to be some sort of evidence and guess as to who the master is. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, could you please have a look at this user. The account was launched on July 14 and the first comment they made in the talkpage was this one. This is one other of their edits. I don't think that a newcomer could start with this level of knowledge of WP.

The articles they edited have commonness with NovaSkola (see this, but I really cannot think of motive, so it would probably be very tendencious to suspect the later. What is the right action now? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 03:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a hard one. It could also be an IP that edited before and has just registered an account. No one account there really sticks out to me. If you're 100% sure that it's a sock then you can list it at SPI, but I'm not sure on this one.. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. WP:SPI seems to require mentioning the "SOCKMASTER". Is there a way to list it at SPI without mentioning a master candidate? -- Ashot  ^(talk) 05:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

No - hence why I said if you want to list the account, you should probably figure out who the master is. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 11:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

a word of appreciation

	for endless outstanding work as an SPI clerk
	ever since I can remember reporting or reading about sockpuppets, you've been calmly and efficiently dealing with them. I therefore take great pleasure in awarding you the sockpuppet-confuzzling barnstar. Keep up the great work! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea if you do barnstar-type things, and I realise your userpage doesn't accommodate them, but I thought it should be said. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I do actually have a page for them and I link to it from my user page, but it's not wholly obvious. Still, I do appreciate the vote of confidence. Thanks again! — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Zuggernaut

I apologise for wasting your time regarding the above investigation. There is something odd going on but clearly it is not socking. - Sitush (talk) 08:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Van Tuong Nguyen

You protected this page claiming "persistent sockpuppetry". There is no such thing. You should not give dishonest justifications when in fact you seem to be protecting it to give the upper hand to one side in a content dispute. 2.220.204.70 (talk) 22:29, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious as to what evidence you apparently believe there is of any sockpuppetry related to edits to this article, much less "persistent sockpuppetry". Please explain your protection on the talk page. Talk:Van Tuong Nguyen. Thanks, --Born2cycle (talk) 19:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Failing to explain your actions is extremely poor form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.5.27.93 (talk) 18:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Added new SPI but old one not archived

In this SPI, I have filed a new case, but the preceding one hasn't been archived. Just wondering if something was wrong.Jasper Deng (talk) 02:19, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Nope, you didn't do anything wrong - a clerk just hasn't gotten around to archiving the case. On more active cases this sort of thing happens regularly. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Oh, and if you don't mind, would you please block the sockmaster?Jasper Deng (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

I was just getting to that. See the case. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:33, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I wonder what Wikipedia would do without you.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, HelloAnnyong. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Amynan.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

℥^nding·start 04:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WCGSOldBoy

FYI: I've also left a note about the most recent socks at User talk:Tnxman307, who is already familiar with the user and was the one to investigate the original report (now in the archive). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 05:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed community ban

See WP:Administrators' noticeboard#Proposed community ban of User:WCGSOldBoy. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 05:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Advertising?

I fail to see how anything I added is a "soapbox" or advertising in anyway. The Maryland Renaissance Festival is a business. As a business, they set prices for their product. To say what the rate of a product is is only statistical information, nothing more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.103.46 (talk) 15:44, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Adding ticket prices is advertising! Wikipedia isn't a flyer or anything. If you want to advertise ticket prices, put them on the MDRF website or somewhere else. Wikipedia is supposed to be encyclopedic. Encyclopedias don't list ticket prices. Read WP:NOTADVERTISING. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 16:32, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Spartanmastah

The reason I added the IP was that Whois reported it a static IP. If there's a relation between this IP and the blocked users, blocking the IP may prevent further vandalism. I assume the vandal will be back within the next 24 hours as Spartanmastah3 or TheGreatness4. --Denniss (talk) 01:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, and if it does we'll take care of it then. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

As predicted, we have a User:TheGreatness4 now. The only contribution so far was the removal of the IP-user location determined via Whois. --Denniss (talk) 02:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Now he's back as User:TheGreatness5 --Denniss (talk) 18:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jww047

Hi HelloAnnyong,

Will I be stepping on your toes if I block Jww047 for 29 days, to match the 1 month block on his two IP's? I'm familiar with the Jww047 situation, and have brought myself up to speed on the latest ANI and SPI. He's disruptive and is, it seems, immune to requests, advice, and warnings. He edit wars interchangeably with his account and his IP's, often to add BLP violations to an article. His IP's are both blocked for a month for behavior that he is now continuing with his account.

I note that you declined to block the account in the SPI, so I'll hold off until I hear from you in case I'm missing something that you see. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Based on recent contribs in the last hour, I've gone ahead and made the block, and commented on the SPI. Let me know if you have any concerns/etc. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine. Thanks for taking care of that case. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HaTikwa

I've added an additional sock here. Since the investigation was closed, I'm not sure if I was supposed to do that or open another case. Please advise. Thanks. ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 00:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

What you did was fine. That account hasn't edited in awhile, though, so we can store it away for now, and relist if it becomes active again. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 00:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Confirmed sock needs block and tag

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wliiam·Shakespeare. The sock in question is NapoleoneBonaparte (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).Jasper Deng (talk) 01:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I was just getting to that case. I do look at the cases on a daily basis, you know.. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Correction

I misspelled Fatima when I meant user Fantimiya. I have left an apology for Fatima, reverted myself there, and corrected the name on the Sockpuppetry page. Edward321 (talk) 02:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

You have misspelled it again. It is Fatimiya. This accusation of sock-puttery has no basis. However, as I have made a report, I believe Edward321 and Jeff3000 are indeed sock-puppets --Fatimiya (talk) 09:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I have listed three more suspected sockpuppets. SecretChiefs3 is stale, but listed because I believe this is SecretChiefs3 editing around an indefinite block for themselves and their dozen previous sock accounts. Edward321 (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Edward321 & Jeff3000

Please see http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Edward321 & http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jeff3000. The notes for the 1st apply to the second --Fatimiya (talk) 09:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Jackit/ revolving 118 IP now shopping around for others to do his edits

He's shopping around for help to make his edits (and is succeeding), just as his LONG history shows he has done many times in his past when he can't get his way on an article. Please look at his unfair mischief here: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Red_Eye_w.2F_Greg_Gutfeld

This is totally discouraging to me as I have done my very best to follow all wiki policy to improve this place called Wiki. If this shopping around for others by so-called banned/blocked user is allowed to stand, then the Wiki community can count me out as an editor and it really saddens me to say that because for the most part, I have really enjoyed being here and learning/helping to create a better Wiki for all. But I won't be lied about by the likes of a Jackjit and others he recruits (with notorious edit histories) to do his bidding. Can't something real be done to block this guy or is Wiki a hopeless case when it comes to fairness? --RedEyedCajun (talk) 10:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

You can try to build consensus for a community ban, but from a technological standpoint, there's little that can be done. If it's just the same IP, then we can block it for longer, but if there are other IPs being used then all we can do is block and move on. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Questions

These are in fact only questions not complaints, so don't worry. This Sockpuppet investigations (once I was incorrectly included in a list for someone elses sockpuppet IDs) was my first at reporting, so I have some simple questions for you, just to understand the process and it's meaning, since it was closed so much faster then I imagined.

• 1. Was this the incorrect place for this issue. I notice you say that "This isn't a fast enough edit war to really do much about it". You are correct that this is not a fast edit war, but this is an edit war going on since December 2010, and a lot of the other editors are really tired of Nottoohappy blatantly vandalizing the page. I had hoped that a block of Nottoohappy could more forward once he edit the page. This was my modivation for opening the investigation, so that we can show he did it again. This leads me to my next question.
• 2. Whould it be better to move this to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (which was done before), or would that be inapproprate?
• 3. Dose this show that they are Sockpuppets, meaning I can refer to the investigation as evidence that Nottoohappy has again vandalized the page?
• 4. Dose blocking the IP address block Nottoohappy also (Assuming that they are in fact sockpuppets)?

Thanks for helping out a Newbe when I comes to this kind of stuff--ARTEST4ECHO (^talk/_contribs) 02:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

1. This was the correct place for the issue. We've got an editor who's been hopping IPs a whole lot, so it's good to have a record of that. The reason I didn't block Nottoohappy is because they haven't edited in roughly three weeks and they clearly prefer using IPs - so what good would a block do? If it becomes active again, then we can consider it.
2. I don't think this is fast enough to take to ANI. The last thing they need over there is another thread...
3. It seems likely that the account and the IPs are the same, but it isn't (and won't be) confirmed.
4. No, blocking the IP doesn't block the account as well. The converse would be true, however.

Basically going forward, relist the IPs as they show up and we'll block them if we deem it necessary. If it picks up a bit then we can also look at long-term protection of the article. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply and the good info. I now understand it a bit more. However, what dose "relist the IPs" mean?

So now my plan of action is to open an ANI if Nottoohappy posts as Nottoohappy since that process is father along. If he posts as an IP address again, I will "relist the IPs", once I understand what that means. If that isn't the way it should be done, please let me know. I would hate to be accused of something inapprprate.--ARTEST4ECHO (^talk/_contribs) 02:42, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

One more question I just thought of. I highly suppect Nottoohappy to be a WP:SPA, concidering that he almost exclusivly edits the artical in question. However, after reading SPA, I'm not sure what, if anything I should have said or should do about it. Since "Checkuser" isn't a "First line" (understandably so), what can a "non-admin" do to see if the IP address has other Sockpuppetsm besides Nottoohappy.--ARTEST4ECHO (^talk/_contribs) 02:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

By relisting, I mean submit a new version of the case (same process as you did the first time) with the new IPs and evidence. It's your choice to drag this in front of ANI, but I think we can handle it at SPI. It's your call, though. As to being an SPA, that's not a blockable offense. You can mention it (and maybe use it as evidence in the future) but unless they're being particularly abusive, it's not a first-rate offense.

Even checkuser can't draw connections between IPs. An IP is the lowest level we have available to us. If a person is using multiple IPs, we determine a connection based on behavior, not technical evidence. So there isn't really much a regular user or an admin (or checkuser) can do there. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I am a bit confused those. Isn't creating a SPA a form of Sockpuppty. After all it is mention at WP:BRIEFLY on the Wikipedia:Signs of sock puppetry page.--ARTEST4ECHO (^talk/_contribs) 04:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily; you could have a brand new editor who only edits on a single article or single focus, and they would be considered an SPA. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 11:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thankk for helping a Sockpuppet Newbe --ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 06:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Heh, thanks! If you have any questions, feel free to ask. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

CU

Hi, please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Uwo222#Clerk.2C_CheckUser.2C_and.2For_patrolling_admin_comments for my detailed response. Please let me know if you need more.Kurdo777 (talk) 06:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Relisting a SPI case

Sorry to bother you about this. In Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BrendanFrye, you commented that I should relist when new things happen. How do I do that or where can I check the procedure to do that? Because another IP with a similar range made some similar reverts as its first contributions. At least this one did something other than reverting, but it does appear to be the same user. Jfgslo (talk) 00:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I've taken care of this for you; see the SPI case page for more. But to relist, you'd go to WP:SPI, put BrendanFrye in the box in the page as you did before, and then follow the directions. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:24, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I will follow your instructions if it happens again. Jfgslo (talk) 02:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Hetoum

Hi, could you have a look at Hetoum's recent case? Thanks in advance.--Ehud (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Long-term sockpuppetry violates Internet Service Providers' "Terms of Service"

I have been around here long enough now to see the countless hours put into chasing sockpuppets and their dynamic IP addresses. As you all know, Internet Service Providers have strict "Terms of Use/Service" agreements with their customers. In these TOS agreements, it clearly states that if the customer uses the ISP services to damage or destroy websites, or for other harassing type of behavior on the Internet, then that service will be terminated. So, after years of chasing some of these "banned users" here on Wikipedia, I think a good case could be presented to an Internet Service Provider that one of their customers is doing great damage harassing the Wikipedia project and wasting the resources of Wikipedia. All you would have to show is a history of damage/harassment done by the sockpuppet/dynamic IP and the exact times the IP made those edits identified as vandalism, then the ISP could trace it back to a particular customer and terminate their service. Obviously this would only be used in extreme cases which have gone on for many months or years. I'm certain someone at Wiki must have thought of this before, so what is the problem with implementing this as policy on Wiki? --RedEyedCajun (talk) 07:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Abuse response is what you're looking for, but experience seems to suggest that the vast majority of ISPs are almost completely uninterested in dealing with such reports. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

"almost completely uninterested" - Well that's depressing. Maybe it would only take one really good legal case against one of the major ISPs to make them become completely interested; otherwise, these ISPs are just willing accomplices looking the other way while havoc rules. Thanks for the wiki link. --RedEyedCajun (talk) 12:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Just as Demiurge said. Honestly it's a pain in the ass to go crying to the ISP; it's really only done in the most extreme cases - and even then it doesn't seem to do much good. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:22, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Since I have been editing on Wiki for about three months, I have learned so much about what goes on behind the curtain of Wiki. I always would click on the Wiki links when doing Google searches, but I had no idea what went on behind that curtain. I now appreciate much better the hard work and frustration that goes into creating this place called Wiki. Sadly, I also now know about Wiki's many short-comings. "Wide open, his eyes now are," Yoda. --RedEyedCajun (talk) 04:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

AmieRoseLong

Hi HelloAnnyong - just requesting a bit of input on User:AmieRoseLong. I've put their unblock on-hold. I feel inclined to decline this request but considering that there was slim (if convincing) evidence of sockery I'd like to run their unblock request this by your eyes before declining (in case it sheds more light on the case for you in either way)--Cailil ^talk 15:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

The CU came back as "very likely". Also consider their purpose - editing Knight Communications articles. AmieRoseLong created the Knight articles and the other account has been editing them, and those are the only articles they've worked on. Their first edit here was this - a page with two ref tags that use the {{cite web}} template. That doesn't really strike me as a brand new editor. I'd think this one pretty likely overall. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 17:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Grand thanks for spelling it all out--Cailil ^talk 18:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Question about Keanubreeze sock/meat

Hi HelloAnnyong. I'm writing to follow-up on your comment made here [1] about Keanubreeze and Theonlinewriting1. You mentioned that they do not have article overlap. But an edit made by each editor on an additional topic (a disease) on two different articles seem to further suggestion a strong overlap in editing patterns: [2] [3]. These would not turn up on the automated report, but please do take a look at the diffs. Wouldn't that double overlap suggest WP:DUCK? ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 00:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

It's a grey area, I think. They could be the same, or they could just be two people who work together or something like that. In the previous case it was confirmed that they were the same, but this one came back as slightly murky. I mean, if their behavior continues I suppose we can reevaluate, but I just have my doubts on this. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying your view of it. I'll continue to watch and see how it develops and raise it again if need be. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 02:04, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: SPI

Thanks for attending to the case so quickly. Your closing opinion on the matter is much appreciated. Will do. Viriditas (talk) 03:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

?oygul/Sydney Bluegum SPI

Sydney bluegum was topic banned as a SPA that was here just for advocating, the small number of other pages both he and ?oygul have edited means there will not be many hits on pages they both edit, as both editors only really edit one page. They are in the same city, but if they have dynamic IPs, that would be what you would expect to see. I am not trying to start a which hunt here, but in this case what is the best thing to do? Just wait and see if ?oyogul builds more of an editing pattern? At what point would there be grounds for further action? Colincbn (talk) 02:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Well first, Sydney Bluegum hasn't edited in a few weeks, so there isn't much abuse of accounts per se. But yeah, I'd like to see more evidence - enough to put this beyond a shadow of a doubt, anyway. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Since Sydey Bluegum is topic banned by ArbCom from the article any use of a separate account to get around that ban is an abuse of accounts. The first SPI showed they log in from the same city, a work computer or a dynamic IP could easily explain that. Now that both ?oygul and SB have posted more is there a way to look into this further? I just have a hard time believing that immediately after an SPA was banned for advocacy another SPA with the exact same advocacy would just happen to pop up. Colincbn (talk) 01:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

?oyogul has stepped directly into the shoes of Sydney. Is there any way to bring this sockpuppet investigation to a higher level? I think this is a clear case of someone using a sock to get around an ArbCom ban. Remember that because they are both SPAs there will only be one or two pages that connect them. Colincbn (talk) 11:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Not sure how to handle this

This SPI is about to archive, but there's a new report there. Is there a tag I need to change/remove? - SummerPhD (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Nope, you're good - we'll handle it. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 22:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! - SummerPhD (talk) 01:35, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/The.aviation.expert

You may not have noticed the autoblock un-block request on The.aviation.expert, can you reconsider the CU on this account as The.aviation.expert has admitted he is a returning user, and think a check is in order to see if he is avoiding community sanctions. Mtking ^(edits) 06:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks like he might be, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jacobga. Mtking ^(edits) 08:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI & Zappyzac

I'm not familiar with how SPIs work, but I have User talk:Zappyzac on my wathchlist so when they said [4] I figured I should pass it on to somebody. I looked up the SPI at [5] to figure out what was going on and saw that you'd said "Neither account has edited in the past month, so I don't think we need the full workup for a one-off like that. (Based on edits I'm not even really convinced they're the same.) Relist if this case becomes active, or start a new case if the other master/sock does more." So I think this means you'd want to know about Zappyzac's recent edit? Cloveapple (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, but until they actually act on it, it's just an idle threat. Monitor the situation and report it as necessary. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Threat?? I don't understand. If Zappyzac was supposed to be blocked as a sock and already got his or her day in court, I've no questions and no issues. I contacted you because this log says that Zappyzac was blocked because of the SPI. Yet if I understand the SPI right the comments at the bottom of the SPI page say there's not enough evidence to block? ("Likely but not blocked as behavioral doesn't seem to match at a glance" and "Neither account has edited in the past month, so I don't think we need the full workup for a one-off like that.") I took your comment of "Neither account has edited in the past month..." and "Relist if this case becomes active..." to mean somebody should be told if one of the two accounts edited again? It seems I have misunderstood.

It's possible that Zappyzac is a sock and I'm being naive, but I'd like to assume good faith until I understand what happened. So I came here to try to get some clarity. Feel free to direct me elsewhere if you're the wrong person to ask. Cloveapple (talk) 03:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Everything's been sorted out. Sorry to have bothered you. Cloveapple (talk) 04:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI/2005

Your decision to label the suspected socks as sockpuppets solely based on them all making the same undo was questionable at best, and ultimately not supported by the technical evidence. I've noted this at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit_Warring_w.2F_Sockpuppets; this is a courtesy note advising you of the same. –xeno^talk 04:00, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

My talk page

Please make a followup comment on my talk page[6] regarding your suspicions. Are those edits mine or not? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luísarfs (talk • contribs) 08:03, August 7, 2011

Uh what? That was like two months ago; it's over now. Though it is mildly curious that you just noticed it... — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

"It's over" like in "no, you where not to one making those edits"? If this is not the case and you still feel like i was the one making those edits, feel free to open a sockpuppet investigation. In the meantime, try not to cast suspicions over other users without any sort of proof. That's just bad admin work imo. Thanks Luísarfs (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the quick action with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nokhaiz Kaunpal, this is really getting too much of my time, when it is so very WP:DUCK. I'm sure I'll get my personal attack again, but nevermind that. I'm pretty sure his "articles" will not survive PROD, but should anything be done with Iblees Ki Majlis-e-Shura? --Muhandes (talk) 14:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

It's at AFD, so let that run its course. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:46, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Xebulon

Dear administrator. Because you are aware of sockpuppeting tricks of users involved in this report [7], can you please look at suspicions and evidence? Dighapet (talk) 14:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Sock IP may require a longer block

This is a follow-on to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lloydbaltazar/Archive.

• Lloydbaltazar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• 98.148.213.201 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

You had previously blocked this IP for three days as part of the closure of this case. The master account, Lloydbaltazar, was blocked 48 hours for edit warring by Satori Son on August 2 per an ANI complaint. Now both Lloyd and this sock have vigorously returned to editing. One article involved is Our Lady of Perpetual Help (history) where both have edited. Since Lloyd's edits are often contentious and he could be heading toward a longer block, I don't see why he should edit disputed articles with both his account and an IP. My long spiel here is to propose a block of the IP of at least a month. I wanted to run it past another admin to check my reasoning, though. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Disruption by sockpuppets

Hello. A.B.C.Hawkes (talk · contribs) has just trolled on WP:AE. I have reverted these edits and informed Elen of the Roads, as she is aware of the wikistalking by A.K.Nole. This concerns this SPI report:

• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Echigo mole

I already made this request of Elen of the Roads, but, if she has not already done so, could you please now the three sockpuppets (Echigo mole, Old Crobuzon and A.B.C.hawkes)?

Thanks in advance, Mathsci (talk) 21:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Disruption by sockmaster

Hi HelloAnnyong. I'm not sure if you recall, but about a week or so ago you blocked two accounts for sockpuppet abuse (User:أبو الحارث بن قيس عيلان & User:Antime); c.f. [8]. Both were confirmed via Checkuser. You rather generously left the sockmaster account, one User:Prince jasim ali, unblocked with the explanation that it seemed as though the editor had perhaps switched to a new username. However, as I showed in the sock case, the editor never actually stopped using his old Antime account nor did he ever indicate that he had switched over to the new Prince jasim ali one. Instead, he created yet another sock account, which he used simultaneously as the main account, typically hopping back and forth between them within minutes of each other. In other words, he was pretending to be several people at once/abusing the accounts and over the same general range of articles. This is in breach of WP:ILLEGIT, which indicates that "editors may not use more than one account to contribute to the same page or discussion in a way to suggest that they are multiple people". Wikipedia:Clean start also indicates that "a clean start is when a user sets aside an old account in order to start fresh with a new account, where the old account is clearly discontinued and the new account is not merely continuing the same kinds of behaviors and activities", and that actual "clean start accounts should not return to the same topic areas or editing patterns if there is a strong desire to separate from the initial account." However, as can clearly be seen in the sock case, the user went right back to the exact same kinds of behaviors and activities as he used to under his Antime account, and on many of the same pages to boot. Worse, the user's one unblocked account has now again gone right back to edit-warring and removing reliable sources on several of the same articles that he was disrupting previously (e.g. [9]). Given all of the foregoing as well as the sock case, would you please reconsider your decision to not ban the sockmaster account? Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 10:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one. This is their first time socking, so I'm letting it go. Report any new activity and we'll take appropriate steps. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 12:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response. However, based on this edit, the Prince jasim ali account now appears to be trying to insinuate that he is a different editor sharing an IP address with the أبو الحارث بن قيس عيلان account (the latter of whom he describes as a "partner") rather than one editor who was simply attempting to make a clean start with a new account. This explanation seems highly unlikely given the strong behavioral evidence that also links all three accounts (e.g. the editing of Sudanese articles, interest in Arab affairs, antipathy for Horn of Africa-related topics, concern with skin color in Sudanese tribes, etc.). It's doubtful that three separate accounts would edit the same types of pages in the same idiosyncratic kind of way using the same IP address and often within minutes of each other without them all being operated by the same person. Not to mention the fact that the two newly-created accounts were both unusually savvy for supposed newbies. Middayexpress (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

He can say what he wants; the CU results came back how they did. Unless he's actually abusing multiple accounts, however, there's not much that should be done. I'm not going to block him under the pretext of abusing multiple accounts, when I know that there's some form of edit war going on here. He'll be blocked when he does something - going forward - that is worthy of a block. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the clarification and advice on how to deal with similar incidents should they reoccur. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 08:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

• Actually, I have been asked to review this checkuser case from a cross-wiki perspective, and my findings are quite different from Tnxman307's. The editors are working from a Middle Eastern country that has a very small IP pool, so the majority of the users from this country will give similar CU results, especially when a fairly generic user agent is thrown into the mix. Then we add in the fact that, while two of the editors, Prince jasim ali and the "arabic" one, share what we Westerners consider an unusual point of view (with respect to which countries are in northeast Africa), it turns out it's the "normal" point of view for those living in that region, based on similar articles from other projects. In addition, Antime is a very longstanding Wikipedian, with over 13K edits on the Arab Wikipedia, and has ventured to this project over the course of years mainly to maintain appropriate categorization of related articles, and to add links to translations of articles. From looking at the cross-wiki contributions of all three editors, as well as taking into account the cultural differences and the fact that many Arab-speaking editors were focusing on articles related to Sudan in July and August due to major political changes there (a significant portion of the country seceded), my opinion is that we are talking about three completely separate editors. I am going to recommend that all three editors be unblocked; in particular, the block on Antime does not seem to be borne out by indepth review of the edits made by this editor or his longtime contributions to both this and other projects. For the record, I don't think anyone's behaved with ill intent in any way, nor would I expect that checkusers or SPI clerks routinely look at cross-wiki contributions when analysing most SPI cases; however, if you're interested I can give you links to a couple of tools I've found helpful when doing big-picture reviews like this. I'm going to cross-post this to the SPI, and also will draw Tnxman307's attention to this post. Risker (talk) 05:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Russian aircrashes

I've recreated the 2011 Avis Amur Antonov An-12 crash article, as the version that got deleted was the one I originally wrote under the title of Avis Anur Antonov An-12 crash last night (with a few typos fixed). I'll write a new version of the aircrash that happened on Monday, starting from scratch. Both of these accidents pass WP:AIRCRASH and deserve to have articles. Mjroots (talk) 05:11, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI/Christian2941

Can you finally close the latest investigation? It seems it hasn't been archived yet. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:12, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Belated thank you about an WP:SPI

Hello Hello - five plus years here, but this was my first ever SPI report. I check WP:AN/I over breakfast, always worrying my name will be mentioned for WP:COMPETENCE, inter alia. And it appears I dun good there. Thanks for that little !vote of confidence! - --Shirt58 (talk) 10:55, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Opinion needed in SPA Case

There is an ongoing investigation against me and other users about having multiple SPAs. While most other users have been cleared of being sockpuppets, the clerk reviewing the case mentioned I and another user had at one point the same IP address. I have had literally dozens of IPs because they are dynamic and change periodically through no fault of my own. I tried to go back to my previous edits and show examples of how these IPs have been used or are currently being used by other Wikipedia editors all across the country both before and after they had been assigned to me. The clerk reviewing this information dismissed my points saying I had used one of the other editors computers, and I can assure you 100% that is not the case and this is the absolute only device I have ever used to edit on Wikipedia.

He has not been back to comment or close the case despite me having provided extra relevant info on my previous IP addresses which I openly claim not as sockpuppet master, but as an editor who only recently signed up for an account. I even tried to go back to the articles I had previously edited and jotted down all the ones I could find to share them with others. I admit I often use open WiFi networks, shared networks, as well as my own internet not out of malice, but to supplement my limited internet data plan. I believe there is a coincidence at play with the one IP address because of me having accessed the same dynamic IP address as other editors on several occasions (all different editors around the country and uninvolved with this case) and made my point in the SPA page which you gave the go ahead to look into. At this point I am not so concerned with the outcome of the investigation as much as all the new SPA investigations I am being dragged into by editors from the Marisol Deluna talk page while this investigation is still open. Could you review this case and the page in question please??BbBlick (talk) 21:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Help with Marisol Deluna?

Hi there. You are an admin. I have seen around, and I am trying to to get some action on a sock investigation and nothing is happening except a bunch of bickering by interested parties on the page. No admins. There was a totally specious request about ME which received immediate attention (I was cleared in an hour.) It would really help with the page if my suspicions could get born out, or cleared. Can you help? Page: Marisol Deluna. Investigation here.

Also, I'd like to see about getting page deletion discussion restarted, but no response from the editor who closed it last time (as inconclusive), which where it is suggested we start. Better to wait for sock findings in any case.Tao2911 (talk) 23:11, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

You know, not all of us have the luxury of editing Wikipedia all the time. And actually, some of us are even in different time zones than others! Your case will be looked at when we get around to it. Have patience. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, HelloAnnyong. You have new messages at Talk:Web Sheriff.
Message added 03:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

VQuakr (talk) 03:18, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

As I implied on the article talk page my optimism is somewhat guarded, but thanks for being open to feedback. Regards! VQuakr (talk) 04:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI/Mikemikev

Hi. Sorry I don't quite know how the "s" disappeared. When you deleted and restored the page, the semiprotection because of persistent socking seems to have been dropped. Was that an accident? Mathsci (talk) 08:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it was an accident. It's been restored. Please be careful when you open cases in the future. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 12:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Socks

• User:Omnipaedista: [10], User:Yangula: [11] make the same rv and disruptive edits, identified as a sockpuppet of the same user and also create a minority image about Greek articles , handling account does not mean anything, but sockpuppets (in the section skyladiko)

-Kallieriastus (talk) 13:30, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I see that you looked into this: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/JeanColumbia Isn't there going to be any action against the person making this false accusation against a respected WP editor? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:54, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

As I wrote from the very beginning, my problem was with the anon, and I made an erroneous connection with JeanColumbia, while listing all the arguments that brought me to make this connection to begin with. As noble as your fearless defense of JeanColumbia (even referring to the editor as "her") is, I think seeking actions against me for a matter that does not involve you is definitely overstepping your boundaries. Or do you want another investigation to possibly establish an involvement? I definitely have no desire to file any more reports, as I am here to try and improve Wikipedia, not get into nonsensical arguments with overly bored editors. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 18:03, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Uh, we don't block people for opening cases, no. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Tree Shaping -> Arborsculpture RFM 2

A second request to move the article "tree shaping" to "arborsculpture" has been opened. Since you have previously been involved in the subject, you may wish to participate in the discussion. AfD hero (talk) 19:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

?oygul sockpuppet investigation

I notice that you closed the investigation of this case. I wonder if it would be possible to re-open it to see if ?oygul is a sock of user:Blackash? Martin Hogbin (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

You can if you want, but you better have some actual evidence. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

What kind of evidence is normally required? I thought the purpose of this investigation process was to find evidence. I can certainly put up a good prima facie case. Would it be better to start a separate investigation? Martin Hogbin (talk) 09:45, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

You have to start an SPI case with at least some justification; can't go around accusing whoever you like of being a sock. Standard evidence would be diffs, similar pages, similar edit styles, that sort of thing. If you think you've got a case, then add a case for the account. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I will do that. Martin Hogbin (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

You asked for evidence, I gave it, you ignored it. You did not even bother responding to it. I think I'm starting to feel RickK's pain... Colincbn (talk) 01:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Fine, I'll bite. Let's suppose the two accounts are the same. Bluegum hasn't edited in several weeks, and ?oygul is subject to the same ArbCom restrictions. If ?oygul decides to start edit warring, report it to AE. If both accounts start editing at the same time, report it to SPI or AE. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

?oygul is not subject to the same ArbCom restrictions. As it is being interpreted those with restrictions can only post once on any new name debate unless asked a direct question. ?oygul is not under that restriction and has used that position to continually post attacks against Slowart (to the point that Elonka has had to delete them), and has asked questions to others under restrictions so they can get their points out without Slowart being able to respond. Besides, regardless of all this a user using a sock to get around restrictions is exactly what the sockpuppet policy is all about. I just don't see why all these people are bending over to let someone get away with it. I think the evidence is pretty convincing, but if those entrusted with enforcing the rules are not going to do it what is the point of me spending my free time to work on the encyclopedia? When I could be spending it doing something that is just as rewarding, and not subject to being compromised by people who are here for selfish ends? As I said, I totally understand why people like RickK leave. Colincbn (talk) 03:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

No response? Typical. Colincbn (talk) 01:44, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Properly archived?

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Urbanuntil 1 - this page doesn't seem to link back to the archive but rather presents just sort of a stub sock puppet report - JohnInDC (talk) 14:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

It just needed to be purged. Take a look now. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 14:04, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I guess Jefferson was right - paraphrased, a purge every now and then is a good thing! JohnInDC (talk) 14:12, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

/* User:Alex79818 */

Regard this SPI request, I sent you material linking the editor to the IP off-wiki as it revealed personal information. At the time the disruption appeared to have stopped but appears to be starting again. Is it relevant to reprise it? Wee Curry Monster talk 15:28, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bug you but Alex is now starting a frivolous RFC and continuing to be disruptive. Is there any possibility of acting on this SPI request and having the behaviour and external evidence examined? Wee Curry Monster talk 20:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I need you help

Hey again, I need your help with Ranbirk (talk · contribs) - the guy kept edit warring on Priyanka Chopra and personally attacking me while also harrassing me on my talk page. His versions were full of POV, unsourced edits, grammar errors. Now this was the last straw when he started using very abusive language in Hindi in his last edit summary against me (I would translate it to you but trust me it's better to avoid it). I've warned him before, I could not handle his poor edits, the guy hardly writes proper English and then accuses me of being biased for no fault of my own. He also has a sock puppet - Wallvelvet (talk · contribs) through which he awarded himself banstars (and me too, which I removed as I knew he was trying to prevent me from opposing to his edits). I request your help as I'm fed up. Shahid • ^Talk2me 20:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I can handle the translation, trust me. But I'm not going to step in on your behalf and stop what is essentially a content dispute. If this person is being disruptive and unwilling to talk about their edits, then it can be taken to AN or ANI or something. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 21:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong number. I at least expected from you to delete the terrible edit summary, but anyway, I'll handle it. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

You wouldn't even tell me what it means. Based on the activity after it, though, I assume it was abusive - so I've revdel'd it out. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 21:56, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I said, "he started using very abusive language in Hindi in his last edit summary against me" and I provided a specific diff. I can't think of a better way to explain it. As you are an administrator, I related to you my entire history with the guy, and among other links, I can cite this and this to prove his harrassment. I cannot see what your meaning is by content dispute. Adding completely incoherent stuff, some of which is unsourced and some of which is supported by blogs, tons of grammatical errors, unnecessary capitals, lack of spaces, WP:UNDUE, unwillingness to discuss. And then also his silly accusations. I'm sorry, content dispute it ain't and I don't need anyone to "step in on my behalf". I know what ANI is and if I there's one admin whom I've known I think there's nothing wrong with asking for help. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:13, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've left the account a pretty stern warning, so let me know of further abuse. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Stale IP

Yep, I missed it. Mea culpa. Somehow, I thought it was a recent post. Insert trout-slap here. Thanks, JoeSperrazza (talk) 02:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Phildorocke and Jeremytmiller

So the sock case determined these two are meatpuppets--what's next, a block or a warning? Blueboy96 20:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

A block is too much, I think. A warning is sufficient - for now. If their behavior continues (e.g. edit warring) they can be considered one person for 3RR violations and such; read WP:MEAT for more. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 00:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Sydney Bluegum

At the Sockpuppet investigation [12] you stated. "Hmm... they only have the Tree shaping talk page in common, so I have a feeling they're offline friends or something. I'm closing with no action taken for now."

If editing the same page is proof of being offline friends, your feelings should also be applied to Duff and Slowart, Colincbn and Martin, Grisium and Slowart. These pairs of editors have extensively edited the same articles. Slowart, Duff and Grisium have edited Axel Erlandson, Grafting, Tree shaping and others. I don't think this is a good way to deicde if editors know each other. The point I'm making is relevant to the editors' behaviour and your feelings about that behaviour, not the topic. Sydney Bluegum (talk) 12:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

/* Sock-puppetry */ on Kris Jordan

I request the you remove the block on Kris Jordan. The article, as it stands now, is completely illiterate and contains minimal factual information. The "sock-puppets" that supposedly have plagued the article contributed very little, if any, negative information--certainly, the person was not a vandal. But the article needs to be re-written irrespectively of that person's desire for changes.

Alex.deWitte (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I've dropped it down to autoconfirmed, so you should be able to edit. But I'm going to keep an eye on the article, and will raise it back up as necessary. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. If no one tries to add the new info, I'll do it in a couple of days. Feel free to hack it if it sounds biased. I will also edit the current text for readability--it is absolutely illiterate.

--Alex.deWitte (talk) 20:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Antichristos

Hi. Can I point you at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Antichristos, please? William M. Connolley (talk) 08:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Why did you block me

I had zero connection to any of those anon addresses. BrendanFrye (talk) 19:04, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

I at least deserve an explanation. BrendanFrye (talk) 17:32, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

You were blocked on behavioral grounds. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:13, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

No, you blocked me for sockpuppetry. I DID NO SUCH THING. Are you changing your block reason now. Please explain why. BrendanFrye (talk) 02:38, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I was blocked for a week. At least you can tell me why you did so. I had no relation to any of the IPs. Please tell me what magic formula you used to dispense justice. Thanks! BrendanFrye (talk) 02:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I should clarify: you were blocked on suspicion of sockpuppeting. That block was made on behavioral grounds. I'm not going to get into the specifics with you per WP:BEANS, but the issue is over and done with now. Let's move on. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:56, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, much easier than having to explain why you were wrong. BrendanFrye (talk) 16:37, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI Otto4711

hes back again in 2 days, the evidence is even clearer now and i opened a case at SPI. Can we lock down both the pages for osome 3 months or so?Lihaas (talk) 13:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Both articles were protected by Elockid for awhile. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:14, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijani-American

hi HelloAnnyong! You have previously edited the article Azerbaijani American, that's why I decided to ask you to look at this version of the page [13] I have done many edits to it, expanded it tremendously, added many fresh, new sources, including unique statistics from the Department of Homeland Security, and in general made this article more consistent with other similar articles about "hyphenated Americans", such as Russian American, Turkish American, Iranian American, Armenian American, etc. This version of the article, however, keeps being reverted by some users, including IP anons[14], who are otherwise never improving the article in any way, content with keeping it in a sorry state and just revert. The article as well as its talk page could benefit from your insight and knowledge. I have left extensive comments myself, and each time I edited, I left an overwhelming number of sources, going above and beyond of what's necessary. I don't want this simple article to become artificially polarized, and thus think your "two cents" would help improve it. --Saygi1 (talk) 00:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

First, I didn't edit the article; I protected it once as it was being hit by sockpuppets. And the article isn't repeatedly being reverted; the IP reverted once. You're the only person talking on the talk page, so there's not really any controversy there. There's nothing to act on here, and I'm not going to get involved in a content dispute even if there was one - which there isn't. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

How does this article merit "Disputed" or "Refimprove" tags that were placed by user Alborz Fallah today?[15] The refimprove tag states "additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed". What "additional citations"? This article already has more citations than equivalent articles, such as Iranian American. And there is no "unsourced materials" - everything has citations, all citations are reliable and verifiable, all rely on newspapers, journals, books and government sources. Likewise, the "disputed" tag states that "factual accuracy is disputed. Please help to ensure that disputed facts are reliably sourced". Well, everything is reliably sourced, there are actually multiple citations of the same fact over and over and over again - more so than for any other equivalent article for "hyphenated Americans". These tags have no place on this article at this time, they were merited before when the article was in a pitiful state and 1/3 the length, but today, every statement and number has a verifiable and reliable reference. These tags should be removed, they are without merit at this stage of the article. You are right - there is no real controversy, but it is being artificially created by several reverts of my edits by IP anons as well as established users. There can't be content dispute as everything is cited, references and sourced, using well-established English-language American sources. Then, howcome they can place such tags when clearly these tags are groundless? Your guidance is much appreciated. I came here to improve a subject I know well - not to get embroiled in some petty disputes by "veterans" who make Wikipedia experience far less pleasant and cordial than it is supposed to be. --Saygi1 (talk) 23:10, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not the one that placed the tags, so I'm not going to answer that question. You posted on the talk page, so wait to see what the person says. I don't have much advice to give other than the usual: discuss your edits, and if necessary, follow the dispute resolution steps. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:17, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

The user Kurdo777 has once again placed two tags [16] that were removed by four different users before. He only left this comment to 'justify' their inclusion [17]. As it stands, the article Azerbaijani-Americans appears to be better written and better sourced than analogous articles such as Iranian-American, yet the disproportionate attention and persistence in placing tags are just astounding. How do I request an independent review by an admin to stop this senseless activity? --Saygi1 (talk) 17:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Question SPI

May I question this? -- ClaudioSantos¿? 01:23, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Sure can. I've responded there. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:56, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Yopienso

I'm going to comment here because you've requested that we let this go on the now closed SPI. First of all, I appreciate you trying to provide a justification for Cerejota's initial suspicion, but unfortunately, it is completely and totally unjustified. Yopienso is a woman who has been here for a long time without any problems whatsoever. She's known for never edit warring, for being polite, and for remaining calm in a dispute. Gise, on the other hand, is a guy who recently created an account and has a personality and POV that is completely at odds with Yopienso in every way. Yes, sometimes people agree and edit at the same time, but that never is a justification for starting an SPI. Cerejota initiated the SPI because he quite clearly and unambiguously misunderstood a comment by Yopienso. The irony, of course, is that the comment in question was a statement by Yopienso indirectly accusing Gise of being a sock. Why would someone who was socking accuse their sock of being a sock? Seriously, there is no justification for this SPI at all, and Cerejota made a mistake. It should be deleted to clear Yopienso's name. Viriditas (talk) 03:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

See, that's why I came to the conclusion that "they're friends editing in collusion." I don't think this is a bad faith case, however, so I'm not going to delete it. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:47, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how you came to that conclusion. There is no diff or any evidence of any kind indicating that they know each other or are friends. I'm really surprised at these bizarre accusations against Yopienso. Viriditas (talk) 04:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, she has been highly uncivil towards me and others, so I question characterization as an un-problematic user. --Cerejota (talk) 04:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

You both had a content dispute that became heated and words were exchanged. Your characterization of her behavior as "highly uncivil" is not supported by any evidence that I am aware of at this time. To repeat myself, there is no evidence of any connection between Yopienso and Gise. None. Viriditas (talk) 04:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Cerejota, please provide an instance of my incivility. Would you like me to provide an instance of your disruptiveness? Yopienso (talk) 04:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Viriditas, thank you very much for your support. Yopienso (talk) 04:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Annyong. Thank you for your clerking work. I appreciate the fact you see many cases and cannot actually know what's going on in most of them and so are forced to go by instinct and make judgment calls. In this case, you are mistaken; I have no idea who Gise is. He is neither my sock nor my friend or even an acquaintance until he showed up at the CRU email article.

Anyway, I came to your talk page simply to ask you if I should respond to you on the SPI page below your post in the clerk section or in the comment section above it. I found all these comments here so am responding to them. Yopienso (talk) 04:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I do not think it is appropiate to do this here, but since you ask for evidence, of your uncivil behavior, here we have it. Kindly provide us with evidence as to my alleged disruptive behavior, or please retract your statements. Viriditas, to describe this behavior as "two sided" is a misrepresentation. The only words I have exchanged in article talk regarding the person of Yopienso, rather than the content of the article was when I alleged she was (WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT) ignoring my extensive explanations of my position and to point out that the comment I provided above was WP:OWN owny. I am not aware of any instance of otherwise engaging her unrelated to content. Please provide diffs showing otherwise, or likewise strike your comments out. --Cerejota (talk) 05:58, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

That was not incivility. It was a necessary and polite request after you had indeed made "extensive" explanations and generally disrupted the article, not only with your verbosity on the talk page, but with your tendentious insertion of tags. The sourcing for that simple fact had been amply discussed for over a week (for months, actually, but your participation goes back to Aug. 7), yet you either ignored the discussion or pretended not to know the facts. Previously, for reasons known only to yourself, you took umbrage at a simple, innocuous statement I made and demanded I strike it. Here is an excerpt showing your argumentativeness. You ignored Q Science's comment and later inserted those useless and disruptive tags.

Yopienso: please read the very beginning of this thread (not the sub-heading, the thread) which I started. The version at the time of my edit was (commonly known as "climategate") without sourcing of any kind. That is what I call a naked, unsourced assertion. I hope this clarifies it for you. I have proposed different versions, including the one in the current protected version, all of which are sourced, and reflect what the source says. I am not opposed to any version that is both NPOV and sourced, but I am opposed to any version that is not sourced, or that doesn't attributes belief. So I am opposed, for example, to "commonly known as" unless it is well sourced with NPOV or to "also known as" if those who know it by that name are not identified. As to why I oppose this, I point you to the ample reasoning I provided above. More importantly, I think any sourced version is preferable to the unsourced statement as per WP:BURDEN, there is no way we should agree to a consensus that prefers an unsourced statement to a well-sourced one. --Cerejota (talk) 22:34, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, Cerejota, I have trouble following your posts. If I understand you correctly, all that needed doing (according to you) was adding any of the multitude of RSs that use the term. Would that not have been simpler than adding a long, explanatory phrase? The term is so generally known that the involved editors saw no need to add a source for months. We do not source self-evident facts. Yopienso (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Cerejota, there is never a requirement for references in the introduction. In fact, many people have argued for getting rid of them in all articles. Instead, the intro should be a summary of what is in the article. That said, a separate section explaining the term makes sense. However, there is no reason to over due it since this article already has multiple references that use the term. Q Science (talk) 03:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Here's my response to Nigelj that upset you: Au contraire; to an outside observer, it would appear that we are part of the effort to stifle the term. Reams of archived talk confirm this. Typically, a newcomer will come blasting in with criticism and either be instructed in the m.o. or leave in disgust. Also, I don't consider the sidebar as part of the lede. Yopienso (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC) And your response: Yopienso, perhaps you would like to strikethrough the comments on "newcomers". Shall I remind you of WP:OWN? --Cerejota (talk) 00:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC) You ignored this comment:Cerejota, I don't believe the comments directed at Yopienso above were fair. I think you may have missed hisher point with regards to the "newcomers" remark and certainly heshe is not displaying any form of "ownership" of this article (although other active editors are). I would welcome more rather than less input from Yopienso; heshe is genuinely and consistently neutral and fair. Everything else you have said is spot on. Alex Harvey (talk) 02:36, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm hoping the investigation continues in order to prove to you Gise was not my sock. You owe me an apology. Yopienso (talk) 06:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Folks, this is my talk page. Take it elsewhere. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 11:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I have watched this with bemusement and have to agree 100% that Cerejota abused the SPI process by raising this in the first place (for reasons that aren't clear it seems he just doesn't like Yopienso), and your meatpuppet accusation - without any evidence other than a few coincidentally timed edits - is way out of line and you do owe Yopienso an apology. Cise & Yopienso may well just happen to live in the same timezone. Did you consider that? They don't show any similarity in personality. They don't share any common bias. They appear do not even appear to speak the same language (there's plenty of evidence that Gise, if he is not someone's sockpuppet, is not a native English speaker). The idea that Yopienso has this crazy obsessive friend call "Gise" and is pretending otherwise is laughably stupid - if you had bothered to do any investigation that is. Alex Harvey (talk) 02:29, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Yopienso

es look at my (ec) additional evidence. Its either meaty or two browsers. However, why is no action needed if there is a block? Can't an investigation close as confirmed or possible with a permanent block? --Cerejota (talk) 03:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow, really? I concluded that they're meatpuppets, not sockpuppets, so I'm not going to block just on that. Gise-354x was blocked for a week for edit warring, so the case in its current form is done. If they continue warring, take it to AN3 or something. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh am sorry, meant in a general sense, I agree in this case there is no need for perma nothings, although Gise seems to be one of those people who hang themselves, if its not a real sock. I apologize for the lack of clarity.--Cerejota (talk) 04:03, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

They're already blocked; I'm not going to make it indefinite. And it wasn't confirmed with a checkuser, so the case won't close as being confirmed. There's nothing else to act on. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 04:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Got it. that was my question and the kind of answer expected ;) Thanks.--Cerejota (talk) 04:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

My request, Annyong, that I wanted to post on the SPI page, was for a checkuser. I see you have closed it and it will be archived. I am not OK with that. If you run a check (although I'm very low tech and don't really know what that means, but assume it might check our IP addresses or something) you will find absolutely no connection between Gise and me. I think it's only fair to me to allow this to be settled. Thank you. Yopienso (talk) 04:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

For the last time, it did not conclude that Gise was your sock - only that it's possible that they're a friend or someone who you may be editing with. That's all. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong - but we're not going to just run CUs just for the hell of it. No punitive action was taken here, so let's all just move on. The SPI case is no place to deal with content disputes. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 11:50, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

HelloAnnyong, could you patiently explain how it is possible that Gise is a friend of Yopienso or someone she is editing with? I don't see that possibility. What I see, is that Cerejota took a content dispute to SPI, and instead of being reprimanded for this bad behavior, you have enabled him. Please correct me if I'm wrong. And in case I'm not being clear, I don't see any connection between the two accounts, so I'm confused how you could say there is one. Viriditas (talk) 21:16, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

See the explanation in the SPI. You disagree with it, but it was explained, as was my extensive provision of evidence. You make a reasonable argument that the evidence doesn't prove anything, but you are being unreasonable in suggesting there is anything evil in it. --Cerejota (talk) 22:11, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Listen clearly: I drew a conclusion based on a given set of circumstances and my past experience and knowledge. Also, no action was taken here, and the issue is over and done with. I'll not here anymore of this on my talk page or elsewhere. If you want to battle it out, fine - take it to another page. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 22:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I am not a participant in this content dispute between Cerejota and Yopienso, nor am I involved in any battle. My sole concern is determining whether Wikipedia process, such as SPI, operates under the presumption of innocence and how people involved in the process, such as yourself, should choose their words when dealing with allegations of wrongdoing. If you would like to take this discussion to another forum for discussion, I'm open to that, but I do not accept that you drew a conclusion that was based on a lack of evidence. When we are faced with a lack of evidence, the conclusion should fall under the presumption of innocence. Viriditas (talk) 03:09, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

• HelloAnnyong, I have taken a look at this SPI. I do not see any evidence of either sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. I see evidence of collaboration, one of the cornerstones of this project.

  Sometimes when one is exposed for extended periods to some of the seamier sides of the project, there is a blunting of the ability to assume good faith or to be able to identify benign reasons for actions that might in some circumstances be questionable. It is important, as an SPI clerk, that you be able to step back and look at things with an impartial eye, and to act conservatively. The initial complaint essentially boiled down to "these people disagree with me" - which isn't even a reason for an SPI, and the file should probably have been closed right there without any further investigation. I encourage you to insist that the complainants provide you with sufficient evidence before you start hunting for more. In particular, wikistalk is not a particularly useful tool for sockpuppetry reviews, especially when comparing accounts that are both editing within the same topic area; they are likely to communicate with the same people, use the same talk pages and so on. Risker (talk) 06:50, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Sure, that's fine. Sockpuppet cases are not an exact science, and mistakes do get made. I'll state it again: I took no actual action in this case, but merely drew a conclusion. If it was wrong, then it was wrong - no one was actually harmed (blocked, etc.) here. Still, I'll try to be a little more cautious going forward. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:04, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Individual request for comment

As a previously interested editor, your input is invited over at older discussion and newer discussion (mostly by just me), about this embedded list. If I'm off base, I'd rather hear it from two editors rather than one. It's not really a dispute, so formal WP:3O isn't really on yet. --Lexein (talk) 00:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

George SJ XXI

Hi! On 12 August you blocked, this user for abusing multiple accounts and also blocked several of his current sock puppets. He's now finished his block and has just this morning used another new anon IP:- 203.173.31.97 to alter his previous 'George SJ XXI' edits on both his talk page and the Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington talk page, which is an article he was edit warring on and received a block four days prior to yours for that issue, from EyeSerene. As he doesn't seem to have learned his lesson would it be possible to block this new anon IP and issue a further and longer block to his main username for persistent abuse of multiple accounts? Also please note that he is currently engaged in some sort of complex editing of his talkpage in and out of archive mode, with deletions of warnings from admins, and making it appear he has no previous talk page contents, see here. Richard Harvey (talk) 11:46, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I've opened another case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/George SJ XXI. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

I've replied on the SPI with editing history details (timeline), which indicate it was a deliberate attempt to use a sock puppet! Richard Harvey (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TRATTOOO

• Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TRATTOOO

Hey there, HelloAnnyong. I've posted a response at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TRATTOOO. There actually are multiple IPs that can be checked against the latest sock investigation. Can you reevaluate based on that? Thank you for your time, — Cirt (talk) 04:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Bokan995

All the socks of Bokan995 (talk · contribs) were created after he was blocked for edit warring, I'm convinced they were created to avoid another block, hard to have good faith when that happens. Dougweller (talk) 09:09, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

An, no need to even consider good faith, see [18] where he endorses his sock's version. Dougweller (talk) 12:23, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

An-Apple-A-NY-Day

I suspect that User:OnlyGodTheFatherKnows is a sockpupet for User:An-Apple-A-NY-Day and opened a case earlier today which was immediately closed. It turns out that a previous investiation was opened earlier this month and closed by you.

You said "I'm not 100% convinced of it, and OnlyGodTheFatherKnows has gone stale. Closing for now".

This SPA User:OnlyGodTheFatherKnows is now participating in an AfD discussion which is discussing the same article as User:An-Apple-A-NY-Day and her/his many puppets have attempted to own over the years. Could you kindly please take a look again? Thanks. --Fasttimes68 (talk) 18:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

FYI

I'm neither complaining about nor appealing your decision regarding sock puppetry by AceD. Since you concluded "I do think this is an attempt on Computer Guy 2's part to try to deal with an edit war through alternative means.", I would like to respond. I've been an active editor for a couple of years now, and only recently have had to deal with this situation.

I do clearly understand that any of my edits may be boldly and ruthlessly edited by other editors.

From my standpoint, it's extremely frustrating to have a new(?) IP editor (who had not contributed to the article) appear 'out of the blue' to attack my edits and begin reverting them while refusing to sign his edits - appearing more like a vandal than a contributing editor. Then, after dealing with that for some time, that editor would disappear only to be replaced by another IP editor (with a different IP address) doing the same thing in a slightly different way. Finally, that IP editor disappeared after being warned for edit warring and disruptive behavior, and another new editor (registered since 2006) showed up to personally attack this editor and begin yet another edit war with more reverts. None of these sequential identities (IP addresses or registered name) were identified at any time as the same person.

I lived through it and can only relate that each appeared to be a completely new editor joining in the attack. Only after I later took the time to analyze the contribution histories of each identity, and the writing style, did I suspect these multiple identities to be the same person and exposed it on the talk page. As I read the Wiki Sock Puppet definition, I didn't see an exception for sequential identities. I did see that such behavior (sequential or not) is expressly forbidden on Wikipedia. For example, "...make problematic edits as an IP" is forbidden. "Reviving old unused accounts and presenting them as different users" is forbidden. "Editors may not use more than one account to contribute to the same page or discussion in a way to suggest that they are multiple people". From my standpoint, all these tactics were used against me in personal attacks as well as attacks on my edit content.

Perhaps you will re-think your position that my complaint was an "attempt on Computer Guy 2's part to try to deal with an edit war through alternative means." In response, I am compelled to state that I was simply trying to constructively deal with forbidden behavior.

In good faith

Computer Guy 2 (talk) 12:31, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

What? No comment?

In good faith

Computer Guy 2 (talk) 21:41, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

The case is closed. What more do you want? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 22:16, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

I guess that says it all - as far as you are concerned.... We wouldn't want to confuse our conclusions with facts - or Wiki policies. Let's move on.

In good faith

Computer Guy 2 (talk) 02:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Tagbombing?

Would you mind taking a quick browse through these contribs? I'm not 100% sure, but it looks rather like vandalism by abuse of tags. If I'm offbase, just delete this and ignore. Thanks, LeadSongDog come howl! 16:39, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocking a confirmed sockmaster

Hi - any chance we could finally block this editor? Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bokan995. Wasn't blocked the first time (only the socks were), this is the second set of confirmed socks. Don't particularly want to do it myself as I've been reverting on the article (though only per this report, I have no interest in the article personally). Black Kite (t) (c) 17:55, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Sockmaster question

While the two IPs were blocked in this SPI, there was no comment about whether the Master was involved. I tried to present evidence that because Hulcys930 copied and pasted material ([19], [20], and [21]) similar to that of one of the now-blocked IPs([22], it's likely that Hulcys930 is the master account. Not sure why the master wasn't also blocked per WP:DUCK. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 19:27, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I decided to leave the master alone for now. The edits from the IPs weren't constant enough for me to really consider it malicious; the editor could've just been logged out and forgot to edit. Anyway, it seems the master is editing from just that account now, but add a new case for them if that changes. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 18:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

sockpuppet alligations

please note the comment i left on the investigation page. claviere has made insulting remarks. one worse than the other. what can i do about this? -- mustihussain (talk) 18:48, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Your work regarding my recent SPI

Thank you for your efforts regarding my recent SPI - Ancient indian historian/Sumitkachroo etc. The outcome was not quite as I suspected it would be and for that I apologise. I think by now you are probably familiar with my name appearing in SPI reports. I am at present working mostly in a rather disrupted topic area & it embarrasses me that I am having to file so many of these reports. The editing patterns are complex and, yes, sometimes I get them wrong. Mine is not (I think) a bad record but I really would prefer not to have to go down this particular road in the first instance and on those occasions when I do so and it is not a "perfect result", well, I feel as if I have wasted the time of other people. Still learning, I guess! Whether my suspicions are confirmed or refuted, those of you who deal with this stuff have my admiration. - Sitush (talk) 23:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for eyes on Fiona Graham

Hi, if I remember correctly, you know Japanese, which I think would be helpful on what I can only call the strange situation at Fiona Graham. There's a fair bit of reverting, I suspect socking or meat-puppeting going on, and it's not a dispute I much want to be involved with, but I think needs eyes. I came on it completely unadvertantly, through Murasaki Shikibu that I've finished expanding which brought me to Liza Dalby - the dispute has spilled over there which brought me to Fiona Graham. Anyway, the information on the talkpages and in the history of Fiona Graham should show what's going on. Let me know if you'd like me to post on the talk pages that I've asked for you to take a look. Thanks. Truthkeeper (talk) 01:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Argh, that chick. I really have no interest in getting involved in that mess. Being able to speak Japanese isn't going to help solve that one. Sorry. :/ — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, you know about it. Yes, a mess. I have no interest either, but it's showing up on my talkpage. It was worth a shot. Thanks. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Email

Sent you one two. Are you on IRC right now? Elockid ^(Talk) 01:52, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Quick question

Hey, what did your comment meant here? I don´t get "tautological evidence" and what means "CU"? Did i did something the wrong way? Kante4 (talk) 08:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I meant that you gave no information at all. Evidence for why a user is a sock is not "Sockpuppet of OlympicFan". We need actual evidence. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 13:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, i was quite in a hurry and should have not done it that way. I just saw him again before i went out and wanted to report him, will do better next time. What´s a good info? Spaming with his olympic forum on several user talk pages after being blocked several times before? Was my first time reporting someone as a sockpuppet. Kante4 (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Just any sort of explanation. Diffs are good; mentioning articles/fields where both accounts have edited, that sort of thing. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:37, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, HelloAnnyong. You have new messages at KuduIO's talk page.
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(User is probably not watching my TP, so TB-ing after a few hours.) Kudu ^~I/O~ 22:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Dewan357

It looks to me like the reason the case wasn't marked as "checked" was AGK's request for another checkuser to review the issue of a range-block. Since no checkuser has responded to that, I'm not sure closing it is a good idea.—Kww(talk) 22:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right - I was looking at another similar case. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 23:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Collateral damage from rangeblock?

See User talk:75.243.50.224. Care to take care of this? --Jayron32 01:43, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Agh, damn. Yeah, I've lifted that rangeblock. I haven't done much in the way of unblocking like this, so can you check it to make sure I got it right? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks good to me per [23]. --Jayron32 03:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Did someone log into my account fromRomania?

Somehow, my account name is tied in with this IP http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Contributions/188.27.81.41 When I created my account, I used a very weak password and haven't got around to change it. I would not be surprised if its been compromised. I just changed it now after I was just made aware of strange happening. Someone made an allegation that I was "sockpupetting" and linked my user name with an IP address from Romania. I have nothing to do with the discussion of Slowking4 and the edits that was made under this IP on Traffic Power and Aaron Wall was not made by me.
Can you tell me if there's been any log-ins to account from IP subnet other than the one I am on as I post this? How exactly did my user name get tied with this IP and is there anyway I can see IP history in my account? Cantaloupe2 (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I blocked that IP because it made edits on pages that you share with it. If I was wrong then I apologize; however I didn't block your account, so it shouldn't be an issue. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 22:58, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I am getting accused of sockpuppeting in in this discussion for something I did not do, because my user name was implicated as the sockpuppeting perpetrator. Though my account standing wasn't affected, my credibility is getting tarnished. The page User:188.27.81.41 conclusively states that IP address was used by my account. The mere fact that someone shares two out of many many edits I have does not adequately substantiate the claim to make such a conclusive accusation. Since my password was weak, I suspected my account was compromised, but from what you're saying, this doesn't appear to be the case.
Aaron Wall and Traffic Power are closely related as the two pages link together. If someone came across the AfD on Aaron Wall, visited the article and the linked article Traffic Power and added "dead link" after finding the link is dysfunctional on their attempt to verify the source, I don't see how that is out of ordinary. I have nothing to do with the action of that IP and accusation that I am perpetrating sockpuppetting is unwarranted as it appears that there is no evidence that IP logged into my account and the geographic resolving of my IP and that IP are so far apart and edit times are so close together working from different computer is out of question. I want my name disassociated from this matter seeing that it was just a hunch. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 23:52, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

See [24]. JoeSperrazza (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I still see my name implicated here and your comment about sockpuppeting hereCantaloupe2 (talk) 00:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not involved in that ANI case, but I'm not going to unblock that IP just to remove your name from the block reason. And we're not going to revdel out a whole section of ANI just because your name was listed there. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:16, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Reopening an SPI case

Greetings,

Since you closed this SPI case, how do I go about reopening it? I have additional information/evidence to add and would like to restate elements of the existing evidence. Thanks in advance. Digirami (talk) 02:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Go to WP:SPI, put the master's name (SuperSonicx1986) in the box, and fill it out as you did before. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 02:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

User's editing while logged out

In Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Yogesh Khandke/Archive, a bunch of IPs were reported as socks of User:Yogesh Khandke. Of course, CU won't connect usernames to IPs, but you (rightly, IMO) concluded that the IPs were someone editing while logged out, so you blocked the IPs for a week. I actually think some of the IP edits belonged to other editors, based on some wording choices, but that's not so important. However, another editor pointed out to me that on Metawiki, Yogesh mistakenly edited while logged out revealing his IP, and then went back in and corrected the signature in a comment to include his username. That edit is at [25]. The IP address that Yogesh takes responsibility for is very close in range to some of those reported in the SPI. Yogesh has explicitly stated that the IP edits were not his (see the third and fourth paragraphs of User Talk:Yogesh Khandke#Reply to remark made on blocking admin's page). If I'm using the IP CIDR calculator correct, then one of the addresses in the SPI and one the address from meta fall within a /23 range, which if I further understand correctly, is only 512 IP addresses. That makes it seem pretty darn likely that at least one of the edits to ANI that caused the SPI report actually came from Yogesh Khandke, editing while logged out to intentionally avoid scrutiny. That leaves me with a few questions. First, are we even allowed to look at the IP address from Meta, or is that instead supposed to be ignored and suppressed? If we can look at it, that then leads to the question as to whether any further actions should be taken against Yogesh. In a certain sense, action now would be questionable, since this involves edits from over a week ago; on the other hand, it would be helpful to have a permanent record somewhere if YK is, in fact, using IPs as a means to avoid scrutiny. The only edits that YK has made since the SPI have been to start preparing to take action against User:EyeySerene for an earlier block of YK. 06:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, to be accurate xe doesn't want to take action against ES; xe wants ES to apologize and make a record in the block log that the previous block was wrong, or somehow convince him that the block wasn't wrong. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Ublock request for IPadWanderer now raised at AN/I

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Unblock_request_for_IPadWanderer. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Meowy

HelloAnnyoung, please look here [26]. It's a report on Meowy with all evidence. Dighapet (talk) 15:40, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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