User talk:Halls4521

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Thank's, Furious Freddy.--Halls452 (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll Be in Trouble and The Girl's Alright with Me

Welcome to Wikipedia. When writing articles on songs and such, there's no need to add the parenthetical disambiguation to the article title if there's not already (or should be) an article under the basic name. That's the only reason we do it: so that when we have, for example, a gang of articles on Joy, each one can have its own name space.

I've moved both "I'll Be in Trouble" and "The Girl's Alright with Me", and added categories as well. Thanks and have fun editing. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 21:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. I've also made an article for "Girl (Why You Wanna Make Me Blue)" as well. That'll be it for the articles for now (but I hope to make some more soon).--Halls452 (talk) 23:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Hi, I am going to talk to PeterSymonds right now. He has been helping with this problem on TDI/A pages, and even Dancing with the Stars, which was being used for predictions. Even though I have been a user for about a month, I am going to ask if I could be a rollback, I mean I am definitely responsible, and it would be easier to help others with that power!!! I understand the line from the movie, The Incredibles: "I feel like the maid. I just cleaned up this mess. Can we keep it clean??? For 10 MINUTES!!!" (In reference to ridding the world of villians/crime. Trying my best to do it. Thanks for listening to my rant, LOL!- TDI19 (talk) 22:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

That's OK and I think that's great. Hope it works out... and Thanks.--Halls452 (talk) 07:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, received your note. What would you like me to do? Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 09:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Replied on other page. Thanks.--Halls452 (talk) 14:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

The Total Drama Action Article

Well, I just checked it, and everything seems to be in its correct place and position. The only thing that I saw that may have been out of place (or "not released to public") was Courtney being on the tables. Though, that has been released to the public courtesy of Cake Entertainment; everything else looks fine. -Bbhinton15 (talk) 20:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow. How low can this get???? Anyway, I changed it back to my last edit since it was the most recent correct edit. Hopefully, it will stay this way, though I doubt it. -Bbhinton15 (talk) 05:25, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey! I am now a rollback, which means if someone makes tons of vandalism edits, I can revert all of them with one click. I will be making sure that whoever just messed up the article, and in the future, whoever does, will be banned from Wikipedia for I honestly don't care how long. I don't care if they are infinitely banned. This user also vandalized Bbhinton15's user page, by calling him gay.- TDI19 (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey...

Thanks for telling me. I haven't been on my page here in a while; so that's why I didn't notice it right away. Wish i could report him/her or something. -Bbhinton15 (talk) 01:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

It is really starting to get annoying, with the vandalism.... *sigh* If people want to write fanfiction, there is a wikia for that. I invite you to the Total Drama Wiki. There is a link at the bottom of the TDI page. Just look for me, TDI19, there. I am an admin and featured user! TDI19 (talk) 02:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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H-D-H songs

Hi, Halls. I'm very interested in songs written by H-D-H as I think they're the best songwriters ever, with their music being listened to more than that of even Lennon-McCartney, who are also amongst my favorites. Most of the time right after I log-in to WP, I check the H-D-H songs category to see if there's anything new, or changed. This is how I came into contact with "A Tear..", another page you created. I know we already have Motown Records discography, though I think that's incomplete. I think about tableising it sometimes, but was going to ask input from you and Furious Freddy about it first. All my favorite Supremes songs happened to be written by this trio. After "Forever Came Today", they were really more like Diana Ross & the Andantes up through her last song with them. I usually intend to follow Diana's musical direction over that of the new Supremes, though I did The Supremes timeline for consistancy. Any thoughts, drop me a line! Best, --Discographer (talk) 05:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually I think that's a great idea, but I would run it by the others first. I can't say I'm an expert (cause I'm not) but I'm a big fan of Motown music and have done some research and reading. I'll try to help you as much as I can in finding and posting info.--Halls4521 (talk) 02:18, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Halls... thanks for letting me know about that. Good article you created. Best, --Discographer (talk) 05:18, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays my friend! Best, --Discographer (talk) 06:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

As a great big Motown nerd, I have a complete database of every Motown single to hand to refer to, and it seems someone here might find this useful, so... The HDH-penned songs which were used on Motown singles in the Sixties, but which aren't currently included in the "songwriting highlights" section of their article, are as follows:-

• 1962 Lamont Dozier, "Dearest One" (Melody 102 A)
• 1962 Mary Wells, "Old Love (Let's Try It Again)" (Motown 1032 B)
• 1962 Eddie Holland, "Darling I Hum Our Song" (Motown 1036 A)
• 1963 Martha & the Vandellas, "Jealous Lover" (Gordy 7014 B)
• 1963 Holland-Dozier, "What Comes Up Must Come Down" (Motown 1045 A)
• 1963 Holland-Dozier, "Come On Home" (Motown 1045 B - Janie Bradford credited alongside HDH)
• 1963 The Marvelettes, "Tie A String Around Your Finger" (Tamla 54082 B - Janie Bradford credited alongside HDH)
• 1963 Martha & the Vandellas, "A Love Like Yours (Don't Come Knocking Everyday)" (Gordy 7022 B)
• 1963 The Marvelettes, "He Won't Be True (Little Girl Blue)" (Tamla 54088 B) - I love this one!
• 1963 The Darnells, "Too Hurt To Cry, Too Much In Love To Say Goodbye" (Gordy 7024 A) - bizarre Phil Spector soundalike, well worth tracking down
• 1963 The Darnells, "Come On Home" (Gordy 7024 B) - same as the Holland-Dozier song above
• 1963 The Supremes, "Standing At The Crossroads Of Love" (Motown 1051 B)
• 1963 The Miracles, "I Gotta Dance To Keep From Crying" (Tamla 54089 A)
• 1963 Martha & the Vandellas, "Quicksand" (Gordy 7025 A)
• 1963 Martha & the Vandellas, "Darling I Hum Our Song" (Gordy 7025 B) - same as Eddie Holland above
• 1964 Martha & the Vandellas, "Live Wire" (Gordy 7027 A)
• 1964 Martha & the Vandellas, "Old Love (Let's Try It Again)" (Gordy 7027 B) - same as Mary Wells
• 1964 The Supremes, "I'm Giving You Your Freedom" (Motown 1054 B)
• 1964 R. Dean Taylor, "My Lady Bug Stay Away From That Beatle" (VIP 25005 A, never released - R. Dean Taylor credited alongside HDH)
• 1964 The Andantes, "Like A Nightmare" (VIP 25006 A)
• 1964 The Andantes, "If You Were Mine" (VIP 25006 B)
• 1964 Matha & the Vandellas, "In My Lonely Room" (Gordy 7031 A)
• 1964 Eddie Holland, "Just Ain't Enough Love" (Motown 1058 A)
• 1964 Mary Wells, "Guarantee For A Lifetime" (Motown 1061 B, never released)
• 1964 The Four Tops, "Call On Me" (Motown 1062 B)
• 1964 Eddie Holland, "Candy To Me" (Motown 1063 A)
• 1964 Eddie Holland, "If You Don't Want My Love" (Motown 1063 B)
• 1964 The Supremes, "Ask Any Girl" (Motown 1066 B)
• 1964 Mary Wells, "Whisper You Love Me Boy" (Motown 1065 A, never released)
• 1964 The Supremes, "You're Gone (But Always In My Heart)" (Motown 1068 B) - a lovely song.
• 1964 The Four Tops, "Without The One You Love (Life's Not Worthwhile)" (Motown 1069 A)
• 1964 The Four Tops, "Love Has Gone" (Motown 1069 B)
• 1965 The Four Tops, "Where Did You Go?" (Motown 1073 B)
• 1965 The Supremes, "I'm In Love Again" (Motown 1074 B)
• 1965 Marvin Gaye, "You've Been A Long Time Coming" (Tamla 54112 A)
• 1965 The Supremes, "Whisper You Love Me Boy" (Motown 1075 B) - same as Mary Wells above
• 1965 The Supremes, "The Only Time I'm Happy" (Motown/George Alexander 1079) - limited promo only
• 1965 The Four Tops, "Your Love Is Amazing" (Motown 1081 B)
• 1965 The Supremes, "Mother Dear" (originally Motown 1080 A - never released)
• 1965 The Supremes, "He Holds His Own" (Motown 1080 B)
• 1965 Martha & the Vandellas, "Love (Makes Me Do Foolish Things)" (Gordy 7045 B)
• 1965 The Supremes, "Who Could Ever Doubt My Love" (Motown 1083 A) - maybe my favourite HDH song
• 1965 Tony Martin, "Ask Any Man" (Motown 1088 A) - same as The Supremes above
• 1965 The Supremes, "My World Is Empty Without You" (Motown 1089 A) - can't believe this isn't considered a "highlight", tch
• 1965 The Elgins, "Put Yourself In My Place" (VIP 25029 A, John Thornton credited alongside HDH)
• 1966 The Isley Brothers, "There's No Love Left" (Tamla 54128 B, James Dean credited alongside HDH)
• 1966 The Four Tops, "Just As Long As You Need Me" (Motown 1090 B)
• 1966 Kim Weston, "Helpless" (Gordy 7050 A)
• 1966 Kim Weston, "A Love Like Yours (Don't Come Knocking Everyday)" (Gordy 7050 B) - same as Martha & the Vandellas above
• 1966 Shorty Long, "Call On Me" (Soul 35021 B)
• 1966 The Supremes, "He's All I Got" (Motown 1094 B, James Dean credited alongside HDH)
• 1966 The Isley Brothers, "Who Could Ever Doubt My Love" (Tamla 54133 B) - same as The Supremes above
• 1966 The Four Tops, "I Like Everything About You" (Motown 1096 B)
• 1966 The Isley Brothers, "I Guess I'll Always Love You" (Tamla 54135 A)
• 1966 Jr. Walker & the All-Stars, "Nothing But Soul" (Soul 35024 B)
• 1966 Chris Clark, "Love's Gone Bad" (VIP 25038 A)
• 1966 Chris Clark, "Put Yourself In My Place" (VIP 25038 B) - same as The Elgins above
• 1966 The Supremes, "Put Yourself In My Place" (Motown 1097 B) - same as The Elgins above
• 1966 Marvin Gaye, "Little Darling (I Need You)" (Tamla 54138 A)
• 1966 The Four Tops, "Until You Love Someone" (Motown 1098 B)
• 1966 The Elgins, "Stay In My Lonely Arms" (VIP 25037 B)
• 1966 The Supremes, "Mother You, Smother You" (Motown 1101 B, never released, R. Dean Taylor credited alongside HDH)
• 1966 The Supremes, "Remove This Doubt" (Motown 1101 B)
• 1966 The Four Tops, "Since You've Been Gone" (Motown 1102 B)
• 1967 The Supremes, "There's No Stopping Us Now" (Motown 1103 B)
• 1967 Shorty Long, "Your Love Is Amazing" (Soul 35031 B) - same as The Four Tops above
• 1967 Martha & the Vandellas, "Third Finger, Left Hand" (Gordy 7058 B)
• 1967 The Four Tops, "I Got A Feeling" (Motown 1104 B)
• 1967 Barbara McNair, "My World Is Empty Without You" (Motown 1106 B) - same as The Supremes above
• 1967 The Supremes, "All I Know About You" (Motown 1107 B, Frank DeVol credited alongside HDH)
• 1967 The Isley Brothers, "Just Ain't Enough Love" (Tamla 54146 B) - same as Eddie Holland above
• 1967 The Four Tops, "I'll Turn To Stone" (Motown 1110 B)
• 1967 The Elgins, "I Understand My Man" (VIP 25043 B)
• 1967 Marvin Gaye, "Your Unchanging Love" (Tamla 54143 A)
• 1967 Marvin Gaye, "I'll Take Care Of You" (Tamla 54143 B)
• 1967 Diana Ross & the Supremes, "Going Down For The Third Time" (Motown 1111 B)
• 1967 Martha & the Vandellas, "One Way Out" (Gordy 7062 B)
• 1967 The Four Tops, "You Keep Running Away" (Motown 1113 A)
• 1967 The Four Tops, "If You Don't Want My Love" (Motown 1113 B)
• 1967 Barbara Randolph, "I Got A Feeling" (Soul 35038 A)
• 1967 Diana Ross & the Supremes, "I Guess I'll Always Love You" (Motown 1116 B) - same as Isley Brothers above
• 1968 Chris Clark, "Whisper You Love Me Boy" (Motown 1121 A) - same as Mary Wells above
• 1969 The Originals, "We've Got A Way Out Love" (Soul 35036 A)

... And breathe. Plenty to listen to there! 90.198.51.31 (talk) 01:05, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!!!--Halls4521 (talk) 02:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Halls, and hi Mr. anon - well, this looks great, though we'd need all the songs that's already listed in the H-D-H article also listed here on Halls talk page (in chronological order), so we can put this all in chronological order on the H-D-H page. Also, if all the catalogue info is included on this talk page (record label numbers, etc.), then Halls and I can copy all that from here onto that page. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! Best, --Discographer (talk) 14:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The Supremes and Four Tops are taken care of... Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Halls, we're almost done with this - only 17 more songs from the above list to be added in, then we're done! It can be done before this month ends. Best, --Discographer (talk) 01:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

 Done! Best, --Discographer (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Excellent, great work. (I'm the anon who had nothing better to do than type up a giant list of songs up there, albeit now posting from work). Anyway! I'm working on a crazily-ambitious project to review every single Motown, er, single (Willgee the Miracles expert below has already linked to a couple of my reviews on some Miracles song pages) at http://motownjunkies.wordpress.com; please feel free to take whatever discographical stuff you want from there as it builds. 84.92.8.221 (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey Thanks,Anon! Willgee here! I want to let you know your Miracles reviews are GREAT! Also thanks for giving me permission to provide links for them . I will write articles soon for The Miracles' songs, Ain't It Baby, Broken Hearted,"A Love She Can Count On", "Happy Landing" and (You Cant Let The Boy Overpower) The Man in You. I see that you've already written articles on two of these. I still haven't written articles for several of the group's post 1967 songs, like "Who's Gonna Take The Blame" , "Satisfaction",and "We've Come Too Far To End It Now", but , I want to finish the earlier songs first. A request: Can you please consider doing reviews on more of The Contours'songs ? I just finished writing one on their Smokey Robinson composed "B" side hit, That Day When She Needed Me , and it's hit "A" side Can You Jerk Like Me . I'd like to (and will),write more soon, but The Contours' relative obscurity compared to other first generation Motown groups means reviews of their songs are few and far between. Any help you can give will be welcome . Thanks again, Willgee (Willgee (talk) 13:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC))

Thanks Willgee. (Me again). I'm doing the reviews in purely chronological order, aiming at a rate of one a day; I've covered the first two Contours singles and their B-sides so far, but there'll be more to come fairly soon. The next Contours record up is Do You Love Me which should be ready next month or so at this rate. 90.198.51.237 (talk) 07:18, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, people... I just checked out Anon's Motown Junkies web page and I think it's quite good! Question though, is this just for singles releases in the USA, or is it for worldwide releases, too? Also, if this includes all the UK releases along-side the US ones, then this listing can be incorporated into the Motown discography page that I'm working on! What say thee, people? Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S. note - Out of respect for Anon, if I copy these singles titles onto the Motown discography page, we will link his web page in that article so people will know the source of information and where it originally came from (i.e., reference cite). Best, --Discographer (talk) 21:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The singles titles listed on Anon's web site only lists US releases, so on the Motown discography page I've also included the UK releases. I will work at the same pace Anon works at with his reviews, so to be in sync, though I'll keep listing the UK releases as well. Best, --Discographer (talk) 10:09, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, the citation is appreciated. (I've amended the link so it points to the index of reviews, rather than just the generic home page - it was skewing my stats a bit. A bot reverted the link, but I changed it back again, hopefully that'll be the end of that!)

On the subject of the UK singles (and let me point out at the offset I'm British myself)... I might add a page somewhere on my site with a list of the singles' release dates in the UK (and/or a note on each record's individual page as to when it was released in Britain) but otherwise there didn't seem to be much point, since no Motown material came out in the UK before the US (although a couple of tracks were released as singles in the UK first, most notably The Tears of a Clown and I'm Still Waiting, they'd been available on US albums for ages beforehand).

Oh yeah, and Paul Gayten's "The Hunch" / "Hot Cross Buns" isn't a Motown single - it was released on Anna Records in the US and licensed to London American along with a few of the late-50s/early-60s Motown releases which had also come out on, or been distributed by, Anna in the US. Confusing, I know; up until early 1961, Anna was the bigger label and had much better distribution in the US and internationally, and so a few Motown releases were licensed to Anna for better sales - most notably Money (That's What I Want), which sold a lot more copies on Anna than its limited Tamla release, and Shop Around, which was also reissued for national distribution.

90.198.51.237 (talk) 14:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello Halls4521! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to insure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. if you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 2 article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:

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Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 20:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

More Portal ideas....

Buzzzsherman, per your request... here are some more suggestions of articles to make portals for:

• The Beach Boys
• The Jackson 5/The Jacksons
• The Temptations
• The Miracles
• The Vandellas

Let me know what you think of them. Thanks. --Halls4521 (talk) 01:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I have np doing them ...But that will take time ...I have a few more still to do!! ..But it will be done!!! If we do The Jackson 5 we will have to do Janet to...PS Wikiprojects with assessments is what the Portal boss's like to see!! :) ...Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Update #1 --->The Beach Boys....Buzzzsherman (talk) 02:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Update #2 ok i think i will start The Jackson 5 today or tomorrow...BUT i cant make portals out of the last 3 as they all need lots of references..There is a portal Nazi that will delete info from portals if the info is not sourced in the article what is odd is he/she leaves articles alone!!!..So i am worried that all my work on those portals will be deleted as the articles do not cite citations properly... however may be i will take the next month and fix the articles !!..Buzzzsherman (talk) 18:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The Temptations discography

Hi Halls, I've worked a bit on this fixing up the singles, now all that's left is to move the entire albums section (its in the wrong place) ahead of the singles section and work on those. That's gonna take a lot of work and time. Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:06, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Discographer, Just saw your updates and they look great. Keep up the good work!--Halls4521 (talk) 02:27, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Diana Ross discography

Hi, Halls! Can you click on this please, and check out in the Compilation albums section the 1985 album Dance Songs. It shows that this album was released by K-Tel (of France), when all the other albums we have listed are by either Motown, RCA or EMI, all three of which Diana was contracted to. She was never contracted by K-Tel, and if this album gets to stay in the discography, then I fear that many more non-official compilation albums will turn up here. Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks my friend, on both comments! Best, --Discographer (talk) 08:13, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

A Tear from a Woman's Eyes

Hi, Halls... according to this article (of which I remember when you created it), "A Tear from a Woman's Eyes" ...would be the first of only two times H-D-H would produce any material for The Temptations, ...who would also later cover The Vandellas' "I'm Ready for Love", which was not produced by H-D-H. So, what is the name of that second song which H-D-H produced for The Temptations? Was it "Just One Last Look", which H-D-H wrote? Best, --Discographer (talk) 14:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Correct on all counts!! Since Berry Gordy, Smokey Robinson, and Norman Whitfield were the main ones with control of the group's released material, they successfully blocked H-D-H from releasing any of these songs as singles. "Just One Last Look" would end up as album filler for Temptations With A Lot o' Soul, while "A Tear from a Woman's Eyes" would stay in the vaults until the compilation Emperors of Soul. And The Four Tops also recorded "Just One Last Look" as well!! (And The Tempts version does sound a bit like a Four Tops recording.) --Halls4521 (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Halls, I just had to know. I hope someday you might create an article for "Just One Last Look". Best, --Discographer (talk) 16:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:The Temptations singles

Check this out, Halls! I was going to format it like Template:the Supremes singles, but it would've been way too long. Best, --Discographer (talk) 19:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

That's OK. I'll see what I can do to help on it. BTW, on the B-side to "You're My Everything" we might have to make a Miracles singles template as well since they recorded and released that song first.--Halls4521 (talk) 19:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good! Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Templates for the Miracles

To: Discographer, Willgee, & Buzzzsherman:

Hi! Just wanted to let you know that I've just created some templetes for The Miracles: Template:The Miracles Template:The Miracles singles

There maybe a few things on both that'll need improvement, but at least it's a start.

Thanks.--Halls4521 (talk) 04:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Halls, the singles template is looking good. I just got done with Template:Four Tops singles. Maybe next should be one for The Vandellas. Best, --Discographer (talk) 04:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

Hi, Halls... Yesterday I was going to ask Buzz/Moxy about turning this into a portal, until I found that he said (here on your talk page) that it needs lots more references, so I stopped short on that. When the time comes, I think both of these should be in the same (Miracles) portal. I know The Miracles discography needs worked on, as well as the templates; also, Smokey needs a discography page and templates created. I'd like to see The Temptations, Four Tops, and The Vandellas turned into portals, too, but Moxy says they need lots of references also. I want to begin work on Smokey if you might contunue on with The Miracles, and we could help one another out on each of these, if you don't mind. I don't know why Moxy hasn't created The Jacksons portal yet. It's good and ready to go! Best, --Discographer (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just worked on some inprovements on the Miracles template. Let me know what you think. Anyway, that's a great idea. I see (when I get the time) to re-format The Miracles discography so it'll be more similar to The Supremes and The Temptations discographies. Thanks again and Good Luck on the Smokey articles/discography.--Halls4521 (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Oops... You've beat me to it. Thanks again. --Halls4521 (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Great job with the templates! I just finished the discography page, as well as Smokey's discography and templates. Well, that wraps that up with Smokey Robinson & The Miracles. By the way, have you seen The Vandellas' templates and discography. If not, please have a look! Good working with you Halls! Best, --Discographer

Great job on The Miracles' templates, Halls! It really helps in establishing a musical history and well-deserved importance on the group. The Miracles have been the Rodney Dangerfields of Motown. They dont get enough respect. Despite this,they are the single most important act to ever walk through Motown's doors.They were the label's first act, the first singer-songwriters,had the first Gold Record, and were the only Motown act that had a consistant string of hit records covering the first 5 years of the label's existance.Their hits virtually kept the label alive from it's formation in 1959-1964, yet many people today tend to give more credit to the Motown artists that came after The Miracles. (particularly the Temptations and Supremes,) due to their bigger pop success.Some of these naysayers (the RRHOF Induction Comittee, in particular), have even gone so far as to deny them entry into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But,I was present in Hollywood on March 20th, 2009,when The Miracles recieved their long-overdue star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.(and videotaped the entire event, I might add) I was there when "The Chairman" himself, Motown founder Berry Gordy Jr. said: "without The Miracles, Motown would not be the Motown it is today. Who would know better than him, since he ,and they, were there from the beginning. Then I realized that, part of the reason the Miracles have been ignored all these years, is because no one had ever taken the time to write a detailed history of this group and their many ground-breaking accomplishments in the music industry.So about 3 years ago, I started doing research, contributing info of what I personally knew about the group with the facts I had learned later. I think now people are finally realizing something that Miracles fans had known all along: The Miracles should have been enshrined into the RRHOF over 2 decades ago. Also, I meant to ask you: is there any chance that more of the Miracles album covers can be displayed on their respective Wikipedia sites ? (such as Renaissance,since Wikipedia already has a free image of it? Also the group's "1957-1972", "Flying High Together", "I Like It Like That", and "The Miracles:Depend On Me (the early Albums) I have provided links to the album covers on the articles I wrote, but to have them displayed with the articles is even better. Again, many thanks for your help. It is greatly appreciated !-Willgee (talk)Willgee (talk) 22:57, 31 March 2010 (UTC) .

Marv Tarplin

Hi,Halls! Willgee here. an unknown editor seems to be going to great lengths to remove Marv Tarplin from inclusion in The Miracles' legacy, despite the fact that Motown Records'original liner notes on The Miracles' first 4 albums all list him as an original group member. I don't know if it's a personal issue or not, but there is far more evidence verifying his membership in the Miracles , than this editor's insistance that he is not. This person always uses the term "some sources". I wouldn't exactly call that verifiable.This editor may or may not have a personal grudge against Mr Tarplin, but, again ,Marv's name has been , and still is ,indelibly linked with The Miracles , and his contributions to the group were monumental.In the Miracles 2006 "Definitive Performances" DVD , Smokey himself acknowledges Marv as a member of the group, and as recently as in the 2009 Motown release, The Miracles-Depend On Me:The Early Albums (2009) Marv is still acknowledged as an original Miracles member (not to mention even pictured on the cover). Despite this , this person keeps deleting his name from The Miracles ' Wikipedia article for reasons unknown.Maybe someone ought to give this person a Motown History book. All The Best - ----Willgee (talk)

Yeah, I've just saw that. This is similar to what the editor named Kimber did back in October (I've remembered it and checked the history tab to make sure). In both cases apparently the only valid source or reference is his/her/themselves. As we know listing yourself as a source is not enough nor is saying you have sources and not list them. Also deleting proven sources/references is vandalism. We may have to let him/her/them know that on their user talk/discussion tab.--Halls4521 (talk) 22:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Halls ...Willgee here. Yeah, I wish she'd stop. I've put a lot of time and research in compiling The Miracles' history, and it's really annoying to have someone come along and vandalize your work. Where was she (or he) when I was compiling all of this info ? She made no effort whatsoever to help me when I was originally putting it together,But now she deletes it every few days, and puts her own spin on the article.... with no verifiable sources except his or her own word. Is there anything you can do ? ----Willgee (talk)

The Marvelettes

Thanks for the message Halls. I'm trying to figure out what to do next, there's so much to choose from! I wanted to turn this into a discography page, but the Marvelettes released so few albums - the only way it'd work is by their singles. I'm not going to bother for now, unless someone else does, that's great! I might work on it sometime in the near future if no one already has. I think that a portal should be made for Marvin Gaye this coming Thursday, as you already know, this Thursday and Friday are his "anniversary" dates. Maybe Brotha Timothy will persuade Moxy to do this. Best, --Discographer (talk) 14:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

H-D-H songs list

Those two Michael Jackson songs from 1975 aren't really H-D-H songs, as Lamont Dozier had already split a year-and-a-half earler. If they're included, then the five 1970s "New" Supremes singles written by the Holland brothers should also be included. What do you say? Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:58, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Halls! Can you take another good look at this, and see if we're missing anything, please? Thanks! Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, the best, and authorative place to look, is here at BMI. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 20:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks Rich! Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

"Mother Dear"

Hi Halls, I have a question??? On "Mother Dear", infobox shows as its B-side "He Holds His Own" (which can be verified as Motown single #1080 - which was then cancelled, and is definately true) and also shows "Who Could Ever Doubt My Love" (I didn't even know this!). I thought that "Who Could Ever Doubt My Love" was only for release intention as the B-side of "I Hear a Symphony". ??? Please fill me in on this, Halls, as you created this article (among others, that is). This is something that I'm not even aware of, and I'm a huge fan of The Supremes! Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

P.S., oh I found it, in the "I Hear a Symphony" article... Best, --Discographer (talk) 21:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Category:Songs written by Otis Williams (Temptations)

If you have no objections I am going to rename this category "Songs written by Otis Williams" - the disambig is unnecessary. --Richhoncho (talk) 03:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

No objections. I only did so because when I tried it that way a song "pop" up that was written by the "Otis Williams" from Otis Williams and the Charms. It maybe just needs a simple removing of the song from the category. Thanks anyway.--Halls4521 (talk) 04:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Cindy Birdsong

Hi Halls, do you have any idea on whether Cindy was born in 1939 or possibly 1944? The reason I'm asking this, is because of the last few edits done on her article (please check this out, if you will). Thanks as always! Best, --Discographer (talk) 22:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I just found out it is 1939, so we stand correct! Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

List of The Supremes members

Hi Halls, click on this link please, and see the edits I reverted. Honestly, I never even heard of this girl. Best, --Discographer (talk) 02:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Discographer, sorry it been so long but I've been busy lately only able to check things here briefly (every once in a while). Yeah, I don't think she even existed (at least as a group member or even a fill-in). I wish people would stop things like that. Best wishes.--Halls4521 (talk) 02:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Halls, sorry for taking so long in responding, I was waiting for you to finish these two books first. Looks good. For sort-as, The is not needed, the book will still show up in the categories with it in there. Best, --Discographer (talk) 01:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

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Good job with this Halls! One thing I did for you as I presume you forgot to do, and that was adding the categories at the bottom of the book's page. Best, --Discographer (talk) 08:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid it did slip my mind. Thanks for adding it in. I was trying to get everything in there correctly (or at least as much as I possibly could, so I'm hopeful everything else is right. Once again, Thanks.--Halls4521 (talk) 11:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Halls, my dear friend, have a Happy New Year's and let us please remain as brothers! Thanks! Best, --Discographer (talk) 22:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks my friend, as always! Best, --Discographer (talk) 23:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Halls! Whether you get this message in time, Gladys Horton is very seriously ill, and I wanted to ask might you keep a look-out on this, please (articles may need amended)? Thanks! Best, --Discographer (talk) 01:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

She's in the "pray-for-her" stage as we speak. Best, --Discographer (talk) 01:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Best, --Discographer (talk) 01:38, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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Gordy family

Hi Halls, well, you're pretty good at things like this, so I wanted to ask if possibly you'd be able to find out the missing and the correct birth dates of the Gordy siblings. The ones we need are George Gordy's birth date, and Anna Gordy Gaye's correct birth date - as two dates exist, 12 Dec 1921 and 7 Mar 1922. If anybody would know, it would be Bianca Lawson's mother Denise Gordy. Denise, the daughter of Berry's brother George, is the biological mother of Marvin Gaye's (who is really the biological father, not adoptive) son and Anna is the adoptive mother. Though Gaye denied this in a book, family secrets began coming out after he died. What a soap opera! Best, --Discographer (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Discographer, how have things been going? Sorry but things have recently been a bit hectic so I wasn’t able to respond until now. Anyway I won’t make any promises but I’ll try my best to come up with some info. Thanks.--Halls4521 (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Paul McCartney & Diana Ross duet

Hi Halls, wouldn't this be fascinating! It'd probably be a big hit, too. Now, if only we can get these two together to make this happen. I think a music video to go along with the song with these two would be smashing if they were holding hands with each other, at least for a moment, in one of those earthly surreal scenes, (maybe a quick kiss, too) as physical contact is quite noticale and, psychologically speaking, would improve the overall outcome of this potential single's future sales as an act of emotion is quite appealing to females. Best, --Discographer (talk) 15:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

It would be interesting what it would take to work out a deal to bring this together.--Halls4521 (talk) 18:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

The Temptations "Lost And Found" Songs

Hi Halls. I am just curious to know for which albums each song from the Temptations "Lost And Found" CD were for. I can see the ones from the With A Lot O' Soul album, but what about the others? Also, with all the outtakes including the 3 classics from Emperors of Soul, they had enough songs to make a double album that year.

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Hello Discographer and Willgee,

"Just One Last Look" has been (finally) created as an article. I'm sure there maybe a few things I've left out or even got wrong so give me a few days and then edit/correct/link as needed.--Halls4521 (talk) 16:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Halls4521 !!! Willgee here. How have you been ? I hope you are doing well.

Could you please do me a favor ? I recently completed an article on The Miracles' 1962 unreleased album, The Miracles Sing Modern.Tamla T234. Could you please read the article for me and check all of the ref links to verify that it existed, as another editor has nominated it for deletion under the grounds that it was a "hoax" and never existed. The album was actually listed in the liner notes booklet in the 1994 Smokey Robinson & The Miracles: The 35th Anniversary Collection box set on "The Miracles'Albums on page 63, as Tamla TM234 (or T234),and it's impending release was even advertised on the rear cover liner notes of The Miracles' 1962 album, "I'll Try Something New". Could you please research my proof of this and vote, if you find it valid, at this page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Miracles Sing Modern . Please... check my proof , and the links I posted and vote "delete" or "keep" . Here's more : . Many Thanks,Willgee (talk) 08:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

I would think the CD Liner notes would be enough proof. However, some people also believe that CD Liner notes are unreliable and bias. Do you have the "Lost & Found: Along Came Love (1958-1964) CD? " If so, does it have anything in it liner notes to add further proof? One more thing, some will say that if the single, album, video or CD was canceled then it is no longer real and thus never existed because it wasn't released (especially if it is canceled before the official track listing is made [of which that mock you found would NOT count]). Maybe make note of the canceled album (using the liner notes as reference) in the main article instead.--Halls4521 (talk) 22:47, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Why are you changing them? And why were the parameters changed from the broad term "casualties" to the narrow term "fatalities?" Master of Time (talk) 02:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

If you mean the parameters for the storm infobox template, I didn't change it. But I notice a few month's back that a lot of the death/injury count for the storms' infoboxes suddenly ceased displaying; it was the ones that had "casualties" as a category for deaths and injuries. Apparently, some used "fatalities" and some used "casualties", and the "fatalities" were still displayed while "casualties" was not. I also looked at the inbox template for storms and saw it was using "total fatalities" only. I went to both the Non-tropical storms project talk page and the storms' infobox template talk page and asked if we could comform the death/injury count (so all the ones that had them would be displayed). After receiving no response, and seeing that the infobox template still only used "total fatalities", I started changing the ones using "casualties" so all the storm infoboxes would all match.--Halls4521 (talk) 02:54, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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References for Tornadoes of 1950 to Tornadoes of 1957.

A problem I was hoping to avoid has just reared its ugly head.

My main Tornadoes of 1956 page, as well as the two 1953 outbreak pages I made, were reviewed yesterday. I was alarmed to find that the 1956 page was slapped with a "lack of references" tag, so I quickly went back to it and added THP refs to all the sections. I then had to go back to them again today because I messed up the beginning part of the website. (I put https:// instead of http://)

So what's my problem? Most of the other main page articles are lacking these references as well. In addition, I'm using a flip phone to make these additions and I can't just copy-paste the template for refs. Therefore, I need a favor from you: can you please put in the THP refs and place them in the correct template for the years 1950-1957? I would really appreciate it. I'm still working on 1958-1965 so don't do those yet, but I will let you know when I'm done each of those years.

Also, thanks for your edits on User:ChessEric/June 20–23, 1957 tornado outbreak sequence page! Hopefully, I can get enough done on it on Sunday to publish it.ChessEric (talk) 23:44, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric:: Sorry I wasn't able to reply until now, but I"ll try to help you out with those links when I can.--Halls4521 (talk) 04:34, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks man! I owe you one! Also, waiting 5 hours for a Wikipedia response is no big deal! LOL! ChessEric (talk) 05:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

1958 is done.ChessEric (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help!ChessEric (talk) 22:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

1959 is done. Some of the sources are templated already though.ChessEric (talk) 22:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric:: Okay, sounds good. --Halls4521 (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Tornadoes of 1960 is done.ChessEric (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

And with the completion of the Hurricane Carla tornado outbreak, the Tornadoes of 1961 page is officially completed!ChessEric (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Tornadoes of 1962 is done excluding the long article I'm still working on. I'm going to make another section.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 02:12, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Cincy tornado outbreak sequence move

The Tornado outbreak sequence of August 8-10, 1969 needs a major revamp so I will be pulling it and putting on my page so that me and CapeVerdeWave can work on it.ChessEric (talk) 04:52, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric:, @CapeVerdeWave:: Sounds good to me. Also, you both might also want to work on the 1924 Lorain tornado and 1927 St. Louis tornado articles (maybe make an outbreak section, or turn the article into an outbreak article with a section for those tornadoes). I was also wondering if we should go ahead and create an article for the 1959 St. Louis tornado (and/or it's outbreak)?--Halls4521 (talk) 22:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave: The 1959 St. Louis tornado outbreak will be getting a page. I just haven't gotten around to it and plus I can't decide whether to name it Tornado outbreak of February 9–10, 1959, 1959 Tornado outbreak of St. Louis, or 1959 St. Louis tornado outbreak. Those older pages are not something I can work on because I don't have a Grazulis book unfortunately.ChessEric (talk) 23:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric: I like both Tornado outbreak of February 9–10, 1959 and 1959 St. Louis tornado outbreak. equally, but it might be best to use the former since this is a (soon to be) new article.--Halls4521 (talk) 23:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave: Also check my (very, very old) question on the 1936 Tupelo–Gainesville outbreak article concerning if we should (slightly) expand the mentioning of how the Gainesville tornado was actually two tornadoes (but officially counted as one) and similar to 1965 Dunlap/Elkhart, Indiana and 2014 Pilger, Nebraska (as well as in a way 1922 Austin, Texas).--Halls4521 (talk) 23:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave: Article is already up, although the name can be changed later.ChessEric (talk) 00:05, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave: This article is coming out so well that I'm going to try to get it to at least "Good Article" status. Can one of you guys help by making a meteorological synopsis? Thanks! ChessEric (talk) 04:37, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric:: Appearently August 9, 1969 was "the most August tornadoes in Indiana during a single event" untill August 15, 2016; it's now the third most(?) according to this article.[1]] --Halls4521 (talk) 02:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

It really is the forgotten oubreak isn't it? LOL! Anyway, thanks for the info. You can put that in the article. Also thanks for setting up the April 1961 outbreak sequence. It is now completed. By the way, when I complete the May 1961 outbreak sequence, do you want to keep the sandbox?ChessEric (talk) 01:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric::Actually, I'm just going to make another sandbox later when I get more time. Thanks. BTW, you've done a great job on all the new and proposed articles, they look fantastic.--Halls4521 (talk) 02:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Yeah thanks. Much of the extra stuff I found through the storm data for this last page was completely random finds while scrolling through looking for tornado damage so...yeah. Glad I saw it! LOL! Not going to lie, though; its taxing and starting to get a little obsessed with it, which is taking away from my studies and such. My Summer semester ends tonight, but don't be surprised if I take I hiatus for awhile in the future. By the way, thanks for adding ratings to your outbreaks. Can you do it on the pages I have as well and also make a Hurricane Carla tornado outbreak page? Formatting is a pain in the butt sometimes. LOL!ChessEric (talk) 03:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric:: I'll see about making the page in a few days. And I'll get started on adding ratings to some more of the articles. --Halls4521 (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Two Proposed Articles...

@ChessEric:, @CapeVerdeWave:: I have two articles I was hoping to officially create and finish if possible. I've been increasing busy lately, and further hampered by the libraries in my area being either closed or having very limited access. I'll still try to do some work on these and to help out with other articles while possible. If you think either of these article are a good idea, you can add them to your list as well (if you want to that is). Thank You.--Halls4521 (talk) 12:35, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

I almost literally have like articles coming out my ears now and main articles to still complete not to mention that I still am working on the Tornado emergencies list and trying to figure out how to set up the Tornadoes of 1949 page...but thanks for making those, especially the first one because I was going to make that one anyway. I will help when I can.ChessEric (talk) 13:22, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave:: I'm so sorry, Halls! I completely forgot that the April 1961 outbreak was the one you made so I needed to consult you first! Please forgive me! ChessEric (talk) 22:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric::It's ok, thanks.--Halls4521 (talk) 23:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Outbreak slots and disambig. links

Can you add the slot entries for the tornadoes on the dates of my outbreak pages? I can't do that right now. Also, can you fix the disambig. links that came up on my talk page? I don't have the time to look for them in the articles.ChessEric (talk) 21:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Working on another outbreak

@CapeVerdeWave: I will be working on making an article for the tornado outbreak caused by Hurricane Isaias for a little while. I will get back to updating the older outbreaks and years when I'm done.ChessEric (talk) 21:17, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave: I'm back now! LOL!ChessEric (talk) 03:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Data boxes and another outbreak

I know its going to be a pain in the you-know-what, but can you make tables for this outbreak for me? Also, March 30-31, 1962 is also getting a page. Can you make that? Thanks!ChessEric (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric:: Yes, I'll make it tomorrow.--Halls4521 (talk) 10:34, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks bro!ChessEric (talk) 12:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Hurricane Carla outbreak lacking data

@CapeVerdeWave: Storm Data has NO information from Louisiana for September 1961 because the state missed the printing deadline. This is going to be problematic as the coordinates are WAY off for at least one of the tornadoes from the Hurricane Carla tornado outbreak, but I have no way of telling where it is supposed to be. Do you have a Grazulis book? Otherwise, I'm going to have wait for CapeVerdeWave to enter in data for Louisiana before this article can be published.ChessEric (talk) 04:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

@ChessEric:: Sorry, I had borrowed Grazulis' book from the library thur my state's system some months back and had to send it back. Due to having very limited access to the state's system, it'll be good while before I can get it again. I'll still try help out when I can.--Halls4521 (talk) 12:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Never mind. The data was in the December issue. LOL!ChessEric (talk) 22:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Re:Tornado outbreak sequence of May 3–9, 1961

Pinging User:ChessEric, as a major contibutor.

I just reviewed this article. I feel that the prose delves too far into WP:FANCRUFT on the topic, and that writing more concise prose, and sometimes summarising events, would be more beneficial to readers. I marked it as reviewed none-the-less but please consider my advice. Regards, Zindor (talk) 13:37, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Zindor: I'm not so sure what you mean be this. This event caused major damage and loss of life, which is the criteria I used in deciding to make the page. I could see if you said that about some of my earlier outbreak pages as I was inexperienced, but this was seven days of prolific tornado activity that caused millions of dollars in damage and 20+ causalities. I do appreciate what you are saying though and will try to use that advice for the future, but I would like some clarification on why this outbreak seems to be more WP:FANCRUFT then informative.ChessEric (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm mainly referring to strands of prose that have too many minor details about the situation. I think the article could be more condensed, that's all. I appreciate both of your work on these articles; they are neat and interesting.

I agree with your assessment of the topic and i marked the page as reviewed/patrolled because it was a clearly significant event, and would definitely be kept at AfD. But strictly speaking the policy for inclusion would be WP:GNG and i've had a hard time assessing your other tornado outbreak articles against it, because there is a lack of significant coverage in the sources. If these weather events are notable it shouldn't be too hard to find significant coverage(perhaps in newspapers etc) to establish notability.

Tomorrow i'll post some clarification about this over at your talk page ChessEric. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 20:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Zindor: Ah...I understand now. My earlier outbreaks were plagued by my inexperience of finding sources for damage reports, hence they were EXTREMELY vague (CapeVerdeWave was absolute lifesaver thanks to his inclusion of Grazulis info). I now use not only the Tornado History Projects, but also the NCDC as well Storm Data and CDNS reports for the outbreaks, so I'm better equipped to make them now. Additionally, I do plan to go back to my older outbreak pages and update them so that they meet the WP:GNG criteria. However, I will say that my Autism does cause me to get carried away and over-explain things at times. I apologize for that. Just let me know what I need to condense and I will do so. Even though I've become well-established in the six months I've been editing, I do acknowledge that I'm still somewhat new here and have a lot still to learn. Again, thanks for your feedback and I look forward to hearing from you again.ChessEric (talk) 21:00, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Tornado outbreak sequence of May 14–June 1, 1962 article

The Tornado outbreak sequence of May 14–June 1, 1962 has literally been taking MONTHS to complete and I'm exhausted. Can I get a little help with the table here? I can do everything else, but looking at those specific tables right now is giving me the hebby jebbies since I'm doing this all myself! LOL!ChessEric (talk · contribs) 02:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

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Tornado Stats. (Will need more improvements.)

@ChessEric:, @CapeVerdeWave:, @TornadoLGS:: I've made a couple of charts (Tornado Statistics) for two Historical Tornado Outbreaks. (I was only able to have time to get the info it has so far this past weekend, and may not be able to get more time for a while. And could get the info from a library book I'm returning tomorrow.) Please check them out if you want. (See here.)--Halls4521 (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

If you're using Significant Tornadoes I already own a copy. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:53, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@TornadoLGS: That's the book I was using. Sorry, the charts are kinda "rough," but let me know if they're any good, or even needed. Thanks.--Halls4521 (talk) 21:01, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, those pages could use charts. I have one for the March 1875 Southeast tornado outbreak. But I think Grazulis uses average width instead of max width. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:09, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@TornadoLGS: You're right. I'll replace those with N/A. Thanks.--Halls4521 (talk) 21:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I just edited the table for the 1875 outbreak to better reflect the book. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll try, but without a historical book of the events, I'm of little help.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 21:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@ChessEric::That's Ok. As of tomorrow, that'll apply to me as well, at least untill I have time to rent Significant Tornadoes from the library again, when it's available (Can't afford to buy it even used currently, what few are out there for sale).--Halls4521 (talk) 21:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@TornadoLGS:: Just did the same. Still a bit rough, but it looks a bit better. (The table over on the 1875 outbreak article looks great.) --Halls4521 (talk) 21:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. On another note, I just got peer review comments back on a paper, so that may take up a lot of my time. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:23, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@Halls4521::That's Ok, thanks. --Halls4521 (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave:, @ChessEric:, @TornadoLGS:: I, too, own copies of both volumes of Significant Tornadoes and am happy to be of assistance, as time permits. Also, rather coincidentally, I am working to finish Halls4521's article on the outbreak associated with Hurricane Hilda, but, as can be seen, I need some help with the chart concerning impacts by region. Does anyone care to help me complete the chart or offer instructions as to how I may do so? Thank you. In the meantime, I am perusing my sources for information to add to the lists. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 09:29, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Multiple currencies in article

@Halls4521, TornadoLGS, and United States Man: I am working on a draft concerning the 1985 U.S.–Canada tornado outbreak. Given that some of the tornadoes occurred in Canada and others in the U.S., I am working with multiple currencies—US$ and C$—for the damages. How should I account for this in the outbreak info-box, outbreak statistics, and individual tornado summaries? Assistance would be greatly appreciated. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 10:07, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave: I'm a bit confused here, since there is already an article for that outbreak, unless you plan for the draft to replace the current article? I figure listing the total in both U.S. and Canadian currency. A minor formatting note for the draft: Canadian dollars should be abbreviated as "CAD" rather than "C$." TornadoLGS (talk) 16:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@TornadoLGS, Halls4521, and United States Man: I am using the draft to reorganise and replace the existing article on the outbreak. Regarding formatting: how should I list the damage totals in the various info-boxes? Under "Outbreak statistics," the chart lists totals in USD; the total for Ontario is listed as CAD elsewhere, but I converted the value to USD and applied to the chart. I am trying to combine the templates {{To USD}} and {{nts}}; how may I do so? For a tornado that affected Canada only, should I convert the Canadian to U.S. dollars and list that as well? CapeVerdeWave (talk) 16:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I would make everything in 1985 USD and just mention the conversion from CAD. United States Man (talk) 18:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave and United States Man: At least for right now, I agree. Just keep the chart/template showing the damage totals in USD, and have conversions of the amount in the article. A lot of the charts for weather damage totals do use USD, and most of the tornadoes were in the U.S., so I would just convert "CAD" to "USD", and have it mentioned as the amount in 1985 USD.--Halls4521 (talk) 00:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Halls4521, United States Man, TornadoLGS, and User-duck: Thank you. On another note, does anyone wish to be of assistance in helping me complete part of the draft? In particular, does anyone wish to write up the summaries for the Canadian tornadoes in this list, so that I may incorporate them into the main draft? CapeVerdeWave (talk) 16:19, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@Halls4521, United States Man, TornadoLGS, and User-duck: On another note, is the Storm Events Database down? I am receiving a HTTP Status 404 error message. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 16:19, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@CapeVerdeWave: Looks like it is down, I'm getting the same error message. Maybe try it tomorrow, or Monday.--Halls4521 (talk) 17:48, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

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March 1961 outbreaks need articles

I hate to ask so much of you, but can you start up articles for all three of the March 1961 tornado outbreaks/outbreak sequences? I don't know why I previously thought they weren't necessary, especially since I made this article, which I still wonder to this day why I thought THAT was needed. LOL! ChessEric (talk · contribs) 20:40, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@ChessEric: Yea. I'll see if I can start working on starting them up this weekend.--Halls4521 (talk) 21:40, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks man! ChessEric (talk · contribs) 21:43, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@ChessEric: All three articles started up, with infoboxes in them.--Halls4521 (talk) 12:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks man! I really appreciate it. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 17:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Tornado outbreak of March 30–31, 1962 article to A rank.

I think the Tornado outbreak of March 30–31, 1962 article, which included that Milton, Florida F3 tornado, should get promoted to A rank at least. How do I ask for a re-evaluation? ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:43, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

This one too. ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:57, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@ChessEric: I think this link here can explain it better than I can. You could also possibly bring it up for discussion with the other Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather members (though maybe reading the other link first). Sorry I couldn't be of more help to you. --Halls4521 (talk) 02:31, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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2 new articles

As I was populating the older tornado articles with damage info (and corrections to tracks – stupid NCEI), I decided to make two new articles (User:ChessEric/Tornado outbreak of March 24–25, 1954 and User:ChessEric/Tornado outbreak of April 5–9, 1954) due to the sections being too big and detailed in my opinion. Can you help by formatting it please? Thanks! ChessEric (talk · contribs) 00:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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This Draft and Another Draft

@ChessEric:@Elijahandskip:@CapeVerdeWave:@United States Man:@TornadoLGS:: I'll try to help out with that new article whenever I can. Also, check out the other draft in the title as well Halls4521 (talk) 03:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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1865 Viroqua tornado article...

@ChessEric:@WeatherWriter:@CapeVerdeWave:@TornadoLGS:: I have a question in the talk section of the 1865 Viroqua tornado article, about adding more info mentioned in one of it's references ([2]). Let me know if we should add the info, or if it should be put up to vote by others instead. Thank You. Halls4521 (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Updated info in proposed articles....

@ChessEric:@CapeVerdeWave: I've added some info to some of the proposed articles of tornado outbreaks from 1949 and 1969. Hopefully this helps (also please check the info just in case. Thank you. Halls4521 (talk) 02:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

It does. I'm semi-retired from doing all those older outbreaks and main tornado pages; the research has become too bothersome for me. CapeVerdeWave is doing a great job on their own. ChessEric 02:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@ChessEric: I understand. I'm not retired from it, but had to reduce myself to a "reaccurring part-time" status. I can't work on these older storms as much as I use to either.--Halls4521 (talk) 02:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

A possible storm article for just in case........

@ChessEric:@WeatherWriter:@CapeVerdeWave: I know this is jumping the gun, but considering what is being forecast for the next few days, here's a possible article to use just in case anything actually goes down. Halls4521 (talk) 00:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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