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Hi Graeme, I am following a bit the discussion around a possible 'Hans Höger' article. I don't know Ilaria - she's probably from the Bocconi University, I am from the Bozen University, but I imagine that both of us know very well Mr. Höger. Outstanding qualities and characteristcs of Mr. Höger are in my opinion: - he is one of the very few design theorists who collaborates actively with such important institutions like International Design Conference of Aspen (IDCA) and Triennale di Milano - he is one of the few design theorists in Germany who is doing contributions to peer group magazines in Italy (domus, Abitare), Germany (form, Design Report) and Japan (Shift, Design News) - he is one of the few German design theorists (perhaps the only one) who is publishing books with publishing houses in Switzerland (Lars Müller, Birkhäuser), Italy (Abitare Segesta), Germany (Cantz) and France (Editions Pyramyd) - he is the only German design theorist included in the Design Research Map operation organized by the Universities of Milan and Genoa - he is one the very few design theorists who does not only work at an accademic level and network, but even with companies (as consultant): he is actively trying to link theory and practice - he created the idea/theory of "cultural engineering" - last but not least, an article about his activities and relationships has been accepted in Wikipedia Germany and Italy All those aspects, probably, are not sufficiently described in Ilaria's article; nevertheless, they can be read/perceived thanks to the informations Ilaria tried to resume. My question: the definition/criterion of "outstanding" could be considered fulfilled by the above listed characteristics of Mr. Höger's work? Many thanks for your help and advice, Andrea —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.186.101 (talk) 10:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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Dear Graeme, probably I posted in the wrong position my commento on Hans Höger (above and not below). Sorry. Did you read it? Andrea

Hi Andrea, it is best to post the new talk at the bottom of my page. In this case I moved my header back to the top. If you like you can repost your article proposal along with the justifications you have given to me at WP:AFC. Include some secondary sources for cultural engineering, so that we can see that it is important. Having books published in another country does not make someone notable, but perhaps the large number of books and countries adds notability, but it will depend on how important the publication is. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Graeme, many thanks for your comments on my proposal concerning Hans Höger. The main motivation for my proposal is that Mr. Höger is an active and internationally known member of the scientific design community. He is particularly commited to Design Research topics and international cooperations. In 2009 his book "Cultural Engineering" will be published. Concerning several important designers liks Sapper, Abraham, Sottsass, De Lucchi, he is one of the few international experts who published comprehensive works on those people. The Italian Design Research Map website is an independent website in which Höger's research projects and positions have been included (even with a video interview). I know that he is doing contributions in other international design networks as well - do you think, I should look for those informations and then try again to edit an article? Many thanks for your advices, ILARIA ANDREINI.

Hi Ilaria, we need something to show that Hans Höger is outstanding in his field amoungst his peers, just being active and known is not sufficient. If you can find that then please resubmit your article again with the extra references. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Graeme, thanks you input. I have found a wiki page in Japanese exists [ http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B0%B4%E5%8E%9F%E5%B8%8C%E5%AD%90 ]. I will work on translateing this to english. Big in Japan or google requires more Kanji I suppose. Anyway, I imagine localizing a wiki-page will meet less scrutiny than trying to start from scratch or convince others a fashion model may have relavancy in an encyclopaedic world.

Also found this definition; Encyclopedia, noun: A reference work (often in several volumes) containing articles on various topics (often arranged in alphabetical order) dealing with the entire range of human knowledge or with some particular speciality.

So, I think regardless of how many hits a english(水原希子) google search reveals; articles on various topics dealing with the entire range of human knowledge or with some particular speciality, users can be served by a localized english version.

{{helpme}} I may need some assistance, are you willing to tutor me on wiki formating if I mess up?

Anyway, thanks again.

All the best!

Todd --TMDREHRB 07:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)tmdrehrb

Hi Todd, I can help yo out with wikisyntax. My first suggestion to you is to sign your talk with the four tilde characters, ~~~~. The next suggestion is to add your talk to the bottom of the talk page, then I can find it easier. Let me know if you have something you want tme to look at. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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This was accidentally placed in your archive by another user. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:52, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hello Graeme,

I am a little confused(but thats alright) about the reason for declineing the Article: Kiko Mizuhara (fashion model) for creation.

On the following Wiki-page; http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Vivi_%28magazine%29 An accepted Wiki page obviously worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.(10 December 2007 Pinkpineapple (Talk | contribs) (2,259 bytes) (←Created page with '{{Infobox Magazine | title = ViVi
ヴィヴィ | image_file = Vivi-2006-11.jpg | image_size = 250px | image_caption = ViVi Nov...') )

Anyway, we notice herein, in the second paragraph a few names of famous Vivi models with links(blue) to their respective and accepted(for creation)Wiki-Bio pages also a list of curent and past models some of these also with links(blue) to their respective Wiki-Bio pages also. So, we note that such, is the precidence already set, in this and these(bio-type) acceptable Wiki pages obviously worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. ( Actually, i followed carefully the layout{{Infobox Model of one of these other models in preparing the Kiko Mizuhara (fashion model) article?)

Thus the decline is puzzling on the basis you stated and implied;(lack of?) importance or significance of the subject & the why the person or group is worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia?

It seems to me the "importance or significance of the subject & the why the person or group is worthy of inclusion" is no longer a subjective matter as the accepted precidence followed thus far would make it a correct an objective criteria that has already passed the test for worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.

So, what gives? Do you require further; cite(ing) reliable, published third-party sources, so that the information in the article is verifiable? I think ample was given(though some is in Japanese language)?

So could you please explain what needs to happen in order to successfully, complete this submission for creation without deletion?

thanks.

Todd

or

--TMDREHRB 23:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)tmdrehrb

Speedy deletion of Tentative wound

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Yes it's got to go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I rewrote this totally not using the WP:AFC text. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok thanks mate!

I appreciate your help. I will get to work on this localization. Keep an eye out here(watchlist or other?) and you can proof things and make suggestions, as they happen. Stand by a little though. In the mean time; what do you work on mainly? Anyway, again thanks. Hope to hear from you again soon. All the best!

Todd

P.s. I am very interested in geology as related to Oil & Gas discovery. Have tons of documents on these topics. Currently Tight shale foramtions and secondary recovery techniques are very common here. Lets have a dialog share info if you are interested./

TMDREHRB 08:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)tmdrehrb

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Hi

Please understand that I am not trying to take issue with your points at a personal level - what concerns me is with what appears to be the general inactivity of OZ project and the default to the national noticeboard - the collective amnesia of the oz project on the issues that come up from more recent fly-by 'lets change this' type eds (who are new or recent) - leaves the oz project at peril of 'dumb down creep' - when it comes to nutting out the issues that at times need to be hammered out - so no big deal - but - hey there are no doubt plenty more issues to get revived by the 'fly bys' - eds who have never looked at archives or whatever - cheers SatuSuro 06:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message - yeah well it seems something about the old 'be bold' idea does have its drawbacks - specially when things need to be talked about - I wouldnt be suprised if the bold thing falls away to more of a have a cup of tea/coffee whatever (oh thats right that got canned the other year or so as well) - oh well to something a bit more process oriented rather than the shoot first and talk after method :( SatuSuro 09:20, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops

Thanks. I was unaware of the deletion debate and it was deleted during my speedy rounds, as it came up in a batch of California-related deletions. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 21:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Hiram Burnett

Hiram Burnett

This information is public domain and could be used for initial Wiki page material. Hiram Burnett was the manager of a lumber mill, co incorporator of the City of Seattle and founder of an Episcopal Church congregation Trinity which is now considered the most prestigious in Seattle. His son Charles Hiram was the Treasurer of Seattle. His grandson Charles Hiram Burnett Jr. was President of the Seattle City Council and Acting Mayor. His grand daughter Amy Louise Burnett was William Boeing's foster sister in law and the wife of Marshall Latham Bond. Thank You

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jtenlen/hburnett.txt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.206.207 (talk) 23:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

As manager of a lumber mill or the founder of one congregation does not make Hiram Burnett notable in my opinion, and neither does having notable relatives. However your can try your luck on WP:AFC. ANd see if someone else takes it up. Or you could register and create it yourself Hiram Burnett. Good luck with your improvements. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks

Yea thanks man for clearing that up.

xIDoL —Preceding unsigned comment added by XIDoL (talk • contribs) 01:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Quantum Wave Resistance of Schrodinger functions

This paper were published in "Condeced Matter" by the prominent american scientist, Tsu Raphael.

• http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat?papernum=0311479

More info about Tsu (an assistant of Nobel Prize winner Esaki!) can be seen from

• http://www.ece.uncc.edu/faculty/fac/tsu/

What reliable SOURSES do you want? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.47.212.108 (talk) 11:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Quantum Wave Resistance

The article is worded as though it was a new discovery announced on wikipedia. This would count as original research. Your reference did not match any journal that I know of, however now that you ask for a review, the submission was a copyright violation of the abstract of http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0311479.

In addition to this problem, the term seems to be hardly used, so that the concept may be non notable.

Also your source is not reliable as this can take preprints from anywhere. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The book "ADVANCED SEMICONDUCTOR HETEROSTRUCTURES" (where the first time were introduced QWImpedunce) is presented on site:

• http://www.worldscibooks.com/engineering/5209.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.47.212.108 (talk) 07:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid I can't see any evidence of it here as it is not in the contents and you have to pay USD94 to see the inside. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Unsigning contributors

Thanks, and your welcome!!! I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 07:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Fragile (2006 film)

I have nominated Fragile (2006 film), an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fragile (2006 film). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 13:20, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It was deleted. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Self harm.

Harming myself? I don't see that. Besides, I'm a cool cucumber about what they said. They don't know if I'm such a word or not, and I know I'm not, and they're just looking to emotionally abuse others, so I must show that I am not affected by what they say. I actually find it quite funny! Cheers. I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 04:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome!!! I called the Warner sister "Dottie" and lived to tell the tale! (talk) 06:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

AFC Script

Hey there, as of recent, I've been having severe troubles with the AFC helper script, and I guess that you use it quite a bit, as you help out quite a lot on AFC. Have a look at this, do you know why this is happening? If you could in some way help me out with this error, I'd be most appreciative. Steve Crossin (contact) 23:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah, I figured out what the issue was. The AFC helper conflicts with the AFD helper, and the TFD helper. That's why I was getting issues. Now it's working, I can help clear those backlogs. Thanks :). Steve Crossin (contact) 03:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

WARNING:If using Firefox 3 with Vista

There is a serious bug if you use FF 3 with Vista. Please see this link - Talk:Mozilla_Firefox#WARNING:Vista_users_and_Firefox_3 Kathleen.wright5 09:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

My use of Vista is still years away! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems

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Proposed deletion of Blocco Automatico a Correnti Codificate

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Speedy deletion of Mehdi Shahbazi

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survived Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

AfC

Hi Graeme, would be interested to hear your comments about User:Natl1's experiment with the AfC process. MSGJ (talk) 11:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

If you could put {{AFC completed}} on declined submissions it places them in Category:Completed Afc requests and may help us to keep track of them. By the way, how do you think the new system is going? MSGJ 13:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering about a feature like that! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Re Page Fix

Heh, no problem. I noticed your page on my watchlist, and it looked kinda odd, so I just fixed it right up :). Steve Crossin (contact) 05:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Decline of Mitchell Gold article

Graeme, I noticed you declined an article I submitted on Mitchell Gold yesterday citing as a reason that the page already existed. But, the page didn't exist already. There was one for Mitchell Gold, Co., a business that he founded. But, there is nothing with personal information about him and the philanthropic work that he is engaged in and has been widely recognized for. Please reconsider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.95.221 (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

He was only notable for the company, so add all the information on him to the company article. I did make a redirect for you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The Day After Roswell

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Survived Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Hessel Hermana

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Survived Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

AFC proposal

	WikiProject Articles for Creation needs your input!
	I have made a detailed proposal for a new entry process for WP:AFC. As you were involved in the discussion after the last trial, I particularly invite your comments at the page WT:WikiProject Articles for creation/Proposed new entry process#Modifications and proposal for new trial. Thanks! MSGJ 09:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

undeleting Hajvery University

Hi Stifle

you deleted Hajvery University because it looked like a test page. This was created as part of the WP:AFC process. We are trying out a new process where pages are moved rather than copied. This means if it was deleted, it is gone totally, it should really have been declined instead, with some feedback to the contributor about what is wrong. Can you please restore Hajvery University back to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Submissions/Hajvery University? Then us AFC reviews will add on the decline marker. It was probably not necessary to protect against recreation as the topic of the article is notable, even if the content was not up to scratch! Thankyou Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Restored as requested. I have protected the title due to repeated recreation; any admin can (and should) unprotect it when presented with a viable article. Stifle (talk) 08:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what happened with this one. It was orginally created in main namespace. I moved it back into WT and marked the original page for speedy deletion. MSGJ 14:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Scene kid

Since another admin has already deleted Talk:Scene kid, I'll repeat my reply here: I think you answered your own question: there aren't quality sources. Until there are, the page won't be unprotected/created. —C.Fred (talk) 00:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

New arts/stubs

Please - tassie has few active eds - please help with adding project tags when creating them - thanks SatuSuro 00:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That will give you even more work to do! When I get a chance I will look. Normally I only add project tags for the projects I am a member of. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hadnt noted the mammoth effort on Tas geology - well done SatuSuro 00:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if we have crossed lines a bit here - No big deal really - I had noticed the royal george stub - and i try hard to make sure tasmania stubs have wp australia and tasmania at the back (surely we are member of the oz project that is all i am asking really) (otherwise technically orphans and not there in the stats) - then i noticed you had done edgar fault - we now have a tas geology category - so if you have any other tas geology arts apart from that it would be useful to have the arts in that category as well - so both sides of the page - project tags and cats - cheers SatuSuro 00:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Now I see there is Category:Geology of Tasmania that you created today. I will use that in future! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Lots to do yet - I have heaps of western tas arts to link and there are quite a few issues to go into about this - I think I had started a central tas art and possibly category -= we might even have to go offline on some stuff - but my presence is very irregular - i have heaps of west tas photos and material as I used to work for mt lyell and ran the locl paper for a v short time in queenstown (before the no dams campaign) and etc etc - and we do have an wikipedia editor whm i am in contact with in queenstown if we want picies on demand within a reasonable time - i will be there in december for v short time SatuSuro 01:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm - I would take issue with sources/refs at Lake Edgar - however I have to get off - another time SatuSuro 01:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Lake Edgar, Tasmania originally came from WP:AFC and the refs were vague, but I was interested enough to make the article. The ref I added is adequate to cover what is there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Cripes i see im gonna have to be careful here - yes the ref is fine - source is the issue - internal HEC docs normally do not exist in the public domain and the map ref is woefull - like all the central highland mountain arts :( SatuSuro 01:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

We do have the stub at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Tasmap for some maps issues as well SatuSuro 02:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

And just tonight (where I am the latest http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tasmania/Maintenance - why we are ok with the tagging in one sense but a bit behind in assessment for the Tas project :( SatuSuro 12:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Frisian history

There still is no article especially on Frisian history. This I would like to change. I requested the people from the Frisia project and others on wikipedia to help me write such an article. My knowledge of Frisian history might not be as good as that of yours, nor do I have the sources you may have. I do however live in Warns, Fryslan, and there are still some relatives to frisian folk heroes traceable here. For example: people related to Galama and Donia families and others from old schieringer and Vetkoper families. Often their roots go as far as the crusades (First and Second). Thanks in advache,

Jouke Bersma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.172.170.26 (talk) 08:30, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jouke, I am just a student of it, if you like I will create the article and you can add into it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

If you'd do that, I would be very thankful. You see, I can only post an article when I register, but I'd rather not register. Maybe later I will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.172.170.26 (talk) 09:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Arumer Zwarte Hoop

The article you have got into your sandbox is a badly written article. It is completely un-encyclopedial and unprofessional. It has no sources whatsoever and I can not use it. We can either contact the one who created it, or contact the Frisian wikipedia itself and ask for a translation of their article (which I am willing to participate in translating). Was signed,

Jouke Bersma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.172.170.26 (talk) 07:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Jouke: please propose some text and I can create a new article for you. I could not find any sources myself. My suggestion is that you edit the sandbox to make it better, even if that involved deleting most of the text. The sandbox came from a deleted article on the topic. 21:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid my English grammar and overall knowledge is nowhere good enough for making an entire article. I therefore would like to propose copeyediting. Besides, the entire article is giving one persons point of view. The naming of section maes no sense at all and the whole Count of Nychlenborch of whom is told he was their main enemy, is no way as important as given here. And, last but not least, looking at the sources shows that the entire thing is made up for none of those give even nearly as much information as is given. The article is a complete hoax and should be completely rewritten by the members of the Frisian project, possibley in collaboration with the Frisian wikipedia itself,

Jouke Bersma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.172.170.26 (talk) 10:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Since you say it is useless I have created a stub at Arumer Zwarte Hoop. Don't worry ab out grammar and style, I can fix that for you. But please add in some factual information. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

wikiProject release 0.7

There seems to be some project going on selecting wikipedia articles for DVD release. Some articles, as can be seen on the Frisian wiki project are selected, envolving Frisian-related subjects. Those should get some extra attention. Also, I noticed an article of enormous importance, namely the one on Grutte Pier, has not been selected by the project. It should be nominated for selection and we might, as a project, ask for a personal selection (within bounderies of 7 articles as we are given by SelectionBot). For instance, I think that Greate Pier is of more importance to Frisian history than is Tershelling. -The Bold Guy- (talk) 09:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

AFC question

The following line is automatically included when an AFC request is created:

{{AFC submission}} <!--- Important, do not remove this line! --->

The "do not remove this line" instruction only applies to the creation of the request, right? - and if/when the request is accepted, then the entire "...do not remove this line..." line should be removed - is that correct? 58.8.1.229 (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

That is right, when we accept the article we remove the line, and then a {{WPAFC}} template goes on the talk page to identify it to the project. If it is remove from the article before it moves to article space then it will be "lost" and no one will consider it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I asked because there seem to be quite a few "accepted" articles that still have the {{AFC submission}} template in place, so I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. 58.8.1.229 (talk) 21:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

It turns invisible, so people may not notice unless they edit! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

In any case reviewers will find it and sort it out. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Spelling

I humbly submit that you need to review the spelling of Category:Shopping centres in the Australian Captial Territory. Hesperian 05:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Ouch, that was an ugly typo - now fixed! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

AfC stuff

Hi Graeme

1. What's your rationale for these two new categories? I noticed that User:Legoktm has taken held requests out of the pending category, which I'm not sure I agree with. Having one category for all pending requests seemed simplest to me ...
2. About the new section thing on the talkpage preload, the only reason it is there is that if the page already exists (e.g. if there is a banner already there for some reason), then preload template will not work unless a new section is added. Anyway in this case the page should be blank anyway, so not much difference!
3. Are there any other search engines which should be linked from the "reviewers' tools"?
4. Do you think the reviewers' tools should also appear on the "on hold" template?

MSGJ 11:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation, others may want to read. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Spiral of Life

Thanks for your help on the Spiral of Life page. I know it's a little thin, but I wanted to get a basic page up. I'll keep improving what I have. I assume you have it on your watch list. LeeDuke (talk) 00:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

1946 Giro d'Italia - Review on hold

Hi Graeme,

Here's some references:

http://sports123.com/rcy/results/m-giro-1946.html

http://www.ultimateitaly.com/festival-events/giro-d-italiaia.html

http://giro.cyclingfever.com/editie.html?id=3113

http://www.velonews.com/article/83088

Regards, Carlo 84.221.45.68 (talk) 09:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Carlo, I have now accepted the article, I also made a new category too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Great day for the Fryslan project

The people at wikiProject release 0.7 put Pier Gerlofs Donia in. It is the first Frisia related article to be put in their page. It is a great day for the Frisia project! A great day! Now we must make sure the article stays as good as it is now. All edits made from now on will be examined closely. It is currently a Good Article nominee. I am pretty sure it will pass and then it will be our first and only GA-class article related within our scope. Do you perhaps know a good, neutral editor who can review it? One who is not envolved with our project and will be likely to review and let it pass soon after now? Well, anyway, I just came here to say it. It is a big day for our project. It will be in a book, on CD and DVD. -The Bold Guy- (talk) 11:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

A-class

I saw that we can, as a wikiproject, give one of the articles within our scope the A-class. Do we have any that would fit it? -The Bold Guy- (talk) 11:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

None yet. We don't have the resources, in the way of people to upgrade to that quality at this point. You will have to recruit some more participants! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I have invited in at least 15 people over the last week but most did not even reply. There was one guy who had quite some knowledge but he was to busy. Maybe you know someone? -The Bold Guy- (talk) 05:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I invited a few from the Frisian wikipedia, but no reply - perhaps you will have a better chance at that. Also some others were dissuaded by having there edits removed by others based on political controversies. Perhaps you can persuade Jouke Bersma to make an account and contribute! Random requests probably go no where but if you look at article histories and find who has contributed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

A bit of a late reaction (I was very busy) but: "Also some others were dissuaded by having there edits removed by others based on political controversies", who did lose there edits under which political controversies? -The Bold Guy- (talk) 07:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

talk

Hi Graeme, You declined an article I posted for my boss, Catherine DeVrye, at her request. Your reasoning was that the biography was copied from other websites which had her biography posted. However, she herself wrote the biography that would be on other websites, so does that still make it a copyright issue? It is impossible to cite every website with a version of this biography on it for the purposes of this article, which is why I only sourced her own website. If I resubmit the article (on Catherine), is there anyway of it being approved? Rachel R yabs (talk) 04:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

There is a procedure in Wikipedia:Copyright_problems#Copyright owners who submitted their own work to Wikipedia to confirm that GFDL permission is granted on that material. An easier alternative for you could be to rewrite the material in new words. There are special rules on WP:COI and WP:NOTABILITY that have to be followed. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Jouke de Vries

Jouke de Vries is our newest Frisian related article. I created it and nominated it at the Did You Know section. Will you perhaps try to help me improving it so that it'll be more likely picked? It would be the first Frisian related article on the main page and attract much attention to our project. Last king of Frisia (talk) 10:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

You want to upload an image of Jouke de Vries to wikipedia? Search "Jouke de Vries" on google and he'll be the guy with the glasses and the black hair. There is an image on the sources used for creating the article. You want to help me out here? I do not know how to upload files and am not familiar with licencing tags so maybe you are, or some other Fryslan project member? Last king of Frisia (talk) 09:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

talk

hello graeme,

thank you very much for your review of the Rainsoft submission. in regards to what would make the company unique for acceptance, does their plastic bottle recycle initiative, or more information about it, fit that criteria? in conjuction with that, florence henderson is their spokesperson, perhaps more information on her involvement would also help? any suggestions or advice you have in regards to these ideas would be greatly appreciated - thanks!

71.243.123.214 (talk) 17:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)24.34.94.8

Hi, Florence Henderson as the spokeswoman is interesting, but entities do not gain notability by association. The company will have to stand on its own. What we need to prove notability is independent party references, for example a book, independent web page, newspaper or journal article on the company. You have provided primary sources, the web pages of the company, the wgnradio link does not mention the company, so I cannot comment on this, and the businesswire page is a press release from the company, a different source but not independent. Read WP:CORP for what it takes to get an article on a company. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Aerial photos

I really like the aerial photos - the one of Batemans Bay was terrific Regards --Matilda ^talk 00:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Matilda: I have a few more, but some are shaken or low contrast due to sun, reflections or dirty windows! I have created categories on the commons for example:

• commons:Category:Aerial photographs of Tasmania
• commons:Category:Aerial photographs of Victoria
• commons:Category:Aerial photographs of New South Wales
• commons:Category:Aerial photographs of the Australian Capital Territory

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:09, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Jouke de Vries image

You want to upload an image of Jouke de Vries to wikipedia? Search "Jouke de Vries" on google and he'll be the guy with the glasses and the black hair. There is an image on the sources used for creating the article. You want to help me out here? I do not know how to upload files and am not familiar with licencing tags so maybe you are, or some other Fryslan project member? Last king of Frisia Last king of Frisia (talk) 10:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Even though there are pictures on the internet, they are not freely copyable, so cannot be uploaded to wikipedia. Perhaps you can take a photo of him yourself! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not know the man, so that'll be hard. Besides, it is a 5 hour ride from where I live to Leiden, so... no, I guess that won't be happening. Oh, adn one more thing: the articles possibility to become a Did You Know article and make it to the main page expires very soon (within a day or so), so I ask you to get it picked or help me im prove it for it needs to et on the mainpage and brin g us more members for our project of Frisians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Last king of Frisia (talk • contribs) 10:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Yass Photo

Thank you very much for the photo. I am very appreciative and I am sure the other users of WP will be in the future as well. JRG (talk) 04:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

New AFC Format~ Question

In order to "reject" a "bad" entry to WP:AFC, all we have to do is change {{AFC submission}} to {{AFC submission|d}} as you did here. Is there a list of where the abbreviations that are used for the rejection process? NanohaA'sYuri^{Talk, My master} 22:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at the instructions. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Pier Gerlofs Donia

Greame Bartlett, the article on Pier Gerlofs Donia is currently a candidate for GA, it has been for over two weeks and now it is partially reviewed. It has been put on hold and will need improvements in referencing to be put in properly this week. I have just done quite some referencing in the article (something I am not awfully good at, but still) and I wondered if you might be able to check whether this will do. Also: do the images used have fair-use rationales or something like that? The reviewer also mentioned that. The prose, however, is good and there is no bias in their eyes so that is positive. Furthermore: most sources are not in English so there will be needed some sort of template at each of them, something like "Source in Dutch" or "Source in Frisian". Can you show me how to do that? Oh, by the way: I took a look at Magnus Forteman and although he may be legendary, I thought he truly deserved some mention around here for practically saving the Roman Catholic Church. Thanks in advanche, -The Bold Guy- (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, by the way: Jimbo Wales himself has read the Pier Gerlofs Donia article and says he enjoyed reading it! It is now completely referenced (including fiveval section) and the rambling man improved it's prose. All is right now! It will pass, I am surer then sure! -The Bold Guy- (talk) 05:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

grutte pier GA

Dana boomer, the user who reviewed the article on grutte pier has failed the article and removed it from the nominations page. You could renominate it, then I could reference the last few section, you could put the temple on each ref saying it is Dutch or Frisian and then it would easily pass for most work already has been done. What do you say? On the other hand it might be better just to inform the reviewer and wait. 86.89.146.118 (talk) 10:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I will gradually fix this up. But it may take some weeks. Which reference numbers are in Frisian? It seems to me that the GA reviews are getting tougher and tougher, approaching FA in strictness. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I know. An article on Dorus Rijkers, for example; it appeared on the front page as Did You Know article, then got nominated for GA and it almost made it. A year later it was re-nominated , hugely improved and all and they failed it ! I think a year ago, the article on Grutte Pier would have immediately be passed! At the moment I see many articles of good quality, well referenced, illustrated and written, and most of them are just "Start" or "B-class". I think it hugely depends on who reviews it. Their might be some POV in the selecting: maybe the editor Dana boomer failed the article on GP because he was suspicious over the fact most references are in a language he does not understand. I think this is no good way to treat such an article. In any case, I hope to be putting in most ref's either today or tomorrow. About Frisian refs and Dutch ref's: Frisian language has "yn" instead of "in", "f" rather then "v" (faak for vaak : often), and uses K's rather then C's. It has much â's: Fryslân, Nederlân, and "EU" becomes "JE", as in Europe becoming Jeropa. You just watch the frisian wikipedia: http://fy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haadside, you'll see what I'm talking about. It is very much distinctive from Dutch, I think you will not find it hard to recognize. In any case, I will help you do this. We might have to take some sections out, although I hope to find references for everything. The main problem is: over 100 users and 35 IP's have been working on the article so it cannot be traced who put in which or removed what. At the moment, I still consider every information included as genuine. 86.89.146.118 (talk) 12:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that nothing has to be removed. However there has been a bit of spamming of the image of the statue around the place. So far I have found no Frisian pages in the refs, only Dutch. I still cannot tell where the original Fris quote in the Fiveval section came from. Now what is left is the English translation I typed (but did not understand the original until it was explained to me by my Mum), without the original. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, the Fiveval legend is explained on the Dutch wikepedia and the Frisian wikipedia. The legend comes from DOc Meertens Institute and a website in Dutch about legends and old stories. Here is the link http://www.verhalenbank.nl/detail_volksverhalen.php?id=CJ044117, hope this is useful for referencing that section. About the spamming of the image: in most pages it will be genuine but sometimes it just makes no sense: for example, I noticed the Grutte Pier was on a page of Pirates in the Caribean. Grutte Pier operated in the north sea and zuiderzee and stuff but never left europe. 86.89.146.118 (talk) 06:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Submissions/Cal Cooper

Thanks for your comment at the above link. I've provided an answer to your question. Cheers! 65.124.139.66 (talk) 16:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Just added a bit more bio info to Cal Cooper, trying to flesh it out. Do you think it has enough for a WP:DYK nom? (Same guy, I'm assuming my sig will be a new ip...:-)...75.161.233.85 (talk) 03:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

If it meets the DYK rules I think you can nominate it as it is new. I think you should register! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Register? Do you mean register the article for DYK, or register an account? Also, do you know anyone that is really good at DYK noms for baseball? I've looked around on the DYK pages, it seems that user User:RyanCross does a lot, maybe I could ask him? Nevermind, I don't need to ask you do I? :-). I'll go ask Ryan Cross. Cheers, thanks for your help and advice! 75.161.233.85 (talk) 18:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I know nothing about baseball editors. You know more than me by now! PS thanks for spelling error fixes. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! And, User:RyanCross helped expand the article, and nominated it for WP:DYK! I hope it gets accepted. And to think, you were going to maybe decline my article, wink wink. Heh, no hard feelings, mate. (I read your page that you are from Australia, leave those baseball articles to us snooty Americans! :-). 75.161.233.85 (talk) 01:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Cal Cooper is on the main page Right Now! I'm so excited! Thanks for your help in getting the article created, I really appreciate it! See you around, 75.161.233.85 (talk) 02:24, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

FYI

I've made this edit :) hydnjo talk 02:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The Reference Desk Barnstar
		Thank you for answering my satellite question on the Reference Desk! --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 16:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Main Page redesign

The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll to select five new designs, before an RFC in which one will be proposed to replace the Main Page. The poll closes on October 31st. Your input would be hugely appreciated! Many thanks, Pretzels^Talk! 15:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Pluto's disc color

thumb|right How can Pluto look apricot color? It is so far away from the sun-the sun seen from surface is just a faint anty dot? It is 1600 times dimmer than Earth-that's why it's sky is always black. Would uranus and Neptune look aprox blue or purple. I thoguht Saturn is acutallly blue-gray too. You know the spacecrafts use black-and white on planetary mission, the NASA temans use image to fix the color, so all the photos is fake colours. Will Jupiter be mix of rainbow colors?--Freewayguy 22:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I calculated that light is roughly about 2500 times dimmer than earth, however that compares to lighting that you would have inside a house with artificial dim lighting, due to light globes being very inefficient. This is enough light to see colour OK. The apricot colour is my description of the colour on the Pluto picture on the Pluto page. This was not from planetary missions but from earth based telescopes. The given ref for planet colour is [1] which says blue for Uranus and Neptune, and pale yellow for Saturn. Jupiter is orange and white striped. For pluto Matija Cuk calls the colour light brown. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Is this source even valid and ture? When I was in 6th grade science camp, the insturctor said Saturn is blue-silver, Neptune is deep blue while Uranus is baby blue.--Freewayguy 00:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• • I suspect it is true, when I look for myself at Saturn it is yellowish and not blueish. If you really care, you had better have a look at the visible spectrum of reflected light from these planets as measured, and see how that would look. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
• You know not all osurces is trust. The insturctor in my 6th grade science camp is an astronomer. npetune is actually ocean blue I thought, then Uranus would be sky blue.--Freewayguy 00:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• How can I take a look at specturm see how planet look like. Spacecrafts use black-white camera, and NASA teams use a insrument to fix the color to make them look attracting I thought.--Freewayguy 00:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• • Neptune will look darker from the earth, so you may call this an ocean blue, but if you were there near by it would not look so dark, because of the lack of contrast with lighter objects. So some of this difference is due to where the observer is. On Wikipedia we have to go with the published sources rather than spoken words and opinions, or even worse original research by editors who look in the sky at night !

• • • Other astronomers besides NASA are very interested in the colour and spectrum, so they use all the colours, not black and white. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• • • I thought when spacecraft visit planets, the photos is black and white. Am I right or wrong--Freewayguy 02:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
    • You are probably right about this, except that the pictures are taken through colour filters some of the time, so that a colour image can be reconstructed. The colours I talked about above were not found by the visiting space ships, but by observations from earth. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
    • When people fix the color, then how an those colors be true?--Freewayguy 03:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
    • If you take three B&W pictures through a red, blue and green filter, you can reconstruct a colour image by knowing how responsive the sensor is to the coloured light through the filter, say by glowing red green and blue pixels on your monitor. colour printing explains this working with cyan yellow and magenta. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Is reconstructing colors true color or artificial color. Do Uranus and neptune look sky/ocean blue truely in space, or people just say it's blue?--Freewayguy 03:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Your teacher would have been talking about what it looked like through a telescope. Blue is the likely colour, after all you are seeing sky on these planets, and that is blue on earth due to Mie scattering. With a super thick atmosphere it would appear blue unless there was a coloured gas or some kinds of clouds. Up close where the planet dominates the view it would give a bit of a different impression. Reconstructed colours resemble the true colours. Do you think that the TV images are true colour? These are actually artificially reconstructed with glowing or filtered pixels designed to give the same impression as the original scene. Some things such as sun light are not reproduced as bright, and some colours such as red or violet are not reproduced as you would see them with your eyes. If you had a chlorine planet, that may appear green. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Then is Jupiter, Saturn's sky blue above the clouds, or it's sky is mainly orange and yellow at lower level, this is what Rulik said.--FRWY 20:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

That sounds about right! On Earth the sky is blue above the clouds, and looks white if you see clouds. When you look down from a plane the earth is very blue looking, even the ground covered in grass or trees. On pluto the atmosphere is too thin to make a difference. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• If blue then how blue it is. Is it light blue, middle blue or dark blue above the cloud-top of Jupiter and Saturn?--FRWY 20:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

If you are in the atmosphere it would be darker looking up and lighter looking towards the horizon. I don't know how it would compare to earth sky. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

How come alot of iamge shows Uranus looks green? How blue is Uranus and Neptune. I thought Urnaus is light blue, but neptune is vivid blue. They both have similar color but differ shade. Is mars vermilion, Vneus is pale yellow, and Mercury is gray right?--FRWY 22:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• • They said is ture color. --FRWY 00:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Mount Warrigal

thanks for your comment. I edit countless suburb and city articles and the general rule is we don't include addresses...otherwise articles will have endless information about addresses of every stated school, police station, stadium, museum etc. perhaps I meant WP:NOTGUIDE which states that telephone numbers and addresses need not be included. Michellecrisp (talk) 01:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wizards of Waverly Place spells

Graeme, the previous AfDs for this article are Here and here. I pointed these out in my !vote to delete. Reyk _YO! 23:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, a pretty clear delete vote in both cases, although not all arguments were valid! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:AFC submission/old

As the above will probably only be used with redirects now, do you think we should move it to Template:AFC submission/redirect or even Template:AFC redirect? Martin 22:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

I am still struggling to get the javascript to do the fully correct thing. My problems are probably caching the old version. Template:AFC submission/old seems to be an inappropriate name, but the other two names are saying where it is to be used. I am thinking that the template is more general purpose than that, converting a short decline text into a long text. So I think something that suggests that would be better. Presumably the same text is used on the Template:AFC submission, so can this all come from the same one spot?

Yes all the comments are stored at Template:AFC submission/comments which I think is a good idea. I would suggest moving Template:AFC submission/old to the more appropriately named Template:AFC redirect. The problem is that we already have Template:Afc redirect so that would just cause confusion. Martin 13:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I have created a new template at Template:AFC redir. I changed my mind about using the same comments about the article submissions, because most seemed to require some sort of rewording in order to make sense. I would appreciate some opinions on the template and whether you think you can the script to work with it. Question: I noticed you had an NPOV option in the script, but couldn't really think of how this could apply to redirects. If you think such an option should exist, perhaps you could enter the comment at Template:AFC redir/comments? Thanks! Martin 12:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I guess you are right, points of view titles are allowed to redirect to the main article. nonsense could apply, but v will do for this purpose. I'll give it a go with the javascript. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:32, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

AfC active participant

Hi, I have added your name to this page which I am planning to transclude to the instruction page and the main project page. Basically I thought it would be a good idea to tell new reviewers who they can ask for help about the AfC process. Hope you are happy about this. If not, I will remove your name. Cheers, Martin 17:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

No problems, I suppose I have stuck around for quite a while! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I reckon you've been here the longest now. A real AfC veteran :) Martin 17:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Secret page

	The Super Hidden Barnstar
	You found my page! ROGERCHOCODILES 12:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)Rogerchocodiles

Merry Christmas!

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Drawing or painting Grutte Pier

As a reaction to your comment here:

http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APier_Gerlofs_Donia&diff=256815711&oldid=256813944 I think having a drawing or painting of Grutte Pier's exploits would be great. Indeed there has been much interest in this historical figure here on wikipedia. And, as you also suggested, a photograph or reconstruction (perhaps a photo of Donia's estate, or its remains. Do you perhaps know anyone artistic who could make a drawing or painting (free of copyright or at least free to use)? Please let me know. I think it is a interesting idea and I would like to go for it, take action. What a great improvement it would be. 193.172.170.26 (talk) 12:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Any suggestions so far? 193.172.170.26 (talk) 08:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I offered a reward

of $500 USD

For those who'll make an artwork - you know someone artistic who could help? 193.172.170.26 (talk) 09:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

There must be more historic paintings, book illustrations and sculptures around. These could be reproduced freely. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

AfC news

Dear AfC participant,

1. Msgj and Tnxman307 are organising the AfC challenge! It's a little competition to help improve some of the articles created through AfC and we are hoping that everyone will get involved. For level 1, you just need to bring a stub up to Start-class. Level 2 is improving a Start-class article to C-class. And so on. To get involved or for more information please see the competition page.
2. Those of you who haven't reviewed an article recently might not have noticed the new process that was implemented this year. Reviewing articles is now more enjoyable than ever :) You might like to give it a try. All articles waiting for review are in Category:Pending Afc requests. (Please read the updated instructions.)
3. Please consider adding {{AFC status}} to your userpage to keep track of the number of articles waiting for review. At the time of writing we are officially backlogged, so help is needed!
4. There is currently a proposal to bring the Images for upload process under the umbrella of WikiProject Articles for creation. The rationale is that both processes are designed to allow unregistered users to take part more fully in Wikipedia, and partipants in each process can probably help each other.

If you no longer wish to receive messages from WikiProject Articles for creation, please remove your name from this list. Thank you.

Hi Graeme, happy new year. I was just wondering how you were getting on with Ammonium dinitramide? When it's reached the next level, please update the status on WikiProject Articles for creation/AfC challenge to get your points. Cheers, Martin 13:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

List of fictional governments

For your attention, a recent AFD you were involved in has gone up for a deletion review here. Ryan4314 (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

AfC

On the AfC website it said that you are willy to help out new users to the project. I would love to get involved, but I don't know exactly what to do. It would be great if you helped me. Sign my talk page. Thanks --Queenqpawn (talk) 03:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

List of shipwrecks in 2009

Hi, do you have references for the two entries you created the list with? Mjroots (talk) 11:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they are from http://www.cargolaw.com/presentations_casualties.php linked in the external links section. but there should be better references, so I did not tag the individual items yet. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Genova & Dimirov article

Hi, Graeme, I am trying to ndersand wha do you need as a proof of the achievements of these Artists but I couldn't understand it really becausethe compete worldwide net is full of references for them. THere are hundreds of press releases - do you need this or what exactly? Please be more concrete. Thanks.--84.131.101.19 (talk) 12:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Two things are needed, first that the article claims something notable about the topic, and second that you supply some references from independent sources. Press releases from the performers or their publishers are not independent. But newspapers, magazines are good sources. In this example official websites are not independent, and the last page does not mention them, perhaps you need a more specific URL. The claim that they are the best in the world need a reference to support it, and if it is a good one would justify having an article. Normally there would be an article on each individual. But if they are always a duo then that name can be used. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:23, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Graeme, the artcle is posted now with just a part of all the releases which were ever publishedabout Genova & Dimitrov. --84.131.103.74 (talk) 11:49, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I've posted the re-done page already on 21 January 2009 but nobody has reviewed it till now. Why?--84.131.70.39 (talk) 13:37, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

There is still a backlog for review that are taking my time instead. After looking at this proposed article a few times, I left it alone for a different reviewer. I would probably remember how it was earlier and do the same decline or hold again. So I left it for a fresh set of eyes. AFC reviewers have been a bit quiet, but there is at least one other active reviewer now. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

meetup - Canberra 2

Hi, noticed you setup the first meetup, I'm wondering if you think it's worth setting up a second sometime this summer? --.../Nemo (talk) 01:40, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

as per your reply on my talk page (gosh wiki conversation conventions suck! :), I've noticed you started the Meetup/Canberra_2 page. I'll continue in the talk: page there :)

--.../Nemo (talk) 03:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Frisian-Frankish Wars

I saw on the Frisian project page that a request was made to translate the article Frisian-Frankish Wars. I did translate it but it may not meet the grammar criteria and the right sentence structure. I saw you where the first in the list of project members so maybe some one could improve it.(Pindanl (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC))

Thanks Pindahl, I will take a look and polish it up. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I ment predecessor, already corrected it. I am not planning on translating more. Pindanl (talk) 14:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Invite to Canberra Meetup #2

I'll start mass-inviting users tonight :) --.../Nemo (talk • Contributions) 04:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Invite to Canberra Meetup #2

--.../Nemo (talk • Contributions) 14:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Third meeting... oops! I only knew of the original invite as prior, so assumed this was #2. :) ...it can be a topic for the meetup, with a note to make the next one #4 :) (and then 8, 16, 32... hehehe :) --.../Nemo (talk • Contributions) 03:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there Graeme - without going into it too much, I've been on a Wikibreak and got the invitation 3 days after the event! Be sure to invite me to the next one though! Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akitora (talk • contribs) 05:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

"founded"

Hi. Please forgive my poor display of grammar knowledge. I have learnt a new word today--"founded"=) Addaick (talk) 12:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

You are forgiven! I may have been a bit tough on you with my edit comment. I had to fix the spelling of museum as well for you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Graeme, Thanks for answering my chemistry question it was a massive help. Sincerely James —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.83.105 (talk) 21:41, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding VOXOFON

Dear Graeme, Thank you for taking the time to review my article about VOXOFON. I carefully read all of your reasons for declining it, including lack of importance or significance. I was hoping that you could please reconsider if I add some additional facts to the copy, such as:

• The Blackberry application makes VOXOFON the first service to offer transparent call cost optimization for both the T-Mobile G1 and Blackberry phones.
• VOXOFON was the first VoIP company to introduce an application for the new Android platform on T-Mobile G1 phones. Unlike other VoIP services, the Android application is very easy to download and actually becomes a part of the phone. Users can place calls as usual using the phone’s Dialer or Contacts. When an international call is detected, a VOXOFON window automatically pops up, listing the different ways to call and rates for each way to call.

Graeme, is this the type of thing you are looking for? VOXOFON received widespread publicity as a result of the launch of these programs. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this and for your guidance. By the way, I saw you live in Australia. I was fortunate to get an opportunity to travel there for a month and loved it. Sincerely, Lisa —Preceding unsigned comment added by VOXOFON (talk • contribs) 19:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Lisa, you are certainly welcome to add more facts to the article. In the case of these it looks as if the firsts are very qualified, and therefore are not outstanding. To show the notability you will need to find publications that wrote about the product, but not press releases or advertisements or items from those selling the service - these would be independent reliable sources. The user name you selected suggests that you are connected with the topic. You should read WP:COI. Since you are registered you can make the article your self, but it could be at risk of being deleted. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi again Graeme, Thank you for responding so quickly! Can you please explain what you mean by: "In the case of these it looks as if the firsts are very qualified, and therefore are not outstanding." Also, I read WP:COI. I am not with the company but am representing the company. I am a former broadcast journalist and have been very careful to write in an objective manner. The publications I use as references are very reliable and well-known. They include high tech publications and the Houston Business Journal. They have received a lot of press (in well-known publications) in the US and abroad, and I have included those. Would love if you could help me get this up on Wikipedia as some of their competitors have their entries posted with fewer details and references than I have provided. Thanks again for your help and guidance Graeme! Lisa —Preceding unsigned comment added by VOXOFON (talk • contribs) 22:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

How qualification of claims makes them less notable. The first claim below would make it notable, even the second may be notable as the first application of its type, but then adding transparent means that it was probably not the first to optimise call placement, and then if it was only the first that worked on two differnt oplatforms, that means almost nothing, as it is probably the only thing of its type like that, and any other piece of software for blackberry could make similar claims.

The Blackberry application makes VOXOFON the first service

The Blackberry application makes VOXOFON the first service to offer call cost optimization

The Blackberry application makes VOXOFON the first service to offer transparent call cost optimization

The Blackberry application makes VOXOFON the first service to offer transparent call cost optimization for both the T-Mobile G1 and Blackberry phones

When you represent the company, I expect that they are paying you to write about them.

By the way you can sign your comment yourself with ~~~~. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC) Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi again Graeme, Thank you so much for taking the time to explain exactly what I need to do!!!! I tried what you said and submitted the original article directly using my personal account. It was marked as an advertisement so I took your suggestions above and the original article to someone who writes for academics who has tried VOXOFON but is not directly connected. I had her rewrite it for me, and I resubmitted it directly using my personal account. I could not figure out another way to submit it since the article shows up now when you search VOXOFON. If you think it's best for me to submit it through you, can you please let me know how to do that? Thank you again Graeme! Lisa VOXOFON (talk) 19:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The article is there. I did a little bit of tidying. However one ref says "Houston Business Journal, December 26, 2009" which is not likely to be valid. Also the article is called Voxofon rather than VOXOFON, which is the Wikipedia convention for names. There still should be more internal links in the article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Invest The Happionaire Way

Hi Graeme,

First let me compliment and thank you for making Wikipedia what it is and also going through my article - http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Submissions/Invest_The_Happionaire%E2%84%A2_Way It is because people like you put in time and love, that Wikipedia grows and stays the way it is. The reason the article is important and i feel should be in Wikipedia is because a lot of people might want to know more about the book - Invest The Happionaire Way because it does make a significance change in the world of investing and finance - at least here in India and is a bestseller. Wikipedia does have an article on the author of the book, however not on the particular book. I'm not too much of a Wikipedia expert and will still leave the final decision upto you.

I would be looking forward to hearing from you and please feel free to give me more advice. I would love to learn more and make sure that the articles are worthy of Wikipedia.

Thanks and lot for the help once again.

since the author has an article the content about the book can be mentioned there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

123.201.120.115 (talk) 03:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Karan

Hi, my first suggestion is to not have that TM in the title. It is the policy of Wikipedia not to add this mark. If Happionaire insists on having it then that would exclude it. However the nature of the trade mark registration can be explained in the article.

Secondly when I checked to see how much had been written about it on the web, the answer was very little. For a fairly current book, ir it was popular or notable far more people would be talking about this. This could be the case if the book is old, or only just released, or some aspect is a spelling mistake, or written in another language. 20:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Graeme,

Thanks for that suggestions. Will remove the "TM", I did not know Wikipedia had such a policy. I do not know the nature of the registration, so wouldn't be able to explain it in the article. Probably somebody who does could add to it and we could all get to learn more too.

The book isn't too old nor has it been just released - and I guess most of the discussions should be in English - even though a Hindi translation of the book is also available. As far as I know, it is fairly popular and notable amongst people in the investing community. I will of course leave the final decision up to you, as you have much more experience and understanding of Wikipedia than me, and hope I am able to help the Wikipedia community grow and contribute more.

Thanks a lot once again for the help and suggestion.

P.S: Have made the needed changes. But I think I have not removed some codes. I hope I didn't mess up anything. I'm so sorry for all this trouble.

123.201.246.161 (talk) 05:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Karan

Hi Karan I have declined it again as it still seems to be not yet notable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Graeme,

Thanks. Will see if I find anything in the future to add. As of now, will just let it be and see if I have any other articles to contribute to Wikipedia.

Cheers!

P.S.: It is a bestseller though in India - http://www.crosswordbookstores.com/html/BestSellersDetails.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.91.249.244 (talk) 04:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

219.91.249.244 (talk) 04:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Karan

If it sells plenty of copies it is likely to become notable as people write about it themselves. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Christopherson Travel

I'm fairly new to any serious wiki editing and would like to find the appropriate process for getting content included. Sometimes it seems a little vague how to get others involved in editing rather than simply declining an article.

I first tried creating an AFC for this subject, tried making edits, resubmitting, and eventually moved to content to a user subpage. I'd love any advice, input, help, whatever to get the article ready for publication. Should the article first become a stub? Is AFC the right way to go?

User:Montypics/Christopherson_travel

Montypics (talk) 21:08, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Copyright question

Good to meet you yesterday. I asked a question about using National LIbrary photos. You mentioned that copyright leases after 50 years so does that mean I can use images from the library's website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisfromcanberra (talk • contribs) 08:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

If the photo/picture was published before 1955 in Australia you can use it as it is free of original copyright. The national library was claiming a copyright in the digitization. This has not been tested or proved valid in an Australian court, and was shown to be invalid in USA. However there is a copyright clearance process where you can ask permission. However if you alter the pcitre somehow eg resize, smudge, change contrast etc, the digital form will be different and then you will have permission to release it under GDFL. Or else you can rephotograph or rescan the pciture yourself. Just getting permission to show on wikipedia is not enough, permission has to be much freeer, allowing anyone to use it. 1956 photos will only expire in 2026 as the law changed in 2005. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Copyright violation in Bill Randell

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