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Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin

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Dear Gaelicbow. We seem to share an interest in irish history. You might be my teacher as I am new to the subject and am a foreigner living in Ireland without any knowledge of the Irish language. Thank you very much for your intervention on the article Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin, which still needs a lot of work. I admired your clever maintenance tag {{Failed verification}} and I hope that you will accept the citation from the ODNB article that I threw in as a replacement for the bad one from O'Hart.

On the other hand your change from "Murrough visited Charles I at Oxford" to "Murrough was courted by Charles I at Oxford" does not sound convincing to me. In addition it would of course need a citation.

Why did you delete the statement that said he became a Catholic in 1656? It is perhaps a bit surprising but it is a well-known fact that he did convert towards the end of his life in France. This would of course merit a citation. You could have added a {{Citation needed}} there.

May I tell you that I regret the cropped ID-photo-like face of Inchiquin in the infobox that you threw away and replaced with the full portrait that appeared further down. What made you do this? Is there something in one of the guidelines about this? With best regards and hope of a good collaboration on Irish history with you, Johannes Schade (talk) 14:14, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologies, this indeed needs to be addressed. Many Thanks, Gaelicbow (talk) 15:45, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

February 2023

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Information icon Hello. In a recent edit to the page Kolven, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

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Old English or Hiberno-Norman?

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Dear Gaelicbow, thanks for raising the question of how the Catholic Irish families of Norman origin should be called. You replaced "Old English" with "Hiberno-Norman" in the article Antoine Hamilton. Generalising this in AWB would give several 1000 edits. The term Hiberno-Norman might be more correct but is unpopular. Running a Google Ngram shows "Old English" to be about 3 times more frequent than "Hiberno-Norman". This should perhaps be discussed at WP:Wikiproject Ireland with people like (haphazardly naming some) User:Laurel Lodged, User:Fergananim, User:Mabuska, User:Scolaire. With best regards, Johannes Schade (talk) 08:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely worthy of discussion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I'm open to the view that 'Old English' is more applicable per being more common; feel free to revert my edit on Hamilton if it caused minor contention. I made the bold decision to remove it as a controversial and likely anachronistic term. Let's discuss it further on Hamilton's and or Normans in Ireland talk page. Gaelicbow (talk) 09:56, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
'Old English' would be the more common, however it really only came into being as far as I'm aware after the arrival of 'New English' from the late Tudor and the Stuart periods. In light of that Hiberno-Norman might be a better term for the earlier period, but if sources primarily use 'Old English', or simply 'English', we should go with the weight of evidence. Mabuska (talk) 19:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

County Londonderry

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Please refrain from altering references to County Londonderry to read County Derry. As per WP:DERRY the name of County Londonderry is to be used on Wikipedia. Also please note that, unlike the city naming, the name of County Derry is a purely colloquial name and not a historical name. If you read up on the history of County Londonderry you will see it was created from County Coleraine and there was not a historical County Derry previously that was renamed to Londonderry. Additionally do not try to obfuscate it with different appearances such as you did on Keane (surname). Canterbury Tail talk 12:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, please refrain from altering County Londonderry to read County Derry. As previously explained, and referenced, there was no County Derry prior to County Londonderry. Such edits are considered disruptive on Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail talk 21:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cut-and-paste move

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Deletion of references

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Please do not delete references from articles as you did here in the McCartney (surname) article. Thanks. —  AjaxSmack  14:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anglicisation of Irish writer

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Hi, sorry for an abrupt reversion, but I'm bewildered by your impulse to turn Cathal Ó Searcaigh English! He's a writer mainly - almost entirely - in Irish and living in an Irish-speaking area. He's generally known as Cathal Ó Searcaigh, not Charles Sharkey, and the nearest town is officially Gort a' Choirce. He may have Charles Sharkey on his birth certificate, but then Irish names used often to be anglicised by the Registrar in past times and his parents presumably passively accepted that. I think it's misleading to give him an English name which does not match how he's generally known; it smacks of the "Jams O'Donnell" episode in An Béal Bocht! And to rub it in, it's even put in bold type! So please, let Cathal retain his name and his culture, the latter being under enough pressure already. Dmhball~enwiki (talk) 13:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I take your points and won't contest the revert. But two things: Gortahork is the article title so we should link as such (this is English Wikipedia, not Irish Wikipedia, fi, we wouldn't say a German speaker/someone from Germany was born in 'Deutschland'). Secondly, for those who cannot speak Gaelic, reference to Gort an Choirce and Cathal Ó Searcaigh (without any note of anglicization/birthname) is going to confuse readers unfamiliar with the subject.
Also, note that the personal life / controversy surrounding Ó Searcaigh has nothing to do with this. This is simply a case of following MOS.
Bíodh lá maith agat, Gaelicbow (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that very reasonable reply! OK I'll concede the Gortahork point and when changing it I'll maybe include the Irish version in brackets. And by the way it hadn't even occurred to me that this could be anything to do with the controversy, now still an issue but fading gradually into historic time.
Le dea-mhéin, Dmhball~enwiki (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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Anglo-Irish

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I noticed that you changed a few people from being Irish to being Anglo-Irish. Unfortunately without any evidence. Could you provide sources for that in all the articles where you changed that? The Banner talk 00:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously? They do not need sources when they are self-evident in the content of the article (and the articles of their respective forbears). Do you have any knowledge of Irish history, or know the distinction between ‘Anglo-Irish’ and ‘Irish’? RV the pages if you want (I may contest it) but don’t pester my TP with such nonsense. Gaelicbow (talk) 08:34, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we need sources for that. Conform WP:V. The Banner talk 09:48, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Help with footnote-as-ref on Gray (surname)

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Hello Gaelicbow! (And may I say, nice username! I live with a roommate who's almost 100% ethnically derived from Irish bloodlines, and have gained an even greater appreciation for Irish and Gaelic history as a result!)

I'm a bit of a gnome-ish editor, still getting the hang of bigger areas on en.wiki like reference formatting. I find it comforting to copyedit and double-check changes in tagging, so I came across your recent removal of the "references needed" tag on the page for Gray (surname). I initially reverted your tag removal, but then rightly second-guessed myself and went to look up the status of "Footnotes" in policy. I had misunderstood Footnotes to function more like they do in the publishing world, and now I understand they can serve effectively as references, so I reverted my reversion of your tag removal.

What I was wondering, if you have time to share, is whether or not it would be appropriate to explicitly link the footnote to the introductory sentence of that article, which I believe it's intended to serve as a source for? I also assume that that sole introductory sentence is what the "reference needed" tag had (edit: been) intended for. If you think it's fine as is, please say so, but my instinct was to try to link a direct clickable footnote # at the end of the sentence so readers can immediately see the corresponding footnote.

If you don't have time for this, no worries- I might mosey on over to the Teahouse for a better understanding of references vs footnotes if I don't hear from you this week. I feel a little silly, because even after 15 years as an en.wiki reader and maybe 2 cumulative years of IP editing and then this formal account, I completely missed footnotes being usable as references! There's a lot to get the hang of on this truly impressive, sometimes intimidating, website.

Thanks for your edits, and your edit summaries which made it easy to track what you were doing on that page (even though I still misunderstood it at first, lol). Cheers! Chiselinccc (talk) 00:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Niall Noígíallach — Article Data, Fír Flaithmon

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‘"He is not as I," said Niall, who never uttered falsehood.’ — Torna, reflected by Tadgh, chronicled in the Contention of the Bards c. 1616-1624 (compiled 1918~ Royal Irish Text Society).

The title “Venomous Niall” was given to the “Chief of the Gaidheal” by Mongfionn when he first arrived at Teamhair at the age of 9 years old. This is from the near epic poetry, already referenced in the article, ‘The Adventures of the Sons of Eochiad’.

Source poems are included in common search, yet the Contention of the Bards, compiled by the Irish Text Society in 1918~ provides substantial information regarding the life of this chronicled, in-universe man who clearly is quoted by persons who recorded his words spoken in assembly.

There is a PDF of this compilation available in Irish and English. With this edit, Gaelicbow may be more inclined to begin structuring the data clearly defined and available for cross referencing between the CotB and the “poetry” that details thousands of years of Gaelic (Scythian) history pre-1607 “flight” of the Earls, and pre-1616-1624 “contention” between the remaining Ollamhs of the Northern and Southern lines of Milesians.

In summary, the Poets of this Contention clearly give numerous flag in the road references to traceable persons and happenings based on presumed living people, battles, towns, etc. so a High King such as Niall (Neal) is an axim you may benefit from by gleaning on the perspectives and titles lain upon him by his kin and chroniclers.

To wit,

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Branches of the Cenél Conaill Edit Question

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Hello,

I was recently looking at the Cenél Luighdech (also Sil Lugdach) section of this page, remember that Ó hAmhsaigh was once theorized and placed within the table here. As a O'Dochartaigh Y-DNA Project Administrator I'm often fascinated by these various Septs and how we are seeing some evidence through advanced NGS Y-DNA testing of some of these Septs clustering in compelling ways. However, I have yet to even see within FTDNA a Ó hAmhsaigh based surname tester tested. I long ago forgot it was a part of the table, but recently came back to this page to see if was removed by yourself. I was only curious why? There was no great evidence why it was there in the first place from what I can tell, but I was curious at the same time if there was new evidence somewhere to have it removed.

Thankyou

Dr. Zack Daugherty Volunter O'Dochartaigh Y-DNA Project Administrator Zackdaugherty (talk) 19:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I've reverted your moves of all of the items in Category:Earls of Dunraven and Mount-Earl. I believe the title should not be made more concise without a discussion being held first, and I suggest you start a move discussion so a proper consensus can be obtained. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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