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Your GA nomination of Transfer of merit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Transfer of merit you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Finnusertop -- Finnusertop (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

The article Transfer of merit you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Transfer of merit for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Finnusertop -- Finnusertop (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Navigating Buddhism...

Perhaps SearchSuite.js will help your topic traversal and selection. Let me know if you find it useful.     — The Transhumanist    21:04, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

thanks, The Transhumanist! What topic exactly?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 17:18, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The search insource:"Buddhist", for example, returns 26,189 results. This script allows you to look at them 5,000 at a time as a single-spaced list. One of the items on there caught my eye: Chinese garden. It says:

Wang Wei (701–761) was a poet, painter and Buddhist monk, who worked first as a court official before retiring to Lantian, where he built one of the first wenren yuan, or scholar's gardens, called the Valley of the Jante. In this garden, a series of twenty scenes, like the paintings of a scroll or album, unrolled before the viewer, each illustrated by a verse of poetry. For example, one scene illustrated this poem:

"The white rock emerges from the torrent;

The cold sky with red leaves scattering:

On the mountain path, the rain is fleeing,

the blue of the emptiness dampens our clothes."

SearchSuite.js reformats search results, thereby making it easier to browse subjects.

I was looking for editors who edit lists, and during that search, I came across your contributions, which itself looked like an interesting list to me. Not that it had anything to do with lists (though I did notice Outline of Buddhism on there), that's how our paths crossed.

As I was looking at your work in Buddhism, I wondered if this navigation tool would be of use to you, and so, here we are. ;)     — The Transhumanist    21:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The Transhumanist, that's very considerate. I'm currently traveling and using a mobile device, but I'll try it out as soon as I'm back!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:05, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

The Transhumanist, I don't think the extension works. I've installed it, but the additional menu selections don't show up.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

The menu items show up on the search results page. So, click on the magnifying glass in the search box, then search for something, and the menu items should show up. They are for modifying search results, and are not displayed on just the search box page. You actually have to search for something before you can see them. By the way, once they are set (on/off), they'll stay set for future search results. Let me know if this explanation helps.    — The Transhumanist   18:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

The Transhumanist, I know they appear once you start searching. But they don't show. Probably go too many extensions on my common.js page, causing a conflict. I also got WikEd enabled.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:00, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I copied your common.js over mine, and SearchSuite worked fine. So, it is not anything in your common.js. It is probably one of the gadgets you have activated. You could reset to the default settings, and add them back in one-by-one, checking SearchSuite after each one. When you find out which gadget it is, let me know, so I can report it in the SS docs under known issues. Thank you, and good luck.    — The Transhumanist   22:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, The Transhumanist. Oh, and by the way, congrats with the nice solutions you came up for the portals. I read it in The Signpost.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:32, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   13:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Question

Hello, I have a question for you. On the page The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there has been a strange edit war going on ever since the article went through for DYK. I cannot tell if it's one specific editor using different IP address or multiple editors, but they seem to have a problem with my sourced statement that the Japanese were unfamiliar with Western religiosity, stating in the edit summary that the statement is "bigoted". From at least the perspective of your interest in Buddhism or eastern religiosity, do you see a problem with that statement? It is sourced, but if you think it sounds starkly wrong, I would be happy to remove it. I would appreciate your input, because I haven't really dealt with an edit war on one of my pages before. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 22:39, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, despite your self-ascribed lack of experience in this matter, you did the right thing: you started a discussion on the talk page. If the other editor does not respond there, even if pinged, but does still delete the word, you can WARN him on his user page for disruptive editing. If he repeats, ask for a BLOCK or ban. Discussion is always the preferred choice. But if someone has a personal grudge with Mormonism (or Buddhism for that matter), sometimes they don't want to talk and so you need to take measures.

As to whether I agree with the edit or not is irrelevant: we write what reliable sources say. If someone questions the source, they may do so, but they must come with good reasons why the source isn't good.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 00:58, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

One final question: which other users and ip adresses are involved in this? Just in case there is some socketpuppetry going on here.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 01:02, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Luang Por Dattajivo

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Luang Por Dattajivo you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of WPCW -- WPCW (talk) 22:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

The article Luang Por Dattajivo you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Luang Por Dattajivo for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of WPCW -- WPCW (talk) 00:08, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I am sorry the article did not pass on this occasion. Please see the recommendations, and let me know if you want me to fail it now so that you can renominate it at another time, or give it an extended hold until 24th June 2018, and let me have another look at it. Regards, --WPCW (talk) 00:19, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

WPCW, the issues are minor, and can be fixed within the time which is normally allowed for a GA review. I will continue with this.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

The article Luang Por Dattajivo you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Luang Por Dattajivo for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of WPCW -- WPCW (talk) 20:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Buddhism Lede Revert.

You suggest I talk about the changes I made. I did exactly that. However, you seemed to ignore the talk and reverted without response or review. Please undo your revert or explain your reasoning more clearly on Talk:Buddhism (20040302 (talk) 11:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC))

Answered on your talk page.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:26, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank-you for your swift response. I duly apologise if I came across aggressively. The issue was that the existing link-summary was unduly negative and specific to Buddhism in India, which I feel does not, in any way, reflect an adequate summary of Buddhism on such an important page. It is in light of this that I left my reasoning and made the changes without waiting for further discussion. (20040302 (talk) 12:54, 4 June 2018 (UTC))

Your GA nomination of Sacca-kiriya

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sacca-kiriya you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Rachel Helps (BYU) -- Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

The article Sacca-kiriya you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Sacca-kiriya for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Rachel Helps (BYU) -- Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:22, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Transfer of merit

The article Transfer of merit you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Transfer of merit for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Finnusertop -- Finnusertop (talk) 20:41, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sacca-kiriya

The article Sacca-kiriya you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sacca-kiriya for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Rachel Helps (BYU) -- Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Biblical criticism

Hi! I was so pleased to see someone show up and participate on Biblical criticism! I saw you made some changes to the headers. Do you have any suggestions for what would make this article better? I appreciate all input--any input--really! Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Jenhawk777, in a week or so I would probably be able to another GA review. Article looks good, very good actually. I noticed though that you cite some sources such as the catechism which do not actually mention the subject of Biblical criticism. This can easily constitute SYNTH, a form of original research, and is best avoided. This is just a quick note based on a quick scan. Examples of full GA reviews can be found on my talk page.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:10, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

That is a leftover from the original article--and one I apparently missed when I was removing the several others like it. But tomorrow--tonight I sleep! I will fix that I promise. Thank you so much! If you can do the article review that would be awesome! I didn't know--I just saw your name and was so pleased to see another human I had to say Hi!  :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I just wanted to tell you I followed through on what you said, removed cathechism and replaced it with a decent second source reference. Thank you so so much for catching that. I had to remove several references--blogs, etc.--when I started on it, so I hope there are no others I have missed. I can see you are terrifically busy, but reading here, it looks to me like I would be lucky to get you as a reviewer, so I hope eventually you will be able to make time for it. Thank you up front! Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome, Jenhawk777. I would not consider myself an experienced reviewer, as there are much more experienced reviewers out there. But I do think I have some knowledge and interest in religion which helps me in evaluating articles on WP:GAN#REL (philosophy and religion). I'll get to Biblical criticism later, have to wrap up another review first.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:26, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Well... I am not an experienced writer here on Wikipedia either, so it sounds like we are meant for each other.  :-) I can see you are busy. No worries. Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm back! My procedure went well and I am okay. I'm looking forward to getting back to work. I hope you are too!  :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 00:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Biblical criticism GAR

I hope I don't mess things up to badly, hopefully I'm more constructive than not. Question: Should I strikethrough "my" acted-on comments like you do, or is that unnecessary? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

No, you are not messing things up. It's good to have multiple reviewers, thank you. You could cross out your comments, that would make things more tidy. (Striking out another's comments is kinda not done on Wiki, so I've left yours intact.)--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)Forgot to ping.

Thanks, will do. Small thing, a ping like [1] must also have a tilde-signature, made in the same edit, to work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Really? Where did you learn that? Didn't now that, thanks.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't remember where I learned it, but more at Help:Fixing failed pings. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:33, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Type of Constans

Template:Did you know nominations/Type of Constans has just been posted. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I am curious about the elevation of this article to GA in light of its final paragraph. Can you comment on the discussion at Talk:Type of Constans#NPOV? Thanks. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 18:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I see you have already weighed in there. Thank you for your constructive criticism, I really appreciate the personal touch. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Apparently I was mistaken. Apologies. Will answer over there.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:27, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Luang Por Dattajivo

On 24 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Luang Por Dattajivo, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Thai monk Luang Por Dattajivo writes about economics from a Buddhist perspective? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Luang Por Dattajivo. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Luang Por Dattajivo), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Transfer of merit

On 25 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Transfer of merit, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Buddhism, transfer of merit to deceased loved ones is seen as a better alternative than mourning? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Transfer of merit. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Transfer of merit), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/List of Icelandic writers

Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!

	Icelandic writers
	Thank you for helping review List of Icelandic writers for DYK. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 18:54, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Nice! You are welcome, Frayae!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:12, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Ichthus: July 2018

ICHTHUS

July 2018

The Top 7 report
By Lionelt

The big news was the marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. The Top 7 most popular articles in WikiProject Christianity were:

1. Elizabeth I of England – legendary monarch who ushered in the Elizabethan Era over the dead body of her half-sister (#5)
2. Henry VIII of England – on his deathbed the last words of the king who founded the English Reformation were "Monks! Monks! Monks!"
3. Martin Luther King Jr. – can't wait to see the new US$5 bill featuring the "I Have a Dream" speech
4. Seven deadly sins – surprisingly "original research" is not one of the Seven deadly sins
5. Mary, Queen of Scots – arrested for Reigning While Catholic (RWC)
6. Michael Curry (bishop) – our article says that he upstaged Meghan at her wedding. Did you see her wedding pictures? All I can say is {{dubious}}
7. Robert F. Kennedy – when informed that missiles were being installed in Cuba he famously quipped, "Can they hit Oxford, Mississippi?"

Did you know
Nominated by The C of E

... that the little-known 1758 Methodist hymn "Sun of Unclouded Righteousness" asks God to send the doctrine of the "Unitarian fiend ... back to hell", referring to both Islam and Unitarianism?

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The Last Judgment by painter Hans Memling.

List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events. Predictions of apocalyptic events that would result in the extinction of humanity, a collapse of civilization, or the destruction of the planet have been made since at least the beginning of the Christian Era. Most predictions are related to Abrahamic religions, often standing for or similar to the eschatological events described in their scriptures. Christian predictions typically refer to events like the Rapture, Great Tribulation, Last Judgment, and the Second Coming of Christ.

Polls conducted in 2012 across 20 countries found over 14% of people believe the world will end in their lifetime, with percentages raging from 6% of people in France to 22% in the US and Turkey. In the UK in 2015, the general public believed the likeliest cause would be nuclear war, while experts thought it would be artificial intelligence. Between one and three percent of people from both countries thought the apocalypse would be caused by zombies or alien invasion. (more...)

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Uses for Wikipedia:WikiProject Buddhism/Articles.

Hi Farang Rak Tham, What is Wikipedia:WikiProject Buddhism/Articles used for? Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 12:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Pbsouthwood, it is a list of articles about and categories of Buddhism, to which people add their articles to manually. It was apparently composed by a John Carter, who is now semi-retired. It seems to me an outdated method to get a list of Buddhist articles per category. It also contains many redlinked categories, of which the purpose is unclear. I wonder whether there is an automated method to get a full list of articles within the project to appear as a link on the front page of the project. Would you know about that? If you are knowledgeable about templates and coding, I'd appreciate any advice you could offer on improving the Buddhism Wikiproject.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:55, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't know of an automated way, though I don't see why it shouldn't be possible. Problem is I am not familiar with the languages used to program such things. I was wondering specifically whether you used it for any purpose other than just a record of the articles associated with the project.

For an automated system to work, there must be a way to identify an article which is a member of the set, and to exclude an article which is not a member of the set. How does one identify an article about Buddhism? Are you using categories? They are useful but the article must be tagged for the category by an editor, so not entirely automatic.

If you just want a list of the articles in the Category:Buddhism and all its subcategories that may be easier. Keeping the category tree structure may be more tricky.

I am looking for a way to extract a list of all articles in a category while retaining the category tree structure. I don't mind that there will be redundancy (an article may be in more than one subcategory). My use would be as a base for automated portal building. I would also want to select by article quality/class. For an example a list of articles of B-class or better in the Category:Underwater diving.

I am not much good at templates, and have no Lua at all, but there are quite a number of people with those skills, and some of them seem quite happy to help when you can explain what you need precisely enough.

Are there any specific things you want to do in the project? Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 14:56, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity looks like a good example to me. Wikiproject Buddhism is far less accessible. But I am not sure how to proceed, since I do not have much knowledge about programming.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:02, 5 July 2018 (UTC) pinging.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:07, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

If I ever work out how to do it, I will try to remember to tell you. Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 15:04, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I see.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:03, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Don't give up hope yet, It is high on my list of things to get someone else to do if I can't work out how to do it myself. · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 12:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

DYK for 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations

On 8 July 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations, which led to the imprisonment of high-ranking Buddhist monks, were seen by critics as being politically motivated? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Regarding your assessment of Vyasatirtha

Hello! I would love to hear some more feedback on the article. Didn't quite understand the comments you left (mainly because I'm not familiar with the terms in the context of Wiki). How do you think I could improve it. Prabhanjan Mutalik (talk) 09:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Prabhanjanmutalik. Nice article you submitted for GA! You have obviously put a lot of work in it, and it looks to me it could certainly make it to GA. I commented on the use of language which seems a bit inaccessible at times. Expressions like sub-philosophies and falsity of the world might have to be simplified or wikilinked, and you might just want to review the article for any parts that might be unclear for the uninitiated. I am willing to do a GA review at a later point, of you'd like me to. There are examples of other GA reviews on my user page.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:42, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

It would be great if you could review the article for GA (take all the time you need)! And thank you for the comments. I shall correct it accordingly. :)

Prabhanjan Mutalik (talk) 12:14, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I just wanted to inform you that I have added the context to the article and the appropriate wiki links. Most of the terminology is steeped in intricacies and logical arguments over centuries and in Sanskrit. In any way, have a look when you can and let me know if some parts of really unclear. Ta! :) Prabhanjan Mutalik (talk) 13:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Prabhanjanmutalik, it's a great article and a great subject. But this week I'll be traveling a lot for some work, so you'll have to wait a while...--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 17:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

No issues! :) Prabhanjan Mutalik (talk) 19:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello my friend!

How are you? I miss talking with you!  :-) Do you remember what you told me Biblical criticism would need to become FA? Better sources for a few things I think. Anyway, mostly I just wanted to say hi!  :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:12, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jenhawk777! Biblical criticism could be an interesting FA article! As for me, I am trying to improve WikiProject Buddhism, to make it as interesting as the WikiProject Christianity. And working on Five Precepts and temperance movement.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:28, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

I went and read 'temperance' since it is the thing people are always quoting here as justification for the legalization of drugs, but there is no section on impact or effects--the stats I have seen contradict each other--on whether or not it actually reduced drinking/drunkenness and alcoholism, and the stats on the increase in crime are also contradictory. Some indicate it's less than people assume from the movies and Elliot Ness and all that. They say crime was mainly in a few large cities--or not depending upon who you read! That would be an interesting section to add I think. Anyway. It is an interesting article. I will look at the five precepts too--see if I have anything brilliant to say... :-) How does one go about getting an FA review? I might have recovered enough I could survive it. :-) I assume you can't do it since you did the GA and now qualify as 'involved' in the article--or I would beg you to fit me into your queue. LOL! But I can't seem to find instructions anywhere--maybe you could tell me where to go look or something. I hope you are well--no more stomach problems. I can tell you are keeping busy! How hot does Holland get in July? I do remember that correctly right? You're in the Netherlands--what we call Holland? If I got that wrong forgive me! Here in July it is the time of year for staying inside in the air conditioning--I am on the Gulf of Mexico in the southern US so it is semi-tropical hot here. People in cold climates worry about staying warm in the winter--we worry about not cooking ourselves in the heat of summer.  :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jenhawk777, yes, temperance is often associated with prohibition. The former was motivated by religious piety, optimism and civil rights concerns, but the latter is usually politically motivated and also, often motivated by ethnic profiling. It's very hot here in Holland—we're looking at a very hot summer this year. I tried an FA once, but most of my articles are too niche-specific to be FA material, and it failed. Here's the nomination, with some tips you might want to read. You might want to do a few more GAs first though, if you want my opinion. Keep up the good work! I learnt a lot from your article on Biblical criticism.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:19, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I had no idea that temperance and prohibition were considered separate topics! They are so connected here I guess I never thought about it but of course that makes sense! That is good advice--the only kind you give.  :-) Thanx. I want to keep up with what you are doing, so I will check in on occasion if that's okay. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:15, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

So the quality of your article was good but there wasn't enough interest for consensus? Do I understand that right? Farang that sucks! Totally-s-u-c-k-s!! It should get it based solely on quality. I think you deserved it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:37, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the main reason was the writing was not high enough quality. Furthermore, the fact that it is a specific niche subject makes the article a little technical for FA. Almost every notable subject can be worked into a Good Article, but only some can be Featured Article. Next article I will submit for FA is Angulimala. Speaking of which, do you understand this article? Is it understandable?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:13, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

(Since my opinion is always welcome) I (so far) read the lead, and it was quite understandable (I've stumbled across hard Buddhism before[2]). I would expect the lifestory to begin with "According to Buddhist tradition/Text X" or somesuch. Or perhaps change to "numerous Buddhist texts in Pāli, Sanskrit, Tibetan and Chinese"? Perhaps past tense, was born, grew up etc is more common on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I've added a phrase in the youth section to explain that the story is based on "most Buddhist texts". Let me know if more is required. As for the tense used, I'd argue that per MOS:INUNIVERSE, historical present tense is required in this article. This is especially so since the historical facts of Angulimala's life are mostly unknown.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Interesting. Checking the leads of Saul/David shows one "is" and one "was".

But neither of these are GA. Which indicates you have some work left, Gråbergs Gråa Sång.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 19:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, Isaac is GA. Sun Wukong, sadly, is not... Would you be ok with renaming the "History" section "Story" or "Narrative"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:27, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Maybe just do a GA, Gråbergs. --Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Well wasn't that nice of Gråbergs to drive by and take a shot at you! But his comments are almost always on target. Darn. His first phrasing suggestion makes your text sound more neutral, and the second makes it less confusing for the ignorant--which is most of us. Whereas my FA reviewer has now instructed me to adjust my writing a little to assume a more intelligent reader, I think you should assume you are trying to explain this to a kindergartner--maybe a really stupid kindergartner.  :-) Don't just say, this is the light--say this is called a lamp, lamps give light, they have a switch to turn them on, etc. etc.. Because that's what the average non-Buddhist knows about Buddhism--nothing. The only reason I know anymore at all is because of my college majors--and I didn't know most of this in this article. I thought it was fascinating btw. I think you write amazingly well. Ask me to write in Dutch or Thai and see how well I do. :-)

I went and signed up for the FA mentoring program. It says less than 15% of first time applicants make FA so they are offering mentoring to try and raise that percentage. There was one guy with an interest in religion so--guess what--I picked him! Such a surprise huh? So I am having to redo the references in the anthologies to include the chapter titles and the software is making me redo them one at a time--I used each of them like 20 times. I want to cry. But I just keep typing. Pray for me! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Good for you, Jen! Keep up the good work. Who's the mentor?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:56, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

His name is Josh Milburn. He seems really nice and likes the article and wants to help. He is so very accomplished though I am afraid he will get tired of me long before the article is up to snuff. I am like a preschooler that doesn't even know her abc's and he's a PhD. Read his user page--thoroughly intimidating. He's been nothing but nice and helpful--really great, and I already like him. But I'm worried. He has already asked me to do things I don't know how to do twice. He'll give up on me surely. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Aṅgulimāla

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Your GA nomination of 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations

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Actually, this seemed to be a very straightforward nomination! Admittedly I don't know Thai, but I assume that if you're handling the English-language sources properly (which you are), you're not running some amazingly sophisticated ruse to deceive the world with your Thai references. You're clearly a very careful and thorough editor. As you'll see on the talk page, I've made some suggestions for copy-editing, which you might like to look into. I could have boldly implemented some myself, but there are enough where I'm not certain about whether my suggestion is useful that I thought I would leave it to you. Thanks for your hard work communicating Thai politics to Anglophone readers. Alarichall (talk) 16:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

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Farang congratulations!! YAY!! That's totally awesome! Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:18, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Alarichall. Much appreciated. And thanks for the cheer, Jenhawk777.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 05:02, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Historical criticism of Buddhism

Hey Farang! How are you? Well I hope--certainly staying busy, huh? I am attempting to add some additional views of historical criticism of religions other than Christianity and I wondered if you knew of any that has been done of Buddhist texts. I thought you might have access to sources I don't. I am looking on googlebooks but am having trouble finding much of anything. So far I found one book and it's very negative toward Buddhism. I have no way to judge its content without more references. If you could recommend some sources or if you have any idea where I could look I'd be very grateful. Thank you my friend. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

How are you? Wikipedia is quite quiet now, with everyone going on holiday. Does this study book help? Two former leading scholars in Buddhist historical criticism are Wolfgang Schumann or Richard Gombrich, both of which have tried to stimulated the field. Presently, Gregory Schopen is one of the leading scholars. What book did you find? Maybe try finding a publisher that is not denominational.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I am well--and too darned busy! Thank you so much, this is great. I found one by Schuman and it's the one I thought was negative so I will read more and be sure I understand what he is saying more fully. Three names! This is awesome! Thank you! I will check out the study book too. Denominational? Does Buddhism have denominations? Anyway--thank you again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:13, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Scholars up until the time of Schumann had high standards of independent scholarship and tended to be a arrogant, looking down on Asian local tradition. This has been criticized by later scholars and is sometimes described as the "Pali Text Society mentality".[3] Scholars from before the Second World War were much affected by 19th and early twentieth century orientalism—focusing on an "original Buddhism" that had in the present day become corrupted by "the Eastern race". In the Colonial Period there were political reasons to further such an agenda. Present-day scholars have nearly unanimously reviled these attitudes and are generally more interested in local devotion, Buddhism as it is lived by Asians. Mostly they have stopped searching for the "undefiled" Buddhism "as it used to be", although there is a revival now in textual criticism that focuses on multiple traditions of early Buddhist texts. Schopen is an example of that. Modern-day scholars that focus on Buddhism as it is lived are Peter Harvey[4], Damien Keown and I suppose also Donald Lopez. For more information on approaches in Buddhist studies, see [5].

Forget the remark about denominational—I thought you were reading books from Christian publishers.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:28, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't generally check who published a book until I read it and determine if its content is worth using. Should I do that in reverse do you think? I have had others criticize me for using publishers they thought were not up to snuff. Perhaps I should do that first!

this is really excellent--what you've written here. I don't suppose you might be willing to write a short paragraph on textual criticism and Buddhism would you? I found some interesting information in the Encyclopedia of Buddhism. Buddhism has done some of this, but part of the difficulty is there is not one central text like the Bible apparently--different traditions have different manuscript traditions. So they have to be mentioned separately.

Since the article is "biblical criticism" I don't want to spend a lot of time on this, but in the section of contemporary responses, it seemed appropriate to include at least a little of other traditions as well. What do you think of that idea? Biblical criticism has been predominantly Protestant--I don't know--maybe I just got tired of writing about dead Germans. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:40, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh! I thought you might be interested to know Buddhism has analyzed itself more than anyone else except those dead Germans. Islam has done virtually none. Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Buddhist textual criticism is still in its infancy stages, and is behind Christianity at least half a century. But Buddhists are generally more open to it than some other religions. For a recently started project of textual criticism, see here and here.

Why don't you start working on the article Textual criticism instead? That should cover all religions. I can help you a bit on the part on Buddhism.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 18:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Maybe I'll do that if I ever finish the one I'm on! :-) It probably is off topic here--and it isn't like it needs more content... Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:01, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Jenhawk777, from what I can gather, textual criticism is the broader "mother article"—which includes other religions— whereas biblical criticism is the more specific "daughter" article.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:53, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Biblical criticism is the umbrella term; textual criticism is a method of doing biblical criticism. There are four major methods and multiple smaller ones--all biblical criticism of one type or another. Biblical criticism and historical criticism were originally one and the same--but no longer. Historical criticism has now become just another type of biblical criticism. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

But currently the article textual criticism has a broader focus, Jenhawk777. It also has a section on other religions, which the article biblical criticism obviously cannot have.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, of course, because one can speak of textual criticism as used in any field or religion, and one can only speak of biblical criticism where the Bible is used. That doesn't prove textual criticism is the umbrella term. Textual criticism is just one method of biblical criticism, but as a method it has different uses. Biblical criticism is the big overall concept. I promise. I can cite some sources if you want! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I trust your expertise. Just wonder whether it would be easier to add Buddhist textual criticism in the article on textual criticism, rather than in the article on biblical criticism, that's all.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 05:01, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I wondered too, then decided--arbitrarily--to restrict biblical criticism to its own history and those that use the Bible. I may have determined that just because the darn thing is already so long! I'm interested in the fact an awareness of the need for understanding the how and where and so on of the texts has spread to other faiths. I want to put it somewhere! I think it's interesting that Buddhism has been more open and done more of that than anyone else except the Protestants. Self-examination is a good thing generally I think. I admire that. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Sacca-kiriya

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DYK update for biblical criticism

We got a response--such as it is--will you go do an edit miracle?  :-) She/he likes alternate # 6. But it's really still too long. [6] Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, Jenhawk777, gave some feedback.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 15:12, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

thank you! :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:04, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

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FA nomination

is now underway for Biblical criticism--wish me luck--and show up and comment if you have time! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey! Looks like my article is going the same way yours did. Oh well! What are you working on now? I am beginning to redo ethics. Hope you are well--I can see you're busy! Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:32, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jen, it looks to me like your article is going to make it for FA, since you have many meaningful comments, and you are addressing them well. I am working on five precepts now. Finished about 75%. How did the discussion on ethics end?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah--all of a sudden people showed up! We will see--they are asking me things about images I don't know how to do. I posted at the Teahouse to see if someone would have the patience to instruct me. People are kind and do it for me--but that leaves me in the same place the next time. I really want to learn this stuff. I have started the restructuring at ethics and everyone is being super-cooperative--but I do wish others would show up and write some too. I'll be interested to see your article when you're done! Good luck! Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Luang Por Dhammajayo

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Thanks, Vami IV!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:26, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK

Hello,

Would you mind sharing your thoughts here [7] so we can continue. Thank you. Wikiman5676 (talk) 04:33, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Aṅgulimāla

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Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

What a day! Aṅgulimāla and Ludwigsburg Palace on the front page on the same day. –Vami_IV† 00:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Farang! How incredibly awesome for you! I am so happy I am jumping up and down! Congrats!! Jenhawk777 02:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Vami_IV and Jenhawk777!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 05:35, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Vami_IV and Jenhawk777: thought you would like to know that the entry got 5,898 hits, my personal record! Thanks to all of you! --Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 19:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Wonderful! Totally absolutely wonderful! Jenhawk777 21:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Meanwhile, I can't even get one done! Jenhawk777 21:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh well, you'll get there. Idiosyncratic writing... Your FA seems to go perfect, though.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:25, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Luang Por Dhammajayo

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DYK for Biblical criticism

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Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

biblical criticism

The DYK? came out yesterday and not a single hit on the page has followed. The FAC has been up for over three weeks and it only has one support. Sigh. Thanx to you it's still GA. I knew it was a long shot. Thank you for all you input and support Farang. You were awesome. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Jenhawk777, number of views only show after the DYK appears, and it hasn't shown yet. The dates they tell you are often incorrect. So you will have to wait a little. With regard to getting support, maybe you should ask the reviewers to express their opinion since you have now addressed their concerns. How about the mentor that you asked for help?

I am sure that if you work on it a bit more, you can make it. It's too early to give up. In fact, it's always too early to give up.

Five precepts is up for GA; currently working on Ānanda, none other than the Buddha's attendant. A few sources read, 133 sources left. Your input is always welcome!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 18:14, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Check out the main page--it's there. Thank you Farang. You make me feel better. I would be only too pleased to help you do anything at all--climb any mountain--you name it, it's yours. Jenhawk777 (talk) 21:54, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, you've got 3,409 views— that's pretty good, Jenhawk777.

--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

It jumped! The first 24 hours there was nothing! That is awesome! Thank goodness! Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: There is usually a lag, which is why you didn't see the views at first. Keep up the good work!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Farang! Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Buddhism and rulership listed at Redirects for discussion

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Good Article review?

Hello, I was recommended by Gerda Arendt to seek out a GAR for my article Ludwigsburg Palace from you specifically because of your thoroughness. I wish to take this article all the way to Featured, and what I could use is a thorough reviewer. Would you be able to help me?

P.S. it's a big article.

Signed, –Vami_IV✠ 21:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, thanks for the confidence, Vami_IV. It looks like a good article, very thorough treatment of the subject. Great illustrations (might want to avoid SANDWICHing though). That's my first impression. I will have two do another two reviews that i promised, then i'll get back to you. --Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:32, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Now I come myself with the hope that you can do a GA review, BWV 134a. It's not a big article, may become bigger for FA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your trust, Gerda Arendt, but no, thanks for now. I know too little about the subject—I prefer religious or social topics.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 17:06, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Understand. DYK that he made it religious without changing a note, only the text? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Yeah, I am sure it is religiously beautiful composition... Meanwhile, this section might surprise you. I have just written it a few days ago.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 17:37, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Not surprised ;) - I suggest you use an image of the young Wagner, not the all-too-well-known one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: And thanks for your edits! Do you have a allowable picture of Harvey's opera? Or a picture from the book?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 22:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

There's an image of the librettist, Jean-Claude Carrière. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Nah. Better stick to Wagner. Thanks though. It's weird how the Germans at the time "flirted" with Buddhism. "Never the twain shall meet", but then they did.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

GA review for satyr?

I know you have an interest in mythology and fantasy, so I was wondering if you would be interested in reviewing the article satyr, which I have recently nominated for GA status. I took this article on as a project a few weeks ago because, all the way back when I was in fourth grade, there was a boy in my class who thought (apparently in all seriousness) that I was secretly a satyr disguised as a person. That was how I was first introduced to Greek mythology and, from there, ancient cultures in general. As I grew older, I learned that the original horse-like Greek satyrs were far more obscene than the relatively tame goat-legged ones my elementary school friends and I knew from reading children's fantasy literature. Nonetheless, I still find satyrs interesting because they fall in the uncanny "twilight zone" between the human and the divine, much like the brownies of English folklore that I wrote about earlier this summer. I would be willing to review one of your articles in turn. --Katolophyromai (talk) 05:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Katolophyromai, I'll have to pass this time. I am presently mostly writing rather than doing reviews. Some other time. --Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 09:33, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Alright. I will see if I can find someone else to review it then. Thanks for your reply. --Katolophyromai (talk) 12:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Katolophyromai It's not a categorical no—just a temporary no for now. You might want to try Alarichall though, who writes about mythology a lot, both on Wiki and in real life as a researcher.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:41, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Or else, try an editor on the list at Wikipedia:Feedback request service#Philosophy and religion--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 14:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I will see if Alarichall would be willing to review it, then. Thanks for the advice! --Katolophyromai (talk) 16:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Wish

Hello. Help improve the quality of the article Maureen Wroblewitz on Wikipedia:Did you know? articles. Thanks you. 113.160.130.156 (talk) 10:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Not quite certain what you mean. There's no such article at DYKN.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 10:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

You can extend the article to quality B.113.160.130.156 (talk) 10:50, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your confidence, but supermodels are not really my expertise, lol. I write about religious and social subjects.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:54, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Ariyavongsagatanana (Amborn Ambaro)

I just created Ariyavongsagatanana (Amborn Ambaro). Please add information as you see fit. A section on the circumstances of his appointment would be good as well as role (or lack thereof) in the 2017–2018 crackdown would also be good. Please help. Thanks in advance. --Sodacan (talk) 14:35, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Sodacan, okay. By crackdown do you mean the 2017–18 Thai temple fraud investigations?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 17:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes sir. --Sodacan (talk) 23:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Five Precepts

I'm not very familiar with the GA review process- happy to provide feedback if I can but I'm not really sure what all the review entails. It looks like a very thorough and well sourced article- the one thing that jumped out at me was that the introduction is a little long by MOS standards and it might be helpful to move some of that content into an overview section. If you can point me in the right direction I'm happy to help as I have time. --Spasemunki (talk) 01:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

@Spasemunki: Well, you strike me as the right person for the job. I have noticed scores of articles about Buddhism in which you had a role. Thank you for the tip about the lead, I'll have another go at it. If you want to learn more about the GA process, you might want to read WP:GA?, which contains all the information you need. --Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 08:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I have some comments regarding these sentences in the current Five Precepts article :"In countries where Buddhism had to compete with other religions, such as China, the ritual of undertaking the five precepts developed into an initiation ceremony to become a Buddhist lay person. On the other hand, in countries with little competition from other religions, such as Thailand, the ceremony has had little relation to the rite of becoming Buddhist." Firstly, the first sentence is not totally true. Traditionally in China one can take refuge without taking all five precepts. The number of precepts taken were indicated by incense burns on parts of the body. Secondly the numerous kingdoms of Ancient India were places where Buddhism had to compete (often very fiercely) with other religions. So do you mean to suggest Ancient India had a initiation ceremony combining the three refuges and five precepts? Since the first statement is untrue, the contrast with the second should be unnecessary. I think its important to emphasize in this article the importance of the five precepts in all forms of Buddhism surviving today. That's why I changed the sentence. Hopefully you agree. I can find more reliable secondary sources for the statement but it may involve translating secondary sources. Or you could help me locate some English language sources emphasizing the importance of the five precepts to all schools of Buddhism?Hanbud (talk) 00:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Hanbud, please be reminded that the lead of the article is a summary of the body of the article. Thus, changing the lead needs to follow the body. In the body you will find the sources cited for the part on the role of the five precepts in different countries. If you want to change the article, check whether the sources are used accurately, and continue the discussion from there. Wikipedia editing is not just writing your opinion (or mine, for that matter), but finding, checking and using sources correctly.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:05, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

This is the text in the body, which is summarized in the lead, including the sources:

In Early Buddhist Texts, the role of the five precepts gradually develops. First of all, the precepts are combined with a declaration of faith in the triple gem (the Buddha, his teaching and the monastic community). Next, the precepts develop to become the foundation of lay practice. The precepts are seen a preliminary condition for the higher development of the mind. At a third stage in the texts, the precepts are actually mentioned together with the triple gem, as though they are part of it. Lastly, the precepts, together with the triple gem, become a required condition for the practice of Buddhism, as lay people have to undergo a formal initiation to become a member of the Buddhist religion. In countries in which Buddhism was adopted as the main religion without much competition from other religious disciplines, such as Thailand, the relation between the initiation of a lay person and the five precepts has been virtually non-existent, and the taking of the precepts has become a sort of ritual cleansing ceremony. The precepts were often committed to by new followers as part of their installment, yet this was not yet very pronounced. However, in some countries like China, where Buddhism was not the only religion, the precepts became an ordination ceremony to initiate lay people into the Buddhist religion.

I have made some adjustments, based on your suggestions.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 07:48, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

References

I removed a sci-hub link from the Kohn ref, as that site is blacklisted and having it present could interfere with others editing this talkpage. DMacks (talk) 06:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, DMacks.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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Deletion of Marc Lesser Page

Hello – I created a WP page for Marc Lesser with initial material available to me and the plan to significantly expand the reference material. Looking around WP I am amazed hwo many 2-line pages with barely any information stay around while it was decided that the Marc Lesser page needs to be deleted because there is only an article from Forbes as well as material from the NYT. I am reaching out to y0u as you were the only positive voice in the discussion. Yes – I know Marc – no secret here – he has been my teacher for 10 years – that does not mean I am unable to write in an objective way. it is hard to write about someone you don't know at all and you have no relationship at all. if I'm a fan of the works of Leonardo – does that mean I'm biased?

Marc has done significant work in the Silicon Valley and worldwide and should be represented on WP. How do you suggest to proceed from here?

Thank you for your consideration

Florian Brody (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Though I have no personal connection with the Search Inside Yourself projects, it seemed to me the deletion was unwarranted and likely to be politically motivated, which is why I tried to stop it. Unfortunately, the Buddhism Wikiproject has been a sleepy hollow for quite a while now, and you cannot expect much of a response to come from there. There also seemed to be a suspicious issue with deletion discussion notices not getting through, as the one on Buddhism did not get through to the notice list of the project. Regardless, there was not enough input, and the admins tried to postpone closing the discussion as long as they could, but in the end they had to close it in favor of deletion.

The venue to proceed from this point is to request undeletion, but you might want to start giving your opinion at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Search Inside Yourself Leadership Institute discussion first. If that article goes, Lesser's article is certainly not coming back.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

See here for some helpful pointers if you want to recover the article about Marc Lesser—unless you want to focus on the SIYLI project first. Please note that having a COI cannot be used as a valid argument in a deletion discussion, but having a COI can lead you to be forced not to edit a particular article. Mostly this involves financial interests though. Emotional as opposed to financial conflicts of interests are harder to define and to prohibit (try preventing the entire of China to edit an article about their government or the entire of Thailand to edit Buddhism in Thailand—and how is that not systemic bias? ), unless you go asking for such prohibitions by confronting people up front about your emotional bond.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:43, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

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Request for help

Hello,

I noticed that you edit from the mobile site, and I was hoping that you could help me. The mw:Editing team has posted some ideas about improving the editing experience on the mobile site at mw:Visual-based mobile editing/Ideas/October 2018. Could you look through that and tell them which ideas you like best (or least)? It's really helpful for them to hear from experienced editors who are familiar with the problems. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:45, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, Whatamidoing (WMF), sure.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 20:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Great article creation in 'Thus have I heard'! Keep it up! Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 16:07, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, that's very kind, SshibumXZ! I will certainly keep it up. --Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

And a baked apple for you!

The Bratapfel with extra vanilla for 'Thus have I heard. Excellent idea - good implementation.'! JimRenge (talk) 18:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, JimRenge!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 08:06, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Thus have I heard

On 6 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thus have I heard, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that most Buddhist discourses start with the words Thus have I heard, which are traditionally attributed to the attendant of the Buddha? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thus have I heard. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Thus have I heard), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Vanamonde (talk) 12:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Holidays!

May a serene and snowy Holidays season await you. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:38, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Vami_IV!--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 06:04, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Eight precepts

On 9 January 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Eight precepts, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Buddhist eight precepts allow lay people to lead a life similar to a monk for a day? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Eight precepts), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 9 January 2019 (UTC)