User talk:DankJae/Archives/2023/November

Irish Language at BGCS

There is no source as it is just the irish translation of the station. RooneyDonal21 (talk) 17:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@RooneyDonal21, still isn't that a bit WP:OR? If it isn't signposted or used, then probably best not included. I tried searching the term online and nothing has come up. Plus there doesn't seem to be an Ulster-Scots name either. DankJae 17:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Its the native language of Northern Ireland though after English.Irish language in Northern Ireland - Wikipedia . Ulster Scots is a dialect of Irish Scottish and English. It doesn't appear on government buildings in Northern Ireland where Irish and English do. RooneyDonal21 (talk) 18:00, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@RooneyDonal21, But this translation does not appear either, and government buildings and railway stations aren't exactly the same. But, won't escalate the issue further, although another could disagree. Irish names are usually absent on NI stations (for now), their station signs only have English on it. Change in legal status only applies if Translink/NI Railways use it to introduce Irish names, if they do, then Wikipedia should follow, not promote/generate names before. DankJae 18:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Next election infoboxes

Hi @DankJae. I saw the template guide which says you place the leaders in order of position in the election but there doesn't seem to be guidance for "Next" elections so I have previously used the latest reliable opinion polls to determine the position. Just thought I'd explain. I will leave the order of leaders using the previous election result if you think the same guidance suggests using previous results for "Next" pages. Thanks Titus Gold (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

@Titus Gold, opinion polls can be very variable and not entirely reliable, one can have Sinn Fein ahead, another one could have the DUP, so basing it on the existing MPs (as stated in the infobox)/vote share, from the last election seems the most stable and reliable, otherwise Next United Kingdom general election in Scotland would be switching around every week, and Next United Kingdom general election has the Tories first despite the "current unpopularity". Ofc, if (as highly expected) Sinn Fein win the most NI votes on the next election day, then they can be moved to first then. Diolch DankJae 21:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Agreed on this logic! Diolch Titus Gold (talk) 21:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Thanks for creating Menter Môn! Take a nice rest! Timothytyy (talk) 14:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! DankJae 14:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Eryri National Park Lakes

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I assume that you've seen news articles such as these; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67431789, although I haven't seen a published list of standard lake names. It seems that waterfalls and mountains are to be standardised in Eryri also. Perhaps it would be sensible to gather some evidence in relation to this in preparation for establishing page names in the near future, as I have gratefully seen you do for other place names. Thanks Titus Gold (talk) 00:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC) @Titus Gold, yes I've seen the articles and @Ham II also alerted me, currently in the process on possibly making the normal standardised place name lists (first). If they publish the lake name list then may make a list of that too. Although such a list would only be considered one source, and official names, just because, is not the argument to use. But it would be easier to keep an eye on them, should common use change and then either minimally the leads should change (bolding Welsh name), then possibly the article title, when common usage changes evidently. Diolch DankJae 00:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC) Agree with all you say here. Thanks for making a list. After having a look, I've seen some discussions and edits are continuing one year on from Eryri National Park/Parc Cenedlaethol Eryri & Yr Wyddfa being brought in. I haven't looked at how widely used the Wyddfa is, but Eryri now seems to be the most commonly used word for the national park. Is now an appropriate time to consider a RM perhaps just for Eryri? Titus Gold (talk) 00:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC) @Titus Gold, because the Snowdonia article covers both the region and the national park, it would require a bit more analysis as it must also consider general use (referencing the region) as the article isn't just the national park (anymore). Let alone the general opposition to such a proposal, so have to make sure any proposal is clear as possible in hope of passing. Additionally, as I found out at WLS, sources ideally have to omit "Snowdonia" entirely and consistently. Some publications I read, like Daily Post (North Wales) (which discusses the area most regularly) switch the name they use in every article, while others still use "also known as Snowdonia", so personally not sure if it is the time yet. In terms on using Eryri/Yr Wyddfa in articles, if it refers to those articles directly, that technically goes against MOS:GEO and WP:NCGN and has to be reverted, but if it refers to Eryri National Park Authority for example, as that does not have an article nor a geographic name "Eryri" can be used as it refers to an entity formally. I'll nonetheless look if there is a case (at some point, it will be a lot of work), but even three sources routinely using "Snowdonia" can easily stall a proposal. DankJae 01:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC) @Titus Gold, I would also like to note that the source you provided, also uses Snowdonia. DankJae 01:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC) Ok, thanks for your thoughts. I don't think e.g Snowdonia, Snowdon, Brecon Beacons, Bala Lake need to be completely excluded in media sources, otherwise that argument would work both ways. If there is a majority of published sources prioritising e.g Eryri, Bannau Brycheiniog in some way then that I think is sufficient. Eryri is probably the one with the best evidence for change at the moment. Titus Gold (talk) 15:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Welsh settlement populations

Ey up! I don't suppose you know where the ONS are hiding the Welsh community populations from the 2021 census? I just can't find them, and all I'm trying to do is cite Holyhead's population. A.D.Hope (talk) 12:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@A.D.Hope, you could probably decipher the population of all persons under this dataset however, no idea how to cite it. It gave 12,103 for Holyhead (parish). DankJae 13:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

The lack of a simple, citeable list of parish/community/whatever populations is really frustrating. I'll have a look, thanks. A.D.Hope (talk) 13:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Could you do me quick favour and see if, when you open this link, it shows the Anglesey community populations? Ta, A.D.Hope (talk) 15:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@A.D.Hope, nope doesn’t work, I think I had tried that too DankJae 16:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I suspected it wouldn't work, thanks. There must be a knack to it. A.D.Hope (talk) 16:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for your efforts

		The Epic Barnstar
		Awarded for you work on List of rulers in Wales. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 18:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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