User talk:RooneyDonal21

RooneyDonal21

Unsourced Irish names

Do not add unsourced self translated Irish names to articles. Per WP:IMOS all Irish names need to be in use and sourced. This means the subject in question needs to use the Irish name and we need a reference to prove this. Currently you're self-translating names into Irish which is WP:OR. This is not acceptable on Wikipedia. If the subject provides an Irish name (not an Irish language newspaper or the like using one they've made up and self-translated) and we can reference it then we can add it. However at this time there are no official Irish names for Northern Ireland train stations, however I'm sure it will come with time. Canterbury Tail talk 18:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

They are not unsourced you can see them here List of railway stations in Ireland RooneyDonal21 (talk) 21:28, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia cannot be used as a source. You will need to provide a reliable source for every Irish name you try to put into an article, and not just something someone translated one day but evidence of its official usage by the organisation in question. And I just looked at those names, they were made up by a single user one day who didn't source them (there are no sources for the Irish names in that article) and hasn't edited since so they're now removed. Canterbury Tail talk 20:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Your edits have been reverted again. It's been explained that you cannot just list where somewhere has made a translation and call it the "official Irish name". The station in question has to actually use the name, as does its owner. An organisation in another country that just translates it for their website does not count as the actual official name of these stations. The names need to be 1) officially used and 2) used by the organisation in question. Your sources are just an organisation in another country making a translation into their own language, they don't appear at the stations or in any official material of the owning organisation. Canterbury Tail talk 14:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

ok i will email translink then RooneyDonal21 (talk) 15:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

That would then be original research and you would be unable to prove the response from them one way or another. Best way is to wait until they naturally get the Irish names. This will happen, likely in the next year or two I'd imagine. We're not in a hurry on Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail talk 15:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

so there's basically nothing I can do RooneyDonal21 (talk) 15:29, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Due to the fact that they don't officially have any Irish names, unfortunately yes. Until they are given official and used Irish names there isn't anything. You can't reference or use something that doesn't exist at this time. Canterbury Tail talk 17:48, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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Mass moving of pages

Hi. You appear to have undertaken a "mass move" of a number of articles. While you have not provided any explanations in the majority of related summaries, it seems that you are making these moves based on the understanding that the "new" titles are the WP:OFFICIALNAMEs of the topics. There are a number of issues to consider here:

• BOLDMOVE. While WP:BOLDMOVE provides that an autoconfirmed editor can "boldly" move any article (where no article exists at the new title, there's been no previous discussion about the title, and it is unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move), the other side of this coin is WP:RMUM. In that any "objecting" editor can revert bold moves of this type. Where the new titles is questioned. As, frankly, I have done in several cases.
• EDSUMM. While BOLDMOVE allows for bold moves, WP:ES expects that editors provide a brief explanation for their changes. Including moves. In your mass move activity, you have not provided edit summaries. Explaining or justifying your changes. This is far from ideal.
• COMMONNAME. Wikipedia's naming convention is based on the WP:COMMONNAME (and not the WP:OFFICIALNAME) of a subject. There is every indication (in several local news and spoken and other sources) that the simple/natural language term, "Dundalk railway station", is the common name of that station. For example. And limited evidence that the full/formal/official/"long" name is commonly used. If moving titles, you would ideally need to demonstrate and evidence (and at the very least explain) your belief that the new title is the common name.

Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 12:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

These are just the official names of each station as provided by the National Transport Authority of Ireland and Irish Rail RooneyDonal21 (talk) 13:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@Guliolopez RooneyDonal21 (talk) 17:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi. If* those are the official names (as used by IÉ or the NTA or FTI or whatever) then that's grand. But that doesn't mean that the articles should all (automatically) be moved or renamed. It is the common name of a subject that determines the title of the article. Not its official name. You might wish to note, for example, that the official name of St Pancras station is "London St Pancras International". But that article isn't titled as such. Because the common name is St Pancras railway station. Ditto Leeds railway station. Which is officially "Leeds City railway station". Etc.

(* I say "if", because I'm also not convinced that Dundalk station is "officially" called "Dundalk Clarke railway station". For example. The TFI and IÉ websites list it as "Dundalk (Clarke)". With "(Clarke)" in brackets. Seemingly as a qualifier/clarifier. Not outside brackets as part of a long name. Like "Dundalk Clarke railway station". Whatever the case, even if this were (verifiably) the full/formal/official name, unless it was also the common name, we wouldn't retitle the article.)

Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 19:42, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

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NOTTIMETABLE/NOTTRAVELGUIDE

Hi. If you haven't already, please consider reading WP:NTT. As per the guideline, while it is likely within project guidelines to state that a station is served by a certain number of trains (or buses) per hour, replicating or mirroring large volumes of data from timetables (or repeating information such as train times or service hours which is subject to frequent change) is typically considered a form of "directory writing". Wikipedia isn't a travel guide. Information useful to travellers can be added to the sister project at Wikivoyage. Which does include travel guide type content. (Listing all ~30 buses that serve Tara Street Station, including route information and preceding and succeeding stops, is something that can be covered on the TFI or bustimes.org or Dublin Bus websites. It is overkill [and not strictly within project scope] to mirror or republish the same information on Wikipedia.) Guliolopez (talk) 19:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

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Belfast Grand Central

Please stop replacing links to Lanyon Place and Europa Bus Centre etc with links to Belfast Grand Central. Belfast Grand Central isn't open yet and until it is those other places are still operating. Continually changing things to be what isn't true is consider disruptive editing so please stop adding in what is, for the next 11 days, incorrect information. Canterbury Tail talk 17:53, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

It is 11 days and people checking the wikipedia pages aren't probably coming tomorrow. RooneyDonal21 (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

It also allows time for webscrawers to update RooneyDonal21 (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

And it could be delayed in opening. We don't deal with the future in that way, people reading all those articles need the correct information, not future aspirational information. It can wait until it actually is to be changed. And the webcrawlers are not our concern, only accuracy of our articles. Canterbury Tail talk 20:41, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Undiscussed moves

Hi. Can you please not move pages unilaterally. Especially when there has already been a concern raised (and a thread opened) about whether and what article title should apply.

Per WP:RMUM, pages should only be moved (without discussion) when "There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title" and/or "It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move".

I had already opened TWO discussion threads about the title of the Dundalk railway station article. Including on your own User Talk page just above. And on Talk:Dundalk railway station.

And, ignoring these two open discussion threads (and what the policy says about moving articles where there may be a question about the title or a potential objection to the new title), you just decided to move the title anyway. Full steam ahead. Forget other editors and guidelines or even common courtesy. Just move the article without any notice/engagement at Talk:Dundalk railway station at all?

Please engage at Talk:Dundalk railway station to explain/support ("after the fact" in this case) your change. As the explanation in your edit summary ("inline with irish rails offical name and other similar station names") doesn't really address the concerns previously raised. Including WP:OFFICIALNAME....

Bye. Guliolopez (talk) 10:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I have also opened a thread at Talk:Bangor Bus and Rail Centre (Northern Ireland). Because, I note, you also recently moved that title. Without any discussion or note. And again with what appears to be an WP:OFFICIALNAME justification/explanation. When it isn't the "current" or "official" name that determines article titles. But WP:COMMONNAME. And, even if there's evidence that the station is now commonly known as the "Bangor Bus and Rail Centre", the title you've applied doesn't reflect this. The title you've applied appears to carry a superfluous parenthetical DAB suffix. That isn't needed for either COMMONNAME or DAB or other technical/policy reasons. Please consider contributing to that discussion too. So we can figure out what to do there (also "after the fact"). Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 11:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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"Strike through"

What is the purpose of this edit? Where you "struck through" text? But left it on the main article namespace? For MONTHS? You didn't explain or justify or support any of these changes? If text should be removed, then why not remove it? If text is to be retained, then why not just retain it? Why are you treating the main article namespace as if it is some form of interim sandbox or something akin to the Draft namespace? How is the reader supposed to interpret these "strike throughs"? Guliolopez (talk) 20:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

It was for Belfast - Lisburn closure it will be removed tomorrow when the line reopens. RooneyDonal21 (talk) 20:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Strikethroughs may not be used on Wikipedia as per MOS:STRIKETHROUGH. There's a reason there isn't Wiki markup for it. Canterbury Tail talk 21:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hi. With thanks for your recent additions to the Mullingar railway station, please try to avoid promotional/editorial flourishes. While our writing doesn't have to be completely dry and lifeless, the WP:NPOV and WP:TONE guidelines expect that articles should be written in a relatively formal/factual/neutral tone. For example, instead of saying that:

• the station is "well-served by various bus routes", consider saying that it is "served by various bus routes". (What does the "well" add? Other than a promotional tone?)
• these bus services "[are] providing convenient connections to multiple destinations", just list the destinations. (The "convenient connections" editorial can only be read as advocacy.)
• "For those requiring parking, the station provides a car park", just state that there's a car park. The "for those requiring parking" adds nothing. Other than WP:NOTGUIDEBOOK vibes.
• the "station [building] offers a range of facilities to ensure passenger comfort and convenience", just leave this flowery editorial out entirely. A cited explanation of the facilities will suffice. Describing a waiting room, toilet and ticket machine as "facilities to ensure passenger comfort and convenience" is not in keeping with guidelines. And, frankly, odd.

Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 21:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)