User talk:Czar/2014 May–Aug

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Kioritz and Shindaiwa

Hi Czar, Thanks for closing the AfD/ merger discussion for the two above-referenced articles. I have completed merging them, as well as the closely related Echo tools article, with the main article, Yamabiko Corporation. Clean up (deletion) of the merged articles remains to be done. Can you take care of that? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

@DASonnenfeld: when you're ready, you can remove the tags and redirect the article. Merge resolutions end in redirect instead of deletion so as to preserve the attribution credits in the article history. When merging, editors generally mention the revision from which the text originates, and usually leave a template on the talk page to note that the page contains merged content. Let me know if you need a hand with something specific czar ♔ 20:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 April newsletter

Round 3 of the 2014 WikiCup has just begun; 32 competitors remain. Pool G's Adam Cuerden (submissions) was Round 2's highest scorer, with a large number of featured picture credits. In March/April, he restored star charts from Urania's Mirror, lithographs of various warships (such as SMS Gefion) and assorted other historical media. Second overall was Pool E's Godot13 (submissions), whose featured list Silver certificate (United States) contains dozens of scans of banknotes recently promoted to featured picture status. Third was Pool G's ChrisGualtieri (submissions) who has produced a large number of good articles, many, including Falkner Island, on Connecticut-related topics. Other successful participants included Cliftonian (submissions), who saw three articles (including the top-importance Ian Smith) through featured article candidacies, and Caponer (submissions), who saw three lists (including the beautifully-illustrated list of plantations in West Virginia) through featured list candidacies. High-importance good articles promoted this round include narwhal from Reid,iain james (submissions), tiger from Cwmhiraeth (submissions) and The Lion King from Igordebraga (submissions). We also saw our first featured topic points of the competition, awarded to Czar (submissions) and Red Phoenix (submissions) for their work on the Sega Genesis topic. No points have been claimed so far for good topics or featured portals.

192 was our lowest qualifying score, again showing that this WikiCup is the most competitive ever. In previous years, 123 (2013), 65 (2012), 41 (2011) or 100 (2010) secured a place in Round 3. Pool H was the strongest performer, with all but one of its members advancing, while only the two highest scorers in Pools G and F advanced. At the end of June, 16 users will advance into the semi-finals. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 17:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Fez

Since we've got the studio to release the box art, perhaps it would be worthwhile to reach out to them in regards to releasing File:Fez Rotation.jpg? Sven Manguard Wha? 00:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I later replied post-archive at User_talk:Sven_Manguard#Fez czar ♔ 21:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		For your great work copy-editing on Grand Theft Auto V, without which would have made the article's promotion to Featured Article status very difficult. CR4ZE (t • c) 04:46, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: WPVG

Should be fixed now; they also needed "|TF_9_QUALITY = yes" to turn on the categorization. Purging the page lets me see that Fez is now in B-Class indie game articles, though the category itself might need a little bit to catch on. --PresN 04:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Overcompressed JPEG

Hi, you recently added {{Overcompressed JPEG}} to File:54th Bn CEF.jpg. Just so you know, this template is designed for images for which JPEG is the right choice of format (nearly always photographic or photo-realistic images), but the compression strength has been set too high. If it isn't a photographic image, or anything remotely resembling one, then it shouldn't be in JPEG format at all, and so shouldn't be tagged with {{Overcompressed JPEG}}. The correct template with which to tag such images is {{BadJPEG}}. Good luck. — Smjg (talk) 09:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Phil Fish (video game developer)

The article Phil Fish (video game developer) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Phil Fish (video game developer) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tezero -- Tezero (talk) 01:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Note that I did leave a few comments; nominators don't always look. Anyway, thanks for the barnstar! Tezero (talk) 01:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014

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OK I'll just jump in on BracketBot's thread here since this is on the topic of Mischief Makers. I've recently been scanning and OCRing a bunch of old mags and I just took a look through them for more Mischief Makers content. I found some odds and ends but I think the most usable stuff comes from Retro Gamer:

• Retro Gamer No.31 describes the game as "a masterpiece of mayhem" and "well worth finding and buying purely for [its] unbridled quality" (p.23) and it puts the game at #80 in its list of "Essential Nintendo 64 Games" (p.26).
• Retro Gamer No.52 covers Rakagaki in its "Full of Eastern Promise" article and mentions that Mischief Makers' Marina is an unlockable character. (p.36)
• Finally there's also a blurb (a sidebar-style box) covering Mischief Makers in the "Nintendo 64/Ultra 64" subsection of the "Nintendo's Greatest Games" article in Retro Gamer No.4. where they say it's a great game and give it a rarity score of 7/10 with 1 being the most common and 10 being rarest (p.24).

Feel free to use any of that if you need it. And let me know if you need more details like author, editor, etc. -Thibbs (talk) 11:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

@Thibbs: Excellent! Yes, I'd love the authors (when you have a chance) so I can do the full citations czar ♔ 11:57, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, the RG31 blurb is written by Mat Allen. The RG52 article "Full of Eastern Promise" is done by Mike Bevan. and the RG04 piece was authored by Jonti Davies. Good luck with the article. It's a great game. -Thibbs (talk) 12:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Titanfall

I'm confused as to your reasoning for reverting my edit. In gaming, the term "exclusive" is used to describe a game that is released to one console/PC or something, like Halo: Combat Evolved or Gears of War before its Windows port. But Titanfall was planned to be released on those three platforms anyhow. Further, I fail to see how "exclusively to Microsoft Windows, Xbox 360 and Xbox One" is necessary, let alone accurate. For instance, Gears of War 2 was only released to Xbox 360, but rather than call it an exclusive, it just states that it was published for Xbox 360. The "exclusive" part can be inferred. Corvoe (speak to me) 02:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

@Corvoe: There was a kerfuffle over whether the game would come to PS4 which led EA to announce that it was exclusive "for the life of the title". Adding "exclusively" to the opening line is an allusion to that (without going into depth), though I brought it to the talk page if you would prefer it phrased differently. czar ♔ 13:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: enwp10

Thanks - I have emailed CBM about PeerReviewBot and VeblenBot, which both have not run since April 30. I will also ping CBM about enwp10. CBM does not check his email often, so I am not sure how long it will take. There was a server change with wmflabs.org back around the end of March that messed things up - I wonder if something similar is going on here now. I was able to do the monthly PR maintenance (making the new monthly category for VeblenBot) around May 1, so that is not the problem. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:22, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

SR2

As you've probably already noticed, I've been starting on some copy-editing on Saints Row 2. I think this one's probably easier to get to GA than Saints Row. I'd love to have you on board if you have the time to work on the article as well. I'm working my way through Development, but there's plenty other parts that could do with snipping. Except Reception, which needs a rewrite/expansion from the ground up. Interested? CR4ZE (t • c) 06:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@CR4ZE: Doesn't look too far from GA apart from needing a cleanup, a source verification, and some TNT in the ugly parts. I usually write my articles from scratch, but I could benefit from not always doing that. How about I start with Reception, and I'll add to gameplay/sourced plot as much as possible, and maybe you work with the Development? Did you add that stuff way back when? I won't be free until the end of May, but I can do this off/on until I have time then, if that works for you. We can pick this up on the talk page czar ♔ 01:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Re:CSD tag removed

Actually, I'm flying by the seam of my pants because I do not usually work with deletions, its just a the moment I happen to be very...emotionally unstable, and since homicide is not an acceptable solution to one's problems I've been raiding the csd category to work through some of my emotional baggage. As for the removal of the tag, I thought it redundant if the article was at afd anyway, I didn't see a point in having two deletion requests of different origin for the same article, so I decided to give priority to the afd to strength the csd claim if the article was recreated. You can add the csd tag back if you like, I won't complain or question it, this is merely a 'what I was thinking' explanation, and for all I know you may be the one in the right here. TomStar81 (Talk) 14:29, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

It won't, cause she's married now, and no amount of begging or pleading is going to bring her back. I've watched my world be wiped out three separate times before in post transfers issued by some nameless guy sitting in a desk in the pentagon, but I always got a goodbye before we left. Now I can say for certain that the absence of a definitive end in a relationship (as defined by receiving a goodbye) is surely the cruelest form of unusual punishment on this earth. and the worst part of this whole affair? Never knowing why... It been gnawing at me constantly these last few weeks, and that in turn has caused my emotional state to alternate between anger and sorrow/despair on a infrequent basis. All the same, though, thanks for the words of encouragement. I just have to get through this (which of course is easier said then done, but as plenty of people will testify to, not altogether impossible to do if you put your mind to it). TomStar81 (Talk) 14:39, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Reply from Gamer

I checked out the template you made and it does look cleaner than its current look. Probably will be hard for me to edit on since I sometimes update the list on a mobile phone. Though, before it gets implemented, there should be a thread up at the Video games project about this since the last time the to do list was updated, there had to be consensus on what it had to be. GamerPro64 00:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64: It should actually be easier to edit, if you take a look at the wikicode. I have a few different options to make it stupidly simple, require less copy-paste. Not looking to implement it right away—I want to polish it up before I present it for consideration czar ♔ 00:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay I got you. Also I was looking at the images involving the Atari landfill and I've wondered if one of the images, more so this one, would have a chance at FPC. Been a while since I tried to nominate something of the like there. I don't know. It looks like it has potential. GamerPro64 01:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

You could try, but I think there are better video game-themed candidates. I didn't find anything in that set ultra-impressive. czar ♔ 01:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay cool. I'll probably talk to a veteran on Featured Pictures about the selection to get their intake on the set. I'll probably do it after Anachronox is done at FAC. GamerPro64 01:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

So between the two options, I think the flatlist one would out better. GamerPro64 02:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• So I noticed that Jaguar is off on Wiki-break, meaning that he won't be working on Jumping Flash! anytime soon. You think I should just close the nomination as fail? GamerPro64 17:02, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, Jag just went on break as of today (based on his comment at the Mischief Makers GA) so I tried to catch them by email (as their user page requests). We'll see what we hear back, I suppose. I'd give it a week since last post if no reply czar ♔ 22:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Just one question. What's going to happen to the to do list entirely? GamerPro64 23:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

It's up for discussion at WTVG, but I'd recommend forwarding it to the announcements template. czar ♔ 23:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Well I'll just wait for the discussion to end before moving my focus on the template. It's not obsolete just yet. GamerPro64 23:51, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, Jag replied that he'd come back to the review but he's waiting for more input from the reviewer (you). Maybe there was a miscommunication? I'd ping him and let him know what he needs to do. czar ♔ 23:53, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I need a second opinion on this link that was added to Jumping Flash! IGN. While it's an IGN link, I'm not entirely sure if it can be used or not. GamerPro64 12:23, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Those are user-submitted wiki pages, so I've seen no indication of reliability. Added a comment at the GAN czar ♔ 15:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

So I just saw that the template got vandalized by an IP. Should we get it protected like how the to do list was? GamerPro64 18:25, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, I wouldn't say it's necessary, but feel free to ask one of the project admins if you do. And let me know if you have any suggestions for improving it in the future czar ♔ 02:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Alice Davis Menken

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:19, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mischief Makers

The article Mischief Makers you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Mischief Makers for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jaguar -- Jaguar (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Saints Row: The Third

The article Saints Row: The Third you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Saints Row: The Third for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of CR4ZE -- CR4ZE (talk) 06:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Sonic characters

Just want to say that I respect the work you're doing to improve standards for fictional characters, and that my opposition wasn't merely "assumed notability." The reason for my opposition was that I wasn't comfortable seeing the articles redirected until I was personally satisfied with the sources found. I mean, it can't be denied that Sonic characters that we assume are notable have some pretty shoddy sourcing; Tails for example has probably a dozen bad sources used like Mashable and WhatCulture, while a lot of good sources merely feature him in their listicles and don't provide any real, in-depth commentary on his value as the kind of character on which the listicle focuses. As I've done with Silver the Hedgehog, I will wholeheartedly support merging if I come to the conclusion myself. I simply think that we need time to elevate the articles with good sources and good discussion in those sources. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 09:34, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@New Age Retro Hippie, thanks for the note. Wanting more time is a fine position to have, but I personally would not oppose or support unless I had the evidence that my search had come up with a conclusion. My concern was more the vast number of unsubstantiated opposes that did and will not make any attempt to review the current or available sources. I'll also add that merging an article now doesn't preclude a search for more sources afterwards. czar ♔ 15:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for List of accolades received by Titanfall

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:34, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Spy Fox

Thank you for providing the custom search for video game sources. I will be sure to use that next time I need to check for video game sources. Is there any way I can stop the AfD discussion or shall I just let it run its course? --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 20:22, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Skamecrazy123, good—happy to help. As long as there are no other deletion arguments other than the nom (which there aren't), you can withdraw the nomination by posting a bold "withdraw" comment beneath your nom. Hope to see you around WPVG in the future czar ♔ 20:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

All done. Thanks again for the assistance :) --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 20:31, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Art+Feminism panel tmrw

Hi Czar. We are planning on having a lightning talk section on our Art+Feminism panel tmrw (10:30AM) and wanted to re-state our invitation to you to talk for a few minutes (<5) about what happened at Madison, and what your takeaways were from the experience. Please confirm! (You can can also write us via email: artandfeminismwiki@gmail.com. --Theredproject (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Theredproject, I'd love to, but while I could have done today, I'll be away for the rest of the conference (including tomorrow). Thanks for the invitation, though. czar ♔ 20:41, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Bummer. I can only attend the conference tmrw... Would have liked to meet you. --Theredproject (talk) 00:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon in Madison

Czar, sorry I didn't see your invitation to the Edit-a-thon until it was over. Maybe next time, though I'm not too much of a humanities dude. P.S. my nickname in college was "Czar". Riordanmr (talk) 04:06, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

@Riordanmr, me too czar ♔ 02:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Automonopoli

Thanks so much for your comments and help on this one. Regarding your comment about expanding the lead, I was deliberately keeping the lead as short as possible. The body text is so short, there's not really the need IMO for the lead to act as a Cliff's Notes for the article. In this particular case, I see the purpose of the lead as just to say "this is about a 1983 computer version of Monopoly" to let someone flipping through pages decide if this is something they'd want to read. (It got a surprising 8000+ hits at DYK, so appears to be a more interesting topic than I expected.) Mogism (talk) 17:29, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

@Mogism, my pleasure. About the lede: readers expect the lede to be a full summary of the article (even short ones), so it helps to have it be complete even if somewhat redundant. Sometimes only the lede is pulled instead of the full article, so it's nice to have it standalone and complete. czar ♔ 13:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations (again)

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Deathrow (video game) to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon (either on a particular date or on any available date), please nominate it at the requests page. If you'd like to see an FA appear on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with about 1,307 articles waiting their turn at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. Bencherlite^Talk 18:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mischief Makers

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I and Thou

Hi Czar, I believe it is not possible to merge "I and Thou (band)" with "Jason Hart" because each article refers to a different Jason Hart. More at the talk page.CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 19:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, your proposal to merge I and Thou (band) into Jason Hart (musician) cannot go ahead, because the Jason Hart (American) in "I and Thou" is not the same as the Englishman called Jason (Jay) Hart in Jason Hart (musician). It should be noted, as well, that Jason Hart (American) is a member of Renaissance. But Renaissance isn't English these days; they feature 5 Americans & one English-born member who lives in the U.S. For more information, see this talk page. Sorry to bring bad news. Kind regardsCaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 08:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Czar, I have found a new reliable source, and I will add citation(s) and text within 48 hours. Kind regards.CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 23:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Spy Fox in "Dry Cereal" improvements

I am trying to clean up the above article but I am running into some possible problems as far as "material discouraged by the guidelines for video game subjects" goes (mainly that, as far as I can tell, I cannot find any such material. I would be bold about removing the tag, but I haven't edited article space in a while and I am a little rusty. Your help would be much appreciated. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 14:08, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

@Skamecrazy123, that maintenance tag refers to how the article is a large list of minutiae about the game (which goes against WP:VGSCOPE). I'd strike those whole sections, but those gameplay elements can likely be usefully summarized (removing the specifics about the fictional characters in the minigames) into prose. I won't touch it now because I don't have the time, but I could come back to it in the future czar ♔ 13:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

No worries about coming back to it. I am willing to give sorting it out the old college try. I was just wondering what the tag meant :) --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 12:44, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

My GA nomination

A belated thank you for reviewing my failed GA nomination. Unfortunately I got swamped in real life - two out of town business trips for starters - and was unable to promptly address the issues raised in your comments, but I hope to do so this summer. Thanks again. Gamaliel (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

@Gamaliel, thanks for letting me know. See you next time around! czar ♔ 22:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Edge Games

That whole top para needs to go, as the Kotaku article is sourced from Moby as well.

But, Since the 1989 release of Snoopy and Peanuts, Edge Games have released nine games in the last 25 years with the Edge Games site as a reference will convey the speed of their release schedule. - X201 (talk) 15:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

@X201, Kotaku linked Moby but that doesn't necessarily mean that's how it was solely sourced. Even though Gawker sites are hardly the pinnacle of editorial quality, we call the site reliable, and they have the editorial ability to check their claims. This said, the rest of that paragraph is certainly crap. I'd use the line you quoted above and add Kotaku's reporting next to it. (I think that is more balanced than just using Edge's own stats—unless a source shows that it's flat out wrong.) I am positive there are other sources that will phrase it better than Kotaku, if you have the heart to search. I just wasted a good 20 minutes and I found some sources to use if I come back to this in the future. czar ♔ 15:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I'll give it a go, will probably give the Kotaku one a second chance if I can't find anything of better quality. - X201 (talk) 15:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Titanfall

The article Titanfall you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Titanfall for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of David Fuchs -- David Fuchs (talk) 20:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

File:Threes! logo.jpg fair use?

Hi, I'm curious as to why you marked the Threes! article's image File:Threes! logo.jpg as not being fair-use. I believe it enhances the article by allowing people to not only see what the logo of the game is, but it gives off an impression of how the game looks. What do you think? -Newyorkadam (talk) 17:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

@Newyorkadam, it's not that it isn't fair use, but it's replaceable fair use since the author was willing to release a high res version under free use: File:Threes! app icon.png czar ♔ 17:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Thank you very much for the great work you've put into the article! -Newyorkadam (talk) 17:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Newyorkadam

DYK for Saints Row 2 (mobile)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Signature

Hello czar! I wanted to let you know that your signature is in violation of policy because it uses the deprecated "font" tag. I have made you a visually identical signature using the acceptable "span" tag:

<span style='font:1.1em"Avenir";padding:1px 3px;border:1px solid #909;color:#909'>czar&nbsp;[[User:Czar|<span style="color:#909">♔</span>]]</span>

Which yields:

czar ♔

--AmaryllisGardener ^talk 17:38, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but that change doesn't work for me. (The underline color is different. Also see File:Czar signature.png.) I've discussed this previously at User_talk:Technical_13/2014/1#Reflist. As for the policy, that clause about deprecated parameters was added in March after the section was previously approved as policy. I started a conversation about it on WP:SIG's talk page. czar ♔ 22:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I see an underline in the pic, but not in Chrome, Firefox, or IE. I don't know what it looks like in Opera and Safari though. In IE I think the new one looks better, with the crown being purple instead of black. Otherwise I don't see any difference on talk pages. I don't know about the screenshot, the differences in the pic do not show up on those three browsers. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 22:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not too concerned how it looks in IE. As for the underline, might that be a user setting on your end? I didn't take that screenshot, so I'm not the only one who has links automatically underlined. czar ♔ 22:48, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Are you talking about the underline shown when you hover over the crown? --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 22:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, except it shows even without the hover in my browser and the screenshot czar ♔ 22:55, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, well then. I guess I'll wait and see if anything gets sorted out at WP:SIG's talk page. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 22:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Scans

Here's the Next Generation scan you asked for. I threw in a review and a snippet preview from EGM, too. The preview isn't particularly informative, and I saw that you had the online version of the EGM review already, but hopefully these aren't completely useless.

• Next Generation review
• EGM preview
• EGM review

The Next Generation review is on page 169 of issue 34 (October 1997). The EGM preview is on page 38 of issue 100 (November 1997), and the review is on page 191 of issue 101 (December 1997). The preview's author is uncredited. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 02:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

@JimmyBlackwing, thanks! Out of how many stars is the NG rating? czar ♔ 02:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Next Gen used a 1-5 star system. Also, I just noticed that the review in the magazine is (as sometimes happens with Next Gen) very different from the one they posted online. More positive, for sure. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 02:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. Also, thanks for the feedback on my guide. I'll keep it in mind. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 23:01, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Action Button Entertainment

The article Action Button Entertainment you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Action Button Entertainment for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tezero -- Tezero (talk) 03:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Anachronox

Hey I'm wondering when you'll be going back to Anachronox's FAC. I believe Zeality and I took care of the issues you addressed so hopefully we will be closer to getting done with the whole review. GamerPro64 17:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

• Pinging in case you missed this. GamerPro64 23:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, thanks for the ping. I'm slammed right now, but I should have a moment this weekend czar ♔ 11:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Elysian Shadows

User:Slakr deleted the page, even though I was in the process of adding a reference. It had 1 approved secondary reference, that skimmed over almost everything stated in the article. I am in the process of getting Sega Nerds approved and that would give me 2 references. Once I am done with those 2 I can find a third one.

Since you are an Admin I am formally requesting you to participate on his talk page, as I feel a consensus had not been reached and the page was deleted prematurely.

Best Regards --Cube b3 (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Cube b3, I'm not an admin, but it doesn't matter for this purpose anyway. The sourcing for Elysian was super thin (as discussed at the AfD) and it isn't a big deal—the article can be recreated in the future when the sources arrive. If we're down to Sega Nerds and other sites without editorial policies, we're at the bottom of the barrel. When the game is published and whatever, I imagine there'll be plenty of sourcing. If you ask Slakr nicely, he might userfy the page for you in your userspace for when those ample sources arrive (but it shouldn't go back into articlespace prematurely). czar ♔ 00:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

I am afraid my wiki skills are limited to just editing and just figuring stuff out by reading codes on other articles or user pages. Every time I try to search for learning information on this site I am slapped with mountains of text.

I have not fully comprehended what you said but I think it means I could move the last build of the page to my sandbox or something. I have politely asked him to reconsider, so if you could ask him to implement what you just suggested here. I would be very grateful.

On a side note, wouldn't it be possible to set up a smaller article with just the 2 secondary references I have. We have thousands of articles here that are 2 or 3 lines long. Prior to my involvement, most Sega developer articles were 2 - 3 lines long.--Cube b3 (talk) 00:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. I apologize for the jargon. There is a mountain of text, but there are summaries at the top and the alternative would be not having policies. Anyway, I'm not as sure about moving the article to your userspace unless you completely understand that it must remain there until it has adequate sourcing. That doesn't mean eking out three sources, but waiting until it's a topic that is actually getting coverage (if indeed it ever does). Not to link you to another text, but we tend to call arguments about what else exists an "other stuff" argument. I could write a long article about my perhaps almost notable house and its length doesn't get it any closer to meeting the general notability guideline. There're plenty of work to be done at the Sega task force, so I do hope you'll stay around long enough for Elysian to have the criteria (and by then you'll have had plenty of experience) czar ♔ 01:06, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, if you can talk to Use:Slakr and have it moved to my SandBox I will continue working on the article and beef it up with relevant sources.

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That said, we need to discuss the strange thing about notability is that commercially released Dreamcast games that no body ever game a damn about have articles. Many with almost no references such as Wetrix (I don't want you to do anything to that article, I am sure the information is accurate) is considered more notable than Elysian Shadows. A game that should be notable simply because it is on Dreamcast and is being released commercially.

Given that I am an indie/retro gamer most of the mainstream websites don't cover the games my demographic plays. Indie/Retro gamers hang out on a different part of the internet and get their news from different websites and I have a list of dozens of websites that metnion Elysian Shadows but those websites aren't on the list. Even super websites like Sega-16 is not on the list.

So in conclusion, I have been on Wikipedia for almost 8 years now and I am more committed then ever before. I understand the value of primary references and secondary references, but the simple fact as Wikipedia does not have a list of approved retro websites. From Sega-16 to Dreamcast-Scene none of the Sega platform specific websites seem to be approved and that is unfortunate because these websites have more integrity than websites like IGNor Gamespot. If the mainstream websites that we Wikipedians deem reliable had integrity the community wouldn't have any need for fan sites.

I apologize for the rant, I will continue to find references from websites that are approved.--Cube b3 (talk) 04:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

So part of it is that Sega-16, regardless of how super a site it is, may not be as super reliable as you think—hence the comments other editors have made about the site. It isn't prudent to just ignore their concerns. It sounds like you're suggesting that a commercial release (nevermind how that's even defined) is your preferred metric for what gets an article—that isn't the Wikipedia standard. By consensus, over time, our method is the general notability guideline. Wetrix isn't in great shape, but it was published in an age of print mags (I remember reading about Wetrix) and it will languish until someone puts in the labor to make those print refs visible. As for Elysian, no amount of digging could pull sources that don't (at least yet) exist. I, myself, have been writing on indie games recently, but each game still has to meet the GNG, so I tend to write about games that have more than enough reliable sources and usually a Metacritic listing. (E.g., you might be interested in Sonic: After the Sequel—notice how it had enough secondary coverage to say what it did without relying on primary sources and original research.) WP wouldn't be much of an encyclopedia if everyone wrote about their homebrew games. As for your last point, Retro Gamer is fine and we've unofficially been using Sega-16 for a while—it's not that retrogaming sites aren't supported, but that we don't allow blogs or sites with more lax editorial control to have parity with Retro Gamer, EGM, and The New York Times. czar ♔ 04:50, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

My criteria would actually be the popularity and commercial things tend to be fairly popular. In the context of Elysian Shadows, their YouTube videos have gotten upto 240,000 hits, they have almost 10,000 subscribers. So that is pretty notable in my book. The thing with the indie Dreamcast-Scene is that none of the games. From Feet of Fury (2003) to Redux: Dark Matters (2014) none of them have a metacritic page.

The best source for new Dreamcast games is www.dreamcast-scene.com

DCS hasn't covered ES yet. But if you go into indie games, you will find it in the database.

So anyway on topic, I took your advice I very politely asked Slakr to move the page to my sandbox, he hasn't been online in days or is ignoring me.

And our discussion about Sega Nerds being elevated to a reliable reference, seems to have gone stale.--Cube b3 (talk) 05:58, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I haven't been clear. There is an established precedent of consensus for what subjects have articles on Wikipedia and it's codified in the notability guidelines. Even if all of the sources you've been referencing were to be deemed reliable (which they won't because they have no visible editorial standards), it would still be very weak footing by the notability guidelines. I would recommend taking a step back from this solitary subject and see this subject as a Wikipedian in the context of an encyclopedia. It doesn't have enough reliable, secondary coverage to write an article without relying entirely on primary sources. That type of article would require too much original research to tease out a full summary. My point about Metacritic is that games without Metacritic listings and without coverage from mainstream mags with reliable editorial standards are going to rely on original research more often and be against Wikipedia policy. There are other venues for that type of content, but not Wikipedia. czar ♔ 06:07, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I applaud you for your patience, and I really do appreciate you taking such a didactic approach.

I also realize we are discussing multiple things at the same time. So one last time, just for improving my own editorial standards could you give a few suggestions that Sega Nerds can employ to improve their standards? I took multiple journalism electives in school and I have professionally been writing for some of the largest institutions in my country such as Dawn News. Personally, I thought being non-biased and posting accurate information would be the key thing. Since Sega Nerds news is often taken from the developers themselves (just last week we had devs from Relic Entertainment on our podcast.

As a Wikipedian I go with common sense. Sega Nerds gives Shenmue 4/5 Stars, Gamespot gives it 6/10. The community loves our review for extensively investing ourself in the game and giving it a fair rating. Praising the graphics and criticizing the voice acting. Gamespot on the other hand rights a bizarre review, and the community picks up on it and they have to essentially post an apology stating they did not invest significant time in the game. The thing about independent community is that it is honest, if we don't want to do something, we don't do it. Where as these notable institutions like Gamespot, Ign, Kotaku are in it for the pay cheque. Further more, they work under tight dead lines which forces them to often bullshit. How does that not bring their editorial standards down? Further more, if their isn't a massive outcry from the community things will never be corrected. Comix Zone a critically acclaimed game and one of my all time favorites got a 6/10 from Gamespot, IGN and other sources when it was re-released on Virtua Console. Given that most critics were describing the game as linear, I immediately knew they were bullshitting because had they played the game they would have known the game is anything but linear. OXM is the most notorious source, and it should certainly not be an approved reference. I have added well sourced criticism off that company on to their page as well as the games but somehow it always seems to be deleted just look at this https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Headhunter_Redemption&oldid=151970808#Controversy . As a journalist, my goal is to affiliate with the right websites so that I can add accurate and verified information on Wikipedia.

I fear I have gone on a massive tangent, so I will circle back. Sega Nerds has never posted anything false or unethical. We have integrity, I know I have only been writing their for a few months but I have been on their message board for almost a decade. So in conclusion, please give me concise suggestions (without linking to super long articles) to improve our editorial standards and I will abide by them.

I look forward to your reply--Cube b3 (talk) 08:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Sega News, it's about the external reputation of the source for quality, so those mentions that you listed were good, and that would be in conjunction with other sources actually relying on their reporting ("Sega Nerds reported..." "... according to Sega News") to show that other sources trust their findings, as well as having writers with experience in the field (not fan writers, not anyone-can-write), and a clear editorial policy about how articles are read and reread before they are posted and how their journalist integrity functions. Then we look at all of those things together and make a verdict. The reason why the conversation on the sources talk page has been stagnant is likely because it requires too much work to prove or disprove their reliability (editors tend to chime in more with textbook open/shut cases). Again this has less to do with pageviews or developer exclusives or prominence within some subgenre of gaming (or especially its community—which means nothing, as forums are not more reliable just because they have many members), though those things can help establish the source as situational—useful only when secondary information is scarce. However, being a situationally reliable source for a niche subject wouldn't make it great proof of notability, which assumes that a subject has enough prominence that it has been recognized by non-niche publications. There are plenty of underground rappers that won't have Wikipedia articles because their level of coverage in reliable sources with established journalist credibility is too low. And perhaps above all, per the COI guidelines, if you have any affiliation with a subject at all, that alone is enough to color your perspective away from the neutrality that is a core tenet of WP. Regardless of your feelings about OXM or IGN's practices, they are the standard sources in this industry. WP is not a battleground for proving how those sources are wrong and others are right, but for showing what reliable things were indeed even said about a topic (fringe opinions kept to a minimum or eliminated altogether). I usually link to this article when I say that our job is to present the sources, not to find the truth. For the future, I would highly recommend recusing yourself from any article where your preexisting biases might interfere with the writing of a neutral article as presented in the reliable sources and the reliable sources alone, especially your agenda may be to singlehandedly right the video game journalism industry's wrongs (e.g., Comix Zone). czar ♔ 15:31, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank You--Cube b3 (talk) 03:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Magazines

Hi, Czar. IIRC, you used to help people with information on video game magazines. I'm working on Guilty Gear (video game), and GameRankings informs that there is a PSM and a EGM review that I haven't access to. Also, there is a reference to "'The Top 10 Weirdest Games of All Time'. Game Informer 180: 28. April 2008" that I was added by someone else. Thus, I come here to ask if you could help me. Could you? Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Gabriel Yuji, yep, generally happy to help, but @JimmyBlackwing has the PSM and EGM collections. I'd try WT:VG for the Game Informer. czar ♔ 00:52, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Re:Mitaphane's collection

I have his physical magazine collection. For the record, it consists mainly of EGM, OPM, Next Generation and Game Informer, along with stray issues of magazines like Nintendo Power and GamePro. In response to User:Gabriel Yuji above, I don't have the OPM issue with Guilty Gear's review, but I probably have the EGM review. I'd have to look. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 01:14, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, thank you to both. :) Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:01, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ziggurat (video game)

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Your GA nomination of Tim Rogers (journalist)

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DYK for Saints Row: The Third

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DYK for Halo: The Master Chief Collection

Materialscientist (talk) 21:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ridiculous Fishing

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Development of Fez

Hey, just checked out your draft of Development of Fez; it's looking really good! I'll be interested in doing the GAN for that one too whenever it's done. --PresN 19:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

@PresN, thanks! Appreciate the support. I have a half-dozen GANs in the queue for next month, so you'll likely see them all at once (mostly indie games too) czar ♔ 20:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Peer review on Tangled

I got here from the volunteer list on the peer review page. Would you like to spend some time on reviewing Tangled, on which I has been working? Thank you in advance!Forbidden User (talk) 17:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Here is the link:Wikipedia:Peer review/Tangled/archive1.Forbidden User (talk) 17:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@Forbidden User, have my hands full at the moment. Might want to try someone who has closer interests. I'd give it a go if I had more time czar ♔ 22:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

FA

Hey man, I'm working on the Super Mario Bros. 3's page and I was wondering what you think of it, considering I'm planning on taking it to FA. Cheers! URDNEXT (talk) 16:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Re:short length

Unfortunately, I can't remember specific examples. Until February of this year, my last major edits were in 2012. And I haven't really been involved in FACs since 2011. I distinctly remember the phrase being a subject of criticism at FAC, because of its oxymoronic structure, but I can't recall when or where. Sorry. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 21:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

If it was something like short-long, I could see the oxymoron, but shortness in length is a perfectly normal phrase (otherwise every length would be long!) czar ♔ 21:26, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Saints Row 2 (mobile)

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Soda Popinski

I was wondering if, once your schedule clears up, you could offer a copyedit for this article. Thanks! - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 23:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@New Age Retro Hippie, in my little time to copyedit, it's more productive to be the finishing touches rather than having to return to repeat the work again. Looks like the article has a bunch of {{cn}} tags right now, but ping me when it's finished and I'll give it a read. czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hundreds (video game)

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Your GA nomination of Fez (video game)

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Wikipedia:BNA email

Hey Czar, I sent you an email a few days ago detailing how to recieve access to the BNA partnership with the Wikipedia library. Please fill out the Google form included in the email, and we will get the access to you as soon as possible, Sadads (talk) 15:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Just pinging to remind you to fill out the Google form: I cannot issue you access without that information, Sadads (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

If You Build It (film)

Please complete your DYK review. I will respond and make finals changes when you have completed the review. I would prefer not to go back and forth, with continual "new discoveries"; please be specific with your comments. Thanks! 842U (talk) 12:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Responded at the nom czar ♔ 12:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

You said you hadn't completed the copyvio either, so I was waiting on that. In the meantime, I revised the specific sentence regarding neutrality that you cited and have reviewed the article for neutrality. I've added further citations that verbatim support that cowpie water purifiers were made on the first day. I can't say that's the most reliable source, but taken with the other source, it's clear (and having seen the movie) the cowpie water purifiers were in fact made on the first day of class, which would qualify as the beginning of their school year. Only saw one paragraph without a citation; I added a reference for the complete cast. Thanks! 842U (talk) 13:54, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Note for posterity: replied at the DYK nom czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hundreds (video game)

Gatoclass (talk) 18:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

EarthBound

Hi. I've been watching your efforts to expand the EarthBound article. Great work! Though there are some things you should watch out for that I want to bring up. There are some areas in this and EarthBound fandom that are close to non-neutral, especially in the latter, with things like "the loyal EarthBound fan community anticipated a sequel" (I had removed that) and "their efforts are largely ignored by Nintendo." You also should not copy text directly into both articles. Because if there are problems in one article then editors will need to update both, like the colloquialism, "Lindblom struck down...". Hope you hear me well, and keep up the hard work. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the edits, but a bit more once I've already finished my draft. Text will be copied between closely related articles, and "struck down" isn't a colloquialism per NOAD, but I can remove "loyal" from that instance, yes (even though I believe that's how the source used it). "Largely ignored" is very well cited in all of the texts, though I can throw more refs on it if you'd like. In fact, "largely" is to soften that they were fully "ignored" (per the RS). czar ♔ 03:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree in staying true to the sources, but we should remain objective. The tone of the sources shouldn't creep in. I wouldn't use "largely ignored" because that still introduces bias. The demand for additional games in the series is acknowledged with the general response "we have no plans for Mother at this time." To declare as fact that "Nintendo's ignoring them" isn't really appropriate. For the "stuck down" thing, I would use terms that are more formal, like "denied." --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I can provide a dozen mainstream sources that say that the group was ignored, so it's nothing I'm unilaterally declaring as fact. I'll try to think of a creative rephrasing that'll work for you. czar ♔ 04:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

✓ decided to go with adding refs instead of rephrasing. For what it's worth, there was only one use of "largely ignored" (in the lede as summary of the fandom article), and I couldn't find any instances of that "loyal" quote czar ♔ 04:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mischief Makers

Sure, I think I can swing that before I romp off. Later today, maybe. Tezero (talk) 12:35, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I too am involved with your FAC. I'll be happy to work with you on this. DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 19:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Shinobi (Series)

Hey sorry I have been MIA, my real job has kept me pretty busy but I told you I would help out with Shinobi (series) and I finally have some time to do it. I am integrating 5 references from Sega-16. You will need to show me how to replicate them again for other sentences as I don't remember how you did it.--Cube b3 (talk) 04:31, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cube b3, nice to see you again. Check out WP:REF#Repeated_citations czar ♔ 04:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

@Czar Thanks, that was fairly tedious but I think I got the job done. I have read the article and did not find anything inaccurate in there. Everything in the article could be verified from the History of Shinobi feature from Sega-16. Further more, I added the reviews for all major games as a reference to their respective section. Lastly, I used Sega-16's Yuzo Koshiro feature to cite a few other things. You can go ahead and remove the tag for citations.

That said, the article needs to be updated and expanded. I could add all the updates from Sega Nerds and Sega Bits as they cover all the recent Shinobi news.

This took me like 2 hours so I am going to call it a night. Good Night!--Cube b3 (talk) 06:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cube b3, cool. I'm busy now but I'll try to take a look later. I'd recommend against using sources that haven't been confirmed as reliable. Definitely add info from Sega print sources, though. I can point you in the right direction for those if you need a place to start czar ♔ 18:18, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

{{ping|Czar|p=} Come on man, this is suppose to be a fun hobby for me. Print sources? That cost money and Sega specific print publication are limited to none these days. The next thing you would probably say is go for main stream websites; to that I would say recall our earlier discussions.

Right now the only thing Shinobi page needs to be updated on is info about the PS2 versions of Shinobi and Shinobi 3DS. I have intimately played all those games, as a matter of fact I have written the article for series creator Noriyoshi Obha, why do I need to go to such inconvenient places to find references when the best ones are right under my nose?

http://www.seganerds.com/?s=Shinobi http://segabits.com/?s=Shinobi--Cube b3 (talk) 23:45, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@Cube b3, print sources can be fun! If you know the tricks for retrogaming research, you can find treasure troves of info otherwise lost to the Internet. Many of the old mags have been digitized. Seganerds, Segabits—they aren't reliable sources as of last check and any work you do to add them will end up reverted by someone else if not me. It's likely not worth having that conversation again, but if you want to bring your case to a wider audience, you can try WT:VG. czar ♔ 23:54, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

{{ping|Czar|p=} I will have to read this tricks article and I probably will cause it is always good to have more information however I would probably like to use that article for another game as I am intimately familiar with Shinobi and I already have references that have all the necessary information. Searching for other sources which have the same information is tedious and not fun therefore I like your suggestion off taking the case to a wider audience because it was a stale mate because nobody besides you participated in the discussion.--Cube b3 (talk) 03:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Marcus Lindblom

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DYK for Never Alone (video game)

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Hypertension: Harmony of Darkness

This is an upcoming Dreamcast game that I have been following for many years and I wanted to build a page for it.

It's got a couple of secondary references from approved websites like Diehard Game Fan & IndieDB. http://www.indiedb.com/games/hypertension-harmony-of-darkness http://diehardgamefan.com/2009/11/05/interview-with-tdgmods-on-hypertension-dc/

These are the only 2 I can find from approved websites. We have a few more but I can't find the list of approved secondary video game references. Wikipedia search wasn't being cooperative.--Cube b3 (talk) 03:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The easy shortcut is WP:VG/RS (WikiProject colon Video Games slash Reliable Sources). In the first paragraph there's an external link for a custom Google search that only searches reliable sites—that's a good place to start. And remember that not every video game meets the notability criteria for inclusion (WP:42) czar ♔ 03:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey, that search is super helpful however it oddly isn't showing the 2 references I have shared with you even though they are from approved websites. Nonetheless, thanks to the search I found another reference.

http://www.screwattack.com/shows/retro-game-review/retro-news-round-june-2014

That would give us 3 references. The game is very notable, if for no other reason then the fact that this is the first FPS game on Dreamcast in over a decade! A decade!!

So what do you think should I go ahead and make it, or wait for 5 references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cube b3 (talk • contribs) 06:06, 10 July 2014‎ (UTC)

It isn't showing those two references because they aren't reliable. A search of the WP:VG/RS page shows that we only use Screwattack for opinions (not facts) and that Mod DB is unreliable. Diehard should be fine, even though I haven't read it. You can start building a draft in your userspace, but I would absolutely not even think about pushing it live until it's of substantial size as built out from facts in actual reliable sources. czar ♔ 06:26, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Fez (video game)

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Re: IGTM GT/FT

I'm interested, though I can't promise that I'll be moving that fast on them- my output's been greatly decreased over the past 6 months. --PresN 18:08, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

PresN—no sweat. Just wanted to see if you were interested in the first place czar ♔ 20:10, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Notability as criteria

Hi Czar! I agree with you on this as several discussions were made about this a few months ago. Thought I'd say that I'm actually worried about this. While I agree that article should meet notability to achieve GA (and a status as an article), a lot of Good Articles themselves would be flagged up as 'non-notable' if the criteria was changed. I myself have nominated a few hamlets/tiny villages through GANs and I admit that they don't seem notable. But still, it would be interesting if this was implemented. Regards ☠ Jaguar ☠ 21:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:'s

The above template is now on Commons, because why not. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Still downloading the Guacamelee! files from the OTRS ticket, so that I can verify that they're all covered. I think that's the last of your pending tickets.

@Sven Manguard, thank you czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mother 3 fan translation

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Problem on WikiProject Video Games talk page

I think someone is being a nuisance there. Someone calling themselves Supreme Elite Commander has been trying to get themselves elected as leader of the project. Quite silly, I know. But they seem to have created other accounts to vote in favor of it. Three legitimate users, including myself, have tried to get rid of the message, and it is turning into an edit war. Can you help, or contact someone who can help? --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:39, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I could file it into bureaucracyland, or perhaps one of the kindly vg admins @Masem, PresN, Sergecross73, and Salvidrim! can save us the effort czar ♔ 13:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@ProtoDrake, looks like they're all blocked now czar ♔ 13:56, 13 July 2014 (U

• Yea sorry, haven't been home at all since Friday. I won't forget your GA but it might have to wait until Wednesday. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 14:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@Salvidrim!, thanks for letting me know, but no rush czar ♔ 14:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Jamie Stewart of xiu xiu entry

hello czar, this is jamie stewart from the band xiu xiu. i wanted to ask you if it would be possible to edit my page which you seem largely responsible for creating. while clearly you have done a lot of work on it, most of the information focuses on a band that i was in more than 15 years ago, that never toured and only self released two small press cds and one 7inch. i was wondering if it would be possible to make the entry as simple as possible, basically stating all the bands i have played in, where i live and some very basic biographical information. though ibopa was fruitful, it s was a brief chapter in my musical life and the emphasis on it seems a little unbalanced based on xiu xiu's (and 7 or 8 other bands) subsequent 12 years and over 50 releases. if i were to send you a potential edit, would you consider approving it? it is very confusing for music writers and leads to my having to do a lot of unwarranted explaining in interview preparations. please contact me by my email is xiuxiuforlife@gmail.com thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiefromxiuxiu (talk • contribs) 21:20, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Note for posterity: replied via email czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Supreme elite commander returns

Lol I'm back and ready to invade more Wikiprojects :)--Supreme Elite Commander returns (talk) 06:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Tim Rogers (journalist)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Action Button Entertainment

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ziggurat (video game)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Videoball

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Elysian Shadows Resurrection

I could not get a hold of Slakr, but with the custom google search and a couple of other references like the University of Alabama one I was able to create a new page for Elysian Shadows.

Please have a look and let me know? Best Regards, --Cube b3 (talk) 19:12, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I think that was a bad idea. First, it was recently deleted for not having sources. The stuff added is either unreliable (DCS), a press release (MCVUK), or a listing (GR). The other sources are okay, including Alabama, but I don't see why you went for recreation so shortly after having a discussion where we brought up the same issues. There's nothing wrong with waiting until the game has enough coverage to actually constitute an article. czar ♔ 19:31, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

@Czar I feel Slakr's deletion was unwarranted, a consensus had not been reached and discussion was in progress. I repeatedly tried to communicate with him and he simply ignored me. At the time of deletion I was actively working to add notable secondary references, this article has been constructed predominantly from secondary resources using Wikipedia's custom search.

• MCVUK news post is based on the press release, that is what press releases are for. We rejected Gamasutra last time because they had essentially copy pasted the press release MCVUK on the other hand has reworded and summarized it.
• Destructoid: I found this through the custom google search and it certainly isn't based on any press release.
• IndieGames: We already agreed this was good, but on it's own it was insufficient. Well I waited and found quite a few more references.
• GamersHell: What is a listing? Do you mean a gamepage? It does look like a listing however it is categorized as news. In either case we discussed problems with copy pasting press releases. If a notable website has made a listing/game page for it, why is that a bad thing?
  • If it is a bad thing then I would just have to delete Game Revolution.--Cube b3 (talk) 20:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Whether or not you agreed with it, the deletion had consensus. Even with the Univ of Alabama source, which I said was okay as a source, there isn't enough sourcing to warrant recreating an article just deleted for inadequate refs. The MCVUK is a republished press release and thus a primary source, and there was at least one (perhaps GamersHell) that was just a listing of the game's info. There's no way it could be construed as news. Anyway, now that there's another AfD, any further discussion should be had at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elysian Shadows (2nd nomination) czar ♔ 18:16, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

ES Resurrection 3.0

@Czar

• ES was covered nationally

http://whnt.com/2014/08/20/two-madison-county-engineers-leave-jobs-to-make-video-game-close-to-funding-their-dream/

• It has also garnered significant international coverage however since I don't speak the language I've not kept tabs on em:

http://igronews.com/news/indie/2315-elysian-shadows.html http://www.nexgam.de/Dreamcast-Linux/Elysian-Shadows-Das-grosse-Interview.html#sheet1

• It has also been successfully funded on Kickstarter--Cube b3 (talk) 19:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Mischief Makers Famitsu Review Translation

This is the literal translation, my comments on the implied meaning of the words are in (parentheses).

(Release Date) June 27th

(Title) Yuke Yuke!! Trouble Makers (Go Go!! Mischief Makers)

(Released on) Nintendo 64 Backup Cartridge

(Publisher) Enix (Price) 8900Yen

(Game Description) An action game in which the actions of grabbing, shaking, and throwing are used to challenge the various stages. You can grab things such as enemies, items, and missiles.

(Reviewer:) Hamamura Tsūshin (Pen name of Hirokazu Hamamura)

What happens when you grab the enemy's item this way? What will come out if you shake this? You will unknowingly be excited by the amount of freedom you have. What make action games fun? I think that this game was made by people that know this. I will admit that the character (design) is weak. But the gameplay makes up for it. It(The game) is of good quality.

(Score: 8/10)

(Reviewer:) Ninja Masuda (Pen name of Atsushi Masuda)

Although it may be hard to pickup(things such as the controls immediately), it is a fresh(gameplay-wise) action game. Grabbing, throwing, shaking. When you try these actions out in different places, you discover new things, and when you do you feel happy. You can even grab and throw an enemy's bullet. Although the feel (of aspects of the game) is comical, it(the game) has great depth(gameplay-wise).

(Score: 8/10)

(Reviewer:) Miki Watanabe

An action(game) where you become excited by your own improvement(as you play through the game). Just(in various situations) grab, throw, and shake. (Seeing) What happens as a result of that is so fun. Searching for strategies against a boss is another(aspect of the game that is fun). The difficulty is adequate and although there's a condition to satisfy, there are continues too. I like that the short length of the stages gives the game a good tempo too.

(Score: 8/10)

(Note:I have never played the game, so I do not know what "condition" to be able to continue she is referencing, could just be limited continues)

(Reviewer:) Takayuki Haneda

It's rare for an action game(like this one) on the (Nintendo)64 to not use the 3D stick. To make up for that, it(the game) utilizes the many buttons to their full extent to allow for various (in-game) actions. From the beginning of the game, there are many times where the path is confusing. In that sense, I feel that the game is somewhat difficult, but you just have to get used to it. Look out for the multi-jointed robots which Treasure's good at(designing).

(Score: 8/10)

Just send me a message on my talk page if you have any questions. Jucchan (talk) 23:21, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

@Jucchan, thank you so much! I really appreciate this. czar ♔ 18:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Thralled

Gatoclass (talk) 06:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of EarthBound fandom

The article EarthBound fandom you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:EarthBound fandom for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Jaguar -- Jaguar (talk) 12:42, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Fenix Rage

Gatoclass (talk) 15:43, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

why is this being ignored

hi czar i am wondering why you are continuing to have my wiki entry essentially be a unbalanced "early" work entry and then essentially a second but incomplete xiu xiu entry. can you please explain to me why you will not submit the entry i requested? what difference does it make to you? the difference it makes to me as i explained is that it is disrespectful to my former band mates and confusing to music writers. please consider that the effort you are making redundant, incomplete and pointless. thank you jamie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.34.231.87 (talk) 00:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Note for posterity: replied via email czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikicup semifinalists interview request

As you may know, I write for the Signpost, basically Wikipedia's newsletter. I'd like to do a feature on the semifinalists, would you be willing to provide, say, 250 to 500 words saying: (1.) Why did you join the Wikicup? (2.) What you you hope to get out of it? and (3.) Which of your contributions to the Wikicup are your favourites?

Not quite sure how I'll order them - I'll probably make the ed17 decide, as, you know, Conflict of Interest: I am a semifinalist. I'd imagine point order or alphabetical or the like.

Can you please reply at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-07-30/Wikicup#Czar? Thanks! Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 00:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Inline cites

It's not worth debating on the GAN page, but my reading of WP:MINREF#Citation density echoes the point I stand by. "Wikipedia requires inline citations based on the content, not on the grammar and composition elements ...". If, say in Infamous Second Son's reviews section, there are a couple of sentences supported by a source, we could treat the citation as supporting the content presented across multiple sentences rather than having to cite after each grammar element (full stop). CR4ZE (t • c) 15:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I think that's a noncanonical read based off of what it says next and since the act of quoting is treated as content. If you feel strongly about it, I suppose you could bring it up on a policy talk page. Myself, I'm on the run right now czar ♔ 16:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

commons:File:Brenda at TEDx 2011.JPG

Hi,

I reverted your “No permission” on this file, based on the results of c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Brenda at TEDx 2011.JPG. Feel free to reopen the deletion request if you have reason to believe this file is not acceptable on Wikimedia Commons.

Cheers, Jean-Fred (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Responded at commons:User_talk:Jean-Frédéric#File:Brenda_at_TEDx_2011.JPG czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Greg Wohlwend

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Love the .gif idea. Hope we can bring more such gifs from now onwards. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:09, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha, I've actually run at least one before (TowerFall) czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

& Threes! too. Coincidently, I saw neither of them while on main page. Liked your idea. It should be used on non-video game hooks too. Biographies can also have it. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Congrats Czar...

One of your DYKs is being talked about on the main talk page. Come take a look. GamerPro64 23:50, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, oy. czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

College Presidents into leaders

As far as I know, there is no consensus anywhere. I took the format that was pre-existing and continued/changed it as school titles existed throughout their respective histories. When schools only had presidents, or only chancellors, pretty straightforward. University of North Carolina had both chancellors and presidents in their history, and the title was listed as leaders, so I followed that format.....If you have other suggestions, let me know and we can discuss.....Pvmoutside (talk) 04:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

@Pvmoutside, I'm afraid I have to contest those recent changes. "UW–Madison leaders" is far more ambiguous than "Presidents and Chancellors of UW–Madison". I'm not as concerned with UNC (other than precedent), but since I edit in this "UW–Madison leaders" area, I'm going to ask that you revert your changes until there is some consensus to move to "leaders" from "Chancellors and Presidents". czar ♔ 17:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I admit the leaders title is ambiguous than Chancellors and Presidents, but the leaders title was used in more than just UNC and the ones I created. There seems to be some sort of consistency rule that at least has the school listed first, and the title listed after. I could change to University of Wisconsin-Madison chancellors and presidents, but that would preclude rectors, principals, or any other title I haven't found yet. We could use presidents and subsume all the other titles in to that. I'll get a couple other people involved with the discussion and we can come up with a consensus......Work with you?.....Pvmoutside (talk) 17:19, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

@Pvmoutside, sure—what would be a suitable talk page for this? Re: rectors and principals, UW–Madison didn't use those, so it wouldn't be a problem. It need not be uniform between all universities since not all universities handle this the same way. czar ♔ 17:23, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

It would be nice to limit the titles to two or three........I thought presidents for 1, chancellors for 2, and leaders (for multiple leader titles at the same school) for 3 since they were already used. If we use more, pandoras box opens, and as the lists grow, they get more unwieldy, and more time consuming to fix later. This gives it some direction at least.....The title that everyone sees can be whatever you'd like. I was also trying to cut down on the title verbage instead of having a long title name.Pvmoutside (talk) 17:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

(@Pvmoutside) With a name such as Madison's, it's bound to have a long title. "Heads" could be an option in lieu of "leaders". If some schools use "Presidents" instead of "Deans" or something else, I don't think it matters much. The point is to use the terms they use. "Presidents and Chancellors" is not sufficiently unwieldy to preempt the change enacted over the last week. Do you have any objection to me rolling the changes back until we have consensus? czar ♔ 17:37, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Nope...go ahead......Hope no one else complains...Someone did contact me to state the title should follow the school, with the title typed in lower case.....Pvmoutside (talk) 18:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

@Pvmoutside, I didn't see contact that on your talk page. Was that somewhere else? czar ♔ 18:12, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

It was, and I can't remember who or where it was left.....The note from the interested party said standard format was School, first letter caps, followed by title in lower case..........Pvmoutside (talk) 18:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Solipskier

The article Solipskier you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Solipskier for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Sorry for the wait! ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 14:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for CheapyD

The DYK project (nominate) 15:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Asher Vollmer

Orlady (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Puzzlejuice

Orlady (talk) 14:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Adam Saltsman

Orlady (talk) 02:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Blek

Orlady (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The Dreft Star Playhouse

I apologize for my delay in replying to your July 14 comments about my article on The Dreft Star Playhouse. I appreciate your additional feedback and clarification. I have edited the article so that it no longer contains any reference to the program's being rare or unique. I have also added a citation at the end of the sentence that contained the previously unattributed direct quotation. I am still earning about what is expected for articles on Wikipedia. Feedback like yours will help me not only with this article but with others that I write in the future. Thank you. Eddie Blick (talk) 19:13, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

@Teblick, good to know my time was spent wisely. Let me know if you ever need feedback in the future czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

This may not fall under the type of feedback you have in mind, but I wonder if you have any suggestions on stirring some interest among Wikipedia writers and editors with regard to old-time radio. In my approximately seven months on Wikipedia, I have found few people interested in that field of research. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio is designated as "semi-active." I put some posts on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Radio in hopes of stirring some interest, but thus far I have seen no responses. Do you have any thoughts in this regard? Eddie Blick (talk) 19:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

My Next Project

I thought I would spend my spare time on a couple of pages before trying Elysian Shadows again...

I was thinking of working on DC Emulation as my next project, the website has been discussed in a plethora of magazines from gaming magazines like EGM and Edge to main stream magazines like FHM and Power Unlimited.

I found an archive that has scans of all those magazines: http://dcemu.seanbajuice.com/featuredin.htm

The problem is that I only have the name of the magazine and the correlating scan, they did not bother putting the date or the page number.

You mentioned there was a software that could help me fast track print magazine references... help me out.--Cube b3 (talk) 05:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@Czar Anything?--Cube b3 (talk) 23:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

@Cube b3, hey, thanks for reaching out. I highly, highly recommend working on articles that already exist and are known to be notable before working on new topics that have the remotest possibility of being deleted. Are you referring to DC emulation as the Dreamcast emulation scene, or a specific website, or what? I didn't see enough to substantiate a WP page about a website by that name. I can go point by point through the seanbajuice, but it's not referring to a single site. If you were to ever use those scans, you would need the basic info, at a minimum: journal name, date, issue number, page number. It's also worth reading the COI guidelines when you have a chance. It advocates for editors to recuse themselves from articles in which they might have a conflict of interest. Since you are at least in part a journalist outside Wikipedia and an advocate of the Dreamcast emulation scene, it may be best for you to work on articles that have little to do directly with that topic. There are still plenty of Sega and related articles to work on outside of that potential conflict of interest. czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I was referring to DC Emulation the website. All the scanned articles refer to it. SeanBaJuice is a very old archive of www.dcemulation.org The actual websiteis the biggest community for Dreamcast development. Like Eidollons Inn was used to give birth to Pier Solar, DC Emulation is used for almost all the commercially released independent Dreamcast games. After all, each and every one of those developers are registered on the forum.

Bleem actually was a well known company that declared the community as their official forum back in the day. Rand Linden still visits every now and then.

I think you should check out my page... I will read this COI page but I was a Wikipedian before I became a journalist I was editing Alexy Pajitnov's page and Tetris, when I was discovered by Pakistan's national news paper. So for me a journalist is a Wikipedian. Back on topic I love the Dreamcast more then Sega it is the console I grew up with and I want to create pages for all the new and exciting things that are happening for it. Yes, I am a professional journalist that means I have integrity, check this out:

http://www.seganerds.com/2014/07/08/review-dux-1-0/ http://www.seganerds.com/2014/08/03/review-dux-1-5/

If you search online for the review of Dux or Dux 1.5 you would see indie reviewers trying really hard to write good reviews for this game only to play super nice with the developer, fortunately at Sega Nerds I have the freedom to write honest reviews. So yeah, I am a fan but that doesn't mean my integrity is compromised. If anything it is reinforced because my commitment is to the readers. This is why I am on Wikipedia!

Lastly if I wasn't doing Dreamcast articles I would be doing articles on Pakistani cinema and politics like Cineaste One, Kara Film Festival or Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf... whoops these articles are written by me. Should we delete them because I had a press pass at these events and interviewed all the film makers and politicians? Hell, I am not only a supporter of the party but am related to many of the elected officials. What are we going to do? Should we delete Imran Khan's page because I have interviewed him. I'm going to think not, because all these pages are unbiased and backed by secondary references. Yes, they probably need to be wikified and all but I wrote to the best of my ability.

I always write on something I am passionate about, but I have integerity and all the articles I write, I strive to make them with secondary references but sometimes the truth can only be found from the source. I might be getting over emotional after all I still have to read the COI page.

Back on topic what was that digital magazine tool you mentioned earlier?--Cube b3 (talk) 07:39, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

@Cube b3, part of the COI guidelines is acknowledging your affiliation on the related talk pages and recusing yourself when it would interfere with your neutrality. That doesn't block you from working on those articles, but it means that you are encouraged to disclose your closeness to the subject. I recommend that those new to the notability guidelines avoid disappointment by working on established articles that won't be challenged for notability. "DC Emulation" as a site does not appear to be notable, so I recommend working on other things (or on the DC Emulation site on a different Sega wiki). Not sure what you mean by digital magazine tool, but I'd start with the VG reference library, which has a search that covers its subpages (of manually entered listings from magazines). It also lists WP editors who have the magazines and are willing to provide scans of the requested articles. WT:VG can also help find digital versions of old magazines, if you know what you're looking for. czar ♔ 15:01, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Early 20th century Wisconsin? I'm down with that

Our taste in video games is vastly different, but I'm always delighted to see fellow cheeseheads toiling in the trenches of Badger history. My specialties include legislators (especially third-party) and obscure, no-longer-extant towns and settlements. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@Orangemike, we should talk about finding primary sources on legislators some time. If you are ever looking for illustrations, I have connections at the UW Archives and Wisconsin Historical Society and can pull some media for your articles. Curious—what's your taste in video games? czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd love for the SWHS (I'm still not reconciled to the name change0 to post high-resolution scans of the various pictures it has of historic Wisconsinites without any bogus attempts to claim copyright on scans of pictures which have been published before. I don't know, for example, whether they have the originals of various pictures used to create the galleries of members and officials in various editions of the Blue Books; or the copies of the Blue Books that were scanned and whose scans are now on the University's website, but which are too low-resolution to enlarge and use in articles. In an ideal universe, I'd love to be a Wikipedian-in-Residence at the Society and do nothing all day but create Wisconsin content and help teach other Wisconsinites (such as at local historical societies) do so.

Oh, and I like turn-based, strategic-level games like Civilization, especially if they can be played solo. I'd love to see computer versions of the long-forgotten SPI games Fall of Rome and even more Empires of the Middle Ages. I despise and am bored out of my mind by twitch games (side-scroll and otherwise), but most especially FPSs. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@Orangemike, the Blue Book photos can be enlarged by the unintuitive rectangles on the left, which is high resolution enough, but I imagine the originals are indeed filed away somewhere and without the print degradation in quality. I can look into it, but let me know if you're looking for specific pictures in high res. And I know the turn-based strategy genre hasn't been quite as prominent as it used to be, but I heard good things about the turn-based tactical XCOM: Enemy Unknown and real-time strategy FTL: Faster Than Light. czar ♔ 15:27, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

For many of the pictures, even when enlarged (I find the rectangles intuitive enough), don't have sufficient resolution for my preferences. I'm not looking for specific folks so much as for entire galleries' worth. I'd probably want to start with the 1911 Blue Book because it has all those Milwaukee Socialists from the revolution of 1910: the tire vulcanizer and the cigarmakers and the molder and the sailor and the bookkeeper and the preacher and the rest of them. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

My bad: the tire vulcanizer wasn't elected until 1918. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:48, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Cuphead

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Redirecting PS/PC games to Xbox One lists

Can you please stop redirecting confirmed Playstation and PC games to List of Xbox One games? I don't understand how that's a placeholder. And if you don't have any content to add I don't see the reason to create the article at all just to make it redirect. You should check out the Purposes of redirects page. WhereAmI (talk) 02:16, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@WhereAmI, I think you've since answered your own question. I'm aware as to how redirects work. It doesn't help to stub a redirect without providing enough sources to let the stub pass the GNG (usually at least three sources from a WP:VG/RS search), since that leads to unhelpful uses of time such as AfDs about redirects and stubs. czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Re:GI July 2007

Here is the page you wanted. Game Informer July 2007, issue 171, page 110, no author listed. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 02:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@JimmyBlackwing, appreciated czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Development of Fez

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:52, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Sleeping Digs

@Czar Hey, Czar, how's it going! I was wondering if you could help me with Sleeping Dogs (video game) since I really need help with it. Ever since I joined Wiki I have been trying to tackle the article alone but I can't seem to do it by myself wit the amount of experience I have. Is there any way you could help me take it to GA? I know you usually only edit Military Indie games related articles, but this one is rated B class so it should be an easy thing for both of us. What do you think? Thanks for everything in advance, URDNEXT (talk) 12:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@URDNEXT, I'd be interested in the article if I were to have nothing else going on, and I was thinking "yes" when I glanced at this notice on my phone, but I'm kind of put off by the form notice and how it was spammed to several people whose talk pages I watch. (I don't edit military-related articles, and neither does GamerPro64, PresN, or CR4ZE.) Also, it's not going to be an easy job since the article needs a complete overhaul. Gameplay is unsourced and there is almost no Reception (the easiest parts to write for modern games). Several sections are written in WP:PROSELINE and need to be rephrased. The Development section is disjointed and unfinished. And so on. If I worked on it, I'd be starting almost from scratch, for little recognition, and at the expense of prior commitments. (Also {{ping}} only works when you sign the page with four tildes in the same edit, though I get notifications for updates on my talk page.) czar ♔ 14:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Alright, then. Sorry. URDNEXT (talk) 14:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you anyone that could help me? czar ♔ URDNEXT (talk) 14:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@Czar And wait a second, Sleeping Dogs is no less famous than Fez. In fact, Fez is only famous because of the documentary and the Phil Fish scandal. URDNEXT (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@URDNEXT, I wasn't comparing fame so I'm not sure what you mean. The Sleeping Dogs article gets more than half a million hits a year, so I'd say it's a higher priority than Fez, yes. As for why Fez may be famous, I think you're not giving enough credit to its critical reception, but that's a different topic. The other people you asked may be able to help you. Otherwise, I'd recommend restructuring the article's sections to be similar to Fez's. czar ♔ 14:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

But please, don't get mad at me. @Czar I just messaged so many people because you never know which one is gonna be able to help, or even respond. URDNEXT (talk) 14:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Not mad at all. I know how it is czar ♔ 15:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

By the way@Czar, what the hell is that picture on the top of your talk page when you post something? A woman in an ad? URDNEXT (talk) 15:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

A parable on playing with fire czar ♔ 16:03, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

That's genius. czar ♔ URDNEXT (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Earthbound move

Hello. I request your participation on the EarthBound series talk page in regards to the article title. Toasty (talk) 09:57, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Development of Fez GAN

Hi Czar, I've finished the review and put it on hold. I couldn't find nearly anything wrong with the prose side of things (which explains why the review is a little on the short side) but there are a few concerns in there that needs addressing. It shouldn't be too difficult though. Just letting you know, thanks! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:33, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Cuphead

Thanks for improving this article. It's now in a much better state. --Jakob (talk) 01:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Saints Row: The Third downloadable content

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Enter the Dominatrix

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:54, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mikengreg

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Solipskier

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gasketball

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Edge

I'm not sure if you're still watching this, but if you'd give it a glance, I've now taken a direct stab at it myself at the draft page. Please see this section on the talk page. I don't promise it's perfect, but I got the primary sources out... -- ferret (talk) 02:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Crawl

Czar, I've changed the templates at the top of Crawl (video game) to recommend Australian English/dates. Its an Australian developed game and I think it helps balance Wikipedia(Northern hemisphere bias etc) if we use the author's date/language in the article.

Regarding ferret's post above, I recommend having a look as he/she has done a great job on it. - X201 (talk) 08:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I would contest that the developer's nationality constitutes strong national ties (especially when it's the article's only connection to Australia), so I have reverted to retain the original date format. In the future, those significant changes should not be marked as minor. czar ♔ 11:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Development of Fez

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Your GA nomination of Gasketball

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Your GA nomination of Development of Deus Ex

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Some baklava for you!

Nice article! Asdklf; (talk) 06:11, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Yo

Do you mind if I ask you where you find the articles you edit? It seems that you're always working on like 20 articles at the same time. URDNEXT (talk) 19:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

@URDNEXT, I keep a running backlog of the things I want to edit, so that in addition to my watchlist gives me a nearly endless list. For video games in specific, I recommend Polygon as a good place to find new topics (though I wouldn't start a new article without a variety of unique sources). Recently I've been working on GAs but I plan to do more vital and in-depth FA-quality articles in the future. czar ♔ 01:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Anytime you tackle a new article, hit me up! I'm craving work with other editors. URDNEXT (talk) 02:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Silent Hills article

Czar, a page was recently created for Silent Hills. I have reverted it to the original redirect for the same reason there is not article for Rise of the Tomb Raider article. Would you mind taking a look to see if I made the right edit. Thanks. Chambr (talk) 04:16, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@Chambr, looks good—the section just needs refs now czar ♔ 01:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image

If you're going to delete articles, you might as well delete the images involved too. -- Matthew - (talk · userpage · contributions) 18:49, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@MatthewHoobin, the images sit for a week before they are deleted and it's customary to send a notification to alert the uploader czar ♔ 01:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

True, but you've managed to crush the articles concering the horrid Phoenix Games group, so I give up. Maybe at some point, some reliable sources will cover the company and its travesties that they call games. I just found it strange that there's very little coverage of such an awful line-up of video games, and I thought if it was brought to this, the sixth most visited site according to Alexa Internet, maybe someone would look into it and shed some light on it. But for now, it'll stay as a single page and wait until more information comes sometime in the future. -- Matthew - (talk · userpage · contributions) 03:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I look forward to the day when the company and its games have enough reliable sourcing (esp. from established video game sources) to meet the general notability guideline for inclusion, but as we've found, for now, they don't. Please let me know if new sources show in the future czar ♔ 03:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Why is it that blogs aren't reliable sources? Is it because it can just be written by anyone and thus the blogger could be lying? Also, would Cracked.com be considered reliable? I found something regarding Phoenix on the site here. -- Matthew - (talk · userpage · contributions) 20:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

@MatthewHoobin, this section has the answer to that question, and the rest of that page is worthwhile reading. It's more about editorial trust than worrying about deliberate lies. WP:RSN is the place to ask about source reliability. A RSN search for "cracked.com" shows multiple threads about why the site isn't considered reliable. czar ♔ 20:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Help

Hey man! How's it going? URDNEXT (talk) 01:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Good and hopefully the same for you. I'm taking a stab at the Sleeping Dogs DLC section—left a note at Talk:Sleeping Dogs (video game) czar ♔ 01:30, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out the article! I tried doing the DLC in the past but as you could see, The results weren't quite as good as I hoped. URDNEXT (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Well...

I started typing my message... but got distracted by trying to understand the message your editnotice is trying to convey.

What are your thoughts about adminship? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

They are many. If you meant for me, I'd really like to close more AfDs and I think I've shown sufficient clue, but I hesitate at the trial by fire, of course czar ♔ 04:43, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, lemme know when you're done hesitating and I will be more than happy to nominate you (if you want me to)! :) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 05:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry I didn't mean to revert your edits on Phil Fish - I think it was a mis-click, I can't remember what happened!! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 14:12, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@Jaguar, no problem at all, especially when you revert it yourself! czar ♔ 23:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Polygon (website)

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FA

Hey Czar, how's it going! I was wondering if you'd mind helping me and Tezero take Sleeping Dogs to FA? The only thing the article really needs is rephrasing/rewriting because of some prose issues. Thanks! URDNEXT (talk) 16:00, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Czar URDNEXT (talk) 23:50, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Replied on URDNEXT's talk czar ♔ 23:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mikengreg

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Telengard

Thanks for your interest at the Telengard article. You are right that some of the sources didn't meet WP:RS standards. I wouldn't mind getting the article to GA status, but I haven't really worked in the video game realm here, so I'm not that familiar with the ins and outs of WP:VG/RS and what else is needed to get a video game article to GA status. If you have the time and inclination, please feel free to dig in! Thanks! Airborne84 (talk) 16:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Airborne84, the article's in pretty great shape. I was thinking about fixing up the odds and ends and prepping it for GA. Would you be interested? We can work things out on the article talk page. Do you have any more print reviews or general coverage of the game? czar ♔ 16:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have more on Telengard. I think I've found most of the coverage that's available online, to include stored versions of early reviews in Computer Gaming World (although there may be other ways of searching for coverage that I don't know about). There are a few very brief mentions in a couple of other Computer Gaming World's, but they didn't appear to add anything substantive. As you are the expert in this area, I'll defer to your judgment. Please advise on the talk page how I can be of assistance. Thanks!! Airborne84 (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Greg Wohlwend

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Your GA nomination of Saints Row: The Third downloadable content

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FTCs and such

I see that you have two GTCs up for review. Its always good to see more topics be made. Anyway, if you can get a chance to, would you mind reviewing the other nominations that are up there as well? It would be helpful to keep the process flowing. GamerPro64 18:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Just letting you know that this isn't necessary. Also, I'm letting this go for this one time but could you make the FTC when everything is in order? I mean, its harmless for the time being but its like making a topic before having its nomination finalized. Or basically putting a bronze star on an article that doesn't meet requirements. GamerPro64 23:44, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, I was just prepping it while I had the time. I didn't submit it for anything or link it anywhere. Didn't think it would bother anyone nor did I think it was anything like your analogy. I'll move it to userspace. By the way, I checked out those other noms. czar ♔ 23:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for looking at the other nominations. And, like I said, I was okay with doing that this time. But mostly a talk page for nominations don't usually happen. That's for the topics themselves. Just trying to keep Featured Topics spic and in order. GamerPro64 23:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

• Czar, about that topic: it's kinda weird (IMHO) to have "Greg" as the topic, but Mikengreg not in the articles; it literally has his name in it... I can understand the other three "Related" links in Template:Greg Wohlwend but I'm pretty sure the inclusion of Mikengreg is going to come up if you submit that topic for review. I assume you've already thought about it though. :) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 23:59, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

@Salvidrim!, yeah, I wasn't sure how to handle it, but I thought the current way was best. I bought it to Wikipedia_talk:Featured_topic_questions#Greg_Wohlwend_topic if you have any ideas czar ♔ 00:07, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Images

What do you think of the new images I added to the Gameplay/Development sections? Hope it's good enough for FA. URDNEXT (talk) 22:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Czar URDNEXT (talk) 00:32, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Responded on talk page czar ♔ 13:38, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 August newsletter

The final of the 2014 WikiCup begins in a few short minutes! Our eight finalists are listed below, along with their placement in Round 4:

1. Godot13 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer, finished top of Pool A and was the round's highest scorer. Godot is a featured picture specialist, claiming large numbers of points due to high-quality scans of historical documents, especially banknotes.
2. Casliber (submissions) is a WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist every year since 2010. In the semi-final, he was Pool B's highest scorer. Cas's points primarily come from articles on the natural sciences.
3. Czar (submissions) was Pool A's runner-up. Czar's points come mostly from content related to independent video games, including both articles and topics.
4. Adam Cuerden (submissions) was Pool B's runner-up. Another featured picture specialist, many of Adam's points come from the restoration of historical media. He has been a WikiCup finalist twice before.
5. Cwmhiraeth (submissions) won the WikiCup in 2012 and 2013, and enters this final as the first wildcard. She focuses on biology-related articles, and has worked on several high-importance articles.
6. 12george1 (submissions) is the second wildcard. George's points come primarily from meteorology-related articles. This year and last year, George was the first person in the competition to score.
7. Sturmvogel 66 (submissions), the third wildcard, was the 2010 champion and a finalist last year. His writes mostly on military history, especially naval history.
8. Bloom6132 (submissions), the fourth and final wildcard, has participated in previous WikiCups, but not reached any finals. Bloom's points are mostly thanks to did you knows, featured lists and good articles related to sport and national symbols.

We say goodbye to this year's semi-finalists. Matty.007 (submissions), ThaddeusB (submissions), WikiRedactor (submissions), Figureskatingfan (submissions), Yellow Evan (submissions), Prism (submissions) and Cloudz679 (submissions) have all performed well to reach this stage of the competition, and we hope they will all be joining us again next year.

There are two upcoming competitions unrelated to the WikiCup which may be of interest to those who receive this newsletter. The Stub Contest will run through September, and revolves around expanding stub articles, especially high-importance or old stubs. In addition, a proposal has been made for a new competition, the GA Cup, which the organisers plan to run next year. This competition is based on the WikiCup and aims to reduce the good article review backlog.

There is now a thread for brainstorming on how next year's WikiCup competition should work. Please come along and share your thoughts- What works? What doesn't work? What needs changing? Signups for next year's competition will be open soon; we will be in touch. If, at this stage of the competition, you are keen to help the with the WikiCup, please do what you can to participate in review processes. Our finalists will find things much easier if the backlogs at good article candidates, featured article candidates, featured picture candidates and the rest are kept at a minimum. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 22:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

On video games and FPCs

So I finally got around to looking at some images you've uploaded that might be FP material. Looking throughout, File:Rymdkapsel screenshot 3.png looks to be one to get some traction. Certainly caught my eye when I saw it on its respected articles page. GamerPro64 22:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, thanks! Any other ideas? I'm submitting a batch soon czar ♔ 02:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The gameplay screenshots from Gasketball might work out too. GamerPro64 14:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)