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Following up to fix the article and submit correctly

Thank you SO much, Jim, for your kind and specific responses to my Teahouse query (on Nov 8, 2014) about submitting a new article for composer Norman Cazden. Although I strongly believe my integrity as a professional editor led me to create an expanded article that does not present COI issues, I shall of course do everything I can to follow Wikipedia's rules. I am reading the pages you cited, and figuring out how to write the COI disclaimer/statement.
If I understand you correctly -- and please advise me if the following is in error -- you are telling me to submit the significantly expanded article as an EDIT to the existing article? Staying in integrity with such things is pivotal for me, which is also why I want to be able to digest the references about COI you cited.
Thank you for your previous help and, I hope, for the wisdom to come! Stasmaam (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Stasmaam. Let me restate things clearly: If you are being paid by the composer's estate, then you most certainly do have a conflict of interest and as I requested five weeks ago, you should declare that on your (now blank) user page, and on the article's talk page. So far, you haven't. We do not write a new article about a topic when an existing article Norman Cazden already exists, unless the existing article is a hoax. Instead, we edit the existing article to improve it, expand it and better reference it. This is a collaborative project, and we don't just toss out the work of other good faith editors who have developed the article to date. In your case, though, you are not permitted to edit the article yourself, because you are a paid editor with a conflict of interest. What you should do instead is to propose changes, incrementally, providing appropriate references to independent, reliable sources for each change or addition you want to make. Those proposed changes should be posted to Talk: Norman Cazden. Volunteer editors (perhaps me) will review those changes and add them to the article if they comply with our policies and guidelines. Please feel free to leave a note here when you need something reviewed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:26, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

The clarification is MUCH appreciated. I have just written a COI disclaimer. I had hoped to include it as part of my signature but it's too long, so I've included it on my User page as you suggest. In no way did I mean for anyone to "toss out" anyone else's work! That crosses the boundaries of professional courtesy and I don't do that. I am still treading water furiously to understand what's required of me. Where/how can I submit the article I wrote for review, please? It's ready for that.Stasmaam (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at the menu bar at the top of the page and click the link called "Sandbox". That is the perfect place for content you are working on, Stasmaam. But stop thinking about a new article to review because we already have an article. Think, instead, of improvements to the existing article. Perhaps you can critique the shortcomings of the existing article. The biggest problem I see is lack of references, so providing good references should be your first priority. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:23, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

THANK YOU for your feedback. I so appreciate that I learn something every time I follow your guidelines! For instance, I had no idea I was supposed to have a user page to do what I've done. I do not mean to be obstructionist, but because I'm new at this and because I was asked to write an entirely new article, I do not know how to backtrack to follow your suggestions; I concentrated so exquisitely on details and references and flow when I compiled and wrote about Norman Cazden, how do I do what you ask? It feels like "cherry-picking," if you know what I mean; there is easily three to four times as mu;ch information, as well as an opus list, I was going to submit for review. BTW, my name is Claudia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stasmaam (talk • contribs) 23:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Claudia. Remove the user page material you drafted from your sandbox and paste the text of your draft article into the sandbox instead. I will be happy to read it and comment on it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I have copied my draft article into my Sandbox for your review, or for review by whomever you designate. Much, much appreciated!Stasmaam (talk) 02:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Claudia. I do not have time right now for a detailed analysis, but I feel obligated to make a few preliminary remarks. Let me begin by saying that Wikipedia is very strict about excessive use of copyrighted material. You must understand that Wikipedia content is freely licensed for reuse and adaptation by anyone, anywhere, for any purpose including commercial purposes, without asking for permission. The only requirement is that the Wikipedia article must be credited. This means that we keep use of copyrighted material to an absolute minimum, for very real legal reasons. My personal rule of thumb is that an attributed two sentence quote is pretty much OK, and maybe three sentences might be OK. But you have incorporated massive blocks of copyrighted material into your draft. See WP:COPYVIO. Please remove this copyrighted material from Wikipedia immediately. You can keep it offline, but not here.

The next major issue I see is that many paragraphs are unreferenced. Every single substantive claim in the article needs a reference. Every paragraph should have at least one reference, assuming all the content of that paragraph comes from that reference. Two or more references are required if the content in that paragraph comes from multiple sources.

I also see signs of original research and synthesis. These are not alllowed on Wikipedia. Our job is to summarize and paraphrase what the sources say. Wikipedia writers are not supposed to express their own judgments, analyses or conclusions of the sources. We simply recapitulate the sources.

Some of your references are bare URLs. Flesh them out.

Your article is entirely lacking in Wikilinks, which are the backbone of navigation on Wikipedia. Please wikify your draft.

I see many other problems that are more minor, such as calling him Dr. Cazden. Our Manual of style (which you should study) says that a person should be referred to by surname only after first mention. There are other such minor problems. But address the major ones first. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:06, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Wow, I thought I'd done far better than your notes indicate. This is a far more complex endeavor than it appears! I'll go back in and do as much as I can. I've read page after page on Wikipedia, seeking guidance; from your review, it's obvious I missed some key requirements. Dang. I had thought that Herbert Haufrecht's article was so rare it would be permissible to quote it extensively. And by "wikify" you mean adding links to other wikis? I put quite a few of those in the article, perhaps the encoding didn't work. I'll definitely recheck.

I'll work on it tomorrow, and have requested as much info as is available from my contact with Cazden's estate as they can provide. Disappointed at this state of affairs, but game to continue to deliver a worthy outcome for all readers. Stasmaam (talk) 00:43, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong. There is much in your draft that is very good and appropriate for another venue, but not quite right for Wikipedia. Rarity of the source does not justify extensive quotation of a copyrighted source. Instead, we paraphrase and summarize the source. To add a wikilink to an article , add double square brackets immediately before and immediately after a word or words which are the exact name of another Wikipedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Your self-portrait: Vandalised

Hello, Cullen. I am here to inform you that your self-portrait has been vandalised. The field has been vandalised with a picture of a penis at the "Summary" template. Thanks and fix it, DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 06:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed. DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 06:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Nahnah4. I greatly appreciate your diligence. Though that childish vandalism doesn't bother me that much, I certainly don't want that image popping up at the Teahouse. The trolls are pitiful, aren't they? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I figured that out when I saw Guillaume Birindwa's question on the Teahouse, and wanted to use your picture as an example for his image which is a self-potrait, until I saw a weird image of hairy stuff (and penis) on the summary template, which disgusted me despite the fact that I am male. These kind of trolls are just so lame (and outdated). I have reverted the edits. As expected, it came from an IP address. Guess being popular in Wikipedia ain't a good thing. Cheers, DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 07:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

New Article Submitted for Review : Need assistance at your convenience

Hi there. The feedback you gave for my article under review, Draft:Ed DeCosta, was very helpful. I am continually improving the content in respect to NPOV standards and proper citation parameters. I was hoping to check if you would have any availability to check on my article and tell me if you think it will pass the wiki standards for approval (I am still checking the contents for holes). I really appreciate your assistance and hoping to hear back from you soon.Pmanz2014 (talk) 00:49, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Pmanz2014.Your article still has lots of problems. I am truly not sure that this person is notable, but there are aspects of the article that will raise red flags for reviewers:

• The local small business award does not belong in the lead. It is not a notable award, as such awards are given out in large numbers everywhere.

• Describing Maxwell as "best selling" is inappropriate since the article is about DeCosta not Maxwell.

• "End user product roadmap" is promotional jargon and all such fluff should be ruthlessly stripped from the draft. Write concisely and neutrally.

• Capitalizing "Sales and Marketing" is inappropriate as is excessive italicization. Put all quotes in quotation marks and reference them. Comply with the Manual of Style.

• The facts about Crespillo do not belong as this is an article about DeCosta not her.

• Do not question the reader as you did in the DVD story. I don't really think that story belongs.

• Phrases like "challenges one's mind" and "provocative insights" and "intriguing insights" are overtly promotional and should be removed without exception.

• There is no need to mention the other authors in the book series, as that is not relevant to DeCosta, and comes off as name-dropping.

• The facts about the early history of the Boston Latin School do not belong as they have nothing to do with DeCosta who was not yet born. Any interested reader can read Boston Latin School.

• Links to external websites should be removed from the body of the article although wikilinks are fine.

I recommend that the draft article be rewritten in the dry, factual style of the WVU faculty profile. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

• @Cullen328: Hi there. Your feedback is always appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to help me out. As I am researching about DeCosta, I'm becoming intrigue with the constitution of notability for a person in his field of study. Though DeCosta did not receive a noble prize in his line of expertise, both his competence and his teachings have been widely cited by multiple publishers, each independent of each other - But I do understand, that being said, does not necessarily deem him notable.

He does hit some of the bullets in the General Notability Guidelines, in my opinion.(and do correct me if I'm wrong). For instance, A significant coverage of (1)his proficiency in executive coaching in which I didn't have to go deep on research because multiple sources goes down to a common denominatot (2) his book is already cited by peers as the same. The book has been the subject of at least 2, as criteria relays, such as the in depth discussion of the book in WBNW (AM) Money Matters, Kirkus Review, and recognition from other notable peers and public mediaAnd Book notability criteria does state to meet at least one to be honored and I believe his book did. I believe, the style of writing has a lot to do with it and I'll work on the feedback you gave on NPOV matters. Apologies no contention meant on this, I am just trying to understand better to meet the standards set accordingly. Thank you so much for your time, I sincerely appreciate itPmanz2014 (talk) 06:49, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Please note, Pmanz2014, that I haven't expressed the opinion that DeCosta is NOT notable, and that all of my bullet points have to do with how the draft article is written, rather than the key issue of notability. As I perceive things, those glaring shortcomings in the current version of the draft article may present an impediment to an objective review of notability, if the reviewer feels that they are wading through knee deep B.S. Please excuse my frankness. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

• @Cullen328: Hello. Honestly, I like your frankness! It just goes to show the stress on the feedback you're giving and the efforts you're putting in to help out. Thanks a bunch! Thumbs up to you Cullen328! If all my digits are thumbs, I'll raise them all up!!! Thanks again! I'll work on the points you advised. =)Pmanz2014 (talk) 08:55, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Camp Stone - (con't)

Thank you for your response. I understand how Wikipedia works, but the problem is that someone posted mis-information about the institution and the leadership wanted it cleaned up. the text edits I made are accurate and the text on the page now appropriately represents accurate information about the institution. Now, with respect to cross references that I wanted to deleted for safety purposes, i understand that such isn't up to me and that there is a separate forum for that on another page. I will do some research into that.

as a separate matter, who was editing our page? Does that individual have knowledge of camp stone? Whoever it was is missing information and perhaps I should speak to that person directly.

Thanks for your help as I get introduced further to the world of editing on Wikipedia.

All the best, Yakov --Yakfleisch (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello again Yakfleisch. No need to start a new thread. Just continue the old one. You can click on the edit history tab on the article and see every single edit to the article since it was created in 2007, by an editor who hasn't been active since later in 2007. There is no need to try chasing down individual editors. Post your concerns in detail on the talk page, along with links to independent reliable sources verifying the information. Let me tell you about one of Wikipedia's cultural norms: When someone says an article contains misinformation, they are expected to identify the inaccuracies precisely, and furnish a citation to a reliable source that has the accurate information. Generalized non-specific complaining is usually ignored or discounted. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

That's helpful. Thank you again for everything. I will do some more reading on how certain things on the page work and try to suggest appropriate edits. So if i suggest edits on the talk page, who is going to make the edits on the wikipedia side? --Yakfleisch (talk) 22:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I will make the edits unless another editor comes along first, Yakfleisch. I will make some additional edits on my own. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

excellent. thank you. looking forward to working together. --108.254.114.1 (talk) 04:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Jim - Thank you for taking the time to be the editor on this page. A few comments about your edits.

1. 1 - our camp motto was altered so that it doesn't match what is on our website. Our motto is : "To cultivate within every child that walks through the gates of Camp Stone an unwavering lifelong commitment to Am Yisrael, Eretz Yisrael, and Torat Yisrael. We encourage our campers to develop their own individual leadership potential, enable them to become self-reliant, and encourage them to become a contributing and functional member of the group or “kvutza.” We aim to provide a safe, nurturing, and family-like environment in which we care for our campers’ physical, emotional, spiritual, and educational needs."

"Am Yisrael, Eretz Yisrael, and Torat Yisrael" is an expression that means "The Nation of Israel, the Land of Israel, and the Torah of Israel" -- which is the motto of Bnei Akiva, the youth group organization we are affiliated with. That is what is written in Hebrew in the info box on the page. That should not be changed on wikipedia. it seems...

1. 2 - the info box is for a "university" or something like that. This is a summer camp. It creates confusion on Facebook.

1. 3 - Speaking of facebook, is there a way for it not to pick up this page and instead to pick up our official camp stone Facebook page, so that there aren't multiple facebook pages.

1. 4 - I have a new image for you to put up on wikipedia if you want it for our page. How do I send that to you?

1. 5 - while we do have a cattle car replica in our camp, it is but one tiny piece of a much larger incredible summer camp featuring all sorts of things. Shouldn't we reference other things in the camp? Why does that have to be on there?

1. 6 - I have a lot of accurate information for you about the history of the organization, etc. Should I send that to you to post in a history section?

1. 7 - I can tell you more about the camp in general. Should I send you that info to post?

1. 8 - We have concerns about our camp being linked to a specific spot in Pennsylvania. There are other camps I know of that are not on that list, so it begs the question as to why we were included.

That's it for now. Thanks. Yakfleisch (talk) 18:03, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Yakfleisch. A couple of points: You are welcome to discuss general things about editing Wikipedia here at any time. However, detailed discussion of article content should take place on the article's talk page going forward. I will copy this material to that talk page and respond in detail later today. I am busy with "real world" work right now. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Jim, I posted some information for you on the camp stone page. Not sure how to make sure you get a message that i posted it, so I'm telling you here on your page. Thanks, Yakov Yakfleisch (talk) 15:45, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Jim - one more thing. Any chance the page can be edited so that it is categorized as a summer camp and not as a university/school. The infobox was for university and somehow it still carries that designation. Thanks! Yakov Yakfleisch (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Hanukkah, Yakov. I removed all traces of "university" or "school" categorization a few days ago. The article now uses the "organization" infobox, and is categorized as a camp and as a religious institution. It may take a few days for Google to notice the changes. As for Facebook, who knows? But eventually, their computers will notice as well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:33, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!! Yakfleisch (talk) 21:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!

	Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!
	Best wishes to you and your fam! Rosiestep (talk) 02:05, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Best holiday wishes to you, too, Rosiestep. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:20, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

Hello Cullen328, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2015. Happy editing, The Herald : here I am 11:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Holiday greetings to you, The Herald. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:36, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Disney University

You identified several sources for improving the Disney University article during the AFD but the article remains completely unsourced. Can you help improve this article?--RadioFan (talk) 15:04, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:America: Imagine the World Without Her

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Hi Jim -- Glenn Here. New to commenting. Can't seem to figure out how to put what where and when. Anyway, I thought I would pass along my thoughts on this to you. perhaps you can help direct me to the appropriate place? Thanks, Glenn Orignal comment I tried to put on the page. == Suggest Keep == Responding to the proposed for deletion. I found it to be a very well done article about a unique type of storm system; the storm type and this particular storm are both quite notable. A similar storms of tremendous magnitude have occurred in the past and will occur in the future, potentially affecting millions of people. I considered the description and detail quite good: This article is definitely worthy of keeping. Thanks, TimeOnTarget TimeOnTarget (talk) 01:42, 19 December 2014

Oops. Sorry about the lack of reference. It appears to have been renamed:

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/December_2014_North_American_storm_complex

I guess it made it in a bit modified? That's cool. I thought it was a good description of a type of storm that can have potentially huge impacts. Best, Glenn TimeOnTarget (talk) 20:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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Warmest holiday greetings to you, Hafspajen. It is wonderful to hear from you because I heard some rumors that you might be considering a retirement, and that saddened me greatly. So your kind sharing gives me a precious opportunity to encourage you to stay, to ignore the "negative influences" to the best of your ability, and to continue to contribute work about art and beauty to this wonderful resource for free learning. I enjoy seeing your plaintive requests on a certain user's talk page, but even more so, I appreciate your contributions to the encyclopedia. Please stick around in 2015. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:39, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Was rather angry. Since then I was listening to 7+6=13 tune all day and made feel a bit better, sigh... Being angry made me write a lot angry truth-telling on my talk, since I did made up my mind to leave - but it's too late now. Hafspajen (talk) 05:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

It is never too late, Hafspajen. My words stand. Please stick around. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:02, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

• OK. Hafspajen (talk) 06:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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Thank you very much, and Happy Hanukkah to you, Nahnah4. The menorah candles for the final night are burning right now at my house. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:37, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you

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		For the person who goes the extra mile, offers guidance, support and when necessary isn't afraid to say it how it is when that is what is needed. If I see your signature at the end of a Teahouse answer I know it will be the best answer there. Nthep (talk) 09:30, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Nthep. You also do an excellent job at the Teahouse. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:31, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you Jakob, and Happy Holidays to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:14, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Grandad?

Maurice Cullen - Winter Evening, Quebec....

Hafspajen (talk) 16:10, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the picture, Hafspajen, but he's not a relative. "Cullen" is a middle name in my family for at least four generations. One set of immigrant great-grandparents did live in Canada for a few years before coming to the U.S. around 1880, but that's a different branch than those who liked Cullen. I have several relatives who have been painters, too, but not this guy. I enjoyed reading about the fellow, though. Happy New Year! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Lizard Squad

I don't think this was a very productive revert. I was attempting to improve some of the awkward wording that was introduced into the article such as: "On December 8, 2014, the PlayStation Network was again attacked, and once again Lizard Squad claimed responsibility." Your full revert of my edit reinstated the awkward wording. I have a made another edit which improves the wording of the article while attempting to have more WP:ALLEGED wording, which I believe it what you were trying to say in your edit summary. In the future though, I would be more careful when making reverts. An edit which expounded upon my improved wording would have been much more helpful than a blind revert. Thanks! Artichoker^[talk] 00:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Artichoker. With all due respect, my revert was not "blind" but carefully considered. Though I agree that the wording was awkward, your edit removed doubt and ambiguity, and the text ended up stating definitively that Lizard Squad was responsible. In my judgment, the factual issues are more immediately important than the stylistic issues. I did not have time for more extensive editing. Today is my wife's birthday, and my sons are visiting us. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. Though I'd just like to point out, if you did not have enough time to edit as you have stated, sometimes it is better to wait until you do have that time. Wikipedia is a work in progress, after all. There shouldn't be a rush to do a quick revert, when what is required is a more nuanced edit. Thanks! Artichoker^[talk] 00:47, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

As for your edit summary remark "Please do not blindly revert and instead attempt to improve the article", Artichoker, why don't you take a careful look at the article's history? You will see that I made 24 edits yesterday, all of which improved the referencing. Then take a look at my contribution to the AfD debate about this article, and my post at WP:AN which motivated an administrator to "snow" close that debate. Please assume good faith of other editors. Thank you for your good faith efforts to improve the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I was simply talking about the action in question. I will admit that my edit summary was brief; but it is harder to express intonation via edit summary. That is why I wanted to leave you a more personalized message on your talk page to explain my reasoning. I maintain that I have always assumed good faith on your part, and apologize if my edit summary seems to indicate otherwise. Again, it was more meant to be a brief message and I made sure to come to your talk page to expound upon my reasoning with the hope that you could take this as a learning opportunity. Artichoker^[talk] 00:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Your use of the word "blind" in this context expressed a negative intonation as I perceive things. Perhaps I am sensitive about use of words related to disabilities in this way, because my wife ChesPal is deaf, and I sometimes hear the word "deaf" used similarly. I am an editor who is very serious about this project in general and this topic in particular. I do not edit blindly or without careful consideration, whether I have five minutes to spare or two hours. I have spent a lot of time reading about Lizard Squad in recent days, and have every intention of helping to improve the article substantively. All that being said, why don't we both take this as a learning opportunity, Artichoker, and collaborate to improve the article? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

That is correct; it was meant to express a negative intonation (though not in anyway referring to disabilities). Not because I am assuming any bad faith on your part, but because I believed there was a better route to take in that situation than the one you chose. Regardless of this, I have never had doubts about your sincerity to this project and know that you have done great work in contributing to Wikipedia. I think your proposal sounds excellent, and that we can continue to improve Lizard Squad collaboratively. Artichoker^[talk] 01:22, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Bestowage

The coveted dingus.

For this edit you are awarded the Wikipedia Beaux-Eaux Cup with Imaginary Peruvian Oak Leaves. Wear it with pride and/or confusion. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:02, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks be to you, Comrade Boris, for this glorious award. Since it is suitable for framing, I will hang it on the wall of my summer dacha in Potemkin Village. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:48, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Use of Material Pertaining to Nathan Coppedge

Greetings, Cullen328.

In your statements about the person Nathan Coppedge you seem to adopt a somewhat prejudicial point of view. Simply because Nathan Coppedge relates to the subject of Perpetual Motion Machines does not mean that Nathan is insignificant in this area. Indeed, although perpetual motion is an area looked upon with scorn from the outside world, most notably Science, it is often recognized that those within the field are notable for their ability to attract attention for the curiosity, rather than the scientific notability of their inventions. In fact, the idea that a perpetual motion 'inventor' could be scientifically notable is currently considered a serious misnomer. Therefore, for this reason, I consider your comments on the subject to be inappropriate. And consequently, it may be worth recovering the idea that Nathan Coppedge belongs on Wikipedia.

Additional evidence can be cited, such as that few people known for perpetual motion have also been known for other things. The difference between the significance of Nathan Coppedge and Fern Coppedge, an artist, for example, appears to be the cost offered by the paintings, or a dubious social importance. The difference between Nathan Coppedge and Joseph Newman, a perpetual motion 'inventor', appears to be that Newman is more socially vocal and has appeared in Washington, D.C. Whether these other people have more historical importance is thus cast into doubt.

On the other hand, if Wikipedia is a popularity contest, as numerous Wikipedia editors have denied, than my inclusion is probably out of the question (at least for now). However, on the subject of significant content, I would argue that my inclusion is not vanity at all, but educational interest. The major shortcoming is that few if any publications currently hold my biography. Wikipedia ought to have a moral obligation, but according to the editors, it does not. From my point of view, it is sheer blindness.

Although, if you want me to adopt a moral against my case, I would suggest someone write about Rainbow Recycling, one of the first community recycling programs in the United States. Many interesting cultural factors like this get overlooked in favor of businesses that merely 'appear' to have credentials. Meaning is too often expressed in dollar terms, and this is not something that should go overlooked. The ability to differentiate the word 'appear' is something I notice some of the editors don't share with me, apparently at least. It could be that I am generalizing because I see a fault that happens between multiple factors, like a herd mentality. Ideas are ignored, like the idea that herd mentalities are dangerous. Everything's standing on individual words like 'evolution' and 'word-problem'. Some significant historical events are consequently ignored. 32.216.198.80 (talk) 08:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC) 32.216.198.80 (talk) 08:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Nathan, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what reliable, independent sources say about various topics. If such reliable sources do not devote significant coverage to your work, then Wikipedia will say nothing about you. This is not negotiable. It is a fundamental, core part of this project.

The normal way that a scientific researcher gains notability is by publishing articles in peer-reviewed scientific journals and then having those articles cited by other researchers and mentioned favorably in comprehensive review articles.

Advocates of "fringe" ideas can sometimes gain notability by Wikipedia standards through publishing popular books, appearing in successful films and TV shows, lecturing widely, and being written about in reliable newspapers and magazines.

Neither seems to be the case here. Sorry. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:25, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Newman's energy machine is notable because it received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, as shown by the references at the end of the article. Fern Coppedge looks a bit weak, but I would have to do further research. We delete weak articles, by the hundreds, every single day. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:31, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I will assume that's your full critical assessment. However, there is some question whether sources such as the The National Inquirer or even People Magazine are as notable as sources that have mentioned me, such as KgbAnswers.co.uk Knowledge Generation Bureau [1] (which appears to be peer-reviewed), and Project Syndicate [2], which attracts comments from syndicated columnists. I have also been cited elsewhere, such as in Hartford Courant [3], The Economist [4], and Book Forum [5]. The entire debate I've been having has related to the questionability of these sources. And I feel I'm receiving unfair treatment. Entire articles have been written about things like the National Inquirer, perhaps because of social importance, or perhaps not. NCoppedge (talk) 08:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I feel like someone comes along and says that one must 'avoid the I think' and that's where my content gets avoided. Maybe if Fern Coppedge is confirmed to be included, Wikipedia will consider including other Coppedges, such as Nathan Coppedge. It's not necessarily a bad thing, considering that althought Fern Coppedge (not a relative of mine) contributed significant work, she did not 'found' a movement or a style by herself, apparently, as I sometimes claim to have done. NCoppedge (talk) 09:15, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Like many new editors, NCoppedge, you make the common error of confusing whether a publication is notable (deserving of a Wikipedia article about it), with whether it is reliable (trusted as a source in a Wikipedia article). Consider the Nazi hate rag Der Stürmer. Highly notable yet completely unreliable for anything other than the vile opinions of its writers.

Directory listings and passing mentions are worthless for establishing notability. As yet, I see no significant coverage of you in reliable, independent sources. Until such coverage is brought to the conversation, there is nothing further to say. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. NCoppedge (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Robert P. McCulloch (prosecutor)#Requested move 20 December 2014

You were involved in this article. I invite you to a page move discussion. --George Ho (talk) 23:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, George Ho. In all honesty, I do not care about the article title. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Dorothy Kilgallen (again)

I am at my whits end here. Seriously, I am not sure what to do with Ms. Fauble. Her behavior raises more issues than I can count. She either refuses to recognize, or is openly defiant of consensus. Her logic about what belongs in an article raises major WP:CIR questions. She has single handed turned the talk page into a WP:BATTLEGROUND. And we can add to that POV and soft edit warring. I am seriously considering reverting her most recent edit as vandalism and posting a disruptive editing warning on her talk page. But I don't like to do things when I am angry as it can cloud judgment. In any case I have better things to do with my time than fighting a constant rear guard battle with someone persistently trying to insert questionable material back into an article that we expended considerable work on fixing. Any thoughts? -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:12, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Ad Orientem, despite the fact that you and I agree that her role in the article is unproductive, it is not vandalism, so I recommend against using that word in this context. Instead, revert whatever you wish with the explanation that it is "against consensus reached on the talk page". I am sure that we will have another battle when this new book is published. Be prepared to argue that a book that has not received reviews in reliable sources describing it as a useful addition to the literature of the era is also not acceptable as a reliable source here. If things get out of control, we can go to ANI and ask for a topic ban on anything connected to the Kennedy assassination, broadly construed.

Console yourself with the fact that you are doing good work in defense of the encyclopedia, and Happy New Year to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:21, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I apologize

    I extend the olive branch.
    ~~~~

I apologize. I know you're just doing your job here and I've been difficult. It won't happen again.

Bohemian Gal (talk) 06:53, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the gracious message, and there is no need for an apology. I know that Wikipedia can be frustrating to newcomers, as I spend about half my time here assisting new editors. My offer to help write an article stands if you can furnish even two reliable independent sources that give significant coverage to the Oregon church. I wish you well, Bohemian Gal. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Cullen328, can I take you up on your offer? If you'd be willing to improve this sandbox draft on the Oregon church, in Bohemian Gal's userspace, i'd appreciate it, and I hope Bohemian Gal would also. I located numerous independent sources but the article could definitely be improved. --doncram 05:15, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks I see you are editing there, with good improvements. I put in an edit conflict edit that backtracked to my last version i think plus some changes of mine. Could you fix the situation, either adding my changes to your last version or not? I thought i might restore your changes but in fact I have to run, am done for now. If i see this tomorrow i could go back and try to restore your good changes. But perhaps best for you to revert my last edit. Done for the night. Thanks! --doncram 05:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

NY editor

thanks for the reinforcement; if enough people tell her, it may help, and I don't want her to get the mistaken impression that I'm personally after her. DGG ( talk ) 08:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I've got your back, DGG. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:32, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear Cullen328,
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! A new year has come! How times flies! 2015 will be a new year, and it is also a chance for you to start afresh! Thank you for your contributions!
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Thanks and Happy New Year to you, Nahnah4. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:15, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Cullen328!

Happy New Year!

Cullen328,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Hafspajen (talk) 10:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2015}} to user talk pages.

Thank you, and Happy New Year to you, Hafspajen. I like the fireworks animation.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:31, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Cullen328!

Happy New Year!

Cullen328,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 16:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you very much, Jayaguru-Shishya, and Happy New Year to you, too. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:32, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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I chimed in there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Cullen328!

	Happy New Year!
	Hello Cullen328: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Bananasoldier (talk) 00:42, 1 January 2015 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2014}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Thank you for the dozens of times you've helped me out or answered my questions at the Teahouse! I really appreciate it. Whenever I think "Wikipedia editor", your username comes to mind. Please know that you are a role model to all Wikipedians.

You are very, very kind Bananasoldier. I enjoy assisting other editors, and it makes me feel good to know that you think that my answers have been helpful. Let's work together to improve the encyclopedia in 2015! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Going to jump in here and also wish a happy 2015! Here's to another good year of Teahouse answering, among other things. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:13, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to you, too, SuperHamster. Let's write some informative, well-referenced articles about notable topics in 2015. The encyclopedia is not finished! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

F9F-2 Panther Korean War Carrier Landing

Hi Jim, I was considering doing an article on a hairy landing on the "Philippine Sea" in Sept 1950. Here's a link to the article I would be using. http://www.historynet.com/miracle-landing-off-korea.htm I have 2 good sources and 2 photos I can use. Would such an article be notable? Do you think it might be nominated for deletion? Samf4u 19:40, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Samf4u. It is a fascinating story, but I am not sure that the incident deserves its own article. Countless such incidents occur in wars. Most editors believe that an accident involving commercial aviation deserves an article only if people are killed or the plane is destroyed. In military aviation, the standards are much higher, and in my opinion, the vast majority of military crashes are not individually notable. In this case, both the pilot and the plane survived with injuries and damages. That makes for a great human interest story, but not necessarily an encyclopedia article. Maybe a couple of paragraphs might be added to USS Philippine Sea (CV-47). Please be aware that this is just my opinion. Other editors may disagree. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:07, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I believe you are correct. Will take your advise and add to CV-47 article. Thank you. Samf4u 20:32, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear Cullen328,
HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions!
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Thank you, Bzuk. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:56, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Dispute resolution help

I hate a user, so does he. However, he hates me more, visibly. We met almost over a year ago at Sorry I'm Late (Cher Lloyd album) and me, being a beginner, did not know about Wiki policies and made unconstructive edits to the article. The article at that time was a redirect to Cher Lloyd as the article isn't notable enough. I keep on trying to bring the article back, and he reverted it, as it fails WP:ALBUMS. Soon, I keep doing it, and he keep reverting it. I was close to being blocked. Then, a dispute started, with talk pages opening about it and other stuff, but everyone was on the user's side. Since then, our relationship deteriorated, and I do not know why. I apologised to the user for like five times (I think) and he just remove the message with no edit summary. First mistake: Removing talk page messages is prohibited unless vandalism or archiving, per WP:ACM. Then, I sent him WikiLoves, a total of four. Anti-vandalism Barnstar, Meghan's Sunshine, My own Christmas cheer and my own New Year cheer. I just send it to anyone in mind. He removed the New Year cheer, stating it as a "non-new section". I am incredibly angry here. Such a hypocrite. I clicked on "New section" for every message I send since February 2013, and yet he is just giving excuses to remove my message. I don't know why. Firstly, he was calm. But we just kept meeting each other in music pages, and yeah. He did assume good faith, but for once only. I do not know if he has already forgiven me, so I am seeking your help. Do not ping the user if you know who he is, I don't want him to be engaged in this conversation. I am sorry if I offended anybody, but I am just trying to express my frustration. There was also once where I uploaded a new version of a file he originally uploaded, and he reverted it, saying 300px is the recommended size. Then, I uploaded the 300px version, but he reverted, saying the colour is wrong. Oh yeah, colour is wrong. It is the right one, he uploaded the one Josepvinaixa uses, an unreliable source he said so himself. Then, he uploaded MY version again, with no explanation. He uploads cover artworks from Josepvinaixa, which he says himself is NOT a reliable source. Then, he still uses it. Perhaps he knows that that is the cover artwork, he is just saving from Josepvinaixa as it is automatically 300px PNG. So, I copied him, and yet he deleted my file. WOW. I am still using Josepvinaixa's one, but I am trying to avoid it. If I really can't find it, I'll just use Josep's. Sorry for this long essay, and I hope you can help. Cheers, Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 09:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC) W

Here is my advice, Nahnah4. Stay away from this editor. Call it a voluntary one-way interaction ban. You are incorrect about user talk pages. Users can delete any message from their own page except formal administrative notices. This person does not want your messages so leave no more. Edit in compliance with policies and guidelines, keep calm, and carry on. Do not let your emotions get the best of you. If an image is in dispute, just forget about it and move on. I wish you well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim! Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 02:16, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm having trouble

I've went to quite a bit of effort to bring a few wikipedia articles up to speed. But two moderators have ganged up on me and reversed some of the content I have added even though it was referenced. Tell me I haven't tried to be a good wikipedian so far in 2014/15?

Can you see what the problem is? I think its being done simply because it doesnt fit in with their worldview but I cant help that.

Jodyrootes (talk) 13:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

It seems that Jodyrootes has been blocked as a sockpuppet, so I will refrain from commenting further at this time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Thomas Forester

Dear Jim

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Phoenix-works/sandbox

I have submitted my first article which is the history of a Victorian pottery manufacturer called Thomas Forester who four years after he started in 1877 took the largest order for Majolica ever to have been taken in the Potteries to that date and in 20 years ended up employing over 700 people in his factories. He also created many new techniques and designs in the pottery industry. He became a Justice of the peace and was offered the job of mayor which he declined. All this is evidenced mainly in the leading magazine at the time called the Pottery Gazette and he has a book written about him called "The Forgotten Giant" by Peter Beckett in 2001. I accept the first rejection and fully understood the reasoning. I can't understand the secong rejection. You only have to go on Ebay any day of the week and you can find his wares on offer. There are many collectors who would be really interested in his history being more widely known. Is there any way you can help me ?Phoenix-works (talk) 16:39, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Phoenix-works. I suggest that you restructure the article to be about his best known company Thomas Forester & Sons, with a section about the founder. The material about his surprise 70th birthday party is trivial, and should be reduced dramatically. The point is that his employees liked him. I suggest using sources at least partially available online such as a book called Majolica: a complete history and illustrated survey. Plenty of other books mention the company. Select three or four that give the most in-depth coverage, and add them as references. Format your references fully, using appropriate WP:Citation templates. When you have completed the upgrade, ask the most recent reviewer to take another look. Let me know, too. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:48, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

It seems that Peter Beckett takes a similar approach in his book, which you need to cite properly with the full and correct title, ISBN number, and so on. This is a book published by a local company specializing in local history. Such books can be useful, but books published by major houses are much better for establishing notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:07, 3 January 2015 (UTC)