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Hello Chzz... i was on last year and then stopped for some time and i have decided to get back on... it has been a long time, so i will need help sort of 'restarting'.... i have missed most of what happened with your RFA, and am sorry about it... anyone here can help me out...
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Hey Chzz,
thanks for the help with the page. I've put one picture up, and am hunting round for some better ones to add.
All the best
Triboy123 (talk) 18:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
OK; please note, I have submitted it to "Did you know" - please see Template_talk:Did_you_know#Frost flower (sea ice). I didn't want us to run out of time with it. If you do come up with a better suggestion for the tag-line, or a better picture, please add it there. Also, keep an eye on the suggestion - there may be questions there. If it disappears from the listing, don't panic, it probably means it has been put into the queue - see the links at the top of that page. Chzz ► 10:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Nick de Angelis
This is Edieangelo who had been trying to complete the Nick de Angelis page. I thank you so much for your help. Yes, absolutely delete the other two pictures. I believe the article has been properly referenced re: Allan Stone Gallery, web address, books published with Nick's illustrations. I am sorry; I must seem like a complete ditz but all these03:05, 1 April 2010 (UTC){{{{{}}}}}[[]] are so foreign and confusing to me I feel like I am trying to learn Chinese. Anyone (and I am sure once the article goes 'live' there will be other 'editors' as Nick died at age 83 and was an active artist for 78 of those years.) who wants to see Nick's work can go to the website and see it there. I guess once the other two are deleted I can go forward and double check my references and ask for a review. It is not that I am so anxious to have it 'live' as that I am anxious to have it over with. I work three jobs and trying to do this is emotionally and mentally challenging me at a time in this economy when do not need additional challenges. Thanbkyou SO much for your help! Edie Angelo
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Edieangelo (talk • contribs) 03:05, 1 April 2010
Hi again. Sorry if it seems confusing; we try to keep it simple, but Wikipedia is enormous.
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Re. the two pictures - they've been deleted, thanks.
If you could get permission emailed to us from the copyright holder, by them sending us a copy of user:chzz/help/myboilerplate to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org with the pics attached, please do - and let me know; I will sort it out from there.
Received your message (starting with "Displaced Message" and will work on your suggestions
Chzz,
I got your April 1 message and will start some work on your suggestions.
I've copied them to my pc. Also I have a copy of the current version of the
article there. The safest thing is to modify that copy and see how changes look.
Ideally it would be Simplest to have that second, modified copy in my User Page.
I don't know if that is reasonable (copying and pasting into my User Space?).
Some of the suggestions are easy to do. I have to look at them more carefully.
But there remains one problem. What attracted me to the Birch Reduction article
was not only my interest in it. But, not wanting to sound egotistical, it turns
out that I am the only one who is really capable to deal with the subject
thorougly and accurately. It comes from my having worked on and published in that
subject somewhat uniquely. The others who worked on it and published are Arthur Birch
himself (no longer living), Leo Radom who is not an organic chemist and primarily a
phsical chemist and who has been out of the field, Aksel Bothner-By who I would guess
is retired (Carnegie-Mellon) and was involved only at the beginning of the Birch work.
My publications are the ones which provide the basis of understanding. There are plenty
of organic chemists who use the reaction but that is quite different than understanding
the mechanism in real detail; I suspect that most have not understood most of what I've
published since the isotope trick was pretty unusual.
Anyway, this is a long-winded way of saying that having the person who uniquely is involved
with a subject then not being the one to describe it - may be something which sounds good
in Wikipedia but isn't good. Carried to an extreme, it would doom Wikipedia's ability to
have difficult material.
Chzz, I would hope that is not the case. If it were I would not want the Birch stuff to come
from me and I would put it into some review article.
I hope that makes sense.
Would it make sense to bring that viewpoint to Wikipedia in general?
Anyway, I'll start going over the article on the other things.
Chzz, on an item completely separate from the Birch stuff but related in philosopy, in my main page
there has been for over three-months a request for References and Links to items on my own Page.
It has been stated that objective references for information there are needed. There has been a
request for people to help. But there has been essentially none, again probably for the reason
that few people if any will have the interest or ability to find those links and references.
I took it upon myself to put two or thre more Links (References) in - One from Yale describing the Chittenden
Award one from the ACS giving the winners of the James Flack Norris Award and one giving the winners
of the AIC (Amer Institute of Chemists) Pioneer(ing) Award.
Userspace 'sandboxes' - feel free to make and use as many user subpages as you like. No problem with that. I have just edited your user page, User:Hezimmerman, and added links to the existing subpage and some others ("test one", "test two" etc) which do not yet exist, and so are red links. You can click on those and create the pages. The links on your user page will make a convenient place for you to get back to them, at any time. You can of course edit your user page and change the names, or add more.
Referencing your own work - there is nothing inherently wrong in this, as long as you a) take care to only state facts that are supported by your published works (and nothing not published in reliable, third-party sources), and b) you maintain a balance with any other sources that may be available. Please review the essay (which is not policy, just a commentary), Wikipedia:Articles with a single source.
Heyyy Chzz....i have this photo of a Maratha soldier with me....Wikipedia doesnt have a proper pic of the same....i need to use it the Wikipedia articles....but how should i upload it....kindly help...thanks....Kesangh (talk) 13:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi. It all depends on the copyright status of the picture. If it is your own picture, that you personally took, you can just upload it at Commons.
However, if it comes from the internet, or a book, or something then it is very likely to be copyright. We could not use it without permission from the copyright holder - they would have to email a special 'permission' to us. Let me know if I can help further. Chzz ► 05:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a ton buddy....actually....1 of my frns used it on orkut....jus copy pastd it in my PC....actually its a painting....Kesangh (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
In that case, it might be complicated. It depends how old the painting is, and what countries rules apply. I suggest you ask on Wikipedia:Image legality questions - best to make sure of the right approach. It may well have copyright problems. Chzz ► 17:25, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I am still concerned about the constraints section in List of best-selling music artists, which has been tagged as OR for some time. I didn't want to simply remove it before I spoke to you, but really, it has to go - it is 'meta information', not factual, and not supported by reliable sources; it infers that the 'rules' for the article differ from the standard policies and guidelines.
I am pleased that our previous discussions resulted in what I believe to be a more neutral style in the article - ie the bracketed listings; I think that has been a huge improvement. However, I think this issue with constraints does need to be addressed, and I welcome your own comments on the matter. If we need to discuss it to get consensus on the talk page instead, that would be fine too; I just wanted to ask you in person first. Chzz ► 00:48, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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Hi,
I honestly don't think we could find sources to specifically support the statements within the Constraints due to the nature of what the section intends to cover. So, as much as I'd like to keep the information as it delivers some of the basic factors that need to be looked at while observing record-sales, having it removed altogether due to not being able to source it is understandable. Perhaps, later on I'll re-insert similar information using a kind of language for which we could locate sources. Thanks for asking me first, I respect that, and welcome back by the way.--Harout72 (talk) 03:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I have that user's talkpage under Watch. Earlier before I typed {{helpme}} on his talkpage, he was making edits on his user/talk pages asking questions. I don't know if he is sincere or what. But, I do know I saw him create just about every SD'ed file on his talkpage. Hope this helps. --Morenooso (talk) 10:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the info. He seemed to be asking that the user page not be deleted; unfortunately, it already had been before I even got there (as advertizing). I've provided links, so we'll see if we can help. Cheers, Chzz ► 10:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Cool. I don't know if he is still active, logged in or what. He's got some strange things going on. As Ricky would, "You got some splaining to do (I mean him). --Morenooso (talk) 10:59, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Would it be uncool to ask for help with this India editor Editing User:Capricious1? He created a new article, Nattasha Singh tonight and needs help. I'd type the helpme on his talkpage but don't want to get in trouble. I am going to bed and can't babysit his article any more tonight. Thanks in advance. --Morenooso (talk) 11:15, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
I've tidied up the article quite a bit, tidied up the users talk page, and added a bit more guidance.
By the way, I noticed your own talk page is getting a bit long. Would you like me to set it up to 'auto archive' things more than a certain number of days old, and have a little 'archives' box on the top? If so, just let me know (here) - and how many days old. Chzz ► 05:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your help with that user. I tried to help as much as I could but it kept taking off templates and restoring data/images that were non-applicable. If you could me archive my talkpage, I'd appreciate that. Once weekly should be fine. I tried to set up an archive a couple of weeks ago but must have botched it. Thanks in advance and for the help you gave the two users I pointed you towards. --Morenooso (talk) 14:46, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chzz,
Greetings from sunny Thailand.
I have a technical question about a redirect for an article I want to write.
Some time back I contributed to an article Johannes Maas (missionary). I had a disagreement with another editor (over a detail on religion), who saw I had contributed much to that article, and he nominated it for deletion (I think out of spite. I had talked to you at the time about some of their edits which I felt were motivated by revenge). There was no consensus at the first attempt, but the second time, these who voted to keep did not repost their keep votes, and it was deleted. (You can find it in the archives, I think.)
I would like to write a new article Johannes Maas. However, that name redirects to Johannes Leonardus Maas. Is there a way to change this so I can use "Johannes Maas" for a new article which will not redirect to "Johannes Leonardus Maas"? Thank you so much for all your kind help. รัก-ไทย (talk) 05:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
สวัสดีครับ
I also love Thailand, and I miss it. One day, I will return!
I see that you have already solved the redirect problem yourself, so that's fine!
You might want to add a 'hatnote' to both articles, when it is done, such as {{otherpeople3|the missionary|Dutch racing cyclist|Johannes Leonardus Maas}} (and vice-versa);
{{otherpeople3|the missionary|Dutch racing cyclist|Johannes Leonardus Maas}}
Also, I have a favour to ask you. I am working on the article William Windsor (goat), and I would be very grateful, if you had a moment, if you could have a look at it.
More help needed, please. I rewote the article (Johannes Maas), adding new material. Now some editor deleted my new article (Johannes Maas) and changed the redirect to go back to Johannes Leonardus Maas. Please check that article to see what they have done. I cannot find the new article which I created, since Johannes Maas is redirected to Johannes Leonardus Maas. The two editors that are doing this appear to have a trouble past, as they are neither registered, nor have a page. Thanks so much. (You are welcome to Thailand any time--but it is extrememly warm now!!) รัก-ไทย (talk) 17:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I found the Deletion Log listing (12:57, 7 April 2010 JzG (talk | contribs) deleted "Johannes Maas" (G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion. Also G11 and lack of independent sources.). Is there any way to retreve the deleted page? It was a new article with new notability notes. รัก-ไทย (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
The best way is to speak to the person who deleted it - just ask 'em if they can put a copy of the deleted article in your userspace - if they can userfy it. Chzz ► 19:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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I'm hoping you can help with an archiving problem I'm having. I set up User:MiszaBot III and had it working, then I started to try to tweak out just right for me, trying to set the auto archive a little closer to the incoming messages, just tweaking. Anyway got to a point where nothing was being archived so you have to wait a couple days just to see how it's acting. So I got to a point where I just re-loaded the program/commands and now it did (today) archive some threads, good thing. Now I have two archive boxes, User talk:Mlpearc below the archive header. The first one is the one I would like to stay with and use, I like the "Hide" feature and the "search window" I would like to keep, but can live without. I made the second one to hold the links to the archived pages That already exist. The first was keeping them in the "hide" tab and creating new pages after the maxarchivesize value was reached. I could just let the first box just start from this point and go on. But I would like to install the pages I already have in the "Hide" section, but I don't know how or if it can be done. I still don't know if the new Install will create new pages as needed automatically I might of Blanked out the line command for that I don't know. I created a Archive Index Page here, User talk:Mlpearc/Archive index, just to have them around and won't have to spend time tracking down if I need something that's been archived, (I have made future links to sequential pages).
Nutshell I want to keep and use the top box with the hidden archive index. What I don't know is how to insert archived pages in that box and I still need to find out if it will auto-create new pages. Sorry for the rambling but if you could take a look at it I would be very appreciated. P.S. Your autograph would be cool also MlpearcMESSAGE06:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I have your request for Links to Awards and for a brief list of publications - Will Do
To: Chzz
From: Howard Zimmerman
I have your message (repeated below) and can supply the References for Awards.
A number of neutral links and references are given in my Howard Zimmerman page.
I'll pick out all that are neutral. And I believe I have some more.
Also I can supply the References to Articles, my 1975 Book and Chapters. I have
literature references and wonder how to get the corresponding ISSN/ISBN's. Perhaps
in SciFinder; I'll check.
But actually all of my publications along with brief write-ups are giving in that
"User:New Artcle name here" which has a list of topics which correspond to items
already in Wikipedia but not really complete or properly references and also to topics
which might be written at some point.
Chzz, I'll look for a photo.
Best
FROM: Chzz
[edit] Re. article Howard Zimmerman
Re. Howard Zimmerman
"I have started working on this, and will continue to do so, as time permits - it may take a while, but I'll keep at it, between other things.
Do you have an appropriate photo that we could add? ideally a 'headshot', and reasonably recent - and/or any other particularly relevant pictures, such as e.g. you working on something in a lab, or delivering a talk, or whatever.
You could also assist in two other ways;
Do you know if there are specific references for the 'awards' - ie websites that list them? It may be that we can only 'prove' some of the awards, and we may have to remove others
Could you provide me with a list of the most important papers and books that you have published or contributed to? Not too many; perhaps 10 or so, and please give full details (ISSN/ISBN, publisher, date, etc)
Note: Please do not edit the article yourself, directly - because we will then have the same 'autobiography' issues. Feel free to make suggestions though.
Otherwise, I'll continue to try and improve it, so that eventually those tags can go from the top.
Chzz, here are some of the things you wanted. I'll get the rest before long. But here are the references with ISSN and ISBN numbers.
Also, I found a picture of me which may be all right. It is in .gif forrmat. There are 17 references. I tried to select those which are
"landmarks" but even with 17 I had to leave some really good ones out.
For the requested links and references, I'll work on that next.
H. E. Zimmerman – 15 Publications
7. "The Stereochemistry of the Ketonization Reaction of Enols," Zimmerman, H. E. J. Org. Chem., 1955, 20, 549-557. ISSN: 0022-3263
10. "The Stereochemistry of the Ivanov and Reformatsky Reactions. I," Zimmerman, H. E.; Traxler, M. D. J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1957, 79, 1920-1923. ISSN:0002-7863
26. "The Photochemical Rearrangement of 4,4-Diphenylcyclohexadienone. Paper I on a General Theory of Photochemical Reactions," Zimmerman, H. E.; Schuster, D. I. J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1961, 83, 4486-4487. ISSN:0002-7863
47. "On Molecular Orbital Correlation Diagrams, the Occurrence of Möbius Systems in Cyclization Reactions, and Factors Controlling Ground and Excited State Reactions. I," Zimmerman, H. E. J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1966, 88, 1564-1565. ISSN:0002-7863
58. "Photochemical Migratory Aptitudes in Cyclohexenones. Mechanistic and Exploratory Organic Photochemistry. XXIII," Zimmerman, H. E.; Rieke, R. D.; Scheffer, J. R. J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1967, 89, 2033-2047. ISSN:0002-7863
80. "The Di--Methane Rearrangement. Interaction of Electronically Excited Vinyl Chromophores. Zimmerman, H. E.; Mariano, P. S. J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1969, 91, 1718-1727. ISSN:0002-7863
82. "The Barrelene to Semibullvalene Transformation. Correlation of Excited State Potential Energy Surfaces With Reactivity. Mechanistic and Exploratory Organic Photochemistry. XLIV," Zimmerman, H. E.; Binkley, R. W.; Givens, R. S.; Sherwin, M. A.; Grunewald, G. L.; J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1969, 91, 3316-3323. ISSN:0002-7863 .
106. "The Möbius-Hückel Concept in Organic Chemistry. Application to Organic Molecules and Reactions," Zimmerman, H. E. Acc. Chem. Res., 1971, 4, 272-280. ISSN:0001-4842
145. "Quantum Mechanics for Organic Chemists," Zimmerman, H. E. Academic Press, New York, 1975. ISBN: 012781650X
193. "Some Theoretical Aspects of Organic Photochemistry," Zimmerman, H. E. Accts. of Chem. Research, 1982, 10, 312-317. ISSN:0001-4842
210. "Kinetic Protonation of Enols, Enolates and Analogs; The Stereochemistry of Ketonization," Zimmerman, H. E.. Accounts of Chem. Res.', 1987, 20, 263-268. ISSN:0001-4842
228. "Regioselectivity of the Birch Reduction", Zimmerman, H. E.; Wang, P. A., J. Am. Chem. Soc., 1993, 115, 2205-2216. ISSN:0002-7863
238. "The Meta Effect in Organic Photochemistry; Mechanistic and Exploratory Organic Photochemistry", Zimmerman, H. E., J. Am. Chem. Soc. 1995, 117, 8988-8991. ISSN:0002-7863
245. "Synthetic Aspects of the Di-Methane Rearrangement", Zimmerman, H. E.; Armesto, D. Chem. Revs, 1996, 96, 3065-3112. ISSN:0009-2665
260. Energy Distribution and Redistribution and Chemical Reactivity. The Generalized Delta Overlap-Density Method for Ground State and Electron Transfer Reactions; A new Quantitative Counterpart of Electron Pushing”, Zimmerman, H. E.; Alabugin, I. V. J. Am. Chem. Soc. 2001, 121, 2265-2270 ISSN:0002-7863
267. “Inter and Intramolecular Stereoselective Protonation of Enols”, Zimmerman, H. E.; Wang, P., J. Org. Chem. 2002, 69, 9216-9226. ISSN:0022-3263
285. Triplet Photochemistry of Vinyl Cyclopropenes; Mechanistic and Exploratory Organic Photochemistry, Zimmerman, H. E., J Org. Chem. 2009, 73, 1247-1251. ISSN:0022-3263.
For the picture in .gif format, I guess I need to upload that and leave in in Wiki Commons.
No probs, sorry about any overlap; I was in the process of moving the article, moving the AfD, updating the link to the AfD in the article, fixing the linkage in the AfD, etc. A "/" in an article name is a pain. Cheers, Chzz ► 14:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I work on many, many different articles and problems. Could you please tell me what you are asking about? Thanks, Chzz ► 19:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
So, anyway.....
Regarding my signature not showing, thank you for your advice. You were right. The box was checked. Howz it now? musant (talk) 19:13, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Nice picture - is that your own amp? I bet all the lights go dim when that thing is turned on :-) Cheers. Chzz ► 20:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the tweaks! I never would have spotted some of that stuff. In fact it took me a while just to find the changes you made. Really appreciate it. Question for ya, is there a proper way to footnote a particular sentence, as opposed to the entire paragraph?
Yes, absolutely; that's the whole idea of using inline references. You just put the <ref> part directly after the sentence concerned. You can also use 'named references' to use the same reference several times. I'll add a guide on your own talk page. Chzz ► 09:56, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
AGF
Is always deserved and expected - In the particular case I saw a set of problematic edits - and suspected the worse - then, a user I have no clues about starts to makes claims on my talk page - I actually have made more templated welcomes in the last 24 hours than any such item that the user claims (ie where are the diffs?) that you have to join in - I am really curious - why?SatuSuro11:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
There was nothing to say that the unsolicited editor was previously somebody else (sul says 161 edits) - and as far as I can tell the claims about biting newcomers is rather broad and without diffs - what is one to expect? - as a person not in knowledge of who the person is, who comes on board with a comment about my reaction to one editor - who happened to get it wrong? I remain intrigued as to the knowledge you have of the 161 edit user was previously around, and feel the necessity for me to take criticism from what I had assumed was legitimately a 161 edit user - there were no diffs - and youre backing it up. Odd SatuSuro11:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you are quite right - I should have given diffs. Or probably, I shouldn't have bothered to mention it at all. Anyway, I see that it has all been sorted out. Chzz ► 12:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Nah hey worse things happen at the coal face - have a good day (mind you the ambience of this place and the real world suggests we live in odd times) - and well lets hope you never meet anything like david http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:DavidYork71 in action - it can be a bruising experience :) - cheers SatuSuro12:35, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Arrgghh I woz wandering around Manchester and Alderley Edge last September - and watched motorway holdups (the other direction) on my way up to the Berwick on Tweed territory. As for all that stuff in 4 years that I have watched such a weird and wonderful range of issues at that aforementioned ( I get out the uzzi and slowly disengage the lock on the kalashnikov as I hear the word wondering over the valley...) that, that I shall not name - I can think of better things to do [1] if you look at the purple bit - you can see I have a thing about project tagging or two) I would say with all these asides - that the un-namable has more broken about it than there are potential and probable wrong turns on Manchester motorways :( SatuSuro12:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I put the requested links on my own Talk Page but don't know if you will note that, and
if that is the best way to get the information to you. Thus I'm putting this on your
User page; I couldn't find User:Chzz/talk.
In any case I have a good list of Links as you requested. Some I had sent earlier but there
are new ones. The best one is the Chemistry Department's list of All Departmental Awards going
back very far; the Department apparently started this very long ago. But it does require
manually searching in time to find me among the awardees.
The list of links follow below.
Best wishes,
Howard
AWARD LINKS
Note: The best link is the Chemistry Department Pages which list all of the Chemistry Faculty Awards. One needs to search through them by years.
Awards listed in Chemistry Cope Scholar, Humboldt, AIC Chem Pioneer, Porter Medal, NAS, Northeast First Award for Photochemistry, Halpern Award of New York Acad. Sci.
http://www.chem.wisc.edu/users/zimmerma#awards
IUPAC Porter Medal for Photochemical Research Photochemistry, 2006
ACS Arthur C. Cope Scholar Award, 1990
U.W. Hilldale Award in the Physical Sciences 1989
Senior Humboldt Fellowship Award, 1988
Chemical Pioneer Award of the American Institute of Chemists, 1986
One of the 1000 Most Cited Authors in all fields of science, in which 49 organic chemists were included, 1981
Election to National Academy of Sciences, 1980
Halpern Award for Photochemistry awarded by the New York Academy of Sciences, 1980
One of the 250 Most Cited Primary Authors in all fields of science, in which 31 organic chemists were included, 1977
James Flack Norris Award for Physical-Organic Chemistry of the ACS, 1976
First Award for Photochemistry of the Northeast ACS Section, 1971
Chittenden Award, Yale, 1950
Phi Beta Kappa, Sigma XI, 1948
regarding my new article learnacy which is marked for speedy deletion
I will go through your suggestions and the Wikipedia tutorial tomorrow lol.
I have mostly cited from the book "power up your mind" by Bill Lucas in my initial comments in the article from my memory and interpretation of the book, I understand that direct quotations, not interpretations are required from that "published article". As far as scientific evidence goes I am sure Bill has valid references I will look into this tomorrow. Regards gr8sage lol :-S p.s alternatively may I suggest the article be written properly by someone more academically minded as I have learning difficulties lol thus my interest in creating the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gr8tsage (talk • contribs) 11:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey, when you see a page like that, make sure you mark it as an attack page; Twinkle will blank it and it'll get much faster action from the admins. Thanks for patrolling! Glenfarclas (talk)04:37, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't have to be libelous or desperate, just "Pages that disparage or threaten their subject or some other entity, and serve no other purpose." As I remember, this one pretty much just said, "Justin smells bad, he stepped in poo." Your judgment, though -- I guess I should have checked your edit count or something; you obviously know how to patrol pages and use Twinkle! Glenfarclas (talk)05:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
No, not at all; on reflection, you're probably right. I hoped that perhaps a "Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked" type message might be more effective than the more stern warning - but they were blocked shortly after anyway, so it's a moot point. I'm always open to criticism though, and I appreciate it. Cheers, Chzz ► 14:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Heads up
Hey there Chzz just a heads up , I don't know if your working on you user page or a vandal hit or what but have a check. Later MlpearcMESSAGE17:32, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
You provided feedback on my page, but I had further questions. Here is what I had said regarding Moraqjo/Trozzolo Communications Group work page
Thank you for the feedback. I've looked at numerous other agency profiles and I don't see this one as being different. I can add more sources to the history section, but it is a true account of the progression of the agency. How is it promotional to say that the agency changed names and merged with others? Other Wikipedia pages also list clients so I would think that would be nothing more than informative. Agree on the Ingram's - it isn't always known for being fact-oriented, so I'll update that. Moraqjo (talk) 15:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi there. Regarding other articles - don't rely on that; there are lots of terrible articles on Wikipedia, and many do not meet the policy requirements; however, that isn't a defence for adding more; it just means we need to fix them. A short history might be appropriate, all I meant was, to be very careful when using any primary source - see the link; primary sources may be used, but only for stating basic facts. Regarding the list of clients, it may be acceptable - I only mentioned it because, in general, we like to avoid long lists of information. One option that might help is to use two colums - I just edited the page and did that. The most important issue for any such article is to remain neutral, and only present facts that can be verified; at the moment, personally, I don't think there is enough to show notability, because most (or all) of the sources seem to be press-releases and suchlike. Let me know if you need further help. Chzz ► 23:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
To: Chzz From: Howard Zimmerman
To: Chzz From: Howard Zimmerman
Chzz,
I just put a group of links for Awards into your Talk page. This one seems to be user:Chzz talk and may be different.
But I neglected to mention that I had uploaded a Picture (labeled HEZ Picture) as a .gif image. It should be in Wiki Commons.
Howard E. Zimmerman 22:18, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
To: Chzz From: Howard Z
Chzz,
I looked at the page on Howard Zimmerman and it looks very (exceptionally) nicely done. I note that you have been working on it even today. But from England that may mean that you have been working late hours and it may be too late today to read my message.
There is one very minor thing, that regarding the National Research Council Fellowship I got to work at Harvard with R. B. Woodward.
"Thus "He was a Postdoctoral Research Fellow with the Lilly National Research Council from 1953 to 1954 working with R. B. Woodward.[5]"
would be more accurate as:
"Thus "He was a Postdoctoral Research Fellow with a Lilly National Research Council fellowship from 1953 to 1954 working with R. B. Woodward.[5]"
But this is nit-picky and not critical.
In any case, Chzz, I really appreciate the hard work and pretty job you have done.
I did the survey you suggested. It was designed for ....
Chzz,
I did that survey that you suggested.
But the questions assumed that one had edited an existing article
and did not permit mention of editing a new article (as I had done).
I did the best with the survey, but then contacted Kay Kiljae Lee
who gave his E-mail address. I noted the problem and he did get
back to me reporting that in future surveys he would take that into
account.
Best wishes,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 20:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Nick de Angelis
I cannot find my contribution. It is not 'live' or searchable and it is not available for me to edit. I want to finalize it and request review to go 'live' but I cannot find it. The article is Nick de Angelis and I am Edie Miller Angelo (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)EdieangeloEdie Miller Angelo (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi this is User:peteypaws the wife of Timex / User:Mlpearc he asked me to copy this message to your talk page. If you can read the message at User:peteypaws#Archive Test and when or if you have time coould you give the archive hookup a once over. I discribe what's going on and if it's not any trouble if you could take a look thanks Timex.
If he is imposing on you let me know and I'll tell him he has to figure out some other way to fix what needs to be fixed.
Hi Chzz & Blurpeace, I have made 1 modification since you revived the article. "wee hours" - removed. facebook - removed. A brief CV of Silviu Ionescu is added, with reference quoted. The Romanian friend we have told us that the Romanian government took away his CV (from the official website after the incident) otherwise, we can get a even better version. I am not giving up yet, because we can try to obtain from Singapore's Ministry of Foriegn Affairs but it may just take time (I guess it is just the usual justification and approval etc needed) Until such time, I hope the brief CV would help to balance the article so that it did not appear that the one incident overweigh his bio.
Please continue to give suggestion for improvement. I want to say this publicly (not sure the chat conversation was public enough) but I find the people in the AFC chat room is very helpful, adopting a positive attitude in assisting new comers.
As you have revived the AFC article, and your positive attitude, would it be appropriate to shift the discussion from Frank's talk page to here ?
Hi, do you have any idea why the IRC live chat channel thing doesn't work for me? I click the link, it loads OK, Java does load and the chat screen appears, but then it's just blank, I can't type anything in or see anyone else's replies. If it helps I'm running Mac OS X and I have Java installed in Safari. If you don't know I completely understand, I know you are not tech support (!) I will ask at the computing reference desk instead. Thanks. Chevymontecarlo. 16:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
You're most welcome. At least you now know how to contact other users! But, when you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~~~~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured here.
There is wrong information in Lindsay Lohan related articles, but thy are protected, can you fix them:
In the "Over (Lindsay Lohan song)" article....it says it was released on April 25, 2005 in the U.S., thats NOT true......it was released in the U.S. on December 14, 2004....can you change it please.....and add this source next to December 14 Source
Also, the same thing in "First (Lindsay Lohan song)" article......it says it was released in North America on June 25, 2005.....thats also NOT true....It was release in North America on May 10, 2005......can you change it please...and add this source next to May 10...Source
1."Rumors"
Released: September 21, 2004
2."Over"
Released: January 18, 2005
3."First"
Released: June 25, 2005
change January 18 , 2005 to December 14, 2004
and chance June 25, 2005 to May 10, 2005...
Do the same thing in the "Chart performance and singles" section:
"Over" was released as the second single on April 25th, 2005. The song spent three weeks at number one on Billboard's Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles, but was less successful than "Rumors." The song was the first and only single that was released in the United Kingdom. The music video was also played substantially on TRL, before having to be retired. Both received substantial radio airplay.[8] The title track off the album, "Speak", was supposed to be released as the third single to the album. Lohan even promoted the song by playing it at AOL Sessions. Francis Lawrence was supposed to direct the video.[9] "First" was released instead on July 25th, 2005.
You should yourself be autoconfirmed, and able to edit those articles yourself? If you want me to though, I will get to it as soon as I can. Let me know. Cheers, Chzz ► 19:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Actually, im not autoconfirmed yet, so i cant edit them......that's why i asked you to edit them.....
Actually, he's a sockpuppet of the banned user Brexx. On my way to fill out the SPI report, but you should ignore all these requests.—Kww(talk) 19:45, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help.
Now I've reached 65 and you have added a lot of mileage for me.
only 35 more to go. You are a really great Wikipedian.
Could you leave some more messages for the new comers? Your messages really seem to lead people act.
Thanks a lot.
Kay Kiljae Lee (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi there. You proposed this article for deletion using the WP:BLPPROD process. I have contested the proposed deletion, as I believe this site is acceptable as a source:[2]. If you still feel the article should be deleted, feel free to take it to AFD. Robofish (talk) 21:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I've seen what a very pretty job you made of "Howard Zimmerman", even my picture.
The article is pretty completely error-free. I suppose I might have suggested having
"(Harvard)" just after the "R. B. Woodward", but most people will know that Woodward
was at Harvard and that was where I spent the year on tne NRC fellowship.
My son saw the article and was impressed. He is pretty good himself as Head of
the Univ of Illinois Chemistry Dept.
Chzz, I now have that article on the "Birch Reduction Mechanism" pretty complete with
references, links, etc. I suppose the title could be as I have it although there are
some practical aspects as well as the Mechanism.
But I wonder what to do with the article.
I would move it to Article space if you thought I should do it.
I had been hoping that BDuke would look at it and give an opinion but he appears to have
been busy.
I did mention to his (Brian Salter-Duke) that my main reservation has to do with whether the
article would be "mangeled" or "modified" by others. I understand that anyone can Edit an
article. While I have no "Synthesis" or any of my personal research in the article except
for items in published research, the article necessarily reflects my thinking as I have been
a main contributor to the published literature.
Originally I had been thinking of published the article in (e.g.) the Journal of Chemical
Education. But the one article already in Wikipedia covers only about 10% of what is in mine,
lacks real mechanisms, lacks regioselectivity, lacks known explanations, and worse - is loaded
with real errors. It had been suggested by another editor that I work to repair it; but that is
hopeless.
Chzz, do give me your opinion of what I should do - move it to Article space, leave it as it is,
remove it, or what.
Again, real appreciation for the very nice job of editing my "Howard Zimmerman" article and also
for the early help in getting the Birch Reduction article in correctly (drawings, about references
and links,etc).
I read your message and will work on the Lede (Lead?) for the Birch Reduction Mechanism article.
I don't see a way of combining this with the old article - too many errors in the old one,
overlap to the extent of 10%, the old one really is not good.
Once I get the Lede done, you can tell me how to move it to Article space or you can do it.
Also, thanks for fixing up those minor points in the "Howard Zimmerman" article.
On a different subject, somehow I've obtained the History of the 774th Tank Battalion in
WWII. It seems to have come from the National Archives in Maryland; I had paid about
$700 to get paper copies and am uncertain how much of what I have in Word format overlaps
the paper stuff. But that was my outfit in WWII. It is a very interesting story but I
don't know to what extent it is free for publishing. My copy seems to have come from another
WWII veteran.
Do give me your opinion on the possibility of this going into Wikipedia.
Best wishes,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 13:33, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
My User Id
Hi Chzz, You may Perhaps help me on this or guide on this issue. My user id is Sap.prabhu which I had registered in 11/06/2006 which I recently got renamed to Ashok Prabhu (My name). On renaming by Wiki Admn, when I look at Rajapur Saraswat Brahmins or Shri Gaudapadacharya Mutt page I can see my old contributions are appearing under renamed id Ashok Prabhu, however subsequent contributions are still appearing under Sap.prabhu id. You have any solution for this...? --Ashok Prabhu (Talk)14:37, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Notes, en:User:Sap.prabhu was renamed through CHU process to en:user:Ashok_Prabhu on 2010-03-21. Their latest contribs are showing under the old name, eg [3]. Their older contribs have been renamed. They have about 1000 contribs combined.
Hi Chzz, I checked the findings by Werdna. I understood the problem, after renaming I need to logout from old Id and log in with new ID (Whcih I was not aware), since I was logged in automatically with old Id in my ie, the new contributions continued to logged with my old id only. Now I understood the issue, Can you pls check for me if the Contributions with Sap.prabhu id can be renamed to Ashok_Prabhu..? IF they can do the problem gets solved. --Ashok Prabhu (Talk)18:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Mr Chzz, I hopeful you can help me by giving some advise involving an edit war.
My first page I started editing was the Chesterfield, Idaho page. I decide to leave the page alone for awhile. I've done other pages for a bit and would like to do Chesterfield again. The war started with the other editor saying, "Rv: much of this is copied from copyrighted sources, so it's not too unlikely that the rest is as well."... lets just say he couldn't find anything that was copied. It hasn't gone much better from there. If you could read the discussion page and give me any advice... what I've done wrong, what I should do, etc?
I'm waiting for some books to finish the Utah Lake page, but let's just say that after that article, I now use Harvnb in my dreams and daily life. You shall pay for that someday((Harvnb|Life_of_Bgwhite|2010|p=485)) Bgwhite (talk) 05:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The above really made me laugh! I hope you don't become a Wikipediholic. The time to really worry is when you sign a cheque with four tilde signs!
I had a bit of a look at the Chesterfield business - tricky stuff. All I can really suggest is, perhaps, just add one bit at a time. That will make it easier to discuss a specific edit (if someone else reverts it). Most things can be solved by discussing it - I see that you had problems with an editor not responding, but that shouldn't be a hold-up; ask others to comment - perhaps on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Idaho. If you can get a few more people involved, it is easier to gain a consensus for a specific change - and then, if it is reverted, the user reverting can be warned, etc, because they'd be going against a consensus.
Thanks Chzz. I feel a bit guilty now that the IRC discussion mentioned the RFA though - It kind of feels like i'm accidentally responsible for Votestacking. O well, at least it doesn't sway the vote another way i guess. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs)18:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
No apology necessary; I actually came across it on-wiki, days ago - I just didn't have time to !vote until now. Best, Chzz ► 18:16, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Donald Grant Millard
Thank you for very much for "fixing" the page. I try and try to figure out how to do things myself, but obviously make some mistakes. I really appreciate your help with this problem and will try to keep track of your tips to help me in the future. Can you direct me to a place with directions for changing the name/redirecting a page? (Like I said, I have two in my userspace with the same problem!).
busicksmith
The Birch Reduction article now has 9 paragraphs in a LEDE. I had to put it into User:hezimmerman/Reftest
To; Chzz
From: Howard Z
Chzz,
I worked rapidly to get an LEDE for the Birch Reduction article.
I put the article with that LEDE (just before the Contents) in User:hezimmerman/RefTest
I didn't know where else to put it but that was essentially empty. I didn't want to spoil
the original article which was carefully proofed. One item which needs checking is the reference
to a "pentadienyl anion" where in the main part of article it is termed "cyclohexadienyl" because
it is imbedded in a six-member ring. There maybe a simple way to fix that.
I haven't really read the LEDE for clarity but it should be reasonable.
But it is long overall and I wonder if it is too long and needs to be truncated.
But you did mention some appreciable length with a paragraph for each item in the table of Contents.
Do let me know what you think.
I'll read it further for clearity. This is just before I'm due to check on the undergrad organic labs
I need to monitor.
Howard E. Zimmerman 20:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman (talk • contribs) 20:03, 13 April 2010
Responding to both messages - The flamboyant introduction and the Llly vs the NRC; also need to check the LEDE
To: Chzz
From: Howard
Chzz,
I'll work on finding a way to soften the introduction so that it doesn't sound like advertizing.
Also, I need to carefully go over the LEDE I wrote to make certain that it is all right. I wrote
it with some haste.
Chzz, I'm not surprised that you and your colleague had problems with "Lilly NRC" or
"Lilly National Research Council".
1) The NRC (The National Research Council) is the research arm of the NAS (The National
Academy of Sciences.)
2)The fellowship I had for that year at Harvard was an NRC one but NRC has had fellowships with
different sources of funding. The one I had came from the Lilly Co. and thus the fellowhip
was termed a "Lilly NRC Postdoctoral Fellowship" or "Lilly National Research Council Postdoctoral
Fellowship".
Thus there is no Lilly NRC.
Chzz, I had been curious about my NRC fellowship and contacted the Archives Division at the
NAS/NRC to see if they had record of my fellowship. I was particularly interested in the
"Mentor" I had. When I was leaving for Northwestern, he expressed some question about whether
I would have sufficient resources (actually Northwestern now if very good but back then if
was not the equivalent of (e.g. Yale, Harvard, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc).
I had another reason for interest also. The group at Yale had been very helpful in nominating
me for that fellowship and I learned that Bob Woodward had been helpful also. But I had
antagonized one professor when I showed he was wrong in a group seminar he permitted me to attend
and then asked a physical chemist who was right and then (stupidly broadcasted publicly
that the professor was wrong). I heard that the professor tried block my getting the fellowship.
And now I am curious about whether he did.
Again I written too much.
Best,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 00:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Chzz, I typed something and lost the long message I had left before I could Save it; this is shorter
To: Chzz
From:Howard
Chzz,
I've fixed up some of the flamboyant spots in User:hezimmerman/Birch Reduction.
But I didn't see where you put the LEDE into that article.
I had it in that messy User:hezimmerman/reftest place.
The Birch Reduction, a very common organic reaction, has several intricate mechanistic features. These features govern the reaction’s regioselectivity.
The Birch Reduction is an organic reaction which is particularly useful in synthetic organic chemistry. It converts aromatic compounds having a benzenoid ring into a product in which two hydrogen atoms have been attached on opposite ends of the molecule. The reaction is run in liquid ammonia with an alkali metal such as sodium or lithium and also with an alcohol such as tert-butyl alcohol.
Don't see the Lede in User:hezimmerman/birch reduction; Should I cut and paste it in from User:hezimmerman/Reftest?
To: Chzz
From: Howard
Chzz,
I don't see the Lede in User:hezimmerman/birch reduction.
When I wrote the LEDE I put it in User:hezimmerman/Reftest and it is there.
Should I copy the LEDE from the Reftest site to User:hezimmerman/Birch Reduction?
You mentioned dealing with the LEDE but I don't see it in the Birch Reduction site
and the Reftest site article is pretty messy (e.g. no final table of contents)
Also, I had asked whether the LEDE was too extensive. It has one paragraph for each of
the main topics as you suggested. But some of these are long. I'm guessing it is ok since
you didn't indicate a problem.
I've been pretty busy with the Pacifichem organization but I do need to study the
LEDE to make certain it is good; I wrote it pretty hastily.
Do let me know about copying the LEDE and if it really ok being that long.
The second sentence is the first paragraph of the lede that you wrote in the ref page;
The Birch Reduction is an organic reaction which is particularly useful in synthetic organic chemistry. It converts aromatic compounds having a benzenoid ring into a product in which two hydrogen atoms have been attached on opposite ends of the molecule. The reaction is run in liquid ammonia with an alkali metal such as sodium or lithium and also with an alcohol such as tert-butyl alcohol.
The other 8 paragraphs are also there, following;
In liquid ammonia alkali metals dissolve to give a blue solution thought of simplistically as having “free electrons”. The electrons are taken up by the aromatic ring, one at a time. After the first electron is absorbed, the alcohol molecule donates its hydroxylic hydrogen to form a new C-H bond; at his point a radical anion has been formed. .....etc
I've gone over the Lede and fixed up problems. But I don't seem to have an Alterntive Title. I thought "Birch Reduction Detailed" might do, but it didn't fit in to the first sentence.
To: Chzz
From: Howard Z.
Chzz, the Birch article is in very good condition and could be put into Article space except
that a title different from the other Birch article is needed.
I have considered:
The Birch Reduction Mechanisms
The Birch Reduction Detailed
The Birch Reduction and Details
The Birch Reduction - Detailed Coverage
etc. ??
I tried putting in the second one but it went into the very first sentence and didn't make sense there.
I didn't see how to change: User:hezimmerman/Birch Reduction to User:hezimmerman/Birch Reduction Detailed .
But actually the best title is "The Birch Reduction"
Chzz, that old article is much too brief, primitive, laden with errors and a mess -- to think of it being
combined with my nicely ordered and detailed coverage. Thus I guess one cannot wipe it out or rename it as
"Very Brief Introduction to the Birch Reduction".
I did the "move" as you suggested. It seems that it went without errors
To: Chzz
From: Howard
Chzz,
I did what you suggested, namely did a "MOVE" of
"User:hezimmerman/Birch Reduction" to
"Birch Reduction detailed"
It seems to have gone properly without error. (I held my breath when I did that).
The only problem is that a Search for "Birch Reduction" doesn't seem to find
Birch reduction detailed .
I seem to remember your mentioning having a Link (to or from) the article.
I hesitate putting a Link in the old Birch article. I could put a link into my
article to the old Birch one. But that would not help finding it intially.
The title (Birch reduction detailed) is not perfect. I can keep thinking about that.
I'm guessing that one can change a title using MOVE again (just sas in Linux programming
a "mv").
I no sooner moved the Birch article to Article space than it is subject to that old argument of "merging"
To: Chzz
From: Howard Zimmerman
Chzz,
I moved the Birch article to main space, but it immediately has been moved out
and subject to discussion about being "merged" with that old Birch article.
You can read my comments on that page where merging was suggested.
It is late here and I'll end with the usual
Best wishes,
On April 16, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gimjang, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Hey Chzz, It's me again, I really don't like bothering you, I do see how active and busy you are. But it seems your the only (at least the one I know of) editor around that knows and is willing to help. I went first to HighInBC to ask for help but you probably know that editor is retired. Anyway to my problem, and please there is no rush. I have the same problem at my talk and User:peteypaws. The "Indexerbot" has created the "Index" pages for both accounts but is not progressing, Does this bot run on the same schedule as MiszaBot ? The pages it created look great but as Misza archives the threads Indexerbot is not adding to the pages it Created. I was thinking maybe the indexerbot runs only once a month or maybe there's something wrong in the command line at the talk pages, I don't know. Let me know what you think "If you can" MlpearcMESSAGE16:23, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
kenneth: hi chzz, thanks for your contribution in my first article..
Well in your comment, u said that my article need inline citation, so how much inline citation do I need? because last time I thought that inline citation should be put if I referring to something in the book or web, or If I actually copy the word from them..Therefore all the words there is purely mine, I mean its like I read all of them then I rewrite it again. So can you just help me clarify?
second question is the sources, how detail do I need to put more on the sources part? since its a really old magazine, and cant even find the ISBN. not like book nowadays that has the ISBN clearly stated on the back of the book. :)
thanks once again..for helping me.
Almost everything should have a reference - not just direct quotations. Yes, you should paraphrase the facts, but you have to 'say where you got it'. The important point is, verifiability - the reader should be able to look at the reference and check the facts for themselves. The rule of thumb is, at least one reference per paragraph - but it is by far preferable to have at least one reference after each sentence.
Re. source details - looking back now, I think that the info you gave may be OK in the case of an old magazine. Of course, more would be better, if there is anything that could be added. The basic idea is, enough information for the reader to be able to locate the publication - to get a copy through a library or something. If there is no ISSN, then of course you can't add one; just please give all the details that you can. Is there any kind of 'issue number' or anything? Is there an authors name? You could link to the article too, by putting [[The Argus (Australia)|The Argus]] - that will display as The Argus - I think that is the appropriate link?
The main thing is, to add the references - so we can see where the facts come from. If you use the same source several times, that's fine, but you can use 'named references' - see my short guide in User:Chzz/help/ref#Named references, or WP:CITE.
Done
Hi Chzz/Archive 20'! You participated earlier in the sticky prod workshop. The sticky prods are now in use, but there are still a few points of contention.
Hello! Your submission of Jethro Rothe-Kushel at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yazan (talk) 10:46, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
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