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Manson

What’s makes the band marlin manson goth? Nothing the goth subculture and goths have said he’s not goth at all Thecure8985 (talk) 03:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

A week ago you asked me the same question. Here's what I wrote:

Your viewpoint is not supported by music critics who place the Manson band in the goth world for various reasons.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7] With so many observers saying "goth", we must include it in the biography of the band.

There ya go. Binksternet (talk) 03:50, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh no

Nooooooooo...that's just going to eat up more time! Can you change the suggested links to draft space so it can be reviewed if she takes you up on your advice?-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

LOL, yes. Binksternet (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you!-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Apocalypse Now

My remark about the Seinfeld show doing parody of this movie was only up for 14 minutes before you decided it was invalid due to no secondary commentating. Why ? ScottyScholar (talk) 23:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Because WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Not everything that exists belongs on Wikipedia. Pop culture stuff should be supported by WP:SECONDARY sources which prove that the thing has been noticed by the media. Binksternet (talk) 23:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023

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Request

Would you keep an eye of Favorite Kind of High? I've added a hidden note. 2001:D08:2900:F206:60F8:3CE6:F920:A45B (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay. Binksternet (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Bad reversion

Please undo the reversion you made to synth-pop. The source you reverted is not a "Wordpress blog", it's a scan of this chapter from this book. Such scans are often used to cite old music magazines and reviews, regardless of the url of the hosting site (which often are personal sites). Janglyguitars (talk) 05:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

If a website is hosting a copyright violation, then the situation is even worse. Professor Peter Bussigel should know better.

Regardless, the problem at that article continues to be one of contradictory sources. As I have said before, we must tell the reader the two definitions of synthpop, one saying it is a subgenre, and one saying it is a genre, explicitly citing the sources. Binksternet (talk) 06:26, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Binksternet,

As I mentioned on the talk page, since the edit has been reverted, I recommend that it be written simply: "Synth-pop is a style of new wave and pop music that first became prominent in the late 1970s and features the synthesizer as the dominant musical instrument." The word "style" would loosely define synth-pop as a genre and subgenre. It will be possible to use the sources of new wave music and pop music that already exist on the page. UserFlash (talk) 10:29, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree! We seem to have finally reached a consensus so that’s what we ought to do. Janglyguitars (talk) 14:07, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

ANI where I mentioned your talk page comments

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User @Lightlylove keeps harassing me. Thank you. I mentioned your talk page comments in relation to a discussion of another editor. Nil Einne (talk) 05:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Subwoofer

Subwoofer has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:16, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Stereogum/Hit Parade Podcast as a reliable source

Hi, it's me, the guy you issued a warning to a few days ago about changing genres. I was making it a project to read through Tom Breihan's "Number Ones" column and add any genres that the articles mention. But before I continue with this, I just wanted to know if this is okay to do. Is it a reliable enough source to use in mass edits or should it only be used for occasional edits? Or not at all?

And while I'm here I may as well ask the same question of Chris Molanphy's "Hit Parade" podcast (which I have also gotten in minor trouble for using as a source). I guess I thought that one was okay because Molanphy is a journalist that was interviewed on, among other things, the This is Pop documentary on Netflix.

At the end of the day I view editing Wikipedia as a hobby I enjoy and I wanted clarification before I continue my headlong rush in editing that may lead to a ban from editing, something I absolutely do not want.

And yes, I have learned my lesson of the differences between an artist being listed as using a genre in general and a specific song being one.

Thank you! Spiceislandseabird (talk) 12:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Both Breihan and Molanphy are career journalists. Their blogs should be considered expert viewpoints. Binksternet (talk) 15:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Carl Sagan

Hi, I have a real brief question for you. Netflix just released the trailer for their new film adaptation, 3 Body Problem. It is immediately noticeable that the voice of Carl Sagan is used to narrate the trailer.[8] To my ear, Sagan’s voice sounds highly processed and off, to the point where I assumed it was AI generated. But, according to the press release, it’s his real voice reading from the book Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space (1994). Any idea what they might have done to alter the sound of his voice just by listening to the trailer? Viriditas (talk) 00:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Not positive on the voice (could be), but the cadence is pretty spot on. - FlightTime (open channel) 00:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree, it’s definitely Sagan. It’s just that they gave it the "In a world…" trailer treatment, and I’m wondering what that typically entails from the POV of audio processing. They made Sagan’s voice bigger and bolder, more vivid, with the impression of greater depth. Viriditas (talk) 00:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I watched Netflix for a month-long free trial because of Nanette... In the same period I enjoyed The Queen's Gambit and other Netflix shows, but now I'm back to my other non-Netflix streaming services.

I would have to watch (and listen) to the show to have an opinion about the sound processing. What you describe is egregious! The Sagan estate should be up in arms. Binksternet (talk) 01:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

The trailer is linked at the top of the article in the above link. Viriditas (talk) 01:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh yeah, they hit nearly every trailer sound gimmick except "the booj".[9][10] The processing on Sagan's voice is certainly heavy parallel compression; hard to say what else is going on. Maybe some kind of buzzy high-frequency stuff like the 1970s aural exciter. And his vocal track is definitely used to key the pumping of the music track. Binksternet (talk) 02:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, not just for a great answer to my question, but for the link to the podcast from 2019, which I had intended to listen to, but completely forgot about until now. You're a lifesaver. Viriditas (talk) 08:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

New name!

Hello! I hope that you're doing great. You've known me as Garagepunk66, but I'll be editing with a new name, GloryRoad66. Best wishes. GloryRoad66 (talk) 07:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Congrats on the new name! Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Maniac

The Michael Sembello song has someone obsessed with a non-notable cover version who keeps reverting my removal. Could you block him for me? Thanks! Danaphile (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

I will look at the problem. I'm not an administrator so I can't block, but I can alert the right people. Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Ada Lovelace

Did you read the new research? Why are you reverting it? Swade et al. has published new research that shows Babbage was the first programmer. He wrote programs for his own machine, years before Lovelace did so. This new research has yet to be challenged over several years. I posted a peer reviewed paper for this by IEEE. Why did you remove it? "Consensus" on Wikipedia is not needed when it isn't an opinionated matter. This is not opinionated matter, as per the research. IndyCar1020 (talk) 15:36, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Your change erased too many previous sources. The issue isn't 100% solved by one new source. The article must reflect all the sources, summarizing all of them. Binksternet (talk) 15:39, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

That depends on the nature of the new source, the field, and a number of other factors. And in this case: Yes, it is. In this case it is solved. No reputable peer reviewed source has yet to refute the new research, and it has been close to 10 years. How many years do you suggest we wait? This insistence on clinging to old, outdated literature, makes me think there is a political motivation behind this. The more resistance I see, the more painfully obvious it becomes to me. IndyCar1020 (talk) 00:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

DJ Kool Herc Edit

My recent edits for DJ Kool Herc were removed after being considered "less than neutral". I would like to appeal this dismissal. It was only in more recent times that DJ Kool Herc was regarded as *the* Father of Hip Hop, rather than *a* Father of Hip Hop. Regarding him as *the* Father of Hip Hop is misinformation and erasure of all other pioneers of Hip Hop such as Grandmaster Flowers, Coke la Rock and Disco King Mario. Calling him *a* Father of Hiphop is more accurate and opens the door to other pioneers also receiving the title as Fathers of Hiphop. There is no one creator of the music genre.

There are many in the hiphop community claiming DJ Kool Herc is the sole founder of Hiphop and they are citing Kool Herc's Wikipedia page as proof and it simply isn't true. Older articles dating to the early 2000s (2005 to be exact) call him a Founding Father but not *the* Father.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4567450

Verbiage is incredibly important. I request his page be updated, and I request the pages of Grandmaster Flowers, Coke La Rock and Disco King Mario to also bear the Fathers of HipHop title. Asahae (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Would also like to add Grand Wizzard Theodore to the list of hiphop pioneers who require the titles "Father of Hiphop" and "Pioneer of Hiphop" on his Wiki page, if one exists for him. Grand Wizzard Theodore, an Afro American DJ, invented scratching and taught it to DJ Flash and DJ Kool Herc. He was their mentor. Asahae (talk) 18:34, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree that Kool Herc is "a" founder of hip hop. Rapping had been going on in various forms for years before 1973 when Cindy and Clive Campbell threw the first hip hop–style music party. Kool Herc didn't invent rap music, and he didn't pull hip hop culture out of thin air. But in terms of hip hop culture rather than music with rapping lyrics, a lot of sources point to Cindy and Clive's first party.[11][12][13] So that makes Cindy some kind of godmother of hip hop culture, and her brother Kool Herc some kind of founder. Binksternet (talk) 19:29, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

The sources you sited are all within the past 15 years. The source I found by NPR from 2005 cited him as "a" Founding Father. Someone recently decided he was the sole Father of Hip Hop and that is an incorrect title and it is erasure of the other Founding Fathers I named. As stated before, it is highly possible people are pulling this title from Kool Herc's very Wikipedia article. When people Google "Who Founded Hip Hop"? Kool Herc's Wikipedia page is the first to appear. This page is possibly leading to the misinformation to begin with and that is an issue. There is no singular Founding Father, there are multiple and I argue the verbiage should be corrected which, to me, is not biased.

Disco King Mario was just honored recently in the Bronx as a Founding Father.

Apologies for the link to a random Twitter page below but they have the video clip. I was unable to locate the original clip on Youtube since it is buried under numerous debate videos about who the hiphop fathers are and how King Mario was forgotten. Those debate videos goes to show that Kool Herc being "the" Founding Father is not a decided thing among us Afro Americans.

https://twitter.com/MensaMulah/status/1677473735018790913?t=-OZ2-EULTYEr8qDpUnWZYA&s=19 Asahae (talk) 18:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Somehow more Chris Brown issues.

Hello Bink. Yet another user is taking issue with some parts of Chris Brown articles and completely rewriting them to make reception appear more positive and/or removing criticism. Was hoping that we could just get this done and over with. Thank you in advanced. Aardwolf68 (talk) 12:27, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Socks! I will file a new report. Binksternet (talk) 14:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Primary user is All weekend on the weeknd, for the record. He's attempting to twist a narrative that I'm being biased and even stalked my contributions to go on another admin's page and say that I was in the wrong. Just for clarification. Aardwolf68 (talk) 00:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Binksternet, I had a quick look but while the geolocation reminds me of someone, I saw no evidence of alternate accounts. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 00:39, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

The checkuser found a bunch of disruptive usernames involved with Chris Brown articles, all of which are from "the same country". Obviously the same sock master. Binksternet (talk) 03:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I know that I really don't have much say here, but I do want to add that the same dude in Italy was also apparently a "The Weeknd" fan, or at least showed interest in editing his articles. Despite the fact that the amount of sockpuppets is more than the population of some cities in Wyoming, it could be seen as a lead that this dude is the same guy. Not to mention that, while we should give everyone the benefit of the doubt, that we also shouldn't kid ourselves here. I looked at the Weeknd account's contributions as he had done to me, and he went to the page of "Instantwym" a Chris Brown fan who turned out not to be a sock puppet. This guy is doing everything he can to garner support, something a puppeteer probably would do. But that's just by two cents. Good luck and thank you.

Drmies My edits are being reverted for being a sockpuppet while I'm not. There was nothing disruptive about my edits or my username: everybody can check them and see that. All I did was going to Talk:Indigo (Chris Brown album), read the discussion named "Opening discussion on vandalism, cherrypicking and editorial bias on this article", and tried to fix it. But I guess this is what happens when you go against a certain point of view they're trying to push... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.90.51.235 (talk) 10:10, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

So… there’s just another IP claiming that their edits are being reverted and using the same story that All Weekend on The Weeknd did? That’s not suspicious whatsoever/s. Aardwolf68 (talk) 07:07, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Take it Slow

Obviously we’re engaged in an edit war in these godforsaken articles and I don’t want your moderation to be seen as contentious favoritism or whatever. All Weekend on The Weeknd is more than likely a sock used by a VPN of the Italian guy, but unless we can prove that it’s not really possible to revert his edits on the basis of evasion even though it’s highly likely. We should probably get an admin or someone else involved for this case, as it only makes you and I worse if we handle this in the manner we’re currently doing it. I wish you the best of luck. Aardwolf68 (talk) 04:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't like giving socks another advantage. They flaunt our rules while we have to follow the rules. But WP:BANREVERT is a reasonable tool for reverting sock disruption, as it allows any number of reversions. BANREVERT was designed to prevent socks from working the system against us, slowing down regular editors while the socks rage around the wiki creating havoc. I will continue use BANREVERT when I must. But yes, I will take a breather and give the admin corps more time to figure out the solution. Binksternet (talk) 05:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Believe me, I don’t want to give them another chance either. But at the end of the day, if somehow this guy turns out to be a different person, this’ll be an entire crap show. I highly doubt that this is anybody different but at the same time, you can never be too sure. Your work here is remarkable and I appreciate your support nonetheless, and you’re undoubtably doing this in good faith, and anybody with half a mind can see that. Once again, good luck. Hopefully the cards fall into our place. Aardwolf68 (talk) 11:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Glyn Johns article

Hope you had a happy 4th! I did an expansion of the Glyn Johns article and would like to nominate it for GA. I was wondering if you would like to do the GA review? GloryRoad66 (talk) 04:21, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay! Let me wake up and get my coffee.

Right off the bat I see some American spellings and stylings when they should be British (preeminent vs. pre-eminent, realize vs. realise), and I see the word "between" used to introduce a date range, and the date range should have four-digit years and an en dash. See MOS:DATERANGE which requires something like "The years 1964–1984" rather than "The years between 1964-84".

After I flog my daily to-do list I'll start officially. Binksternet (talk) 14:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll go ahead and put the tag on it. GloryRoad66 (talk) 14:38, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I put the tag in on the talk page. I went into the article and corrected the style of date ranges. I'll go back and double-check to make sure I got all of 'em. GloryRoad66 (talk) 16:41, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

One encouragement, if you will allow someone who is anonymous to have their voice. Do indeed be rigourous with regard to compliance with WP:VERIFY. As an institution we are, in my view, drifting, with more and more content appearing without citations (and not just in the Wikiprojects that have been perennially in violation). If articles at the transition to GA are understood to require that all such non-compliance issues be fully resolved, perhaps we will accrue fewer as we go. Cheers. 2601:246:C201:39B6:D886:D33F:8A38:A5A5 (talk) 20:50, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Greetings, and thanks...

for the message you left for an IP editor, who asserted a personal perspective at the movie article for Master and Commander, thus making WP:OR edits that we prohibit. I appreciate your diligence, there. Besides which, I wanted to ask—what was the source of the text you placed, explaining to that editor, at their Talk page, why their source-free editing was disallowed? In the markup, this appears: <!-- Template:uw-nor1 -->. I found that text perfectly apt for the situation, and well written to boot. Is there a collection of these to choose from, when giving new or errant editors such feedback? Cheers, and thanks again for the diligence. 2601:246:C201:39B6:D886:D33F:8A38:A5A5 (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

The warning text is boilerplate stuff designed to address various problems. Each particular warning type has several levels, increasing in severity. You can see at the page Template:uw-nor1 that this is Level 1 of the warning for a violation of the hard policy WP:No original research. The levels are intended to escalate based on the judgement of the person applying the warning. I use a tool called WP:Twinkle to ease the process of warning people. Twinkle offers a wide selection of messages; every one that you see at Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace/Multi-level templates. A person would need to register a username and sustain a bit of editing for four days (WP:AUTOCONFIRM) to get access to the Twinkle tool, but anyone can deliver a templated message from the list, even as their first-ever edit. Binksternet (talk) 01:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

A suggestion

Could I suggest blocking the IP address User:71.117.180.143? Every time I revert his edits, he keeps coming back a month later and vandalizes the same pages again MusicDude2020 (talk) 02:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

An AFD on a guitarist

Hello, as a professional audio engineer and someone who has done a lot of work on popular music articles, I was wondering if you could check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davide Lo Surdo and perhaps offer your opinion there. The discussion has become quite long and convoluted so if you'd rather not, I'd understand ... but it probably needs new people and perspectives. Graham87 18:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've replied there ... oh what a tangled web we weave ... I'm not a fan of his music either. For instrumental guitar music, give me "Little Martha" or "Anji" or "Sacha" by Hank Marvin (which inexplicably was only a hit in Australia) any day. Graham87 02:58, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Even other shredders have some musical sense, taking the listener for a little journey. The song "Destiny" is banal. Sounds like a grade school project. Binksternet (talk) 03:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Section layout

Hey Bink; it's been a while – how are you? Hope you're doing well. Just had a section layout-related question: was there ever a MOS that prohibited (or at least discouraged against) structuring elements of a section as ==header==, content, ===subheader===, content? I definitely remember seeing this enforced years ago (Walter Görlitz was particularly strong on this) – I reckon I probably got pulled up for it a couple of times back when I started – but admittedly I haven't been able to find anything on this recently. See 2023 AFL season#Ladder; a mobile user complained about the ladder, as a subsection, being part of a larger section further up in the article, leading to it being reverted to a standalone section, but I was under the impression that the way it's currently formatted might be a MOS violation, so thought I'd check. Thanks – 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 12:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I am not seeing anything in the Manual of Style specifying or restricting types of content under Level 2 headings versus Level 3 headings. This kind of layout stuff is usually hammered out on a wikiproject talk page or the article talk page. If someone wants to elevate content to Level 2 because it is more easily accessed on mobile devices, I'm not standing in the way. Binksternet (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023

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Talk Page Response

I don't understand what your referencing? I've just edited, I don't know how to change IP addresses - it just changes based on where I am.

But why do you keep removing Fukumean on "A Gift & Curse page"? It's sourced as the next single and is # 8 on the hot 100. Reverting to the album being supported by one single is incorrect. 2603:7000:A1F0:3E0:4961:9A56:37A3:9A86 (talk) 20:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Stringini

Not sure what you were trying to do here, but I don't imagine it was what's there now - can you take another look? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I was waiting for one more edit by sockpuppet Possible People before reporting. The sock created the Richie Stringini biography page in violation of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christopher Stringini. The person has tried to create multiple variations on the name, as may be seen at the deletion discussion. The sock report would be applied to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cambridge Guys. Every one of the redlinked names should be deleted and salted, and socks blocked. Binksternet (talk) 04:25, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, but you've now got a mainspace redirect to an AfD page. What did you mean to have there? Just have it deleted? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes, deleted. Binksternet (talk) 05:04, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

One Hundred and One Dalmatians

Hello, sorry if I'm distracting you, but I need a bit of help. I'm currently engaged in an edit war with an unregistered editor on One Hundred and One Dalmatians. He tries to divide the information from 'Cast' section into two separate paragraphs, although it is not really necessary. I already tried to revert these edits and even put a warning on his talk page, but to no avail. Can you, please, somehow help to resolve this situation or give me some advice how to handle it? De Disney (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree with the other editor. The cast list is usually about the fictional characters. The process of casting should have its own section. Binksternet (talk) 18:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Usually it's quite hard to find enough information about casting process, especially for the older films, to form its own section. It can be just a little trivia. It just doesn't feel necessary to separate this information, since the subject is the same (voice actors and their characters). Besides, many other film articles on Wikipedia use this style of combining cast and details of their casting in one section. De Disney (talk) 18:50, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Films vary. Some have extensive sources about casting, others don't. That's not the point.

The WikiProject Film style guide says that casting information should be in the production section. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Production. Above that in the cast section it says that the cast list can take various forms including a simple list of names or a more detailed list including casting information. So the style guide gives contradictory directions. It's up to local users to decide which method to use. I greatly prefer to have the plot and cast list be where the fictional elements are presented, and the production section be where the real world connections are described. This aligns with the instructions at MOS:FICTIONAL which says we should present a "Careful differentiation between the work itself and aspects of its production process and publication". We should not combine fictional elements with real world elements. Binksternet (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

I picked ten film from the list of Featured Articles and only one of them was elevated to FA status with the fictional cast list also having real-world casting elements: Transformers (film). The other nine completely separated fictional cast from the casting process: The Empire Strikes Back, Alien vs. Predator (film), Saving Private Ryan, The Lord of the Rings (1978 film), Back to the Future, Bride of Frankenstein, The Dark Knight, and Casino Royale (2006 film). The latter film has had real-world info tacked on to the fictional cast list since it was brought to FA status. Binksternet (talk) 20:11, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

External links on song articles

Hi Binksternet,

I came across IP editor 62.211.233.175 edit warring over the addition of external links to various covers of songs on song articles.

I created a talk thread at Talk:I'm Alive (Celine Dion song)#External links in hopes that they would discuss the issue and the dispute would be resolved through normal means. Unfortunately, they continue to revert without discussion.

I have created an ANEW thread here about the IP editor, check out my latest "Update 2" on that thread.

Just thought I'd let you know about this since you did revert their edits once before and seem to know something about the history of the person behind that IP?? — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Yes, they are back at it, adding excessive external links. Binksternet (talk) 14:12, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Looks like they have been dealt with, finally. Blocked two weeks from editing the article namespace.

Btw I am writing this message to notify you that I have sent you an email about an off-topic question regarding speakers.

Thanks. — AP 499D25 (talk) 12:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Patrisse Cullors revert

Hi Binksternet,

Hey, mate, you reverted my edit on Patrisse Cullors. There is an actual interview where she states that she is "trained Marxist" that I have sourced. You marked it as "Rv misinterpretation of source".

“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk.”

Let me know what you think. Thanks, Kolma8 (talk) 03:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

When someone says "I am fully trained in X", that's not the same as them saying "I am X". Binksternet (talk) 15:38, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

@Binksternet: I see your point. Well, she did not say exactly I am fully trained in Marxism. She said "we are trained Marxists."

Would then saying that "she referred to herself as a "trained Marxist" " be a good "interpretation"? Kolma8 (talk) 23:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

No, not at all. She continues by saying she is also trained ("super-versed") on other ideological theories. Which greatly decreases the emphasis on Marxism. She is saying she has knowledge of Marxism and other ideological theories. Binksternet (talk) 00:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Matthew Lillard’s filmography changes

You do recognize that Matthew Lillard is in Scream(2022) he's the stab 8 Ghostface voice on Richie computer and he's one of the partygoer at Amber's party at her house which is at Stu's house you can hear Matthew Lillard say this "Yeah Probably Hey Freeman cool house" so why did you deleted when he's also cast on IMDb but uncredited why would you deleted that and The Ghostface movie because he might have one in the works GeronB2022 (talk) 17:46, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

If you find reliable WP:SECONDARY sources saying that Lillard played Ghostface in any format of entertainment then you will have leverage in your argument. IMDb is not considered 100% reliable because it fails WP:USERG: anyone can log in and change the information. Binksternet (talk) 00:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

The issue with your deletion in the Ghostface (identity) article is that you deleted the information explaining that his character is one of two who operate as Ghostface in the film. While true that Lilliard, as an actor, never actually wears the costume in the film, it doesn’t change the fact that the character he’s portraying is one of two people using the Ghostface identity. Perhaps a better way to edit this particular article is to insert a footnote stating that while his character is Ghostface, Lilliard does not appear on screen in the Ghostface costume. NJZombie (talk) 11:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Wherever possible we should state it explicitly in prose. Binksternet (talk) 16:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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DroneScapes spamming

Hi, is there a way to blacklist specific YouTube channel links? I remember seeing bots that remove YouTube links, but I don't know anything about how much that process works, or if it is still in use. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 21:02, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Typically, the sysops would rather block a single spam account than blacklist a spam URL, if the effect is the same. The simpler solution is preferred. Our IP friend from Italy with the DroneScapes spam links can be reported to WP:AIV if they continue spamming, and they will be blocked. But if they evade the block and keep going under multiple IPs or named accounts then the spam URL should be listed. See Wikipedia:Spam-blacklisting for more info. Binksternet (talk) 22:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

The plot thickens. Check out my note at User talk:Dronescapes. Binksternet (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Curiouser and curiouser. Still spamming tho, ain't it, even if it isn't technically a copyvio? (Assuming they're telling the truth, of course.) BilCat (talk) 05:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Quite right. Still spamming, with the Italy IPs promoting DroneScapes. And I don't see any evidence to support them telling the truth about collaborating with the original productions. No explicit statements. Binksternet (talk) 13:39, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Help with the OHW in U.S.A. page

Yo, what's up? So, I've been having this issue over at the OHW Wiki page. I asked about it over there in the "talk" section, and I figured you would know what's going on. The sections have become sort of templates in the visual editor. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 19:52, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

I saw your post but I did not answer it because I don't use the Visual Editor. I edit in old-fashioned wiki-text. Binksternet (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks for the imput. :) Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 20:34, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello Mr Binksternet

About the page Vince Dao, I am open to discuss fully and learn in the process. Wallclockticking (talk) 14:07, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

... Wallclockticking (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Let's keep the conversation centralized at Talk:Vince Dao. Binksternet (talk) 15:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Similar aircraft

I saw that you removed "similar aircraft" links from many aircraft articles. Most of your summaries state that similar aircraft "must have" similar engines. I'm a bit confused by this reasoning, as I am unaware of any consensus regarding the similarity of aircraft based on their engines. Perhaps this should be discussed, as basing the similarity specifically on engine type seems a bit too specific, especially in cases such as the Republic XP-69 where you removed all similar aircraft links. - ZLEA _T\^C 21:50, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I'm unaware of any consensus on this either, and I certainly disagree with it. It needs to be raised and discussed at WT:AIR. BilCat (talk) 22:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Sure, I'll bring it up at WT:AIR. Air- versus liquid-cooling has always been a major distinction in WWII warplanes.

The list of aircraft sharing "comparable role, configuration, and era" should emphasize production models, not incomplete prototypes. If a particular aircraft has been described as similar, then some article body prose with a cite should cover it. Binksternet (talk) 22:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Guardian

That's not an album review. It's a review of a live performance. It doesn't belong in critical reception. dannymusiceditor ^oops 17:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Binksternet (talk) 18:22, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

No problem. Figured you may not have seen the edit history so thought I'd clarify. dannymusiceditor ^oops 19:34, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

I was warned by two admins to quit doing this, so do you mind helping a guy out and reverting that same information on Deftones (album)? I'm trying not to get blocked but they can't accept they're wrong and I want it gone. Pretty sure there won't be a problem if someone else does it. dannymusiceditor ^oops 21:55, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Reverts on Nina Agdal

While the 3RR policy does not apply to removals of contentious material that is poorly sourced on WP:BLP articles, WP:BLP does clearly state:

Note that, although the three-revert rule does not apply to such removals, what counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial. Editors who find themselves in edit wars over potentially defamatory material about living persons should consider raising the matter at the biographies of living persons noticeboard instead of relying on the exemption.

Please follow that guidance in the future, especially if you have previously reverted the same content. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 20:56, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Binksternet (talk) 21:36, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

World Book Encyclopedia!!!!

Another reader of the WBE! I love running across people who read them. My favorite volume was "M," and I had a special fascination with the plastic overlay pages for human body systems. Joyous! Noise! 04:07, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Wow, great memory. Thanks! Binksternet (talk) 04:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The Marias

Hi again, Bink!

I see that you removed a comment that an IP editor made on the talk page of the Marias article. I'm usually quite tolerant to personal attacks and look past them for a bit at first, before resorting to requests for administrative action if it persists without any discussion on content. Anyways, thanks for that.

To give a bit of background / context here, the reason why I started the discussion on that article's talk page, is to attempt to resolve a dispute there is between that IP editor and two editors—me, and ItsMario97.

If you take a look at the page history of the Marias and Un Verano Sin Ti, you'll see that there's been quite some extensive history of edit warring between that IP editor and ItsMario97 about the capitalisation of 'the' in "the Marias", leading to several rangeblocks being placed and eventually those articles being semi-protected.

Since then, they have moved on to edit warring against MOS:THEBAND again on another article, namely Data (album), leading to a rangeblock being placed again. (see User talk:Daniel Case#The Band edit warrior is back again)

Basically, I am trying to resolve this content dispute through normal means, before proceeding to another request / a formal request for administrative action, e.g. at WP:ANI.

Some IP addresses and ranges they have used are 2607:FB91:1200:0:0:0:0:0/40, 2603:8081:A200:1D94:0:0:0:0/64, 2A01:B747:18A:344:0:0:0:0/64 (part of 2A01:B747:0:0:0:0:0:0/32), and 192.136.229.34.

I also informed ItsMario97 about the edit warring policy and how their edits aren't exempt from the three-revert rule.

Regards, — AP 499D25 (talk) 02:32, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I guess I am less tolerant of IP-hopping editors who disrupt Wikipedia in various ways including edit-warring against house style and the dishing out of insults against other editors. My first impulse is to get them blocked, but unfortunately that can create antagonism and provoke long-term abuse. Anyone with the patience to reel these types in carefully has my respect. Thanks for the info about other IP ranges. Binksternet (talk) 05:32, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I see! That's a good take on the matter. I've restored the comment but with the personal attacks edited out of view, and responded to it. — AP 499D25 (talk) 10:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Requesting Rollback on Heartbreak on a Full Moon article

Hi there, an account impersonating me is editing the article in question to make the reception sound positive alongside fake reviews and sources. Obviously the same person, as well as an IP who’s made 4 edits in total, all of which have been targeted at undoing mine. Thanks for your patience and your support. Aardwolf68 (talk) 12:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Love of My Life (Queen song)

What is happening with this song? Is it all one IP, jumping around, trying to do something (though i don't really understand what)? Or a long-term issue with this or several Queen songs? I don't recall seeing the problems with others, but i don't have a lot watchlisted, so *shrug*. Annoying, though; i'm glad you're often on hand to revert; i do what i can Happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 18:03, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. That person was blocked in July as Special:Contributions/2601:247:C601:57C0:0:0:0:0/64. They have some pretty strange ideas about what is an album track versus a single. Binksternet (talk) 18:14, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Reverting my edits when fixing

Whenever i fixed articles, why on earth would you reverted by edits? SuperSuperSonic207 (talk) 18:31, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Because you are making trivial changes that are arguably worse than before. And in other cases I looked at your changes and thought it was not an improvement. And there's the problem of your previous two blocks as Special:Contributions/2601:196:4A01:D770:0:0:0:0/64, which you carry forward to your new username. Binksternet (talk) 18:36, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Along Came Polly

Binksternet, Along Came Polly got negative reviews. But no, all you do is keep getting my edits reverted. SuperSuperSonic207 (talk) 22:06, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

You were reverted by PeachyBum07, so start a talk page discussion at Talk:Along Came Polly about the issue. Binksternet (talk) 22:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Wiki fandom

I completely read everything you told me and just removed the names of children/relatives since they're not needed for the infoboxes. Question: How did you hear about www.backstreetboys.fandom.com? It's not similar to wikipedia. Oh and I promise the previous edits weren't poorly written or did you want me to go over whatever I written? 71.105.142.132 (talk) 06:04, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

You have been adding stuff to various Backstreet Boys topics for more than three years now, using New York IPs Special:Contributions/173.56.58.183, Special:Contributions/72.89.5.219, Special:Contributions/108.6.204.85, Special:Contributions/173.56.58.244 and Special:Contributions/108.46.251.85. Every time you add something, other editors determine that it is poor quality, and they remove it. Your typical additions are trivia—unimportant to the topic. For instance, you just added "When he was 10, he appeared in The Wizard of Oz again, this time as the Tin Man while one of his friends, Sally Wood, was Dorothy." So what? This kind of thing is far too detailed for the encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 06:40, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

RIAA certification numbers, and actual physical sales numbers

Several years ago, there was a dispute regarding the Certifications table on album pages and whether or not we include pure album sales in its own column with sources (as certification numbers - which can include just shipments-not sales/and streaming numbers, and actual pure sales numbers aren’t always the same). This discussion has recently been re-opened here. If you have the chance, please comment. Blastmaster11 (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

New thread

Please discard that previous message, as I've started a new thread here - that's aiming to stick only on the topic, and to hopefully come to a Wikipedia consensus. If you have the chance, please comment. --Blastmaster11 (talk) 01:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Editing reason

Hello. I have edited on September 7th, 2023 the Heavy metal bands article, by removing Dio. The reason I did it is because the list specifies that the list include only bands between 1963 until 1981. And Dio started the activity in 1982, one year over the limit year. It wasn't removed by mistake. So, could you edit the list back again as I did it? Loyal to Metal (talk) 22:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I didn't factor in the dates. Binksternet (talk) 23:00, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

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Category notice

Brian Littrell doesn't have a disability. 71.105.142.132 (talk) 07:15, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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Utopia genres

You have reverted this edit, saying "unsupported genre", but how are hip-hop, industrial rap, rap rock, and alternative rap supported by sources? TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I didn't look at the other genres. All I was doing was reverting the IP. If the literature doesn't have anything about those genres, they should go, too. Binksternet (talk) 18:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, I've already removed them and added a note. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 19:06, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Velenje vandal

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CS1 error on North American P-51 Mustang

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Ding Hao reference on North American P-51 Mustang

I started a separate talk conversation about James Howard's aircraft "Ding Hao!" on the P-51 website. I added the "Citation Needed" because there's a photograph of a Malcolm Hood version of that aircraft that states on the back that it wasn't the aircraft flown by James Howard on 11 Jan 1944 for which he received the Medal of Honor. Feel free to go back to the P-51 talk session to see links to the photo and the inscription.

I'm curious if the link you added shows evidence to the contrary? Puff41 (talk) 19:12, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Chris Brown-related obvious sock

Please, could you have a look at the edits of this anonymous user: 5.92.13.35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). It looks like a blatantly obvious sock of this LTA. Which is the best course of action to prevent them from keep on disrupting articles? Thanks a lot in advance, DoebLoggs (talk) 10:29, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Now my comment above is stale as that IP addres has been blocked, but, in the very likely event I will meet that individual again, which is the best course of action to have it stopped most quickly? AIV, indicating possible sockmaster? --DoebLoggs (talk) 12:01, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your firm work reverting this guy. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Giubbotto non ortodosso, coming from Italian IPs and lots of sock accounts. Binksternet (talk) 13:49, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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Urgent Request to Restore CLUB 27 Article on MOHBAD's Death

Dear Binksternet,

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to discuss the recent removal of the article on CLUB 27 concerning the tragic passing of MOHBAD. It has come to my attention that the article was removed on the grounds of a missing source, but I believe there may have been a misunderstanding regarding the source citation.

Upon reviewing the article in question, I noticed that a link was indeed referenced to support the information presented in the article. It is possible that this oversight occurred due to a technical glitch or that another writer inadvertently tampered with the article's content. Regardless of the cause, I want to emphasize the importance of retaining accurate and informative content on CLUB 27, especially when it concerns notable figures like MOHBAD.

I kindly request that you reconsider your decision to remove the article and, if possible, reinstate it promptly. If there are any concerns or issues regarding the article's content or sources, I would be more than willing to assist in addressing them. Our primary goal should be to provide our readers with credible and well-researched information.

I appreciate your prompt attention to this matter and look forward to resolving any misunderstandings or issues regarding the article's removal. Thank you for your commitment to maintaining the quality and integrity of CLUB 27's content.

Best regards. Beeleafinme (talk) 23:15, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

No! I already explained that the sources DON'T SAY "CLUB" which means that they don't support Mohbad in the 27 Club. Binksternet (talk) 00:11, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Promotion campaign

was there something wrong with the promotional news on AJ McLean's page? It count as solo work, correct? 71.105.142.132 (talk) 04:30, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

You have been adding too much gossip and poorly sourced material.

The website prnews is promotional, taking text straight from public relations agencies. The stuff is not important until reliable WP:SECONDARY sources report it. Binksternet (talk) 04:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Scooter discography on template

Scooter's template is way out of date. So, if it's okay, I thought I'd update it per new single on the template. 151.2.154.42 (talk) 20:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The only stuff in the navigation template should be links to articles. Binksternet (talk) 21:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Reversion of Alex Haley service

I respectively would like to object to the reversion of the infobox for Alex Haley's service, He has a coast guard cutter named after him (USCGC Alex Haley)). The US Coast guard believes his service was valuable and in fact created an entire position for him. Furthermore, he was the first African American to reach the rank of Chief Petty Officer per the article of the cutter. Thus his service is actually critical to his story.97.118.82.11 (talk) 21:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

His USCG honors were awarded after he left the service and became famous for non-service writings. At the time of his service, he was not famous for the service. Binksternet (talk) 02:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Please take a moment to read https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Revert_only_when_necessary your reverts are coming across as bad faith. The US Coast guard considers his service significant. Please be respectful. 97.118.82.11 (talk) 03:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I have reverted the same exact stuff at other biographies for the exact same reason: fame did not come from military service. In 2016 we talked about this issue at Talk:Mel Brooks and decided against the military module in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 03:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Mel Brookes does not have a US Coast Guard Cutter named after him. Please read Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary. The inclusion of Alex Haley's service does not actively harm the article. As such your reversion is in bad faith. If you disagreed with my reversion you should have followed policy rather than re-reverting. 97.118.82.11 (talk) 04:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

The essay in your link is not Wikipedia policy. The actual policy at work here is Wikipedia:Consensus. You were WP:BOLD, I reverted you, now you should attempt to form a consensus in favor of your desired change to the article by initiating a discussion at Talk:Alex Haley. Binksternet (talk) 04:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism on JC Chasez page

Hi @Binksternet. I see that on the JC Chasez page that people keep adding back his full discography to his page, despite numerous reversions and corrections I made (thank you also for reverting every time the discography is added back) and a lock to the page that expired earlier this month. What would you suggest is the next step to prevent the vandalism and keep others from removing my edits? Thank you. Spectrallights (talk) 17:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I saw a revert yesterday that concentrated on awards and other stuff not included in the discography, so it seemed useful and I let it go. If they keep adding the full discography then let's keep removing that part, and ask for page protection. Binksternet (talk) 17:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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Honestly I get that you removed the uncourced genre on Selena Gomez's "Falling Down" and Sia's "Breathe Me" pages, but about Lorde's debut album, do you even know what dream pop is? Even though it was sourced, objectively the album doesn't have one single element from the dream pop genre. The only song that gets a little close to that is "A World Alone", but not even that much. I searched for a reliable source to the genre alternative R&B to that album because it actually has that sonority and added it.

Also, about Dirty Computer, it is an art pop album, I added the source, so you shouldn't have removed it. If you only removed the genres of Selena and Sia's songs, then I wouldn't need to talk about it here. Joaopuffle1 (talk) 00:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

A deaf person can successfully edit genres on Wikipedia because listening to the songs is not part of the process. Instead, we look at published descriptions of the genre and summarize those.

The guideline at WP:EXPLICITGENRE says the genre should be named explicitly in the published source. Dream pop is indeed named explicitly in the PopMatters source talking about Lorde's debut album.

If you would like to assert that Dirty Computer is an art pop album, you will need to supply a published reference saying exactly that. Binksternet (talk) 00:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Freedom (Neil Young album)

I'm not sure I understand why you reverted my edits to Freedom (Neil Young album). All of the content I added cites reliable sources, often quotes from the artist himself in published magazine articles or other interviews. I reversed your reversion. Please take more care in the future. Alcuin (talk) 01:09, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Your citations are based on an Angelfire website which fails WP:USERG. Binksternet (talk) 01:25, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not citing user generated content. I'm citing interviews that Neil Young gave, that were published in print media at the time, that happen to be available on an Angelfire website now. Your edits are not consistent with either the letter or the spirit of the policy. Alcuin (talk) 01:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Senator Feinstein

I understand Senator Feinstein had a complex history on LGBTQ+ rights, one that evolved over decades. Nevertheless, many organizations affiliated with the LGBTQ+ rights movement (e.g., Human Rights Campaign and The Advocate) considered her a champion of their cause. The AP I think got it right by describing her as "an evolving ally". I believe it would be a public service to qualitatively research and synthesize Feinstein's record - both the good and the bad - into something of substance for readers. If you would like to collaborate on that, please let me know. If not, that's okay too. Mcvayn (talk) 09:37, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Let's put this discussion in front of many eyes at Talk:Dianne Feinstein. Binksternet (talk) 14:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Surnames

Hi. I respectfully disagree with you about allowing same surnames for siblings to be presumed as the default. As with surnames of spouses, what is most common should not be treated as "the rule" to which anything else is implictly a deviation. (See also heteronormativity, men as the "default" gender, white people as the "default" Americans, etc.) Jcejhay (talk) Jcejhay (talk) 20:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Inertia and tradition are strong enough to retain the style of assuming siblings share a surname. Per Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Principle of least astonishment, we should continue to use the usual styles that are present in most writing. Binksternet (talk) 21:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm afraid I still disagree. A reasonable reader should not be "astonished" to see a person's full name used to initially identify them. I also question your assumption that "most writing" would omit surnames for siblings; my guess is that in the level of responsible writing to which Wikipedia aspires, omissions and presumptions regarding surnames would be avoided, more often than not. (And "inertia and tradition" are certainly no justification for perpetuating bad practices.) Jcejhay (talk) Jcejhay (talk) 21:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

It's redundant to repeat information. We don't need the surname a second time. You call it a "bad practice" but I call it concision. Binksternet (talk) 21:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

It's only redundant if sibling surnames are presumed to be the same by default, which perpetuates a prejudice against blended families, some kids having mothers' rather than fathers' names, etc. I'd like to hear what others have to say about this. Jcejhay (talk) Jcejhay (talk) 21:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows common practice in writing. Wikipedia does not take the lead, especially in matters driven by social activism. We don't right great wrongs in the world; we simply report on them. Binksternet (talk) 21:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I get that, but I don't think that what I'm advocating fits that pattern. What do you think is the easiest way to get some other opinions on this now? Jcejhay (talk) 21:32, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump, the policy tab. Binksternet (talk) 21:37, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Jcejhay Binksternet is 1,000 % correct. Good luck on trying to change policy. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:58, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

@Binksternet, thank you for the link. Done:

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Supplying_surnames_for_siblings

@FlightTime: I'm not trying to change policy. Jcejhay (talk) 22:02, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Nipsey Hussle

I’m sorry, but who are you to call it ‘unnecessary and unsupported’ to add the spelling of an obviously Eritrean name in the native language of Eritrea to an article where the subject is of Eritrean descendant?

I have given support for what you were so quick to claim was ‘unsupported’ and undid without any elaboration on what even made it uncessary or unsupported. Google has his name from several news articles in Tigrinya. It is as if you didn’t bother to do any search yourself before making those claims.

If you are the one who is not knowledge about the Tigrinya language or Eritrean names, or did not like that it was included, then just say it. But, since you won’t participate in further discussions about it on the talk page, after several weeks now, I can go ahead and add the change back per Wikipedia policy. ViveLaSuisse (talk) 23:56, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

It's not important to his biography. The Tigrinya language is irrelevant to his career. He was born in California, and that was his place of residence for his whole life. His Eritrean heritage (only on his father's side) is not even mentioned in the first paragraph because of the guideline WP:ETHNICITY. His fame was earned in the United States, not in Eritrea. Binksternet (talk) 04:02, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

ty

Thank you for keeping an eye out. Warmly, Lourdes 06:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome! Binksternet (talk) 06:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Need help on "Contributors to Haskell"

A page I watch Haskell is getting some questionable additions, namely Zazo Remy, etc.

I am going to start with some cn tags on Zazo Remy, and then blocking the proponents.

Just asking for some backup as I embark on this. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 05:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Not my topic of interest. Binksternet (talk) 13:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Another One Bite The Dust Revert

Hey I notice you revert my edit on Another One Bite The Dust. Just want to ask why? If you are going to revert it then why don't you start putting the Queen + Adam Lambert singles chronology like You're The Champions into the Queen singles chronlogy as well. Don't just do Another One Bite the Dust only. 219.78.68.59 (talk) 14:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, Queen Chronology, Queen + Paul Rodgers Chronology and Queen + Adam Lambert Chronology are also 3 seperate thing. I think you should merge them all also. 219.78.68.59 (talk) 14:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I think that Queen + (whoever) is part of Queen's chronology. Binksternet (talk) 14:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah ok I understand but like change the others. Add this: We Are The Champions#Queen + Adam Lambert version to Queen Singles Chronology, Add these: Live Around the World (Queen + Adam Lambert album), Return of the Champions, The Cosmos Rocks and Live in Ukraine to Queen Chronology. Also revert all my edits today on this. Might as well. 219.78.68.59 (talk) 14:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Dude are you there still? 219.78.68.59 (talk) 15:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Question

This edit has a summary idm/glitchpop/shoegaze. I've seen this summary recently, but can't recall where. Do you have any idea who this might be? Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 03:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't ring a bell. But the guy brags about being a user at rateyourmusic.com which he thinks gives him the right to change Wikipedia genres without supporting cites. (That website can't be cited here because it would violate WP:USERG.) I don't think he's ready to do things the WP Way. Binksternet (talk) 06:36, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Undefined sfn reference in A Saucerful of Secrets

Hi, in this edit to A Saucerful of Secrets you introduced sfn references to "Schaffner 2005", but no such work is listed. This means nobody can look up your reference, and the article is added to Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors. if you could supply the missing source that would be appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 22:52, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, not sure which reference you're referring too, but all references were provided and I spent considerable time adding valid info to this article which was missing key points of interest: unreleased songs, not to mention a tour with Jimi Hendrix. 76.111.152.243 (talk) 23:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Your contributions introduced a great many style problems along with poor writing. Binksternet (talk) 23:22, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

AJ's Dad

I'm pretty sure AJ McLean's dad is just Robert "Bob" McLean, because there's no source of reference claiming that his name is Robert Blue "Bob" McLean. 71.105.142.132 (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

If there is no sourcing then don't write anything about it. "Pretty sure" doesn't sound like it's worth having on Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Stop WP:Vandalizing Believe (Cher album) because of you WP:Baised opinion

Are you going to go to other pages and vandalize them like Denim & Rhinestones because you’re opinion is that an artist’s official store shouldn’t be used as a source? Stop vandalizing a page because of your biased opinion. Thank you! 2601:806:8300:D0D0:399C:CACA:8E49:A7E7 (talk) 21:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Referencing the artist's official online retail site is too promotional. Each album or single release is its own reference. Binksternet (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

That is your opinion! Don’t go to someone’s talk page making threats based on your personal opinions when you’re the one editing warning in an attempt to intimidate someone to get your way. Leave the sources up and stop making excuses! 2601:806:8300:D0D0:399C:CACA:8E49:A7E7 (talk) 21:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

You can’t pick and choose when sources are okay to use and when they are not based on the false claim like that cause guess what! Using Amazon and Apple Music is also promotional as well as people can click the link and go purchase the items too. 2601:806:8300:D0D0:399C:CACA:8E49:A7E7 (talk) 21:19, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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Why do you feel the need to encumber the lede with this

Per wp:lede. As it is elsehwere. https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Dee_Snider&diff=prev&oldid=1185823051 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6806:2792:8BB8:261A (talk) 06:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because the infobox should be an accessory item, not a critically important data storage hub. Everything in the infobox should be supported by article facts, not the reverse. If the infobox is deleted, nothing in the article should suffer. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE says, "an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored". Binksternet (talk) 06:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Ah. So no problem moving it to the body I presume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C9BF:387E:3927:1595 (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

I didn't intentionally vandalize the Outlandos D'Amour album wiki page, why are you accuseing me of that when I didn't?

I found this on https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Misinformation, accidental A user who, in good faith, adds content to an article that is factually inaccurate but in the belief that it is accurate is trying to contribute to and improve Wikipedia, not vandalize it. If you believe inaccurate information has been added to an article in good faith, remove it once you are certain it is inaccurate, or discuss its factuality with the user who has added it. My edits were in good faith and I was under the belief that November 17 is the correct release date for the Outlandos D'Amour album. I noticed there's a discrepancy with the release date for the Outlandos D'Amour album online, I've seen some articles titled with "On This Day in 1978" and posted on November 2 saying November 2 is the release date while on The Police's Official Facebook post they say the album was originally intended to be released on November 2 but it got pushed back to November 17. Why is there a discrepancy and who's right and who's wrong or is no one right. References: https://lonestar925.iheart.com/featured/jeff-k/content/2023-11-02-on-this-day-in-1978-the-police-debuted-with-outlandos-damour/ https://www.hotpress.com/music/on-this-day-in-1978-the-police-release-their-debut-album-outlandos-damour-22831802 https://www.facebook.com/thepolice/videos/45-years-of-outlandos-damour-join-us-in-celebrating-the-timeless-magic-of-the-po/888251566347279/ 209.225.141.104 (talk) 00:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

In this edit you cited hifinews.com which contradicts the dates you inserted, and you cited thepolicewiki.org which cannot be used as a source because anyone can log on and change the facts: see WP:USERG. Above, you cited hotpress.com which is a shite source having no author but an automated bot scraping the web. You also cited a Texas radio station host who clearly got his info from online sources; he didn't spend any time on research for this throwaway social media post. Facebook posts are also not reliable unless the author is explicitly named and is an acknowledged expert on the topic. Your Facebook post has no author listed. Binksternet (talk) 00:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

The Facebook post is from The Police's Official Facebook account. Database8493 (talk) 01:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

It's a verifyed account. Database8493 (talk) 01:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

It's unsigned. No name. Useless for Wikipedia. "Verified account" doesn't mean anything if there's no named author. Binksternet (talk) 01:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Shouldn't the release date on the wiki page be changed to November 2 at least? Database8493 (talk) 01:29, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources exist for 2 Nov and for 3 Nov. We should tell the reader about both. Binksternet (talk) 01:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

What are the sources for both release dates? Shouldn't the release date be November 2 because it's the earlyest date the album was commercially released? Database8493 (talk) 01:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Also what's the point of haveing both release dates? Database8493 (talk) 01:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Why would someone want to know both release dates when people are only interested in the earlyest release date? Database8493 (talk) 01:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

How do you know November 3 isn't a typo? Database8493 (talk) 05:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Considering that more sources have November 2 as the release date? Database8493 (talk) 05:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Message In A Bottle release date.

Why did you change Message In A Bottle's release date on the Reggatta De Blanc wiki page back to September 21 when on the Message In A Bottle wiki page has it as September 7 with a citation? Database8493 (talk) 02:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Why did you purposely violate MOS:THEMUSIC after having been corrected several times? Why did you put in the wrong release date for the album? When I saw those mistakes I reverted everything you had done in the article up to that point. Binksternet (talk) 04:29, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks! Binksternet (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Dokken albums

Greetings. I see you might've spotted the recent activity by a few Russian IPs that keep changing the release dates for Tooth and Nail, Under Lock and Key, and Back for the Attack. They keep ignoring RIAA as the most reliable source, as well as making a bunch of unnecessary minor edits all over the articles. Is it just a case of reverting them for now, or could PP be requested since it's kinda ongoing for the past month? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Good idea for WP:RPP. The IPs bounce around too much. Binksternet (talk) 22:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

User:Binksternet/Hammond

Hi there, I came across User:Binksternet/Hammond while looking at the contributions of a block-evading user. I just wanted to let you know that it looks like they're still around, and to thank you for your work!

(I notified ScottishFinnishRadish, the most recent blocking admin, of the newest edition.) Wracking ^talk! 16:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Wow, I haven't thought about that case for six years. I guess I need to add a page about them at WP:LTA. Binksternet (talk) 17:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I was surprised to see they had been going for this long! Wracking ^talk! 17:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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I messed up on the OHW USA page

Hey, I think I did something wrong on the One-Hit Wonders in the United States page. Way down at the bottom in the "sources" section, I added Wayne Jancik's 2008 book. (Yes, a physical book that I own) This was so I could create an sfnp out of the citations referencing the book. But when I tried to insert an sfnp for the first entry using the book, (Joan Weber) it came out wrong. It said that there was an error and mentioned "multiple targets". Next, when I hovered over "Jancik (2008)", my book citation came up. But then another issue came up. The entry is the very first entry in Wayne Jancik's book, and is on Page #2. But when I hover over "Jancik (2008)", everything was correct, except the page number was listed as Page #4. (This all happened as I was editing in the source editor and checked the right side (visual) after making the change. So I never officially made the change.) I read the "Template:sfn" page that Wikipedia has, and I am 95% sure that I did everything right. But something is just not working! I need help! Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 06:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm seeing the proper page number 2 for Joan Weber and page number 4 for the next entry, the DeJohn Sisters. Even though there wasn't a problem I could see, I breezed through the refs, trimming the unnecessary "page #" text. Binksternet (talk) 16:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank You! :D Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 19:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, I just remade the mistake and published it on the page to show you what happened. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I see the problem now. I think it will correct itself after you change every instance of Jancik 2008 article citations to the sfnp version, and after you put a full Jancik 2008 cite in the reference section by itself, without a page number. That single reference will be the one target which all the sfnp cites will be pointing to. Binksternet (talk) 21:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank You! I will try that! Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 23:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, the issue is all fixed now! By the time I got finished doing what I had been working on for the day, this guy by the name of Wham2001 had fixed it all up! So I thanked him. :) Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 23:35, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Ancient astronauts

Why did you revert my edit and give me a edit war warning? Reverting the edit didn't help anybody reach a consensus and arguably just contributed to the war even more. — THORNFIELD HALL ^(Talk) 03:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Now is the time for you to argue your case at Talk:Ancient astronauts. Start a new topic and support your argument with sources. Binksternet (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

And if nobody responds then what? I can reimpose the edit? — THORNFIELD HALL ^(Talk) 04:02, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

People will respond. Your removal of text cited by three sources is a problem unless you show critical problems with interpretation of all of those sources. Binksternet (talk) 04:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

We have a genre warrior

Hi Bink. Just a heads-up. A user that both you and I have warned has ignored the warnings and is continuing to make unsourced genre additions to album and song pages (usually "dance-punk").—The Keymaster (talk) 06:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

That new song is on my watchlist now. Binksternet (talk) 14:37, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Theoretical key of circle of fifths

The editor that was making ungrammatical and confusing edits at "Theoretical key" has mucked it up further and changed its name. I'm fine with regular old edit reversions etc., but I don't know how to go about undoing this mess. Thought you might be able to help sort it out. Thanks. Special-T (talk) 13:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

"Regular old" edit reversion is the quickest solution. And I moved the title back to its former more concise version. Binksternet (talk) 14:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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Why are you revering ALL edits?

Hello,

I was wondering out of curiosity why you are revering ALL of my edits of the category "American people of English descent"? There are sources provided in many of the articles (though I accept not all) that give information about their English ancestry. Why has it became a controversy with the adding of the tag? Is there something wrong with being of English descent? Most of the colonists and their descendants WERE of English or other British descent at the time. HockeyFanNHL (talk) 04:12, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Because you are violating WP:CATDEF. That's why.

I'm of English descent, so that's not it. Binksternet (talk) 04:13, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to address this question. You said: Most of the colonists and their descendants WERE of English or other British descent at the time. You are quite correct. Because "most" were of such descent, saying so doesn't help wikipedians define or compare to others of their time. We utilize categories in order to help define the reasons the subject is notable. For example, if we could prove a subject always wore boots, saying so in a category would not help us define the subject one iota. I have blocked User:HockeyFanNHL until they accept this as the way we categorize on English Wikipedia. BusterD (talk) 04:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Talk

I wnat to discuss the inaccuracy of the genre for nevermind post punk I find the source to be unreliable as the songs don’t have a single post punk sound at all Thecure8985 (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't matter what we think it sounds like. Robert Christgau said it was postpunk. Wikipedia goes by what the published sources say. Binksternet (talk) 03:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Revisions to the category Halloween songs

The revisions you deleted are widely considered Halloween songs by the categories description: "The following are songs which deal directly with Halloween, or deal with related themes and have appeared on a widely released Halloween compilation album."

I could easily find sources to reference this. Djaymiller (talk) 06:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:CATDEF is what you should be looking at, not the text of Category:Halloween songs which is not a guideline or policy. The songs are only going to get the "Halloween song" category if you can show that the category is definitive to the topic, that observers commonly and consistently remark about how this is a Halloween song. Binksternet (talk) 06:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Awesome thread title on ANI

"Obsession with Jason Momoa"? Corp smell-factories would KILL to sell that fragrance. (Heck, my significant other would kill for me to wear such a fragrance.) BusterD (talk) 04:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

LOL. I knew the thread title was asking for colorful comments. Binksternet (talk) 04:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I am certain this is the first time I've ever used the words "awesome," "thread," "title," and "ANI" together anywhere on Wikipedia. So it's fine day. Best. BusterD (talk) 04:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Pandemic vs lockdowns

Hi Binksternet,

I saw your comment on my edit on My Chemical Romance. I personally disagree with your reversion, however I do not plan on reverting it back nor making any similar edits in the future because you are a much more experienced editor than I and mainly because most active editors on wikipedia seem to agree with you.

So you can maybe just convince me, I'm curious if you can explain your reasoning to me.

When I said that MCR cancelled their tour because of lockdowns, you responded with "the pandemic is the root cause", you seem, therefore, to agree with my statement at one level, but believe that it's more accurate to give the 'root cause'.

This reasoning seems troubling to me. For instance, when we talk about the devastation in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we don't say it was because of Pearl Harbor, we say it was because of the dropping of the atom bomb, even though the attack on pearl harbor was the 'root cause'. I think my edit made the page more accurate. There were things done in Sweden that would not have happened in the US because of differences in lockdown, when they both had the same pandemic. Attributing something to the pandemic and not the lockdown I think is obfuscation.

Please let me know where you think my reasoning is spurious. SonsyEpicMap (talk) 05:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

What I got from your change was COVID denial. Lockdown happened but the virus didn't. Binksternet (talk) 06:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh, that's not what I meant at all. Maybe I should've been more specific in the comment, I just wanted to improve accuracy. SonsyEpicMap (talk) 06:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Do you still have a problem with the edit? SonsyEpicMap (talk) 22:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I still have a problem with it. You tried to move Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on education to a lockdown name, and you tried to move Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on domestic violence to a lockdown name. Neither one of those moves survived community input. I don't think the community is as ready as you are to blame lockdowns rather than the pandemic. Binksternet (talk) 23:40, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the explanation. SonsyEpicMap (talk) 06:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The Weeknd

Hi. I noticed you've reverted my edit on The Weeknd for poor writing, so I wanted to ask you if this one was moreso appropriate: "He is credited as a major figure for the progression of R&B in the 2010s, also being regarded as a prominent artist in contemporary pop music". If it's not I would please ask you to tell me what other parts should I fix. Thank you DollysOnMyMind (talk) 17:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I'd say keep the falsetto bit, per WP:LEAD. Binksternet (talk) 17:35, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I understand your point, but I think that the falsetto bit should be removed. It is nowhere to be found on the LA Times source provided for it. I don't know if it comes from that other Medium source because I'm not even going to read that, it's an amateur publication that I'm surprised it made the lead of an important article like this. DollysOnMyMind (talk) 18:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

More sources are available: Insider, USA Today, The Washington Post, Vox, Hollywood, and Rolling Stone. It's a thing. Let's not bury it. Binksternet (talk) 19:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Ludichrist/Scatterbrain

Stop removing Scatterbrain in the spinoff section of Ludichrist's infobox and removing Ludichrist in the spinoff section of Scatterbrain's infobox. It's a fact that Scatterbrain was the name that Ludichrist went by in the 90s which DOES MEAN that Scatterbrain was a spinoff of Ludichrist. 66.74.136.178 (talk) 21:01, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Subtle vandalism that went by unnoticed for nearly 10 years

Hi Binksternet,

On the Great White page, I have uncovered and fixed up an old instance of reference link hijacking / vandalism dating all the way back from 2014: diff.

This is just crazy to me, how this vandalism went by, sight unseen, by hundreds of other editors, for over 9.5 years straight.

My suspicions first arose when I saw a citation titled "Great White Shark Attacks On Humans Caught" in the references list. I was like, how could a video about shark attacks be used as a reference in an encyclopaedia article about a rock band? So I started digging through the page's history, for clues. And that's when I discovered the two instances of vandalism the two references went through, from Feb and May 2014. The moment I discovered the original references it all started making sense to me, all of a sudden. Ahh, the official statement on the website definitely lines up perfectly with what's written on the article.

I just wanted to know your thoughts on this if you have any, since music articles are a big focus for you, and this is the first time I've ever seen vandalism linger on a popular Wikipedia page for nearly an entire decade. — AP 499D25 (talk) 08:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Wow, I hate it. Good work ferreting it out. That kind of stuff creeps in far too often, because we let anyone edit but there's never enough fact-checking and oversight. There will always be a small percentage of bad actors coming here to push their agenda. Binksternet (talk) 15:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Andrewbf at SPI

Hi Binksternet,

I had a look at the latest instances of IP sockpuppetry from the user that we suspect to be Andrewbf, and found that a good majority of them actually come from this IPv4 /16 range, 187.147.0.0/16. Since the last ANI report made on this was not successful and convincing in getting admins to take action, I have created an SPI report for the 187.147.0.0/16 range:

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Andrewbf

I have provided as much evidence as I could, based on comparisons to previous blocks, usual latest habits, and subject interests. If you have anything to add to the report, that would be great too, since you seem to know a lot about this long-term genre-warring abuser. — AP 499D25 (talk) 03:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'll compose an update for the record. Binksternet (talk) 05:14, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Binksternet: & @AP 499D25:, I recently saw these two massive edits from anonymous IP from 189.174.22.63 (talk) Merida Yucatan Mexico, Special:Diff/1192790641 The Miracle of Love & Special:Diff/1192790106 Walking on Broken Glass, that might be of interest, which I had reverse it back (hopefully if i'm not wrong) --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

You got it exactly. That's Andrewbf in action. Binksternet (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

The range behind that IP appears to be a /19 to me: 189.174.0.0/19, I'll keep an eye on it and if disruption continues, I may file a report at the SPI above again. — AP 499D25 (talk) 23:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Nightmare band

I am sorry can you help me on still putting the band nightmare under gothic rock as the genres for the band under multiple genres have been labeled as gothic rock and it serves a right to be under a main genre for the band 2600:381:CBA0:28CA:F0B3:53D9:4EEA:5E9F (talk) 08:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I already added gothic rock per AllMusic. User:Carlinal took it away.[14]

You have been using your registered username User:Thecure8985 to change music genres based on the wrong things. Per WP:EXPLICITGENRE, the genre must be named explicitly in WP:Reliable sources. Per WP:V, the band's genre should come from sources talking about the band's genre, not from sources talking about album or song genres. Your edit summaries tell me you have been judging the genres yourself in some cases: "because the song literally has disco and dance rock sounds". You need to stick to the sources. Binksternet (talk) 14:25, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

riot grrrl edits Dec 6

Disclaimer: I am a member of the band Lucid Nation.

Regarding removal of Nomy Lamm and Lucid Nation from riot grrrl wiki article due to lack of citations in a particular section.

For Nomy Lamm: https://www.theolympian.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article243592937.html

https://www.mopop.org/about-mopop/the-mopop-blog/posts/2020/april/watch-riot-grrrl-retrospectives-riot-grrrl-is/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26891193 The Riot Grrrl Collection

For Lucid Nation: https://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/tamra-lucid

https://www.rookiemag.com/2011/11/girl-germs/

https://www.enmu.edu/about/news-and-events/enmu-news/general-news/2563-starring-in-her-own-life-get-to-know-dr-chelsea-starr (see her reference to having: "produced a single for Los Angeles Riot Grrrl punk band Lucid Nation" and her dissertation: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Chelsea-Starr/publication/305469453_Riot_Grrrl_dissertation/links/578fd98a08ae64311c0c78e2/Riot-Grrrl-dissertation.pdf

https://www.academia.edu/44226488/Activate_collaborate_participate_The_network_revolutions_of_riot_grrrl_affiliated_music_worlds

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3175311 "Riot Grrrl: Revolutions from Within"

Thank you for any assistance you can provide and happy new year! Theinfinite314 (talk) 18:52, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

With this pair of removals I trimmed the Riot grrrl article down to just the stuff that was supported by cites. The band Lucid Nation was removed, but it had not been described in any detail with cited sources. Instead, Lucid Nation was just one band name in a list of bands that were supposedly associated with the movement. The unreferenced paragraph had been fact-tagged for three years before I removed it.

Such a removal is in line with the guideline WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Wikipedia is supposed to tell the reader what is important about a topic, not what is peripheral or trivial.

If someone wished to represent Nomy Lamm or Lucid Nation as important to the topic of riot grrrl, they would want to cite sources saying just that, especially uninvolved observers describing one as central or foundational. Binksternet (talk) 20:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Music socks

Does any of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Blink 183 Angels and Airwaves look familiar to you as a potentially older sock group? Besides the couple of naming cues (song and artist names predominantly), seems to focus on pop, country, and a side of classical music. Izno (talk) 21:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Whoa. That is a helluva sock farm.

Nothing leaps out as familiar, but if I uncover something I'll ping ya. Binksternet (talk) 21:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Is there an IP establishing a location? Binksternet (talk) 21:16, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

There was a sock puppeteer named User:Dylan Florida that combined names of musical artists in the same manner as Stabbing Westward Creed and Elton John Billy Joel. I bet the checkuser missed Dierks Bentley Joe Nichols who was also active at 1993 in music, and is probably a sock of Dylan Florida. Other Dylan Florida socks were Billy Ray Cyrus Keith Anderson and Tim McGraw Faith Hill. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dylan Florida/Archive. Location for this sock farm was Australia, mostly Sydney and Brisbane with a little bit of Melbourne. Binksternet (talk) 21:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Nice, I thinks that's the one. Izno (talk) 21:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)