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I really don't think it's that big of a deal

The statue rule you mentioned doesn't seem to be enforced at all, like traveling in the NBA nowadays. Left guide (talk) 12:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide: There can be legit stuff that's in public domain. like ones installed before 1980 or so. My exposure was at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Tony Gwynn memorial.jpg, and before that for chalk work done on some public sidewalk, if I remember correctly, at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Jerry Tarkanian chalk art.jpg. YMMV.—Bagumba (talk) 14:43, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Ah I see, I found this Commons document linked in one of those deletion requests you provided, and essentially it says that 1978 is the dividing line, so that must explain the hundreds (or thousands) of US statue images hanging out on Commons since they're pre-1978. I guess I'll try to get some of the newer NBA player statue images onto Wikipedia filespace with a fair use rationale before they get deleted from Commons. Left guide (talk) 22:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: I randomly looked at c:Category:Hubert H. Humphrey Memorial. It's just a quote w/ no artwork (or maybe the art portion got deleted?). —Bagumba (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
I doubt that a quote inscribed in public counts as "artwork". Left guide (talk) 22:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: Sometimes, there's cases like File:If you work hard good things will happen.jpg, where people upload the base of a statue that has some quotes but has no permission issues. In that Gwynn statue cat, people have gone and uploaded more actual statue pics anyways. —Bagumba (talk) 03:10, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Yeah I noticed that, Gwynn was one of the athlete statue categories I browsed. Ironically, it looks like you uploaded one directly to Commons from Flickr. Are Flickr photos exempt from these rules? According to statue of Tony Gwynn, it was erected in 2007. Left guide (talk) 04:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: Ah shit, I thought that was the Gwynn deletion discussion I linked before. No, Flickr doesnt grant any exemption. It just means the person who took the photo doesnt mind if you use their photo. But Commons goes further, saying the statue must be "free", meaning the sculptor has to have given permission, not just that the photographer waived rights. —Bagumba (talk) 06:00, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't watch NBA but now that I've learned this I'm outraged! Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Alright, so I uploaded the Nowitzki statue image to Wikipedia filespace here. Did I do everything correctly? Does it look safe from deletion? Never done anything like this before, so a little nervous. If you see anything on that page that looks wrong, please feel free to fix it. Left guide (talk) 07:02, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide: Cursory look seems ok. If I ever do any of there fair-use rationales, I mostly copy some existing similar one, hoping they did it right. I went and added an archive to the Commons url, in the event that ever gets deleted and some proof is needed that the photographer released it with certain license before. —Bagumba (talk) 07:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Oh, thank you so much for doing that! That's good forethought, and a big help! :D Left guide (talk) 07:21, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: FYI: I self-reported that Gwynn one you found. Now that Nowitzki seems squared away on WP, I opened a deletion request for those on Common too. Sorry again for any inconvenience. —Bagumba (talk) 07:58, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, and no need to apologize, you're simply enforcing/complying with copyright. Of course I can't make you do this, but would you mind refraining from deleting John Stockton statue images for now? I want to upload a fair-use copy here on en.wiki from Commons just like with Nowitzki. Not sure if you knew, but I also made the statue of John Stockton article recently. :) Left guide (talk) 08:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Aside from editors uploading other people's photos incorrectly as their own, I generally don't get into public statues or Commons too much. As we've found, one could spend a lot of time nominating stuff there. With these new articles, if you didn't already know, you could also choose to nominate them to be on the Main Page on "Did you know".—Bagumba (talk) 08:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: Forgot ping. —Bagumba (talk) 08:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
I do know about DYK, and had thought about asking you since you seem very experienced in it (I've never done it before). Do you see anything from the statue of Dirk Nowitzki article that might be worth nominating? Maybe we could collaborate on something if you're up for it. Left guide (talk) 08:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
What about this hook?

Did you know…that a prototype version of the statue of Dirk Nowitzki originally had three basketballs?

Left guide (talk) 08:33, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Sometimes it just depends on the reviewer. If they're not into basketball (or statues), they might think "who cares?" on that. Anyways, a lot of times a nomination goes through multiple iterations with the reviewer, so go for it as a start if you like it. you can also make start a nomination with multiple suggested hooks. A common (though also sometimes overused) go-to is a catchy quote. Could do Cuban saying it would be "the biggest, most bad-ass statue ever", with the plus that not only basketball fans know Cuban. If you want something more academic, could try the center of gravity observation by the physics prof. Feel free to bounce off other ideas with me. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 08:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: Ughh. Again. —Bagumba (talk) 08:39, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
Those are good ones, hadn't thought of those, thanks. I'll whip up some Nowitzki hook proposals in my sandbox, and ping you at DYK when I arrive there. Do you see anything at statue of John Stockton that might be worthwhile? The only thing I can think of is the sculptor adjusting the statue 20 times by using a wrench on the ball-and-socket joints. Still gotta get the copyright squared away on Stockton before heading to DYK, but nothing wrong with brainstorming for now. Left guide (talk) 08:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide Can ping me before the nom if you have any concerns, but at the nom might give people the wrong impression. LOL. Anyways, I usually only do formal reviews to satisfy WP:QPQ when I have an open DYK nom. —Bagumba (talk) 09:01, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
This is why I'm a bit hesitant to go into DYK alone without first consulting someone experienced like you. There's like 20 different rule books and venues lol. Left guide (talk) 09:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: Don't take it personally. Nothing will be a blockable offense, unless maybe you start insulting people, even though newbies can get bit seemingly without repercussions. You've made it though WP this long, you have the clue to figure it out. Start with WP:DYKNOM. In theory, that should be self-explanatory, but of course the people that wrote it already knew how it works. Never had to eat their own dog food. —Bagumba (talk) 09:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, the archive link you posted to the Nowitzki statue file page seems to not work anymore. :( Is there any way this can be fixed before the Commons file gets deleted? Left guide (talk) 10:40, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Left guide Here's a new one. Unfortunately, there's no public logs on what happened to the old one, so no way of knowing if it will get pulled again. Anyone can request a page be saved on demand at archive.org, doesn't even require an account. There's a "Save Page Now" at the web icon on the top of the page. Another option is find another photo online and ask the author to release it (Wikipedia:Example requests for permission). There's some editors that regularly get new content by having the author release a specific photo on Flickr e.g. see the comments at this photo. —Bagumba (talk) 11:12, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guide: That said, I'm not exactly sure if a fair-use image needs to be released by the photographer. But it can't hurt. —Bagumba (talk) 11:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Sadly, much of what you're saying about archive links is like a foreign language to me; I actually don't know much about archive links (hence why I came here to ask for help in the first place haha). Thank goodness we have the WP:AGF rule for situations like this if someone questions the validity of the image or there's missing evidence. I actually looked at Flickr for Dallas Nowitzki statue images, and the Commons one was way better in terms of being able to see the statue, that's why I really wanted to preserve that one. The Flickr ones all have too much background clutter, especially of similar color as the statue. Also, some of the Flickr folks don't allow downloading/copying of their photos which I presume means they haven't given it a free license from the photographer's end. Left guide (talk) 11:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
@Left guideAlso, some of the Flickr folks don't allow downloading/copying of their photos ...: Yeah, that's where you can make a request, and sometime they might agree to change it. For archiving, maybe Help:Archiving a source can say it better—feel free to ignore too. —Bagumba (talk) 11:44, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Alright, thanks again. :) You deserve this too:
The Instructor's Barnstar
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For spending a lot of time teaching me about copyright in a clear and understandable way. Left guide (talk) 12:03, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Recent ITN closure for Arrest of Pavel Durov

This topic is still being widely covered in the news, with new articles being published only hours ago[1][2], the ITN discussion was still ongoing, and there is nothing else coming close to making it stale. Please consider reopening the discussion and let it run it's due course. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kcmastrpc: Thanks for discussing this. I think there's a misunderstanding on "due course" as it applies to ITN. Per WP:ITN/A:

If there is not consensus to post the item and the nomination has had suitable time to run (generally 24 hours), nominations can be closed.

This is different than other forums like WP:AFD, which run for at least a week. Most of the opposers cited that this was an arrest and not a conviction, and the links you provided don't seem like they would casue the massive turn needed to form a consensus to post. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 12:18, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
"can be closed", but not "should", or "must". Given the ongoing coverage and the significance around the coverage on this news item I'd encourage you to reconsider letting the ITN discussion continue, I've seen discussion go for much longer on similarly popular ITN proposals. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:32, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
@Kcmastrpc: I don't see it, but feel free to post at WT:ITN. I won't mind if someone uninvolved sees value in reopening it. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 13:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://fortune.com/europe/2024/08/28/stakes-are-high-for-billionaire-pavel-durov-as-he-discovers-his-fate-after-weekend-arrest-telegram/
  2. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/28/european-union-arrest-telegram-pavel-durov-law-analysis

Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Note

Do you mind updating Harrison Butker to the new lead for me. It's fully protected, only admins can edit it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:42, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: I dont disagree with your edit, but I'd be liable to face scrutiny for abusing admin privilege. Better to make an edit request on the page and have someone totally uninvolved consider if its truly uncontroversial. Of just wait it out. A bit rare that its fully locked for a whole month. —Bagumba (talk) 00:25, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
@WikiOriginal-9 Seems like I inadvertently did the edit anyways while (semi-blindly) going through search results. LOL. —Bagumba (talk) 17:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
lol lol. Also, I think the article should say placekicker instead of just kicker. He's only punted once in his career. Not asking you to change that though, just noting. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:58, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
@WikiOriginal-9: Is that a WP convention? Honestly, I don't remember "placekicker" being used much in broadcasts, but maybe I'm misremembering. And a punter always seems to be a "punter" to avoid ambiguity w/ the "real" kicker. —Bagumba (talk) 18:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
It's probably just a WP convention. I think kicker is more common than placekicker. Once the protection goes down, I'm sure someone will come along and change it back to placekicker though, lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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Another IP needs a timeout

User talk:162.83.200.43. Height and weight vandalism as usual. Rikster2 (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Blocked 31h.—Bagumba (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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Question

Do you do SPIs? I have opened two of them recently but no comments yet. There doesn't appear to be any urgency about people actively evading blocks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:43, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hardly anymore. They sucked up too much of my time. Reporters often dont provide smoking gun evidence, then I got sucked into digging, all while trying to play devil's advocate on whether the evidence was just a coincidence. So my advice is to provide enough diffs so that it's a no-brainer that the editors are all the same, and blocking and doesnt require the admin to do much due diligence on their own. Everyone is a volunteer here. Take the Skol case for example. It's not a crime to edit Vikings' pages, so it would help to point out more idiosyncracies that just the timing. Also keep in mind that someone looking at the case might know nothing about football and probably nothing on the alleged sockmaster. Nobody wants to wrongly assume and block innocent editors. Good luck. —Bagumba (talk) 17:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
I know what you mean. I added some more evidence. I'm not asking you to do anything though. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
@WikiOriginal-9 I did see this. You can probably find similar old edits where they modified the college info as such. Now we only started mass adding "professional" to active players, but I'm pretty sure you can find an edit or two where he was removing "professional" for some former players before.—Bagumba (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks B. I actually did already find an old diff of that. I added it to the case page. Thanks again, (not asking you to do anything) ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:29, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
They undid your edit here, lol. That's my last msg about it, sry. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
OK, I know I said that was my last msg about Sergio but the lead guy is back now too. "amd"? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Don't think I noticed him before. I guess that's your other SPI? —Bagumba (talk) 04:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Correct. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 05:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: I took care of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MyUsernameWillBeSomthingCool. A few suggestions for improvement:

  • You had diffs. Thanks. Providing commentary about that to look for in the diffs helps the admin not have to sleuth and guess. For example "removing info" from leads can be normal copyediting, but something like "making leads too sparse and without an accessible overview" shows an indisputable problem.
  • Two sets of diffs can be sufficent. Three removes most doubt, esp. for someone with no previous background on the editor.—Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: An always interesting dilemma is when one sees the light and stops making unproductive edits. I've had one or two before where it was a game of whac-a-mole. The editor wasnt technically doing anything bad anymore but there was still the whole evasion thing. I could tell when it was them, but I gave up chasing (became consuming), only blocking if someone brought it to my attention, because it can be bad for morale too if someone bothered by "fairness". But some people for various reasons might just keep returning. Too early to tell.—Bagumba (talk) 02:57, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@WikiOriginal-9: They're not exactly turning over a new leaf.[1] The backlog sucks, but it's a thankless job. I was staying away from that one with perhaps strict interpretation of WP:INVOLVED. But its a WP:DUCK. Any of us can revive, as needed. —Bagumba (talk) 02:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Oh well, we'll just advise him to not remove professional. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
It looks like he'll get unblocked at his talk page once he says he understands copyright, so I'm not really worried about it. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:10, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Looks like Eagles noticed Sergio's sock too (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sergio Skol). In case you wanted an update. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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