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TV Program Episodic List

You left a topic for discussion about this page like last year and I just wanted to let you know, I've added in the Broadcast Years for the shows as well as a big amount of shows which I'm adding Soap Opera's now as it is, I just thought you might like to know. Afkatk (talk) 00:41. 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks! Yes, that was quite a while ago ... and I had forgotten all about that. If you are planning to work on that article / list, I woud also suggest making it a "sortable" chart. I believe that that is a pretty easy edit, although I am not 100% sure. Thanks for the update! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC))

I'll defiantly look up the layout of the table in the future and see how it goes, thanks for the tip Afkatk (talk) 18:34. 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm currently looking around for it, Sortable#Examples Is this what you were talking about? Afkatk (talk) 07:20. 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. Yes, that link described the sorting that I was talking about. I already went in and added the sort feature to the Table in the article. I think it's helpful to have the information sortable. Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:33, 26 December 2008 (UTC))

That's cool, I was gonna do it, the unfortunate thing is the Years Broadcasting section wont be sortable. Afkatk (talk) 16:50. 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello. Actually, the dates of broadcasting can also be sorted. However, they all need to be formatted with the proper date sorting code. Check out this Wikipedia page that discusses the template and the correct formatting if you want the dates column to be sortable ---> Template:Dts. Basically, for example, each date needs to be entered such as this (without the extra spaces, that I just added in now to "avoid" the Wikipedia code taking effect ... so that you can actually see the code itself): { { dts | 2009 | January | 1 } }. That is ... if you type in the code { { dts | 2009 | January | 1 } } (without all of those extra spaces) ... you will get the date to appear as January 1, 2009 ... and this date will be correctly sorted when placed in a sortable table. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:40, 26 December 2008 (UTC))

By unsortable I mean that since there are a lot of dates which aren't clear like for instants there are some shows where it's not known when they started broadcasting Afkatk (talk) 12:14. 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. I just looked at the Table very quickly. I only noticed a very small handful (perhaps 4 or 5) from the entire list that had "unknown" dates listed. The great majority of the TV shows did indeed have dates listed ... and those dates can be made to be sortable. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:04, 27 December 2008 (UTC))

I think I'm gonna try sorting the table into Started Broadcasting and Finished Broadcasting, so that it'll be easier to sort, it'll take quite some doing though. Afkatk (talk) 20:26. 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It's funny that you mention that. Even before I got your message, I was thinking the exact same thing. That it would be easier to have two separate columns (beginning date and ending date) to make the sorting easier. Good luck. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC))

Hollyoaks series/episodes count

Hi. I've reverted your edit to add the series/episode count to Hollyoaks as it appears to be unsourced. Where have you got this information from? As far as I'm aware, Hollyoaks doesn't have a set series structure (if it does, I've never seen it). ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 09:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Ditto for Coronation Street - no series, it airs all year round. Also, you edited to 9 January. Well its currently 28 December. Anything could happen before those episodes air. Episodes are updated once they have aired, not before. Thanks.--UpDown (talk) 20:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

TV.com, I got the info from TV.com. Afkatk (talk) 21:50. 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not aware of TV.com being a reliable source, especially if it is giving you "series" information for shows like Hollyoaks and Coronation Street, which don't have series. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 23:37, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

In fact, I think their slogan "where the fans run the show" [1] show that it shouldn't relied upon. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 23:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

As to where Wikipedia is a reliable source.--afkatk signs off (talk) 00:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean. If you are talking about what Wikipedia considers reliable sources, see WP:RS. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 01:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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List of television programs by episode count

Hi. I just wanted to make sure you knew that this article is being considered for deletion. I do not think that it should be deleted, but others do. I am not sure how much you are concerned with this article, but I got the impression that you put a lot of work into it ... and, thus, that you did care at least somewhat about this article ... and its possible deletion. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC))

P.S. This page is where the deletion debate is located --> Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television programs by episode count. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:53, 19 January 2009 (UTC))

it's true I put a lot of work into it, I did care at one point but tbh they pretty much made me stop caring with the first deletion debate. afkatk (talk) 03:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

What makes you say that? I just looked at the deletion debate. It was strongly in favor of "Keep" votes, as far as I could tell. In fact, I was hoping you would participate in the debate and add another "Keep" vote. I am a little confused. If it is mostly "Keep" votes, why would that make you stop caring? Let me know. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC))

It's just some of the comments left even if they are in favour of it being kept afkatk (talk) 06:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I would not take any of the comments personally, if I were you. In the end, the result of the debate was to KEEP this article, rather than to delete it. Thus, most agree that the article is good and valid and has merit. I hope you will continue your excellent work on this article. It is appreciated. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

I never took the comments personally after all it is only wikipedia, I'll probably update it from time to time anyway afkatk (talk) 16:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

That's good to hear. You did a lot of good work there. Thanks again. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:28, 24 January 2009 (UTC))

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Idea running by you

We haven't talked in quite a while and I know you're pretty busy with other projects, I've seen your sandbox, lots of castles in there, but anyway since we've talked on this article quite a lot I thought I might run this by you before putting it in use, on the List of television programs by episode count, I've thought of putting in a Country of Origin column which I'm actually working on right now and I pretty much wanted your thoughts on it before I actually go ahead and make it final, oh and btw I have been working on the article again for the past few days afkatk (talk) 14:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I think I'll make a Sandbox to show you how everything will look afterwards afkatk (talk) 14:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Good to hear back from you again ... and I am glad to see that you decided to work on this article again! That's great news. As to your question ... yes, I think that adding in the "Country of Origin" is a great idea ... and I think that it will add to and benefit the article a great deal. So, my vote is: yes, go ahead and do it. Also, yes, I would love to see how this all looks, in your Sandbox, whenever that is ready. When it is, please let me know. I would be happy (and interested) to take a look at it. Thanks a lot for contacting me about this. Please reply back, whenever appropriate, at my Talk Page. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC))

Also ... I am not trying to make "more work" for you ... but I do have two suggestions about this article. What do you think? Because the list is now sortable, I think the table should have the following two things: (a) the Column for Years Broadcasting should be split into two separate columns ... one for "Beginning" and one for "Ending" years. This would make more sense in a sortable chart ... and ... (b) I think that the titles should be listed in alphabetical order, not episode quantity order. Because the list is now sortable, a person can always take the alphabetical list and simply sort by episode number, if they want to see which show has the highest count, second highest count, lowest count, etc. More importantly, episode "counts" will constantly change --- for shows in production, at least. Which means constantly "keeping track of" and therefore "moving" a show on the list whenever the episode count changes ... which could be every day ... or every week. However, if the list was in alphabetical order, the order would never change at all ... and no one would have to "keep track of changing the order of the list" every time an in-production show added more episodes. This is quite a bit of up-front work ... but, I think, worth it. What do you think of these two ideas? Please reply at my Talk Page, whenever you want to. Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC))

Hi, it's me again. I just now took a quick look at your Sandbox. Looks great! I have two thoughts to add. (1) For what it's worth ... I think that the first column of the Table should definitely be the title of the show. That is the most important piece of information in the whole list. I wouldn't care where exactly the "Country of Origin" column goes later on in the Table ... except that it definitely should not be the very first column. That is my opinion. The very first column should necessarily be the Title. I just wanted to share my opinion before you got too far down the list and did a great deal more work. And (2) ... I know that some people on Wikipedia complain if you list a flag alone without actually also writing the country name. I, myself, don't care about this ... and I don't know the "official" Wikipedia rule about it. But, I worked on other articles before ... and some people made a big deal that you can't list the flag alone without also writing the country name. So, I just wanted to "warn you" in advance. Just so you know, here is an article that I once worked on, a long time ago ... so you can see what I mean ---> User:Joseph A. Spadaro/Sandbox/Page22. Thanks for listening. Your thoughts? (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC))

I think the alphabetically listed part isn't really much of an issue as you pointed out this is sortable, and I am going to implement the idea of having 2 separate columns and I shall update the list with the separate columns and plan to eventually get the dts sorted out, I put the Nationality column up first mainly because it just sorta looked right, but I'll probably squeeze it into the 3rd or so collumn and I do have plans to make this more sotable as well, thanks for the input as well, this is pretty much the main reason I started up the Sandbox, nice hearing from you about the article as well, anymore ideas I'll pretty much put into consideration about implementing them afkatk (talk) 00:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

User:Afkatk/SandboxP2 I finished the thing btw, so if you want to view it and tell me what you think of it before I go ahead and add it to the article, plus the Start and End Broadcasting I'll probably get started on it tomorrow or so afkatk (talk) 03:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I checked it out. I think it looks great. You did a lot of work on that article! I am glad that you moved the "Country" column, so that it was not listed first on the left. It looks much better, the way that you now have it. Great job! Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC))

If you'd happily direct your eyes to User:Afkatk/SandboxP2, you can see a little glimpse of what it will look like after the Columns are seperated afkatk (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I did take a look ... and it looks great! I really don't have any changes that I would recommend. If I had to find one ... I might say that the last column (in production: yes/no) is perhaps unnecessary. We can tell from the ending date whether or not the show is still being produced. But, it is also fine if that column stays in the Chart, too. Either way is fine. Other than that, I don't see any issues ... and I think it looks great! Thanks for keeping me posted ... and thanks for all the work that you are putting / have been putting into this. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC))

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Feel free to take my Sandbox

I wanted to notify you that I'm giving up on doing the List of TV Program list thing, so please feel free to finish off my Sandbox and added it should be up to date with "07:42, 4 March 2009 Welsh (talk | contribs)" so please feel free to take over for me afkatk (talk) 21:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

V_V I guess you can ignore this I'm kind of bored now so I guess I'll finish it off, and I know I can be confusing afkatk (talk) 23:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

It's finally finished - List of television programs by episode count take a look, tell me what you think afkatk (talk) 17:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry that it took so long for my reply. I only have a quick moment, right now ... but I shall reply more fully soon. The article looks great ... you did a lot of work on it. Thanks! I have one suggestion. I think that the "Ended Broadcasting" should have its own separate column. Otherwise, (a) this defeats the sorting feature of the chart; (b) it actually makes the sorting feature not work on columns that have information (like "Start Date") that spans across several columns; and (c) it does not make intuitive sense to have the "End Date" be listed as the "Start Date". I quickly went in and changed only the very first entry on the Chart, to give you an example of what I mean. I think that is a better format. Let me know what you think. Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

I guess I'll just do a quick run-through of the article with changing the Finished Broadcasting column into "{{dts|{{CURRENTYEAR}}|{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}}|{{CURRENTDAY}}}}", which is a pretty good code and I think it'll demonstrate pretty well day to day that the show is still running (your views on this would be appreciated.
Also some discussion probably would be needed on what to do with the shows which have started and stopped etc or has had multiple series or so afkatk (talk) 19:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I just got on an awesome idea on the multiple series thing, instead of having them go down in the column from first ever aired series to the last aired series example:(Not actual dates on the list)
March 10, 1964 - April 3, 1974 - Original series
August 5, 1980 - April 5, 1988 - Second series
We could have them going the opposite way so the new series gets sorted instead, what do you think? I think it would sort out the sorting issue pretty good afkatk (talk) 20:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. As far as the "finished broadcasting date", I do not think that it is a good idea to put the current date in that column. That would clearly imply that the show stopped broadcasting as of today. I think a notation such as "current" or "in production" is better than listing an actual date. If I myself were doing the Chart, I would probably list something like "currently in production" in the column for "ending broadcast date" ... and I would thus probably remove that last column altogether (the "In Production: Yes/No" column). As far as the multiple series thing, I am not quite following what you mean. I guess I would have to see it or see an example to understand what you are proposing for that situation. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

Here is an example of what I mean (below). I would probably make the Chart look something like this. You can always add in color, if you want, to represent In Production or Not in Production (as the Chart now has red and green shading). These are just fake dates and fake information below ... just to give you an idea. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count
SportsCenter	Sports News	United States	60, 90	–	October 8, 1973	Currently in production	31,195
The Guiding Light	Soap opera	United States	60	57	May 15, 1978	November 27, 1983	15,609
As the World Turns	Soap opera	United States	60, 30	–	February 27, 1967	Currently in production	13,443
General Hospital	Soap opera	United States	60, 45, 35	–	August 2, 1981	May 22, 2004	11,748
Days of our Lives	Soap opera	United States	30, 60	–	December 30, 2002	Currently in production	11,012
One Life to Live	Soap opera	United States	30, 45, 60	–	April 11, 1955	July 19, 1982	10,371

I see what you mean on the Current Day sort of thing, since the "Current" in the Finished Broadcasting column does sort it out I guess I'll just input it into the column, this is what I mean by the idea for the Multiple series problem.

Current:

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count	In Production
Double Dare	Children's game show	United States	23	–	October 6, 1986 2000	February 1993 - Original run 2000 - Revival	547	No

Possibly After:

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count	In Production
Double Dare	Children's game show	United States	23	–	2000 October 6, 1986	2000 - Revival February 1993 - Original run	547	No

I think this could possibly help the sorting problem but there is always the thing of the Start section not sorting out correctly afkatk (talk) 20:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Here's what I believe could be an improvement on your idea (minor tweak on it) afkatk (talk) 20:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count
SportsCenter	Sports News	United States	60, 90	–	October 8, 1973	Currently in production	31,195
The Guiding Light	Soap opera	United States	60	57	May 15, 1978	November 27, 1983	15,609
As the World Turns	Soap opera	United States	60, 30	–	February 27, 1967	Currently in production	13,443
General Hospital	Soap opera	United States	60, 45, 35	–	August 2, 1981	May 22, 2004	11,748
Days of our Lives	Soap opera	United States	30, 60	–	December 30, 2002	Currently in production	11,012
One Life to Live	Soap opera	United States	30, 45, 60	–	April 11, 1955	July 19, 1982	10,371

Any thoughts on the minor tweak? afkatk (talk) 20:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Adding the color is fine. I am not much of a "color" fan. It does not tell you anything beyond what is already in the chart in words. If someone wants to "separate" the in production shows from out of production shows, they can simply sort by that column. The color really does not help or add to that function. I actually find color to be distracting and to take away from the charts. That is just my opinion. Also, I am still thinking about that multiple series issue. I suspect that the way you are proposing will mess up the chart's ability to sort correctly. You can test it out, since I am not 100% sure. But I think that when you have things that "span" columns or rows, it screws up the ability to sort. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

Also, if you really want to keep some color in the Chart, then I would say this. Keep the color for the "Currently in production" entries (as you have in green) ... but do not put any color for the ending dates on non-current shows (as you have in red). Listing the ending dates with color would not really make any sense. But, highlighting (color) the in-production-currently status (green) would make sense. In other words, your color scheme is really trying to have the in-production-shows "stand out" from the rest. I think that is best achieved with one color use (green), not two (green and red). That is just my opinion. Having the red color on the final date does not really make too much sense. What you are really trying to do is to make it known which are still being produced (versus which are not). And, for that, you can use only color and you don't need two. In fact, using just one color (green), will make the in-production shows stand out a lot more ... rather than being mixed in with a distracting/dizzying flurry of green/red boxes alternating. See below. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count
SportsCenter	Sports News	United States	60, 90	–	October 8, 1973	Currently in production	31,195
The Guiding Light	Soap opera	United States	60	57	May 15, 1978	November 27, 1983	15,609
As the World Turns	Soap opera	United States	60, 30	–	February 27, 1967	Currently in production	13,443
General Hospital	Soap opera	United States	60, 45, 35	–	August 2, 1981	May 22, 2004	11,748
Days of our Lives	Soap opera	United States	30, 60	–	December 30, 2002	Currently in production	11,012
One Life to Live	Soap opera	United States	30, 45, 60	–	April 11, 1955	July 19, 1982	10,371

New Section for Chat About List of television programs by episode count

Since the other section was getting kind of confusing, I thought we could chat in here (ignore the Sandbox discussion thing) - User:Afkatk/SandboxP3 This is a little taster of what it should be looking like in the future, Thought? afkatk (talk) 21:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks perfect. Exactly what I had in mind. I think it looks good, this way. Good luck with the project. Keep me posted. Let me know if you have any questions or want any more advice / suggestions / opinions / ideas. Also, let me know when it's done, so that I will remember to take a look. Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

I will be sure to keep you posted, and we still need to discuss what to do on the Multiple series issue at a later date. Plus I am removing most of the "As of..." just because it looks a bit sloppy and looking on it, isn't really that necessary. afkatk (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, for Top of the Pops it looks like this, Thoughts afkatk (talk) 22:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count
Top of the Pops	Music Chart	United Kingdom	30, 60	–	January 1, 1964 30 1964	July 30, 2006 - Weekly run See Page - Specials	2,208

Hi. I have to give this whole idea some more thought. That (above) can be very confusing. Plus, it will not allow sorting. Let me think about this for a day or two. There must be a clean, easy, do-able solution. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

I think I'll put a link in with the "See Page" so it makes it less confusing and this does fit into the Multiple series type issue afkatk (talk) 22:30, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Here is a very quick thought ... or, rather, a question. Is it possible to separate these TV shows into two separate row entries? Or is there some reason why that is not a good idea? I am just thinking out loud. Let me know. Thanks. Example ... one row has all of the information for "The John Smith Show" (or whatever) ... and then an entirely separate entry would be a new row for all of the information for "The John Smith Show - The Revival Series". That seems workable, no? Or am I missing something? In that case, the "old series" and the "new series" are treated like two completely different shows ... (which they sort of are, anyway). And, through sorting the first column (Name of Show), readers can see both series listed one right after the other since (presumably) both will have the same or very similar names. Does this work? Or am I missing something? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:37, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

On the separating the series idea it would be very hard to get an episode tally, the listing as 2 separate series in a row might work, and I'll try and find a code if possible for having like a span for all 2/more columns afkatk (talk) 22:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

How's that? afkatk (talk) 22:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count
Top of the Pops - Weekly	Music Chart	United Kingdom	30, 60	–	January 1, 1964	July 30, 2006	2,208
Top of the Pops - Special	Music Chart	United Kingdom	30, 60	–	30 1964 - Christmas Special + Other Page Listed Specials	Currently in Production

View my Sandbox now and tell me what you think afkatk (talk) 22:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Here is the main problem, as I see it. Whenever you have anything at all that spans either multiple rows or multiple columns, that will screw up the sorting feature. If you go to your Sandbox (the P3 one) ... try sorting the different columns (by clicking that arrow). Play around and experiment with the different columns. You will see what I mean. Because of the fact that some rows/columns have a "span" ... it reduces the Chart to meaningless gibberish when you try to sort the Chart. That is the main problem. As I see it. I think (?) that the only way a sorting will work ... is if there are no spans at all, in either rows or columns. I think? (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

Yes this is a very big problem, I guess I'll drop the rowspan thing. afkatk (talk) 23:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, so give me a day or two to think about this. There must be some solution. I just need to clear my head of it and think about it for a day or two. By the way, approximately how many shows are we talking about ... that involve this "multiple series" issue? A very small few? A whole heck of a lot? That will affect how I try to determine a "solution". Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:23, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

I'd say about 10 shows, I've sorted out Doraeman, and you can see how they will start to look like now afkatk (talk) 23:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that what you did with Doraeman is perfect. The only thing that I would do is add an asterisk (*) in the total episode column ... or maybe just a general note at the beginning or the end of the chart ... that says that the number reflects the TOTAL for all the runs combined. I think this is a good solution. You? (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:35, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

You know what I think I know a good Wikicode that I can fit in which works exactly for this purpose, I'll notify you when I've input an example afkatk (talk) 23:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok view the Sandbox now afkatk (talk) 23:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I did. It seems like you solved that problem! Great! I did notice this, though. When you sort the "Number of Seasons" column ... why do the results not seem correct? The numbers are clearly not sorting in the correct numerical order. Any idea why? I assume that they are entered as numerical digits, and not alphabetic characters. Odd, huh? Any idea what's going on? I am leaving and will check my messages tomorrow. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:59, 8 March 2009 (UTC))

The number of seasons column sorts fine for me, is it possible you could take a screencap for me of your browser window (ctrl+alt+Print Screen(by Scroll Lock and F12) paste it into Paint and save as a Jpeg and upload it to Tinypic (easily Google it) and put a link up for me to view, forgive me giving instructions I just don't know if you know how to do it and thought it would be easier if I just came out and explained it Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 00:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I did not really understand those instructions ... I am not very computer savvy. But, I can read them more closely tomorrow. I am logging off now and I will reply back soon, in a day or 2. But, I just checked the sorting and it still does not work. Rather, I should say ... sometimes, it does work and sometimes it does not. When I click "sort", sometimes it comes out correct ... sometimes, not. It's weird. When it comes out incorrect ... the numbers get sorted something like this: 1, 10, 10, 11, 2, 22, 28, 5, 50, 8, 80, etc. So, it appears that the computer is sorting them as alphabetic characters and not numerical values. It sorts all the "1" values first (1, 10, etc.) ... then the "2" values (2, 20, etc.) ... then the "3" values (3, 30, etc.) ... which of course is not numerical order. Any thoughts? Try sorting it not only once -- but click "sort" several times. You should get the same results as I do. This must be universal for all readers, correct? In other words, it can't just be my computer ... right? Or can it? I shall reply tomorrow. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC))

ok I understand the problem now, and I know a Wikicode which should sort it out fine Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Even though I did not understand your instructions about screen shots and jpeg, etc. ... I just did a new sort. Maybe this info can help you? These are the exact results when I sort the "Seasons" column: 1, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 13, 13, 14, 16, 22, 24, 24, 24, 25, 25, 35, 37, 39, 5, 5, 50, 57, 59, 8, then all the dashes. By the way, what is the problem that you figured out? Why would you need a special Wiki code? Isn't a chart just supposed to arrange numbers in order, without a special Wiki code? Isn't that the whole point? I am confused ?!?!?!? Help! Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC))

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Nearly finished

I just wanted to notify you that the article is nearly finished there's probably only about 50 or so series to get down, I've also added 1 or 2 new series to the list as well as updating a few series' episode count and placement, I just wanted to notify you so that you know basically how it'll look like once it's finished. User:Afkatk/SandboxP3. Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 22:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeh and I figured out why Wikipedia was listing 1, 10, 11, 2, 20, 21..etc. it's because the numerical value is classed on the first letter, so it doesn't list the 1 or the 2 as 01 or 02 just plainly 1 or 2 so it strongly places them at the start, it'd be the same for 1000 to 10 it would list 10 as 10 not 0010 (which in comparison would be its value), and that's what this {{sort|01|1}} code is about. I thought I might as well inform you how it works since you wondering yesterday. Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 22:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to notify you that I have finished the whole article, as to what we talked about. User:Afkatk/SandboxP3. Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 06:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey, looks great! Thanks! I am still a little confused about something, however. We were talking about the sort list ... and you said that numbers are sorted like this (1, 10, 2, 20, etc.) ... unless a special code is put into the Chart. First ... that does not make any sense. Why would a chart not be able to sort numbers in numerical order? That's the whole point of sorting, no? Second ... take a look at this page: List of Best Actor winners by age at win. The numerical numbers there sort correctly ... and there are no special codes used ... they values are just typed in as numerals. Any idea what's the difference? Or why the TV episode list needs a special code to sort numerical values? Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC))

I guess it's programmed weird, I guess they programmed it so some things sort automatically and some things need a code. Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 06:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

On the Article should I go ahead and put it up now or do we need to tweak it? Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 06:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

To me, it looks fine -- thanks! I think you can post it. If I were to be nit-picky, I do not necessarily like the fact that some columns are centered and some are left-aligned, etc. But that is just one of my pet peeves. On a different note ... that show "Top of the Pops" seems very odd. Does that really belong in the list? Is that really an "episode" type of show ... or do they do Christmas specials once a year? That show is confusing. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:46, 10 March 2009 (UTC))

SmackDown

I know WWE is celebrating tonight's episode as the 500th episode, but it will actually be #501. WWE did the same thing with Raw last year. They celebrated an episode in November as the 800th episode, but the real 800th episode was in September. WWE is also calling this years WrestleMania the 25th anniversary of WrestleMania when it is actually the 24th anniversary. In short, WWE doesn't only go by the actual numbers. TJ Spyke 22:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah ok sorry about that, I originally was correcting the date (Because I thought some dude didn't update that) and then decided to add in a reference, anywho no harm done I guess. Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 22:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

TV Episodes

Hi. I have been very busy. So, I was not able to reply back to you quickly. I will do so tomorrow. Thanks for keeping me posted on the TV Episodes article. I will message you tomorrow. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2009 (UTC))

Well I plan to keep you updated weekly because I know you are busy and I'll probably keep the weekly updates going until there isn't much to do which as you can guess will probably be a few months away as there is always new references and new shows which will need to be added, anyway when you are less busy we can discuss whether the Network idea is a good add or just clutter. Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 22:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Raw

Not a bad start. If you don't know the location of an episode, it would be better to put something like "Unknown" rather than guessing. Here is another good source: http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/results/raw/_1993/ . TJ Spyke 15:59, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I meant like "Green Mountain State Arena?". The question mark implies you are guessing because you don't know for sure. TJ Spyke 16:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure it needs the whole card for each episode to be honest. TJ Spyke 18:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Although I still disagree with listing all of the matches rather than just the main event, it looks nice and similar to most "List of ... episodes" articles. TJ Spyke 16:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

If you haven't, I would suggest asking a few more people for their opinions first. TJ Spyke 17:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

List of Raw Episodes

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I separated an informational footnote from the references on the main page. Thanks, Genius101^Guestbook 19:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

List of television programs by episode count

In the spirit of keeping you informed of what's happening with the article, I thought you might be delighted to know that I'm adding some references to the article, and will be working on this for the next few days. Afkatk - The Mind Reader (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks. The article really looks good now. Thanks for all your work. Also, thanks for keeping me posted. I will check the article from time to time, and possibly add some of my own edits as time allows. I have many other projects ahead of that, however. I think it looks great, though. Good work. I am glad that you decided to continue your contributions to this article. Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC))

One observation. At the bottom of the Chart, there is the following note: ^ This number reflects the Total episode count for all of the series. But ... it is unclear as to exactly which Chart entries this note refers to. This note has a little carat symbol (^) ... but that symbol does not show up in the Chart anywhere at all, as far as I can see. You may want to just add a generic note at the top of the chart, or at the bottom, that says something like "when a series has multiple versions, the number reflects the total combined" (or whatever). Or you may just want to clarify the note already in there, its symbol, and which Chart entries it actually refers to. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC))

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List of television programs by episode count

Hi. Getting back to you very quickly. Sorry for the delay. I think the network column is a good idea. My only concern / question would be ... I don't know how they handle the concept of networks in other countries. (A) Do other countries have a lot of different networks, like we do ... or do they usually just have only one network? (B) Are you able to find these networks from the foreign shows? So ... yes ... I think that it's a good idea to add networks in. I just don't know enough about how other foreign countries handle networks, that's all. As far as the 2 charts that you showed me before ... (see below) ... I like the top chart more than the bottom example. What I do not like about the bottom example is that you combined country/network as one column ... and that didn't make sense to me. I like the other example much better. Thanks for staying in touch. Feel free to ask more questions, if need be. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC))

Program Name	Genre	Country of Origin	Original Network	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count
SportsCenter	Sports News	United States	ESPN	60, 90	–	September 7, 1979	Currently in production	31,511
The Guiding Light	Soap opera	United States	CBS	60	57	June 30, 1962	Currently in production	15,631
As the World Turns	Soap opera	United States	CBS	60, 30	–	April 2, 1956	Currently in production	13,478
General Hospital	Soap opera	United States	ABC	60, 45, 35	–	April 1, 1963	Currently in production	11,768
Days of our Lives	Soap opera	United States	NBC	30, 60	–	November 8, 1965	Currently in production	11,042

Program Name	Genre	Original Network	Episode Length (minutes)	Seasons	Started Broadcasting	Finished Broadcasting	Episode Count
SportsCenter	Sports News	ESPN	60, 90	–	September 7, 1979	Currently in production	31,511
The Guiding Light	Soap opera	CBS	60	57	June 30, 1962	Currently in production	15,631
As the World Turns	Soap opera	CBS	60, 30	–	April 2, 1956	Currently in production	13,478
General Hospital	Soap opera	ABC	60, 45, 35	–	April 1, 1963	Currently in production	11,768
Days of our Lives	Soap opera	NBC	30, 60	–	November 8, 1965	Currently in production	11,042

Can a show really have several networks? I assume the Chart refers to shows when they originally run --- not run in syndication. Wouldn't that pretty much always be one network? ... or possibly 2, at most, if a show jumps over (which is rare, I think). I don't think an original show plays on several newtorks ... right? But they do later on, in syndication. At least in the USA. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC))

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I've added a SportsCenter logo to the article to help beef it up a little bit and I was thinking of adding some sort of statistics to the article but I don't really have much of an idea of how to put it though I was thinking something like this.

Table Statistics
Currently in production	XX
Retired series	XX
Total	XX

Afkatk (talk) 12:04, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi. The article is looking good. I think you've done a great job. Adding the logo was a good idea. This statistics table is a good idea, also. If I were going to do anything to that article, I would make some of the columns be center-aligned, instead of left-aligned ... to make the chart appear better and more aesthetic ... easier to read. That would be my priority, if I were working on that article. Thanks. Good work! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC))

Talk Page

I'd be willing to help Archive your Talk Page, anything over 7 days and I'll put it in a Archive for ya. Afkatk (talk) 02:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I finally got around to cleaning up my Talk Page. That had been on my "back burner" for quite a while ... and I simply was never able to get to it. Thanks for the offer of help, though. Much appreciated. As you will now see, my Talk Page has become much more manageable ... and far more "cleaned up". Thanks! (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:07, 19 April 2009 (UTC))

I'd really be willing to help archive it rather than it all being shoved into an old non-used Sandbox. Afkatk (talk) 03:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. Thanks. I really do appreciate the help. But, this is the situation. I never save old Talk Pages. I just respond to the messages and ... when the issue is resolved ... I just delete the messages. I treat my Talk Page like my regular email account. Once I am done with the email, I just delete it. I really don't see any need or reason to hang onto old emails (or old Talk Page conversations). So, that was why I never bothered to "archive" my Talk Pages. On the last Talk Page ... I had gotten behind for a few months there ... so there were a lot of messages that I never was able to reply to ... or never able to resolve (as of yet), etc. That was why the page got so large and so back logged. I still have to go through all of those old messages and delete them, one by one. That was why I placed them in an old unused Sandbox Page. So that when I get the time, I will respond to them and/or resolve whatever issues were there. I didn't place them in the Sandbox Page in order to archive them per se. I will delete them all, one by one. I just need the time. Thanks for your help. Quite frankly, I never understood why anyone would want to save old their old Talk Page messages?!?! I like to "throw stuff away" after I am done with it. Otherwise, for me, too much stuff piles up. Thanks again. By the way, that TV episodes article looks good. Thank you. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC))

Eurovision Tagging

I just wanted to let you know since you play somewhat of a big role in the Eurovision project that I've recently gone around tagging loads of articles previously untagged which I've added to the Project hence the sudden increase from 1887 to 2084, and will be doing so till obviously I can't find anymore to tag, I thought this info might be of some interest to you. Afkatk (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes thanks, I did notice since I have many of them on my watchlist. A few months ago we went through and assessed a large amount of them to bring the assessment rate from 35-55 percent, but the overall goal is still to get them all assessed. It will be much more efficient if we have all pages at least tagged as part of the project so good job. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 17:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou, and I am going to try to get most assessed if not all, I've mostly tagged Artists who've competed but if there are more things to be tagged I'll eventually get around them. Afkatk (talk) 18:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to inquire about tagging Presenters, such as Graham Norton, Terry Wogan and presenters from other countries who are involved, I was wondering if I should go around tagging them as they are technically in the scope of the Eurovision. Afkatk (talk) 09:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh and on a note I will eventually get around to assessing most of the unassessed just saying so you don't think I'll assess and leave them unassessed. Afkatk (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I guess presenters would fall into the project as well. Isn't it easier to assess as you tag? Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually no it isn't, I can go a lot faster by just tagging the Talking Pages rather than taking a glance and then assessing. Afkatk (talk) 21:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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This attempted removal of the Granimal from Wikipedia has been a major discussion with my friend's and I tonight. We feel it's part of a much larger issue. In order to be notable or successful in pro wrestling today you have to be a gymnast. It's all about who can put themselves through the most tables and get hit the hardest in the head by a steel chair. The idiots at the top of the WWE don't know a wristlock from a wrist watch and the Granimal would wipe the mat with their heads. I had the honor of wrestling with Granimal in the independents in CT and he had a little game he played before each show. He'd line up whatever guys were brave (or dumb) enough to take the Granimal challenge. The Granimal challenge was $50 to any guy who could last a minute (60 freakin' seconds) against him without getting submitted. He ran this game at a number of shows and I only know of one guy who won the $50. You need to educate yourself my friend. Granahan is one of the last men alive who has been trained by the last living carnival wrestlers mainly Frankie Cain and Billy Wicks. He's highly respected by Gene Lebell. In case you don't know Gene Lebell's the MFIN' GODFATHER OF GRAPPLING and he lists Granimal's American Combat Association as his top link on his website http://www.genelebell.com/links.html or maybe you're a mark who doesn't want to know who Gene Lebell and Granimal are because reality's a little too hard for you to swallow. Do a little bit of research bro before you start trashing a man that could have you and I for a morning snack before he eats his breakfast and coffee! Respond back in the comments section of the Granimal Deletion article after you've educated yourself a litte more on one of my heros. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yankeemonster (talk • contribs) 03:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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David D'Or

Hi. Tx for your help on this article. You put notations in many places today, including in all the discography -- even though that information is sourced in the article itself with citations. Are you suggesting that the citations be repeated? I haven't seen that as the standard approach in such circumstances. Tx.--Ethelh (talk) 04:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It was originally -99, which I understand is acceptable. Why the reversion?--Epeefleche (talk) 06:59, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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