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Style guide change: first and last champions

Hello. The Style Guide, Championships and accomplishments (WP:PW/CHAMPION) states that "Other notes (such as oldest, youngest, first, last, only, etc.) are only covered in the relevant prose section and are not listed in this section". However, despite I have tried to delete the first or last champions, IPs and users keep including over and over, most recently [1]. I propose to change the style guide, so we can include inaugural and final champions to the C&A. I mean, it's like a lost battle, fighting against the elements. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So we change our guidelines just because some users don't read them?! Why you don't message them? You can request page protection or report them to related boards. If those users want to change MOS, then they should participate in the related discussion. And forget IP-users. Many of them are wrestling fans who view WP as a blog/database for submitting fancruft materials. --Mann Mann (talk) 20:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the change as a harmful. It's a small change. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a big deal for me. In the end, we follow general WP guidelines and WP:PW consensus. So if being the first/last champion is notable or something special and we get a consensus for it, then I'm OK with it. My point is we should not feed IP-users and registered users who always violate basic MOS guidelines. --Mann Mann (talk) 16:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have a problem with the proposal, as long as first and last champions are the only ones noted in the C&A (not youngest, oldest, heaviest, etc.). Being the first/last champion is somewhat noteworthy, but the others border on trivia.

Does anybody know if it was ever customary to note inaugural/final? I can always remember seeing them as long as I have been reading Wikipedia, but it has been against the styles guide as long as I have been editing (nearly 15 years). It seems like one of those things that used to be permissible and users refused to give it up after it fell out of favor.LM2000 (talk) 08:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I feel like the five monkeys experiment. Some users included it into the style guide long time ago and we follow it without asking. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HHH Pedrigree I honestly never really understood why it was against the SG to notate the first and last champion in the C&A section, which is why I never removed it if I saw it on an article. It's a pretty notable thing. JDC808 ♫ 01:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe explicitly allow inaugural and final champions in championship sections in the MOS? I personally think its notable information; if the project isn't opposed and in favor, let's do it. DrewieStewie (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vote: Inclusion of inaugural/final champion in Championships and accomplishments

OK, let's reach a consensus before 2025. Vote: Support, Oppose, or Neutral.

Neutral As I said in my above comment, I'm fine with community consensus. --Mann Mann (talk) 02:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BLP: Julia Hart or Julia Rose Hart

Some IP-user changed Julia Hart's birth date[2] and birth place plus adding "Rose" as her middle name[3] in July 2021. While Hart's birth date is confirmed by herself[4], I couldn't find anything about her middle name and birth place. Can someone verify them? --Mann Mann (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fatal Influence

Does Fallon Henley's championship make her stable Fatal Influence notable to have its own article? --Mann Mann (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability depends on having reliable, secondary sources covering the subject rather than accomplishments. CeltBrowne (talk) 20:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CeltBrowne: Regarding media coverage, is that stable notable? Asking it because they have few televised matches but they appear on every episode of NXT and they are involved in storylines of women's division. Also, I see some IPs are involved, not Fatal Influence but The Fatal Influence. --Mann Mann (talk) 17:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JCW Heavyweight Championship

I think this article, JCW Heavyweight Championship, is in need of big improvements. The table is wrong, the wording and everything. I don't know how to fix this the table however. Is there anybody who could fix that? Lemonademan22 (talk) 12:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lemonademan22: Use your sandbox. Create a table there, then copy-paste your table to the main article. Read Help:Table If you don't know how to create/edit tables. --Mann Mann (talk) 01:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Lemonademan22 (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George Hackenschmidt footage

This old footage of George Hackenschmidt has turned up - https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/search-use-collection/search/F18094/. Does anyone know the copyright status - is it public domain? If so can we get it on Commons? McPhail (talk) 15:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@McPhail: Visit WP:CQ and open a discussion. --Mann Mann (talk) 01:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I learned long ago that they're as useless as tits on a boar hog. I read whatever third-party sources I could find earlier today. So far, we don't precisely know the country of origin. We know the film was shot in the UK, but we don't know if it was produced there. That might be pivotal in determining authorship. It was acknowledged that little is known about the outfit who produced the film. If it was publicly exhibited prior to entering an archive holding, that would be considered publication for the purposes of determining its copyright status. Given its age and evidence of prior publication, it's certainly PD in the U.S. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:54, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, thanks! McPhail (talk) 10:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"As of"

I might be a little late to the party, but is the consensus to put "As of" in wrestler's bios or not? If not, what is the consensus? Lemonademan22 (talk) 18:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's necessary to put "as of" on something like Jey Uso. That's not the type of obscure article that will get outdated. If it's a relatively unknown person, you could write "as of" in order to future-proof the article but it's not necessary for popular aritcles. And at the very least, it should say "as of 2024", not "as of 2010". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. I think it still could be necessary, it's not exactly wrong, I don't really see the difference between putting "As of 2024" and "As of 2010" or something like that. Lemonademan22 (talk) 19:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't be using "currently", so it's a case of what the best alternative is. McPhail (talk) 21:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, I've removed some of them, so is "As of" the best option or should it just be left to "He/She is signed to"? Lemonademan22 (talk) 22:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Using terms like "current" and "currently" is the violation of MOS per WP:MOS, MOS:CURRENT, and MOS:REALTIME. Using "As of" is the best option. If "As of" does not sound suitable in a specific case, you can use some parameters to change "As of" to "has been". --Mann Mann (talk) 02:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Linda McMahon and Vince McMahon Marriage

Hello people! I just wanna ask if Vince McMahon and Linda McMahon are still married? Because in their infobox they stated that they are separated on september 2024. But in Hollywood Life article, they said that they are still married. So can someone to break this speculation wether it is a true or just a hoax? Royiswariii Talk! 03:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Separation is different from divorce. You’re technically still married while separated; they are confirmed to be separated, according to article sources. While they are separated, they have not initiated divorce proceedings. DrewieStewie (talk) 04:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022) results table

Hey everybody. Can somebody please fix the results table in the article Thanksgiving Eve Dynamite (2022)? I have no idea what is the issue with it, the formatting is seemingly correct yet it is not showing and is just showing text. Can somebody fix it for me? That would be a big help, thank you. Lemonademan22 (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. There was a missing bracket. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate it. Lemonademan22 (talk) 15:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I must have been staring at it for 20+ minutes trying to figure out what was wrong and couldn't see the missing bracket.

On the other hand, I did notice one particular link that wasn't quite right... :D — Czello ^(music) 15:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it was a "live sex celebration", lol. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my goodness, I can't believe that I thought it was a redirect. Got a really good laugh out of me though. Lemonademan22 (talk) 19:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

😂 — Czello ^(music) 20:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]