The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93talk 00:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
... that Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems? Source: ref: One of the most powerful tracks is "No. 1," featuring Nigerian R&B star Tems. Tyla even pushed back the deadline to turn in the album so she could lock in the collab.
Reviewed:
Created by Dxneo (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
dxneo, having it in the article would fix the first issue. I've also been able to confirm the CC-BY license with this archive, so the second part isn't an issue. Once the image is in the article, we're good to go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
(An aside - Apparently the license doesn't show up when I'm logged in and using Premium, but it does when logged out. Good to know). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Chris Woodrich Done, and I can see the license either logged in or not. dxneo (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Awesome. Good to go now! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Note: I unpromoted this hook because I realised it breached WP:DYKIMG ("Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article"; as such, it should be run without the image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
@Dxneo:: Noting that I've tweaked the nomination to remove "(pictured)". Hey man im josh (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
@Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention." So how do we go about this, are we supposed to introduce them on DYK? I'm so confused. Any suggestions on how the hook can be improved? dxneo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
I agree with Dxneo. Even without following recent music, I was able to tell that it was "that musician delayed album to allow collaboration with musician." We could contextualize it by including "South African singer" for Tyla and "Nigerian singer" for Tems, but that introduces repetition and doesn't seem to qualify Tyla sufficiently given her Grammy win and charting. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, yes you are right. However, these are two well established artists. Tyla peaked in top 10 in over 25 countries and was also certified higher than Gold in over 10 countries. On the other hand, Tems pretty much did the same thing and even more since she has been in the game longer than Tyla. We may say "South African singer Tyla…" as there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that South African singer Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems?
If the Grammy Award wasn't enough to validate her notability, I hope the BETs got the job done. I mean, how long are we gonna discuss this DYK. dxneo (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The issue was never notability, it was interest and understandability. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, is the issue now addressed or…? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
I've been away from DYK for a while, so just to confirm - is it still kosher for me to reinstate the tick for ALT1? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Just to be on the safe side it might be better for a different editor to make the final decision, just for objectivity's sake. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed to decide on whether the proposed hook is interesting, and supply the appropriate icon. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:21, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT1 is interesting in my opinion. I do think that it should either contain both "South African" and "Nigerian" or neither of them, but I'll let a promoter make a decision as to which.--Launchballer 18:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Launchballer, I included "South African" because there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. "Nigerian singer" will still do I guess. dxneo (talk) 21:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Done, and I can see the license either logged in or not. dxneo (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Awesome. Good to go now! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
@Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
