Template:Did you know nominations/Johanna Geisler
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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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Johanna Geisler
... that Johanna Geisler sang Marietta in the premiere of Die tote Stadt which was then banned during the Third Reich by the Nazis because its composer was Jewish? (163 char.)Source: The Listener's Club: "Korngold was 23 years old when Die tote Stadt premiered simultaneously in Hamburg and Cologne (conducted by Otto Klemperer) on December 4, 1920. The opera remained popular with audiences until it was banned by the Nazis as part of the Third Reich’s efforts to purge music by Jewish composers."- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/United Ukrainian Ballet Company
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The article needs perhaps one or two finishing touches, so I am grabbing the date. Hook ALT0 is to be a placeholder, pending a better one. Please do not review ALT0 yet, Please do not review this nomination yet, to allow it to be improved. to give time for the remaining improvements to the article. Thank you for your patience.Update: The hooks and article are now ready for review. Note that the creator of the article Gerda Arendt has elected not to take an active part in his nom, so please ping me, Storye book, re hooks, citations, whatever. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 16:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 18:48, 10 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Johanna Geisler; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Thank you for the nomination, Storye book. Supplying qpq. I wrote the article to fill a red link in the FAC of her famous husband, and found her story just too good to not be told, especially in women's month.
- I believe that a premiere of one opera in two cities (ALT2) is unique while the banning of pieces by the Nazis sadly was for many, also happened more than a decade after the performance, when the two people had already left the country. Marietta's song is rather popular as a stand-alone piece in recitals, and the story of the opera (title translating as The Dead City, meaning Brugge where it plays) is unusual: a man whose wife died meets a woman who resembles the dead and falls in love with her, but she has problems with being loved not for being her (rather wild) self but his memory of another.
ALT1: ... that soprano Johanna Geisler appeared as Marietta in the 1920 world premiere of Erich Korngold's Die tote Stadt conducted by her husband Otto Klemperer? (156 char. incl. ellipsis. Same source as ALT0)ALT2: ... that Johanna Geisler and her husband Otto Klemperer performed in the world premiere of Erich Korngold's Die tote Stadt in 1920 in Cologne, while a simultaneous premiere took place in Hamburg? (195 char. Same source as ALT0)ALT0a: ... that in 1920, soprano Johanna Geisler appeared in Cologne as Marietta in the world premiere of Die tote Stadt by the Jewish composer Erich Korngold, conducted by her Jewish-born husband Otto Klemperer?(205 char. Same source as ALT0)
- I think the imminent danger is obvious without explicitly stating that works by Jewish people would be banned, which many readers will know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
ALT0b: ... that in 1920, soprano Johanna Geisler appeared in Cologne as Marietta in the world premiere of Die tote Stadt by Jewish composer Erich Korngold?(Shortened to fit DYK guidelines. 148 char. Same source as ALT0 ) Storye book (talk) 10:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
- Update: The hooks and article are now ready for review. Note that the creator of the article Gerda Arendt has elected not to take an active part in his nom, so please ping me, Storye book, re hooks, citations, whatever. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 16:27, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
A very interesting article here, with a QPQ done. As the sources are either in a foreign language or offline I will assume good faith in the sourcing. A QPQ has also been done. Among the hooks proposed, I'm most partial to ALT1 and ALT2 (with a slight preference to ALT2); however, my concern is that ALT2 seems to be less about Geisler but more about Die tote Stadt. If we have to go with that angle, since I think it's more intriguing to a non-specialist audience that there was a simultaneous premiere of the opera, what I'd suggest here is some variant of ALT2 which focuses more on Stadt be proposed; maybe even try to bring it to GA status so that it can be a double hook. Something like "that Die tote Stadt had simultaneous premieres, one with Johanna..." or something like that. But if that fails, then ALT1 is a decent alternative (I am usually not a fan of "X played Y in Z" hooks, but I think the fact that she appeared in a premiere conducted by her husband adds intriguingness in this case). Though perhaps in the case of ALT1, I'd suggest dropping the mention of Marietta and just focus on the "she appeared in a world premiere conducted by her husband" aspect. All other hook options are struck. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
- ALT1a: ... that soprano Johanna Geisler appeared in the 1920 world premiere of Erich Korngold's Die tote Stadt conducted by her husband Otto Klemperer?
- ALT2a: ... that in Cologne and Hamburg in 1920, Erich Korngold's Die tote Stadt had simultaneous premieres, one with Johanna Geisler and her husband Otto Klemperer? Storye book (talk) 10:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! Those are fine. I'm approving both hooks: I do have a slight preference for ALT2a per my previous comments, but I will leave the choice to the promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:27, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note to promoter: Please would you kindly consider this nomination for Women's History Month (March)? Storye book (talk) 12:47, 12 March 2023 (UTC)