Talk:Yevgeny Prigozhin/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Update request. Wikipietime (talk) 17:24, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Federal indictment settles notability issue

With his Russian economic standing and now his US federal indictment, the man easily clears notability requirements, notability tag removed TMLutas (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

No picture

Why does this article not include a picture? Many exist. I would do this myself but I am unfamiliar with how to load images onto Wikipedia --1.159.83.152 (talk) 04:53, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I can see one in the article now. 69.165.220.12 (talk) 17:57, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2023

(Prigozhin has been linked to several *jets* since including two Cessna 182, Embraer Legacy 600, British Aerospace 125 and Hawker 800XP.)

Change *jets* to "aircraft" or another suitable word. A Cessna 182 is not a jet. Napoleon Vanderbilt (talk) 13:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

References

 Done Lizthegrey (talk) 00:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

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Resolved

Somebody authorized should change "where practically" to "were practically." Gregory Cherlin (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Seems this has been resolved. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2023 (2)

Resolved

Grammar - "Where practically" needs to be changed to "were practically". 2A00:23EE:1400:956A:5D47:8D50:5341:BB78 (talk) 11:12, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Seems this has been resolved. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

TRMS

Rachel Maddow covered the Internet Research Agency on 6 September 2017. In the YouTube excerpt, she mentioned the IRA lead as a close tie of Putin's, without being brave/confident enough to put forward his name (at least, not that I noticed).

The transcript might show up here at some point: The Rachel Maddow Show Transcripts — MaxEnt 15:27, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Concord Management

I removed the section about Concord Management because the first paragraph did not have a Reliable source. The second paragraph had a source, but that website said nothing about Concord Management. Thanks! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:55, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Sources

A number of sources used in the current version of the article do not meet WP:RS. In particular, they are Crime Russia, fbk.info and uawire. Using the Daily Mail is not ideal, either.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 22:51, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

FBK is an NGO. If you want to remove anything sourced to it, I would not complain. The Daily Mail has an interesting point of view, but it is a WP:Reliable source. If an article in the Mail is signed, however, it would be better to cite the person who wrote it instead of simply pinning it on the Mail. Also, be sure that anything from the Mail provides news and not opinion. Thanks to all. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I removed the tag. We should continue to find better sources. Some questionable points are marked within the text. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:30, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

UAWire cites other sources (Fontanka, Spark Interfax, RBC, and the company’s official website) and therefore is not itself a WP:Reliable source. We should cite those news outlets from which UAwire got its info. Also, quoting U.S. government sources is WP:Original research, wouldn't you say? Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

FBI offering reward of up to $250,000

Is it worth while mentioning that the FBI not only wants him, but is offering a reward of up to $250,000?

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/yevgeniy-viktorovich-prigozhin/yevgeniy-vicktorovich-prigozhin3.pdf/view

. RenniePet (talk) 03:32, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Once a convict in the former Soviet Union

This is vague as to what jurisdiction he was a convict in: the USSR, the RF, or some other post-Soviet state? Just "Soviet Union" would be clearer. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 16:46, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Done Smeagol 17 (talk) 22:47, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Unclear Wording

Final para in the Involvement in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine section: "On 13 November 2022, Wagner released a video depicting a captured deserter from the group who defected to the Ukrainian side being executed via a sledgehammer blow to the skull." The wording is very unclear as to who executed the deserter, and could lead one to misunderstand that he was executed by the Ukrainians after he deserted. The source also does not call him a defector, the key difference being that a defector agrees to serve/fight for the opposing side, which there is no evidence of him doing. Also, the source given does not say he was struck in the skull, only that he was attacked with a sledgehammer. While I do not doubt the veracity of the attack's depiction in article, the article should match the source.

I suggest changing the wording to: On 13 Nov 22, Wagner released a video depicting Wagner Group mercenaries using a sledgehammer to execute a deserter, he had earlier been returned to the Russians in a prisoner exchange.

--2607:FEA8:E9A6:A400:2DF5:35A0:963D:5CA1 (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 12:11, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2023

Change "...and that his forces where practically in an active state of mutiny." to "...and that his forces were practically in an active state of mutiny." in Wagner Group -> Involvement in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine -> Complaints and conflicts -> last paragraph, first sentence Furzellewen (talk) 09:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done Already done. Iseult ^Δx parlez moi 15:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Section name - better than 'June 2023'

If someone can think of a better section name than 'June 2023', then please go ahead and edit! The problem is that we don't yet "know" (per WP:RS) what it "is" except for Prigozhin making a lot of social media noise and being charged with rebellion under Russian criminal law. Boud (talk) 22:16, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Suggested addition of ‘Current person’ template

Given the events of 24 June 2023, in addition to edit protection the current person template (or other current template) could be beneficial to readers while the situation is difficult to verify. Doorstotheorangery (talk) 12:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 24 June 2023

To the subheading June 2023 Mutiny:

June 2023 rebellion

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====June 2023 Mutiny====

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====June 2023 rebellion====

The page "Wagner Group mutiny" was moved to "Wagner Group rebellion" as "rebellion" was more fitting. ---Sincerely, Key of G Minor. ^Tools: (talk, contribs) 15:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

@Key of G Minor: please use the edit request template in the future (for this page, use the extended confirmed version). That said,  Done. Iseult ^Δx parlez moi 15:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2023 (2)

Because it reveals what likely triggered Prigozhin's actions in June, I suggest adding the following sentence (and citation) to the beginning of this article subsection: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Yevgeny_Prigozhin#June_2023_rebellion

Earlier in June, Prigozhin defied orders to sign a contract placing his troops under Defence Ministry command. Nick Nitpicker (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done Cherrell410 (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2023 (3)

Prigozhen did not declare a rebellion at any time. Western media is being cited for this information, and news agencies like CNN have sensationalized the incident with the wagner group. We simply do not have enough information yet to record this in the Wikipedia history books as fact. The individuals modifying this information should be restricted from editing on account of these overzealous edits. 170.199.153.172 (talk) 21:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Not done. Wiki follows the RS's. HammerFilmFan (talk) 11:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: No. Wikipedia is based on reporting in reliable sources, not the analysis, opinions, and WP:OR of its editors. Actualcpscm (talk) 08:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 June 2023

Change "However, his career in sport was ultimately unsuccessful." to "However, his career in skiing was ultimately unsuccessful." DelayedSunflower (talk) 03:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cherrell410 (talk) 20:42, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

This is no longer needed. It looks like someone else made a similar change. (The source was the pre-existing source for that line) DelayedSunflower (talk) 03:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

"mercenary chief"

I misread this at first as "mercenary chef" which brought all sorts of strange inferences to mind. Perhaps it could be changed to "mercenary commander". 67.180.143.89 (talk) 13:22, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Error in the article

The article states under the “June 2023” section that “Wagner shot down a Ilyushin Il-22 fighter plane”. This should be changed to “Wagner shot down an Ilyushin Il-22 airborne command post”.

Thank you for reading! ThatQuirkyBall (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

The error seems to be corrected. Thank you for reading! ThatQuirkyBall (talk) 15:43, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 June 2023

Request for a grammar edit. The first sentence "...until he launched an a rebellion in June 2023" probably needs to have its grammar fixed. I recommend removing the word "an" to change the phrase to "...until he launched a rebellion in June 2023." Thanks! 2607:FB91:2C9D:4CA4:6134:AEB1:4CA1:F539 (talk) 11:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Already been fixed. Cherrell410 (talk) 20:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 July 2023

Death, 9th July 2023, Moscow 2A00:23C7:5536:3801:2CFB:1A6C:374B:3F26 (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 💜  melecie  talk - 06:02, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Feud

Shoudn't we add Prigozhin's feud with Igor Girkin and Ramzan Kadyrov DitorWiki (talk) 14:06, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2023

"Received a medal" - There is a typo "Recived" 2604:3D09:A17F:100:8C76:8461:238A:8D37 (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Xan747 (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Ethnic background

I don't think Prigozhin's ethnic background should be included in this article unless it becomes a matter of comment in more than one WP:Reliable source. Thanks to all. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Aha! Just as I thought. 107.77.230.175 (talk) 17:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)JaneDoe

Yes, of course it should not, and especially like this [1]. But the number of sources does not matter. Why it is important? The cited source does not say it. My very best wishes (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Elaborate why ethnic background should not be included on this one specific page.. Ethnic background is part of biography. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 20:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

As appears in the diff, this is not his ethnicity, but of his father. No, this does not automatically belong to the page, especially as framed in this edit. If it was important for something, then might be. In any case, you need consensus for including this. See Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Restoring_deleted_content. Thanks, My very best wishes (talk) 20:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

The cited source clearly states it, "Prigozhin, whose father and stepfather were of Jewish descent, was charged by the US government with trying to influence the 2016 US presidential election, and the Wagner Group is the subject of US and European Union sanctions."

although I can agree with you that the ethnicity of the stepfather could be excluded, the ethnicity of the father should be included. Ethnic background is part of ones biography and it makes no sense to erase it from this one and only this one page.

Can we compromise and rephrase it to be more in line with the rest of wikipedia? Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 20:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is that significant? Is he a Jewish activist? This edit reads like a promotion of International Jewish conspiracy theories. My very best wishes (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

"International Jewish conspiracy"? Sorry I do not know what you're talking about. It is significant because it is the ethnic background of the subject, as it is included in all biographies. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 20:47, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

What "all biographies"? Can you please provide any refs/links? Note that the source you linked to is not his biography. Regardless, you are violating this rule: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Restoring_deleted_content. Please self-revert. My very best wishes (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I am not violating any rules, I have provided proof and source. All persons pages state ethnic background. Please stop deleting information, Thanks. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I am saying that few to none sources provide info you want to be included about the subject of this page. Hence it is undue on the page. You said that ethnic background must always be included to BLP pages. Why do you think so? Can you refer to any WP policy? My very best wishes (talk) 21:03, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I did not say that ethnic background MUST ALWAYS be included, I said it should be included when available, because it is part of biography. Are you biased in this article? Earlier you said "But the number of sources does not matter." and now you say "I am saying that few to none sources provide info you want to be included"? Elaborate.

With the exclusion of "none" since clearly there is a source provided. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 21:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You distort my words. I said "Why it [ethnicity] is important? The cited source does not say it." My very best wishes (talk) 21:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Ethnicity is important because it is the background of the subject. Cited source includes it, 17th paragraph down. "Prigozhin, whose father and stepfather were of Jewish descent, was charged by the US government with trying to influence the 2016 US presidential election, and the Wagner Group is the subject of US and European Union sanctions."

Thanks. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 21:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Of course this is something on his background. I am asking why this particular info on his "background" is important in context of this page - as follows from RS. There is no answer. My very best wishes (talk) 21:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

It is part of his biography, just as nearly all notable people have their ethnic backgrounds (when known) included on their wikipedia articles. Why is this the only one that should have that information excluded? There is no answer. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

You are mistaken when you say: "nearly all notable people have their ethnic backgrounds (when known) included on their wikipedia articles". Where did you get such idea? Yes, such info is included on many pages, but it is not included on many others, even when known. In particular, on this page, I do not think that genetic traits of a well known criminal would be of any significance. My very best wishes (talk) 21:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

"I do not think that" that seems a matter of personal opinion does it not? Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 21:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

No. I am saying there are no RS explaining why this issue/info worth inclusion to the page. If you could provide sources explaining this, it would be a different matter. My very best wishes (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

It is worthy of inclusion because it is factual biographic information. Just like it is included how many children the subject has. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

No, I would argue that personal family information should be included only if it is important for the subject of the page. For example, information about his daughter is indeed important as follows from provided ref [2]. Otherwise, I would remove it. My very best wishes (talk) 22:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Information that he has a daughter is important to the subject of the page because she flew on a private jet? Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 22:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea why you consider this small detail so significant to violate WP:3RR rule during first few edits from your brand new account (are you a new user?), but whatever. I do not care so much. My very best wishes (talk) 01:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

And no, this is not just using his jet. See here, "Lyubov, Polina, and Pavel play various roles in Prigozhin’s business enterprise.". My very best wishes (talk) 02:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

great source and information, perhaps you should add it as well? Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 02:47, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

not one single person has made a case against including ethnic background other than "i dont like it". Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 02:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

That's your opinion about others. My assessment, is you are engaged in dishonest pov-pushing, and you lack methodology to write an article, while there is not enough sources for your claim anyway, and it is the case because this assertion is of no encyclopaedical value. --Beibler (talk) 02:43, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

It is my opinion that it is his ethnic background? Elaborate. You are engaging in dishonest pov-pushing your self. There is definitely enough sources to the claim. What is your reasoning that ethnic background should not be included and is there a compromise we can make?

Thank you for finally replying. Fixingtrolls01 (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

No, there can be no compromise. 72.66.125.46 (talk) 07:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Please, stop povpushing --Jkluvmo (talk) 23:34, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Considering practically every article on wikipedia discusses extended ancestry of living persons, often including origin of great great grandfathers I see no reason to delete the fact that his father was Jewish. The source is better than much of what this article is currently based on. It is particularly relevant in this case considering Wagner is often labelled a "neo-nazi" organization by certain pundits. 2.138.200.92 (talk) 13:25, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not Russian propaganda, you have to follow the recommendations and stop useless povpushing.--Alkse2 (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Please do not removed sourced content. Thanks. 2.138.200.92 (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

What you doing is a violation of the rules of Wikipedia regarding edit warring. Stop violating the rules. --Alkse2 (talk) 00:35, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Delete the povpushing that you passed twenty minutes before the protection of the article in a dishonest fashion. Povpushing is a violation, delete it. --Alkse2 (talk) 09:48, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Jewish Ethnicity

Is Yevgeny Prigozhin jewish?166.48.16.195 (talk) 17:44, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Prigozhin's father and stepfather were of Jewish descent, it is mentioned in the article. Whether or not he is Jewish may depend on who you ask. Going by Jewish religious law, Prizgozhin is not Jewish, since he wasn't born to a Jewish mother nor has he converted to Judaism. Mooonswimmer 00:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

This is WP:UNDUE and irrelevant to his notability, whether true or not. Volunteer Marek 19:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Intresting that there is such a different attitude between this article and, say, Vladislav Surkov one... Smeagol 17 (talk) 09:12, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

It’s relevant and interesting to note given that the Wagner group’s Wiki entry states that it is linked to far-right extremists and neo-Nazis. It should be included. 2601:40F:680:7880:9DCE:B02:8EE4:8404 (talk) 16:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Because like someone noted above, your basement dweller interest in being honest and transparent DOES NOT supersede protecting Jews. Do you have ANY idea just how dangerous it is for Jews in the world right now? ANY? And do you know how people will take this to mean that Jews are playing both sides of the Russian invasion? That we're war profiteers once again? Does the world really need more fuel for antisemitism? You get your worthless little ego boost. Is it worth risking Jews encountering more antisemitism? More kids getting beat up in the streets? I'm not compromising on this. I will stay on Wikipedia 24/7 to make sure your dumb little engagement doesn't go through. You want to say Prigozhin is a Jew? Tough luck. I'm not letting it happen. When gentiles act in this blithe, careless way, it makes my blood boil. You gave me enough reason and motivation to set up shop here for a while. And believe me, I will not hesitate to go to the admins and the mods to get your ass 86'd. Cherish these posts, basement gremlin. I hope they give you a sense of self-worth that you will never have. You might just be an antisemite yourself. You either know about these problems or you don't f'ing care. That's why you want to insist on putting "Jewish" on here. It's the same pathology that makes people exhibitionists. You're an antisemite-exhibitionist. I am done with people like you. Whatever the cost, I'm getting this page locked. Yevgeny Prigozhin is not Jewish as far as the internet is concerned. We're not going to let this happen; we're not gonna let you win. And I advise you to pick your battles wisely. 2602:FF62:1:1:0:0:0:18A7 (talk) 19:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, are you perchance a Navy Seal? Smeagol 17 (talk) 20:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

WOW. This really reads like the Navy Seal copypasta. I advise you to go outside and touch some grass, and maybe chill the hell down with the snow.

You really overestimate how much people care about Prigozhin especially in America. There are more than enough Jewish assholes out there to serve as an excuse for an antisemite to beat up someone. As a matter of fact, it does not even need to be factual (see Protocols of the Elders of Zion for one)

Once again, calm down with the stimulants. Synotia (moan) 14:23, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

His father and stepfather are Jewish, according to the Times of Israel, though somebody removed it from the article with the ref still there. I won't put it back since there are more interesting things to editwar about than Prigozhin's Jewishness.

Prigozhin is a surname mostly worn by Jews. (I'm so sorry for you, Ilya) Also confirmed by folks with this surname tending to have patronymics like Abramovich, Markovich, etc. Ruwiki straight up says it's a Jewish surname – although it simply comes from the Russian word пригожий. Synotia (moan) 14:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I've changed it back every time you antisemitic smart-alecks change it. I don't plan on stopping. You're not going to win with your agenda. I will not LET YOU win. 2401:F540:7:2006:0:0:0:9B7B (talk) 02:26, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm of Jewish origin myself you schmuck. Go enlist in the IDF if you're so determined, tough guy. Synotia (moan) 10:04, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

The claim that "His father and stepfather were of Jewish descent" seems to be a case of circular reporting. The Times of Israel's source is no other than this Wikipedia article itself at the time as you can see here : https://www.timesofisrael.com/beyond-ukraine-wagner-group-mercenaries-are-putins-coercive-tool-in-africa-too/ (the other linked Times of Israel article was published one week later reusing the same wording). The original wikipedia source added Special:Permalink/968536208 to back up this claim was this russian page http://www.compromat.ru/page_33163.htm on which I can't find the claim with google translation, and which seems to be an unreliable source anyway (see Talk:Anna_Politkovskaya/Archive_2#To_Vlad_fedorov.

Therefore someone should remove this claim until there is an actual (non circular) source for it. Ketchupsource (talk) 18:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The only mention of Wikipeida in the ToI article seems to be credit for the emblem image Synotia (moan) 19:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

The first word of "Prigozhim, whose father and stepfather were of Jewish descent" in this article https://www.timesofisrael.com/beyond-ukraine-wagner-group-mercenaries-are-putins-coercive-tool-in-africa-too/ is a direct link to this wikipedia article Early Life section. The article on the same site currently linked as a source in the wikipedia article https://www.timesofisrael.com/mercenary-linked-putin-ally-lashes-dying-out-western-civilization/ was written a week later by the same authors and reusing the exact same sentence "Prigozhin, whose father and stepfather were of Jewish descent". Both articles are posterior to the wikipedia article claim (which was then unsourced) and are using again the same wording that originates from the wikipedia article. There is no source before the unsourced wikipedia article version linked on ToI. This is a clear case of circular reporting. Ketchupsource (talk) 19:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Error re: sentensing

The info box is slightly wrong, the sources given are medusa, but another source (the 'full translation of...' one ) is also medusa correcting it's previous claim that he was involving teens in prostitution, it was involving in burglary. Also his sentence was 13 years, not 12.

I don't know how to do the referencey thing so can't fix 213.31.219.92 (talk) 19:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

False statements on battle of Khasham

The article claimed that PMC Wagner "attacked US forces and suffered dozens of casualties". This is flatly contradicted by the linked article Battle of Khasham. There was no armed confrontation between the US and PMC Wagner. Its little more than an urban legend which for some reason someone has included in this article. 2.138.200.92 (talk) 12:12, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I see there is an editor who is persistently including a false sentence that Wagner attacked US forces and suffered dozens of casualties in the Battle of Khasham. Refusal to engage here and continuing to include this false statement in the article is disruptive editing. 2.138.200.92 (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

The page is protected

Should have happened long ago, what the hell is that edit history. Synotia (moan) 10:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome. Smeagol 17 (talk) 18:21, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello the povpushing is still in the article. Suddenly an IP comes to make a last povpushing. --Alkse2 (talk) 17:18, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

As I said, if your IP friends don't look at what they revert, it is their (and your?) problem, not ours. Smeagol 17 (talk) 09:13, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Potential organizer of a putsch against Putin

In the newsweek article, the possibility of him arranging a putsch is described in great detail, i feel like this should be mentioned.

https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-boss-may-seek-replace-putin-coup-attempt-political-analyst-1783110 StrongALPHA (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

A possibility that someone can organize a coup? Smeagol 17 (talk) 17:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I get the sarcasm of your comment, but the point here is that he would betray Putin. StrongALPHA (talk) 17:47, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@StrongALPHA: IMVHO WP:CRYSTAL applies here, resulting with nope. --CiaPan (talk) 12:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Death rumors

I’m hearing on social media that his plane crashed and he’s among the dead. Any reputable sources? [3]https://x.com/bnonews/status/1694395180365775245?s=46&t=w--g3vBTVqlOqfreZuTGdQ 2601:3CB:100:84C0:98E8:F503:9352:32FE (talk) 17:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

His plane crashing seems to be more or less confirmed. However we do not yet know if he died or not. 10 people seem to have died according to tass (which to be fair isn’t a very reliable source) 188.150.162.83 (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

was just wondering about this myself. has Prigozhin died or not? It's on the news now too. Serafinowicz (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

according to RIA Novosti all 10 passengers died. If Prigozhin was on the plane it seems likely he died. 188.150.162.83 (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Now confirmed dead by the Kremlin. R3SPACE7 (talk) 04:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

He's dead, BBC confirmed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-665997332A00:23C6:1403:B801:155C:6C9F:5F04:50CF (talk) 17:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

He was "believed to be" on the plane, no one knows for sure yet. 145.53.180.223 (talk) 17:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Telegram indicates that there were two planes and that the plane suspected to be carrying Prigozhin recently landed in Moscow on a flight from St. Petersburg 2600:6C64:78F0:8000:A4FF:CE02:1096:D99F (talk) 18:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Let's hope that he's alive - such a valuable and intresting person! It'd be a shame if this Wiki article ends today. GreatLeader1945 (talk) 18:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

please stay with the improvement of article. your personal opnion is not really important. @GreatLeader1945 ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 18:24, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Modern primat That's according to you. I'm sure that it's very important to the other Wikipedians. Cheers! GreatLeader1945 (talk) 18:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@GreatLeader1945 ""This page is not a forum for general discussion about Yevgeny Prigozhin."" this is in top of the talk page, come on...... ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 02:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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This man is dead as stated by the bbc 86.28.172.52 (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 17:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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He died https://news.sky.com/story/ten-killed-in-private-jet-crash-north-of-moscow-wagner-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-on-passenger-list-12946006 144.51.12.131 (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

This should be added in it just happened Sunnyediting99 (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 17:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Dead

Killed in plane crash today according to Russian Civil Aviation Authority 2603:7000:9C00:6581:60E4:5994:9341:9F2D (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Logically does not make sense whatsoever, he was in Africa yesterday, in a wagner hotspot, do you have sources in RUSSIAN? Vatily.varistokovko (talk) 17:22, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Not quite. He released a video of himself in Africa yesterday. Doesn’t mean he was there yesterday. Volunteer Marek 17:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

• The BBC source used to cite his death says his plane was shot down by Russian air defense, not that it was just a crash. 331dot (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

His second plane just landed in Moscow, its possible that Prigozhin is on that plane. 2600:6C64:78F0:8000:A4FF:CE02:1096:D99F (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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add to that he died in tver region/oblast which is north of moscow St1vaida (talk) 17:28, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

sky news have said that just wanna say St1vaida (talk) 17:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The article is being updated with the latest news about the crash. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 17:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing about death

According to the FT, it seems like Russian officials have reported that a plane crashed, and that Prigozhin's name was on the passenger list, but they have not confirmed whether Progozhin was on the flight. BBC News and Sky News also both say he was "believed" to have been on the flight, so there doesn't seem to be official confirmation of his death yet. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 17:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The BBC reports that social media claims that the plane was shot down. 331dot (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

No sources have confirmed his death, only saying he was listed as a passenger on the plane and that there were no survivors. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Any official confirmation/denial regarding Utkin also being on the plane? Volunteer Marek 17:33, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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Death is not confirmed, remove until it is RomantiusAegypt (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

everyone there is no way to confirm his death, this is probably some PR move by Putin and Prigozin just like the fake wagner coup Akb0y47 (talk) 17:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: that's what reliable sources say. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 17:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

No reliable source has confirmed his death, it is only "believed" that he was on the plane. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 18:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

WSJ: Plane Carrying Wagner Owner Prigozhin Crashes in Russia, All Aboard Killed

FT: Yevgeny Prigozhin in fatal plane crash, Russian officials say K. Oblique 18:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Both the articles you provided require a subscription to read. Other news sites haven't confirmed his death yet. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Maksiwood 2: Have you tried internet archive? IT tends to let you get around paywalls. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 18:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

That’s not a reason to ignore them. Sometimes, we even cite books. In any case, the headlines alone are sufficient here. And there will always be news sources that don’t write about something. K. Oblique 18:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Reading the part of the WSJ article that you can see, it seems like they they had the "He was on the passanger list" thing and just ran with a clickbait headline to get people to pay. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 18:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I managed to get past the FT paywall using Internet Archive (Thaks @Blaze Wolf)

Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20230823172612/https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

"A plane said to be carrying notorious warlord Yevgeny Prigozhin, whose Wagner group launched a failed coup against president Vladimir Putin in June, has crashed on a flight from Moscow to St Petersburg, according to Russian officials.

All 10 people on the plane, including three crew members, died in the crash, Russia’s emergency ministry said, according to state newswire RIA Novosti.

Russian officials said a man with Prigozhin’s name was among the passengers, without elaborating further."

So they haven't confirmed it either. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 18:21, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I use internet archive if I wanna look at a new york times articles or something similar. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 18:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Add the place of his death

The plane crashed in Kuzhnekino apparently Deus vult fratres! (talk) 17:49, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Hes not *yet* confirmed dead, and besides, there were not one but two planes. According to some informations, the one on which he was on board landed in Petersbug. GreatLeader1945 (talk) 18:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

It landed in Moscow,it came from St Petersburg. 2600:6C64:78F0:8000:A4FF:CE02:1096:D99F (talk) 18:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Genuinely interested, where did you find the info that there were two planes? Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The BBC has claimed that there was a second plane earlier:

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-66599774 Maksiwood 2 (talk) 19:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Chaotic Enby (talk) 19:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Status

Is there a standard on WP for this kind of situation where someone's death is presumed but not confirmed beyond doubt? The only one I can think of is the disappeared status which was used during the Titan submersible incident but I'm not sure what is most appropriate here. U-dble (talk) 18:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Usually, we fight about it until everyone stops caring. K. Oblique 18:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

He is alive. Media hit job. Smartmarty123 (talk) 18:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Source? 331dot (talk) 18:38, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I just said it was a media hitjob and your asking for a source Smartmarty123 (talk) 18:43, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Source? Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Co co co cope about it Smartmarty123 (talk) 18:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay so, genuinely asking: which media were "on" the hitjob? How did you get the info? Is there anyone reporting the "other side"/claiming that Prigozhin is still alive? Chaotic Enby (talk) 19:03, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

In your defense you'd be mad to believe me. He's still heading to Leningrad or downed at Moscow. At the moment, the situation remains the same: there is still no confirmation by Wagner about the death of Prigozhin. Media have falsely claimed his plane crashed, and he promptly died. Planes don't just crash in the sky. Surfaced videos of the downed plane only show few corpse.

Two planes took off from Moscow both belonging to him aswell, the one that has crashed, and one that followed behind but returned due to the crash. Smartmarty123 (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

https://ibb.co/X7HgRW2 Oh? Was I right? Smartmarty123 (talk) 19:22, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't asking if you were right or wrong, I was asking for a source for your claim (which a mere picture is not, as it could have been taken days or weeks ago). Chaotic Enby (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

A reverse image search reveals that this image is older that 10 minutes. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 19:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I got hacked Smartmarty123 (talk) 19:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

If you were really hacked, I suggest looking at Wikipedia:Compromised accounts#After being compromised and m:Help:Compromised account to see what to do regarding your account's security. Chaotic Enby (talk) 20:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

"Media have falsely claimed his plane crashed, and he promptly died."

Not just the media, but the Russian Aviation Authority released a statement saying that he was on the passanger list of the crashed plane. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 19:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Being on a list ≠ being dead. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

We're not talking about if he is dead or not. The argument is "Is this a media hitjob" or not. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 19:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Plus, The Grey Zone just posted that Prigozhin is dead. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 19:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The Grey Zone?

If you mean this then I wouldn't trust it. Smartmarty123 (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

No, this: https://t.me/s/grey_zone Maksiwood 2 (talk) 19:48, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I see. So has the Wagner channel, but the Wagner channel seems to bottomfeed from the Grey Zone which seem to be bottomfeeders theirself.

Oh well. We'll just have to wait for a real statement I guess. Smartmarty123 (talk) 19:52, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

That would be the best option. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 19:53, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, we can't put "Smartmarty123 says Prigozhin is alive and everyone else is lying". It has to be verifiable somewhere. 331dot (talk) 18:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother with obvious trolls if I were you, 331dot. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 19:05, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

• The Michael Medved Show (AM radio) said that there were reports that he could be using a body double. Didn't say who claimed that, though.

Something about this is in a June report at Hindustan Times. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Schrödinger's Prighozhik.

Really guys, just be patient and wait for more news. Synotia (moan) 19:56, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more. Just a lot of smoke and mirrors and presumptions currently. kencf0618 (talk) 23:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

• Keir Giles, a Russia expert with international affairs think-tank Chatham House, urged caution about reports of Prigozhin’s death. He said “multiple individuals have changed their name to Yevgeniy Prigozhin, as part of his efforts to obfuscate his travels. Let’s not be surprised if he pops up shortly in a new video from Africa,” Giles said. Associated Press. -- GreenC 20:07, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

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As a close official with the US Military, I can now confirm that he has died. 2601:47:4300:B120:8C53:1F1C:8F80:8FDF (talk) 19:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by "As a close official with the US Military"

Are you in the military or are you close with someone in the military? Maksiwood 2 (talk) 20:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Well I have taking an oath to never reveal how I get information but I can confirm he is dead 2601:47:4300:B120:8C53:1F1C:8F80:8FDF (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

yes, and I can say I have close ties to the Russian Government, that doesn't make it any more true than you, does it? Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

We’re gonna need more proof than my dad works at Nintendo. Swyix (talk) 20:02, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Death at 1:30 P.M. EST 2601:47:4300:B120:8C53:1F1C:8F80:8FDF (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

You gotta give a source or we can’t use it Swyix (talk) 20:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a publisher of original research. You will have to get your story published by multiple major news sources before it lives up to WIkipedia's standards. Dieknon (talk) 20:06, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Confirmed dead

The main telegram channel for the wagnner group has confirmed that prigozhin is dead https://t.me/grey_zone/20178 TheHaloVeteran2 (talk) 20:10, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

...and directly accused Russian authorities of the act.

Still, we need to wait for reliable sources reporting on the death. BBC, CNN, etc., usually require a much higher threshold of evidence than social media. — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

As a close official with the US Military, I can now confirm that he has died. 2601:47:4300:B120:8C53:1F1C:8F80:8FDF (talk) 20:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

No you can’t confirm that as that’s not your job. We wait for credible media sources here at Wikipedia. Swyix (talk) 20:19, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I work with the military and our spies in Russia are confirming that one of the bodies is in fact his. 2601:47:4300:B120:8C53:1F1C:8F80:8FDF (talk) 20:22, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, Rossaviatsya has apparently confirmed this.[4] — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

No, they have just published the list of the people on board.

https://t.me/s/favt_ru Maksiwood 2 (talk) 20:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate your initiative, but one wonders how such classified info ends up within minutes on the desk of someone sitting in front of Wikipedia and having nothing else to do than sharing it with the world. I'd believe that such information is handled differently. — kashmīrī ^TALK 20:30, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

If you really worked with the military I doubt that you'd be talking about "your spies" openly like this. Chaotic Enby (talk) 20:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. Probably they'd say something like "Don't feed the trolls". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:51, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Chaotic Enby 100% correct... maintaining some semblance of integrity here is just as important as 'getting the word out'... as someone who was in fact previously in the military, and has a son currently in a marine corps intelligence battalion, I would agree with your statement above wholeheartedly Toastt21 (talk) 00:12, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@2601:47:4300:B120:8C53:1F1C:8F80:8FDF Our "Spies" in Russia, I'm just now realising that if you are acturally working with the Military, you would never reveal this, and if you are a close official, where is your proof? Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

He's just trolling dude. R3SPACE7 (talk) 04:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

They already removed the "presumed dead" in the "died" section, but forgot to remove the "presumed dead" at the beginning of the article. Someone who can edit should do that 193.37.192.149 (talk) 23:15, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I think some are so anxious to declare him dead for whatever reason they loose their head a bit. There is still uncertainty. The NYT says Russian authorities have not confirmed his death.[5] The Times further states "Conspiracy theories and misinformation flowed across the internet on Wednesday about the founder of the Wagner mercenary group, Yevgeny V. Prigozhin" and that the Times was unable to verify any of it. -- GreenC 22:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

He is confirmed dead by every contact I have for every army which works with the Russian arm forces. Mathsquare (talk) 03:16, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

According to CNN he is now confirmed dead. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/23/europe/russia-wagner-prigozhin-plane-crash-intl/index.html DrKilleMoff (talk) 08:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

No. That's just sloppy wording - a clickbait title - by CNN, which later clarifies that it has no more info than any other source: Among those on the plane were ... and ..., according to list of passengers shared by the Russian aviation agency. Boud (talk) 08:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC) "Clickbait headlines often add an element of dishonesty, using enticements that do not accurately reflect the content being delivered., per clickbait in Wikipedia. Boud (talk) 08:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

BBC now providing confirmation [6] OGBC1992 (talk) 10:53, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Update to the front page?

Certainly this should be updated to the front page as Prigozhin was a very notable person and the circumstances of his death add to it all the more: even his mutiny a couple of months ago was on the front page. --Carius (talk) 20:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

That is being worked on, but it hasn't been confirmed that he has died. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 20:49, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Carius, if you're interested, those discussions take place at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. That particular discussion is currently at the top. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:54, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Confirmed by Putin

Hi

Putin have confirmed the death. Panam2014 (talk) 16:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Panam2014 Source? Parham wiki (talk) 16:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

[7] Panam2014 (talk) 16:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Panam2014 Thank you Parham wiki (talk) 16:51, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Putin evidently was not waiting for a body to be identified as Prigozhin. 331dot (talk) 17:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Putin is not a Wikipedian. kencf0618 (talk) 08:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Main Belgian news have Putin officially confirming he's dead.

https://www.hln.be/buitenland/live-wagner-poetin-bevestigt-dood-prigozjin-hij-was-een-getalenteerde-man-die-fouten-heeft-gemaakt~a8ab6578/

Is this the first Western report? squirrel. kencf0618 (talk) 08:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

His body has been identified in the morgue by a Wagner commander. I doubt Putin would say this if there was any chance of him being alive. Pat2dv (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Putin might say that if he ordered the plane shot down, but point taken. 331dot (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Agree that this is confirmation from Putin. (Chances are Putin 'did' wait for forensic confirmation, but that's just my personal speculation.)

• Meduza: He was a person with a complex fate' Putin comments on Yevgeny Prigozhin's apparent death nearly 24 hours after plane crash - Meduza is now being more conservative than Putin
• The Moscow Times He was a man of complicated fate, ...

I've added The Moscow Times citation. Which raises an interesting question —should they be chronological order? kencf0618 (talk) 08:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Boud (talk) 20:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Pentagon assessment: he's dead, Jim.

Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder says the Pentagon believes Prigozhin was "likely" killed in the crash. From the New York Times here. Overlasting Peace (talk) 19:31, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Adding same reporting from NBC News here. Overlasting Peace (talk) 19:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Overlasting Peace I added in 2023 Tver plane crash. Thank you Parham wiki (talk) 19:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The FBI still wants him, and a reward of up to $250,000 for information leading to his arrest is still on offer. https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/yevgeniy-viktorovich-prigozhin/download.pdf kencf0618 (talk) 08:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I mean both the DOD and the UK's Ministry of defence say its highly likely he's dead TheHaloVeteran2 (talk) 08:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The U.K. defence ministry said that he's likely dead but that there's no definitive proof, so keeping the page as presumed dead is the best port of call OneRandomBrit (talk) 09:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

"Likely". You can't arrest a dead man. kencf0618 (talk)

"Wagner Boss Prigozhin’s Body ID’ed in Morgue by Missing Finger: Report". The body of Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin has been positively identified in a Russian morgue by a commander of the mercenary group. -- GreenC 15:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

A "well-connected VChK-OGPU Telegram channel" is not a state organ. For that matter, this is the first time I've heard of the man missing a finger (shall look closely at photographs). For that that matter, there are DNA forensics, surgical records, and dental records. kencf0618 (talk) 17:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Tver Plane Crash

This article references the plane crash that presumably killed Prigozhin and Utkin (details still developing). There is a wikipedia article on this, 2023 Tver plane crash. I propose that it is linked within this article. I can not directly edit the page. If editors with editing rights agree, please do so.LWu22 (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

it is linked, in the final paragraph of the lead. Moons of Io (talk) 20:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! LWu22 (talk) 20:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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Prioghzin has been confirmed as dead 188.65.190.78 (talk) 11:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Parham wiki (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

He is dead.

Sky News and BBC News have reported his death. Officially confirmed. 86.22.29.100 (talk) 11:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

"Reportedly killed" not straight up killed. Big difference there. They are just repeating the Russian DNA result which no one with any impartiality has any access to. It is not correct to say he is "dead" unequivocally if there isn't a reliable source stating it like that. 203.7.124.55 (talk) 06:22, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I believe that it is now confirmed he is dead according to this article being published in AP News: https://apnews.com/article/russia-prigozhin-wagner-2c77567908c73e538f9f1c76ae406f8f. Thoughts? Jurisdicta (talk) 10:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Confirmed by Russian authorities, which is how it should be phrased here on Wikipedia. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 15:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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2A02:C7C:AA58:7B00:D5C6:4954:5C67:1092 (talk) 13:48, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

He has been confirmed dead

 Already done Parham wiki (talk) 13:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

He’s dead it’s officially been confirmed after DNA testing

RIP Prigozhin 2A02:C7C:AA58:7B00:D5C6:4954:5C67:1092 (talk) 13:49, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Out of curiosity, do people think Wikipedians are somehow not going to know major news stories hours after their release and update articles? Wouldn't it make more sense to review the article to see if the change has been made before making a request here? Is there something specific you'd like changed? Moncrief (talk) 21:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Western intel better be on the lookout in Fiji, Dubai, and other special retreats for those who do not want to be found, yet they're officially missing, dead, or both. Enjoying their covert pension plan.

The fact that, on their deaths, the words "presumed" or "supposedly" were edited out is premature, very premature. Trexerman (talk) 05:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Change passenger's deaths to passengers' deaths. 2A00:23C7:5B25:801:55C1:D536:97B0:E1BF (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for catching that error. Moncrief (talk) 20:50, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Kirill Ziminov

Since the page is protected, I cannot edit to correct the spelling of this name, currently written Kiril Ziminov. Please correct. Avemundi (talk) 14:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

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Final sentence in the first paragraph has "a" twice in a row. It should read "...staging a rebellion" 70.161.222.89 (talk) 04:35, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

 Already done -Lemonaka‎ 09:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Date of Bellingcat report

In the lead paragraph, it says

according to a 2022 investigation, were "tightly integrated with Russia's Defence Ministry and its intelligence arm, the GRU".[8]

However, the linked report is from 2020. Naimenz (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

@Naimenz  Done -Lemonaka‎ 04:04, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Are Ilya and and Yevgeny related?

Prigogine and Prigozhin - Perhaps handled better by a Russian scholar than me. Doug youvan (talk) 11:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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We should remove the claim that "His father and stepfather were of Jewish descent", and his listing in the "Russian people of Jewish descent" category, as well as the reference to the Times of Israel article, whose source is a false confirmation (circular reporting) as I explained here Talk:Yevgeny_Prigozhin#Jewish_Ethnicity Ketchupsource (talk) 18:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Not done. Wiki follows what Reliable Sources state. See policy. HammerFilmFan (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy WP:NEWSORG actually states that circular sourcing is not a valid source and should be bewared of so the request still holds. "Some news organizations have used Wikipedia articles as a source for their work. Editors should therefore beware of circular sourcing." Ketchupsource (talk) 05:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Non sequitur. Read original reply. HammerFilmFan (talk) 20:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

How reliable is claim that he is Jewish? According to this article:

"The first round of headlines claiming Prigozhin was Jewish appeared some months ago. As I said at the time, there is no evidence whatsoever that the claim is true. The rumors that Prigozhin “had Jewish blood” were started by Ukrainian websites that were trying to discredit Prigozhin among his fellow Russians.

These false claims were then picked up in an irresponsible way by prominent Israeli media outlets, no doubt eager for page clicks in today’s overly competitive, increasingly down-market media environment. These include the online edition of Israel’s best-selling newspaper Yediot Ahronot.

Prigozhin's Wikipedia page, which appears in 71 languages, is now locked and cannot be edited. It says that Prigozhin’s father is Jewish, referencing an article in the Times of Israel. That article is also incorrect. It has been changed to reflect this, but the Wikipedia entry has not.

Other media continue to promote this falsehood. See below, for example, from the (London) Jewish Chronicle two days ago. The headline and article are still on their website at the time of writing."

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2023

Edit proposal:

1. Edit position: Introduction section After this sentence: "Prigozhin agreed to move to Belarus and criminal charges against him for rebellion were dropped. Wagner mutineers would not be prosecuted if they agreed to either sign contracts with the Defense Ministry or move to Belarus.[20]"

2. Edit content: As of the 6th of July 2023, Prigozhins whereabouts are subject of speculation after Belarussian leader Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko, after having been asked by British CNN reporter Matthew Chance in a press conference, claimed that Prigozhin is still located in Russia, possibly St. Petersburg or even Moscow, but not Belarus.

3. Sources - CNN article and video: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/06/europe/wagner-chief-prigozhin-russia-intl/index.html - The Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/06/wagner-boss-yevgeny-prigozhin-russia-alexander-lukashenko-belarus

4. Additional request If it's possible to support the work of the Wikipedia community by adding neutral information and/or sources, especially on hard or controversial topics that could be subject to manipulation like this (edit-protected) article, I would really like to do so. Unfortunately, I am a bit new to the community (about half a year), so I don't know how to apply for this qualification, but I would be thankful if you could inform me about how to earn this qualification. I would be really happy if you could leave me a message on my profile or something like that. If you would need additional information about me or anything like that, I would be happy to oblige.

Up front: My language skills in English might be imperfect due to me being German, but I'm doing my best.

Thank you for reading! NeutralerNutzername (talk) 14:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Article quotes Alexander Lukashenko as saying that "as for Prigozhin, he's in St Petersburg. He is not on the territory of Belarus." Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 14:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Was his mom a nurse or dr?

Its says in two different things in two sections. In one that his mom was a nurse and in the other that hos mom was a doctor and educator. Which one is true ? 80.208.65.190 (talk) 19:35, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2023

I want to add the titles of Yevgeny Prigozhin in his Africa operations. On July 6, the FSB raided Prigozhin's residence and discovered wigs and many fake passports. All of this was revealed to the public. A few hours after this was released to public, Wagners telegram channel announced the titles and ranks of Prigozhin on African operations, hence describing why he uses the wigs. In PMC Wagner's message they said;

" On the eve of the public in the face of the TV program "60 minutes" of the TV channel "Russia 1" was excited at the sight of wigs found at Prigozhin during the searches.

Why would a person we already know need so many wigs, they asked.

Everything is outrageously simple: for trips abroad. And here are a few selfies of Prigozhin after the reincarnation. "

The titles and ranks are listed below.

1. Ministry of Defence officer in Sudan 2. Assistant Diplomat from Abu Dhabi 3. Senior Lieutenant from Benghazi 4. Colonel from Tripoli 5. Merchant from Syria 6. Field commander Mohammed.

There are many more things to add to this article such as pictures and more detailed descriptions. If these changes are added people can be more aware of the duty of Prigozhin in Africa. Utkutibet (talk) 11:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -Lemonaka‎ 02:42, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

we have a photo of the plane

©Geni (talk) 17:44, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

What is your source of this? Maksiwood 2 (talk) 17:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

The registration is mentioned at https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/23/yevgeny-prigozhin-on-private-jet-that-crashed-near-moscow-russia-wagner among other places.©Geni (talk) 17:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Also a nice photo of the jet plunging to the ground Teenyplayspop (talk) 17:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

"The jet reportedly had the tail number RA-02795."

There is no official confirmation of this being the crashed plane, so it should be held off until either a lot of sources claim that number or an official source (Russian Aviation Authority, for example) claims it. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure any Russian government source should be considered reliable here. 331dot (talk) 18:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Any source is better than speculation. Maksiwood 2 (talk) 18:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I'd agree with 331dot that the Russians aren't necessarily the best source. The BBC is currently trying to verify reports. This is their current article: [[8]] MetricPin (talk) 18:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Here’s the NYT, citing video and flight tracker: [9] K. Oblique 18:25, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Religion

He seems to be of Jewish decent, but is not religious himself? Is it possible to add this to his page.

https://c2donghungtl.edu.vn/en/yevgeny-prigozhin-religion-is-he-christian-or-jewish-ethnicity-and-parents 2A02:A03F:8B2C:9200:ADB0:DA0E:B15B:4C57 (talk) 17:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Speculation of no use on Wikipedia. — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

His Ancestry and racial background is absolutely relevant to his biography. 2600:6C64:78F0:8000:A4FF:CE02:1096:D99F (talk) 18:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. 2804:388:4103:EAFD:1:0:C2CA:1F43 (talk) 18:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

We require reliable sources for any information like this. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:31, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Passenger list vs on board

Both Novaya Gazeta and The Guardian interpret the Federal Air Transport Agency's statement(s) to mean that the agency is sure that Prigozhin was on board the plane. In contrast, most English sources interpret the agency's statement(s) to mean that he was officially on the passenger list - which only means that standard procedures of identity verification (whatever they are) were used, not that the agency has questioned the airport staff or monitoring cameras or used other identity verification beyond "regular" procedures. In many countries, IDs for domestic flights are usually not checked; having a valid ticket is enough.

The interpretations of the agency's text are not in themselves notable, so until there's confirmation one way or another, sticking to "officially on the passenger list" or the equivalent is the only verifiable information in the Wikipedia sense. I made a correction in the plane crash article to avoid over-interpretation of the agency's statement as described by Novaya Gazeta. Boud (talk) 00:03, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Trimming

Hello @Kashmiri:

I do not object to your recent trimming of the article. However, you're deleting 25 kbs of content that might be used in other articles such as Wagner Group or Wagner Group activities in Africa, etc...

Could you please consider moving rather than deleting? -- Jabbi (talk) 09:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

We had best stick to official reports, which are currently coming from... Russian organs. 2023 Tver plane crash already has a sufficient reactions section. kencf0618 (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jabbi, thanks. I won't be immediately able to focus on editing the articles you linked due to time constraints, however editors of those articles are welcome to reuse the passages I removed, as they are preserved in the edit history. On a quick glance, these articles contain quite detailed sections about Wagner Group activities, so it would be surprising to me if Prigozhin's biography contained details that are missing there. However, as I wrote, unfortunately I won't be able to carry out a detailed comparison today. Cheers, — kashmīrī ^TALK 10:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm not against trimming content about Wagner that doesn't involve Prigozhin, but I think you've trimmed the lead too much. For example, Prigozhin saying the reasons for the invasion were lies is lead-worthy. It was much more serious than just criticizing the Defense Ministry, and the sources highlight that. – Asarlaí ^(talk) 12:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Direct quotes from article subject don't normally belong in the lead section, especially when they have no relation with the subject's biography (Greek: βιογραφία, lit. 'description of life'). I know that some Western editors get soooo excited when someone in Russia/China/etc gets critical of the government policy, and they want to stick this news everywhere as if in confirmation of their own criticism – but please, we're trying to write up a decent biography here, not an analysis of the "strange things out there beyond the Iron Curtain". — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 August 2023 (2)

The line in the header that reads: he became business oligarch with close ties to Russian president Vladimir Putin in the 2000s,

is missing an a between "became" and "business oligarch". I believe it should read

he became a business oligarch with close ties to Russian president Vladimir Putin in the 2000s, Alfolfin (talk) 07:52, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Sentences have been copy-edited, no longer need this one. -Lemonaka‎ 09:10, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Appreciated! Alfolfin (talk) 23:06, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 July 2023

Shoudn't we add Prigozhin's feud with Igor Girkin and Ramzan Kadyrov DitorWiki (talk) 10:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 13:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

i am telling that you have to add a section

e.g -

Yevgeny Prigozhin's feud

With Igor Girkin

...

With Ramzan Kadyrov

... DitorWiki (talk) 15:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 23:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 August 2023

Request to remove the date of death. He may not be dead.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/165sxrd/prigojine_say_hes_in_africa_during_his_crash/

Here's a video of the man talking. 2600:1700:9670:7340:7CCB:863F:3784:E8CC (talk) 22:46, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 22:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

It was posted on the “greyzone” and various russian telegram groups, all wagner affiliated. Multiger (talk) 14:47, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Why must we use this picture?

The current picture of Prigozhin is terrible and does not show his full face. Someone please change it to a better picture which is still fairly recent. Khablin (talk) 12:32, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

If you are referring to File:Yevgeny Prigozhin (13-06-2023).jpg, I don't see the issue- but do you have an image you deem to be an improvement? Obviously the opportunity for new images is now gone, so we can only rely on existing ones- and those would need to have a copyright compatible with Wikipedia's. 331dot (talk) 12:36, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

The current profile picture for Prigozhin is terrible. It does not show his full face. Please change it to a better one.Khablin (talk) 12:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC) User Khablin

Khablin Please keep the discussion in this location, there is no need to open additional sections. 331dot (talk) 12:42, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Is there a good frontal picture of him that does not violate copyright? DarmaniLink (talk) 16:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Gaping hole in biography

Reading this article there's clearly a question that goes unaddressed. One can't help but wonder how this petty thug turned businessman and caterer ended up forming a mercenary corps and leading it at the frontlines, a mercenary group now well-known for its efficacy. That's not something that just about any chef can do, in fact usually it takes some relevant military experience. Yet here we read his life story and without explanation we learn that this chef turned into a general of his own private army of convicts. How? 80.68.228.217 (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Presumably he was given an opportunity by Putin in 2014 because he was close to the regime and regarded as loyal. It seemed to work, so he got given more resources and started expanding operations. You're right that more detail and more sources are needed in this area. 203.7.124.55 (talk) 06:19, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Although he is dead now, he seems to have gone from busboy to effective military general in 2 quick hops. Maybe it doesn't take much to control an army.

Also, because CNN referred to him as an "oligarch", that's the first thing Wikipedia says about the guy. He may have been better off financially when he died than when he was bussing tables, but that hardly ranks him as an oligarch.

I'm not going to correct any of these mistakes. There are plenty of more important fights I can get into. Nehmo (talk) 15:57, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Yevgeny Prigozhin confirmed dead.

Yevgeny Prigozhin has been officially confirmed dead, I have the article citation plus the Russian Federal Air transport agency has also confirmed his death. Kindly edit the article in light of this new development, thanks Mujiwins (talk) 10:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Post it. kencf0618 (talk) 10:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Kindly provide us with the article citation in question then, please. Drunk Experiter (talk) 17:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore the NYT notes that his death has not been officially declared. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/25/world/europe/yevgeny-prigozhin-dead.html kencf0618 (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Can we even trust any sort of declaration from the Russian authorities? Putin said he was dead, and very little happens in Russia without Putin's knowledge. 331dot (talk) 18:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

In point of fact, Putin did not confirm his death. Read his "eulogy" closely. Past tense? So what‽ And it's hardly a matter of trusting Russian sources, it's a matter of as per Wikipedia:Verifiability of verifying Russian sources, whatever they say—and we haven't heard from the official investigation, which is officially being run by the Ministry of Emergency Situations (Russia). At some level we'll to cite the official statements of Russian organs such that if the final report of the Ministry of Emergency Situations declares that, say, Prigozhin was asphyxiated in his hovercraft full of eels and that he was in a state of cardiac arrest, that still wouldn't be a report from a morgue or an official declaration of death. kencf0618 (talk) 11:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There is some degree of trust involved, as to if something is a reliable source. Presumably Putin would not have spoken in the past tense if he did not think Prigozhin was dead or would otherwise have been less definitive("I'm waiting for official confirmation, but....") 331dot (talk) 12:06, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

You guys srs need to start believing me, The russian prosecutors office just now officially confirmed his death by DNA investigation, here is you link for reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJr35pxKVw Mujiwins (talk) 11:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

The russian prosecutors office just now officially confirmed his death by DNA investigation. And other news, no one ever now has the right to make memes about "famous person: *dies* wikipedia editors on their way to change "is" to "was":", because yall cant admit that he is dead for a whole week as of now 193.37.192.149 (talk) 10:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Russian media outlets (and some Russian government agencies) are not exactly trustworthy sources of accurate information. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 18:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

We might ignore the original Russian sources. However, all other sources that qualify as RS (e.g. [10]) do consider his death essentially a fact. So should we. My very best wishes (talk) 01:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I mostly agree, however, I think we should also be saying "according to Russian officials ..." just as the Western reliable sources also do in their articles. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 04:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, see WP:GEVAL. We do not have even a small "minority view" that he is alive. That belongs to conspiracy theories. My very best wishes (talk) 01:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Please Wikipedia does NOT tolerate political bias in its content nor its editors.

Regards, Mujiwins (talk) 16:27, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 September 2023

He is alive and appeared in a video addressing the claims of his death https://m.timesofindia.com/world/europe/those-speculating-video-featuring-russias-prigozhin-fuels-rumors-hes-alive/amp_articleshow/103256971.cms Napalm Guy (talk) 08:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done The Times of India is not the best source to be using- but even if we did, it does not definitively say he is alive. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

The video was recorded around the 21st of August according to multiple reliable sources.[11][12][13][14] — kashmīrī ^TALK 10:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Times of India is regarded as a biased source, and appears to spread political propaganda a lot, so it's not a trustable source. Mujiwins (talk) 16:30, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

The lead is way too long

Please see WP:LEAD. A lead is not supposed to be an overwhelming cram session of every angle of information about a subject. I can work on it as able too, but wanted to start the discussion. Moncrief (talk) 00:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

?

In the battle of Bakhmut page do we put Prigozhins death as a death of natural causes as he died while the battle was ongoing? 178.221.94.105 (talk) 22:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

No. The battle ended while he was alive. Napalm Guy (talk) 07:28, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Defense or Defence?

Both spellings are used in the article. Note that Ministry of Defence (Russia) uses the spelling with a C. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Should we really waste our energy on this issue? You decide Mujiwins (talk) 10:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

It's not a waste of energy to make sure appropriate policies like WP:ENGVAR are applied properly. 331dot (talk) 11:06, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Not at all a waste of time. It's part of developing high-quality, consistent articles. I vote for defence, as this is a European topic. Moncrief (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

being a european topic alone doesn't justify using british english spelling IMO.

English sources seem to be using both spellings, however, the official russian military website (use a vpn or web proxy if you cant get access due to being in the US) uses the defence spelling. Most sources seem to refer to the ministry as the Ministry of Defence when calling it by name, but call it the ministry of defense/defense ministry when referring to it as a ministry of defense. So, my vote is when referring to it by name to use Ministry of Defence as the proper noun, and defense when referring to the act of defense. DarmaniLink (talk) 05:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, you have my consensus Mujiwins (talk) 17:58, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

All 10 bodies have been recovered from the site and the search operation has been completed, authorities said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/23/russia-moscow-private-jet-crash-wagner-prigozhin-live/ Synotia (moan) 07:54, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

it's according to this telegram channel, has not been officially confirmed. Synotia (moan) 07:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Per The Kyiv Independent, a good source, "Russian media" confirm that all 10 bodies were taken for examination but The warlord's death is yet to be confirmed by official sources, however. Boud (talk) 08:33, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The Kyiv Independent is a verified biased source and has been noted to distort facts, so it be held as a trustable source. Mujiwins (talk) 18:05, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Can't be* Mujiwins (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Per Meduza, a good source, Prigozhin was almost certainly killed in the crash. But interpretations by media are only of temporary notability. People who study media might be interested. Boud (talk) 08:36, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

We had best stick to official reports, which are currently coming from... Russian organs. kencf0618 (talk) 10:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 September 2023

Please remove stress marks in Russian at the lead section per Wikipedia:Stress marks in East Slavic words. Also remove some non-notable children names per WP:BLPNAME and Template:Infobox person/doc. 112.205.176.179 (talk) 05:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

That first link about stress marks is an opinion essay, not a guideline. HappyWith (talk) 20:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Removed the children's names.  Not done The stress marks request as stale (nobody has reviewed it in over a month), and apparently contested. Any talk page watcher is welcome to do it if they feel inclined. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:38, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Alleged neopaganism

Apparently, around the time of his death, some Russians (including higher-ups in the Russian Orthodox Church) accused Prigozhin of being a practicing Rodnover or at least friendly to the religion. As evidence, they cited the the cross on his tombstone (which is closer in design to a pagan cross than the typical Orthodox one). It definitely _is_ a fact that a lot of Wagner Group fighters practice Rodnovery (the same is also true of the regular Russian Army), but the claims about Prigozhin himself are speculative. I still think they may be notable given that prominent figures (such as Bishop Euthymius (Moiseyev), vicar to Patriarch Kirill) have endorsed them. [15] 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:77FB (talk) 00:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

"Приго́жин" or "Пригожин"?

There is apparently something in Russian that sometimes makes the name diffrent. In his infobox, the Russian name is "Евгений Викторович Пригожин" but in the first sentance is given to be "Евге́ний Ви́кторович Приго́жин". I don't know this concept. I just want to make sure that we really want to write "Приго́жин" instead of "Пригожин" in the infobox.--Marginataen (talk) 09:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Marginataen, these are stress marks. It’s standard practice in encyclopedias (e.g. ru-wiki) to put them on proper names. Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Should that also apply for English Wikipedia? I don't know myself. Marginataen (talk) 11:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The stress marks should be added in the first part of the page. Later on they shouldnt be used however. Deus vult fratres! (talk) 19:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you point to a guideline saying so? Because I can't find any. — kashmīrī ^TALK 13:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry i made it up, but its really a pattern on wikipedia Deus vult fratres! (talk) 07:35, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

I think we should have a policy on this. I don't think wp:en should necessary do this, but I don't who the linguistic reason for why this is done in Russian so hard for me to say Marginataen (talk) 21:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Russian words can have stress falling on different syllables, which can sometimes (albeit rarely) lead to significant differences in meaning (пис́ать 'to write', п́исать 'to pee'). For this reason, dictionaries and language learning books sometimes provide this handy hint – an accent mark over the stressed syllable. — kashmīrī ^TALK 22:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 March 2024

Akaganhamilton1 (talk) 00:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

I want to edit this page about how it is plausible that Putin was involved in the killing of Prigozhin.

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. Jamedeus (talk) 01:00, 2 March 2024 (UTC)