Talk:World cup of rugby

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On 10 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Rugby World Cup. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Rugby

There's rugby union and there's rugby league, there isn't "rugby" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Local Potentate (talk • contribs) 06:14, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 November 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 00:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– The current arrangement maybe worked when women's rugby was a fringe sport, although I do not understand why Rugby Union was regarded as the primary topic for a rugby related topic. Anyway, nowadays the men's and women's games both receiving major coverage, and Rugby Union does not swamp Rugby League; so it seems to me that Rugby World Cup should now be a disambiguation page for all the various options now offered on World cup of rugby. This is consistent with the use of Rugby as a disambiguation page for all the different forms of the game. If Rugby does not default to men's rugby union, why should Rugby World Cup do so? MrStoofer (talk) 11:51, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Whether we like it or not, the main topic for the term "Rugby World Cup" is still the men's rugby union tournament. Rugby league is playing its World Cups right now, as is women's rugby union, so they'll naturally have more attention for the next couple of weeks, but I don't see that being a permanent thing. Rugby union is bigger than rugby league worldwide, and the men's game is bigger than the women's. – Pee Jay 21:04, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose As of now, the majority of coverage still relates to the men's tournament, so while this is the case, Rugby World Cup should remain in relation to the men's tournament, this may change in the future as the women's game grows, but for now it should remain. The rugby league world cup is literally known as the Rugby League World Cup. The tournament itself even uses that stylisation, so there should be no confusion there either. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 21:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "This is consistent with the use of Rugby as a disambiguation page for all the different forms of the game" See here's the problem. There isn't a "the game". League and union are separate sports, this page and all the other similar ill-conceived pages are unnecessary and more importantly misleading to the reader. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Local Potentate (talk • contribs) 02:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I take this comment as a Support since it correctly identified the fact that the current situation is misleading to the reader. MrStoofer (talk) 10:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - So you do understand that these are two separate sports, just like any other two separate sports, or not? This page has no purpose or value, except to reinforce the misconception that league and union are two varieties of the same sport, similar to T20 and ODI cricket. SO the RWC should have a page called that, the RLWC a page called that, and if necessary one page each "Rugby union/league world cups" and this page deleted. Local Potentate (talk) 20:04, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Administrator note it is a comment, not a support. If it were a support, they would have said so. Primefac (talk) 11:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the men's rugby union world cup is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and hatnotes to the women's rugby union and men's rugby league tournaments is fine. Also if moved, should be to Rugby World Cup (men) to be consistent with the women's tournament. The union tournament calls itself "Rugby World Cup" whereas Rugby League doesn't, so it isn't an ambiguous name. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The men's article is the clear primary topic and hat notes are the appropriate what to disambiguate any other pages.Skeene88 (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the first part of the proposal, as the Rugby World Cup clearly relates to rugby union. I would support a proposal to change Rugby World Cup to Rugby World Cup (Men) to keep up with the times. After all, World Rugby uses Rugby World Cup for both the men's and women's tournaments. Ruggalicious (talk) 00:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:NCDAB, the Rugby League competition has a natural disambiguation in its name. I also agree with those above that the Rugby Union competition is the primary topic and should stay at Rugby World Cup. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 18:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If Rugby World Cup were to be moved, it should be done so consistently with Rugby World Cup (women), one way or another.—Bagumba (talk) 16:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose moving World cup of rugby, per the many commments above - Rugby World Cup is the official and common name for the rugby union competition. --Bcp67 (talk) 14:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - agree with Bagumba. The two Rugby World Cups for rugby union should have consistent titles. I'd prefer Rugby World Cup (men) and Rugby World Cup (women), I don't see the need to have "rugby union" in the disambiguation for these two competitions.Bcp67 (talk) 10:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Ruggalicious Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 15:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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