Talk:WD 2359−434

On 24 February 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Gliese 915. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Requested move 24 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. After extended time for discussion, a consensus for the proposed move has not emerged. BD2412 T 17:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WD 2359−434 → Gliese 915 – According to WP:STARNAMES, for stars that have no Bayer or Flamsteed designations, the Henry Draper Catalogue (HD) number, variable-star designation or the Gliese number should be used for the article name about the star. As WD 2359–434 has no HD number or Variable-star designation, the name Gliese 915 should be used. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 16:43, 24 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose That's not a hard rule; generally whatever name is most commonly used in sources is preferred. Searching ADS shows that the WD designation is more common than any form of the Gliese designation. SevenSpheres (talk) 17:26, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Astronomy has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:10, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WD 2359−434 → Gliese 915 – Simpler name inline with WP:STARNAMES, which priorizes Gliese designations for stars without proper names, Bayer, Flamsteed, HD or Variable designations. New title meets the naturalness criteria, follow the naming convetion and is consistent with other Gliese stars. 21 Andromedae (talk) 23:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Waqar💬 16:50, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, nothing has changed since the previous RM, the common name is clear. ADS returns 43 results for WD 2359-434 but only 5 results for Gliese 915. SevenSpheres (talk) 23:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being the common name is not all that matters. From WP:COMMONAME, Editors should also consider all five of the criteria for article titles outlined above. The reasons given by me are reasonable, and would make it meet all other criteria for article titles, except this one. It has the advantage of being simpler and it meets WP:STARNAMES. This is a relatively obscure white dwarf, there doesn't seem to be too many coverage about it, most pageviews about it would be from wikilinks in other Wikipedia articles. 21 Andromedae (talk) 21:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at those criteria:

Recognizability and naturalness don't really apply here, since as you say this star is obscure, but they would tend to support the most commonly used name, which in this case seems to be the current title.
Both names are precise and concise.
Consistency doesn't apply here since not all stars with WD or Gliese designations use them as the title.

I think the intent of WP:STARNAMES point 4 is that generally, HD, Gliese or variable star designations are likely to be in more common use than most other designations. That's generally true, but it doesn't seem to apply here. Another case where it doesn't apply is HR 8799, which has HD and variable star designations but is best known by its HR designation. SevenSpheres (talk) 22:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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