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On 16 January 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros to UT Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 2 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:COMMONNAME. (non-admin closure) Fuortu (talk) 18:38, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros → UTRGV Vaqueros – The official athletics website uses UTRGV when referring to the name of the teams. It is also on their jerseys. They use the same abbreviation style as UTSA and UTEP, not Texas-Arlington. AquilaXIII (talk) 20:09, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – Texas–Rio Grande Valley is the WP:COMMONNAME, not UTRGV. We don't go by the school's branding just because that is what they [want to] use, we use the common name. ESPN spells it out, the NCAA spells it out, CBS spells it out, Fox Sports spells it out... do I need to go any further? Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 07:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – It makes sense to use the abbreviation since its what most schools use when referring to the sports teams and it's what this school uses when referring to itself. Granted, some of the websites cited by the oppose comment spell the name out I think they do that just to let readers know which school it is in an article but when they compete they do use UTRGV. I think it's for the better to change the name. JAMendoza (talk) 01:46, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - UTRGV is hardly a common name. --167.58.93.235 (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The official name has next to no relevance here. Andrewa (talk) 16:49, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 9 January 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is a clear consensus not to move these pages, in this discussion and in the previous discussion. (closed by non-admin page mover) Brad v 16:54, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

– WP:COMMONNAME; and this request applies to all articles related to UTRGV athletics such as 2016–17 Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros men's basketball team. The college's athletics website GoUTRGV.com uses "UTRGV" prominently. Also, the NCAA Career Statistics database (select the "school" menu) uses "UTRGV", and the Western Athletic Conference and ESPN use "UT Rio Grande Valley" (as opposed to "Texas...") as a workaround.

(Edit) I saw the previous discussion. Well, doing a Google search of "Texas Rio Grande Valley" +Basketball returns ~78k results, compared to UTRGV basketball returning ~124k results. Also, the Associated Press uses UTRGV in headlines, such as in this article from Dec. 12 and this one from Nov. 20. The local newspaper in UTRGV's area also uses "UTRGV" in sports coverage, such as here and here. Arbor to SJ (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per the last requested move. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 23:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree, because I think I've made the case why "UTRGV" is not just the school's self-used athletics name but also common in media outlets. Arbor to SJ (talk) 05:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When I do a google search, I receive 108,000 results for 'Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros' and 23,300 for 'UTRGV'. Even if I leave out the dash, I still get the same results. As I mentioned above, the NCAA, CBS Sports, ESPN, Yahoo! Sports, Fox Sports, USA Today, all of the major news networks don't use UTRGV. Also, on Google News, UTRGV gets about 500 results fewer than Texas–Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros. I'm not convinced that UTRGV is the WP:COMMONNAME. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 19:34, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually when I searched "Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros" with the quotation marks i only got around 19k results "UTRGV Vaqueros" (again, quotes included) returned around 7.7k google results; without the quotes there are around 23k results.

The Associated Press stories about UTRGV I linked alternate between the abbreviation and fuller name but primarily use the abbreviation. For instance this story uses "Texas-Rio Grande Valley" once but the abbreviation three times. Arbor to SJ (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:RECOGNIZABLE and WP:PRECISE policies, and MOS:ABBR, and WP:OFFICIALNAME. WP:COMMONNAME is not even one of the naming criteria (go look it up!), it's just WP:AT's suggestion for how to most often arrive at a name that fits the criteria. It does not always do so, and abbreviation is perhaps the most common case where it often does not (sometimes it does, as with N.W.A. – there are cases where a) something is overwhelmingly known by the abbreviated version, and b) what the abbreviation stands for is irrelevant or may be occluded on purpose, and neither of those apply here). Corkythehornetfan's data seems to disprove any common-name claim anyway, and as all our collegiate sports articles show, we WP:CONSISTENTly use the full name of the institution. The case here is simply one of regional people and of sports fans (and sport writers) being familiar with the acronym and not, amongst themselves, bothering to spell it out. But WP is written also for school-children in South Africa, and nurses in Singapore, etc., not just collegiate sports fans in Texas. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 03:05, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. "UTRGV" is unintelligible to the average reader and would make the encyclopedia less, rather than more, useful. This request also comes awfully soon on the heels of the last one. JohnInDC (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 16 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus is that the proposed titles are the common names. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 15:33, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– A move was proposed twice, the last coming almost exactly six years ago to move to UTRGV. In that time, UTRGV has still not become the WP:COMMONNAME, but I think an argument can be made that UT Rio Grande Valley HAS become the best reference: ESPN.com and CBS Sports call the team UT Rio Grande Valley, and the AP is now referring to the team as UT Rio Grande Valley - especially relevant when plenty of sites are just running AP copy to provide notes on these games.

These names should only take on even more acceptance as time moves on, and the school prepares to add a football program. fuzzy510 (talk) 16:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 20:27, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as the official website says 'The official athletics website for the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros', so the articles should be at University of Texas Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros, University of Texas Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros baseball etc. Giant Snowman 20:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's not how anybody refers to American college sports teams - doing that would be roughly equivalent to me saying that we need to move Chelsea F.C. to Chelsea Football Club because their website initially refers to them that way. --fuzzy510 (talk) 09:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per correct rationale of nom. BD2412 T 06:13, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom Joeykai (talk) 18:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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