Jump to content

Talk:Typhoon Chanchu

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Good articleTyphoon Chanchu has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
June 19, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed
July 16, 2014Good article nomineeListed
December 4, 2014Featured article candidateNot promoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on May 18, 2006.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Super Typhoon Chanchu of 2006 (pictured) was only the second super typhoon recorded in the South China Sea?
Current status: Good article

Todo

[edit]

Given that Icelandic Hurricane made this an article, we might as well keep it for now. I marked it as a stub because there isn't a whole lot of information. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me keep it. I'll continue working on it as much as I can. Icelandic Hurricane #12 17:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely article-worthy. Although I know not a whole lot about the region, I will try to do as much as I can. CrazyC83 17:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good work so far. Things that can be added are damage information for the Philippines and more storm history, if possible. Also, preparations should be added. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There should be 1 or 2 more pictures of the storm to the article. I have 30 of them at peak. I really like those IR ones. Good article so far. 216.110.254.167 20:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, anon! You should consider getting an account. I think it would help a lot. Icelandic Hurricane #12 21:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I really need help reorganizing the impact section. What I have done is more like a list than a paragraph. Icelandic Hurricane #12 00:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes i'm going to get an account soon Icelanic. I can really help with all the weather areas of wikipedia. We have another picture but an color image of Chanchu works well with these articles. Is there going to be a track added to the article? 216.110.254.167 02:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can I create a forecasting sectiona? Stating things like the fact that it was originally forecast to continue to strength into a category five. Is there a place where I can see former advisories and forecast tracks? Then I could expand the Forecasting section if it is made. Icelandic Hurricane #12 00:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, if you can find one. Not sure where, though. Hurricanehink (talk) 11:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chanchu should be the first storm to be officially called a strong typhoon in China since 198x. However, it will possibly be downgraded to a typhoon before landfall. China is now well-prepared for this strong typhoon and I hope the demage won't be too severe.Momoko

I noticed that NSLE deleted the infobox because he says it's confusing to some people. I agree with him, but is it possible to move the current storm info thing to the left instead of where it is? Then we could put back the infobox with the awesome pic and stuff. Icelandic Hurricane #12 13:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how confusing it is. The infobox should be restored, and the current event stuff can go elsewhere. The infobox is still important. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We had the same problem at one of the cyclones (I think it was Monica), due to the active update being directly above the overall one. Therefore you get three different things at once - current JMA strength, current JTWC strength, max JTWC strength. For some, they would look at the main infobox and think that that's the one. There's a reason we have an Active infobox. I do not feel we should use both together. NSLE (T+C) at 00:51 UTC (2006-05-17)
Ooohh. In that case, most of the stuff in the infobox is already in the article, so it can't hurt not having it there, especially with the current box being right there. OK, I understand your reasoning. You could make it hidden with < !-- 's. That way, you won't lose what was already there, yet it's not there to confuse people. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Chanchu, the strongest ever typhoon reported in the South China Sea in May," [1]. BTW - there are two Chinese nuclear power plants there - see list of nuclear reactors. Simesa 08:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Here's some links that might be useful. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name

[edit]

Nowhere in the source given to prove that Chanchu comes from Macanese does it say that Chanchu means "pearl" in Macanese. However,

  • Cantonese is the main spoken language of Macau, while Macanese is a rare creole spoken by only a few families and with no official status;
  • We have any number of Cantonese-speakers here on Wikipedia who are able to confirm that pearl in Cantonese is "Chanchu".

-- ran (talk) 09:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The source does not mention the languages the names are taken from, however it's widely accepted that it would be taken from the local languages. The season article for 2005 seems to back this up. NSLE (T+C) at 10:03 UTC (2006-05-18)

The local language of Macau is Cantonese. Please see Macau for more information. -- ran (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then we obviously need a Macanese speaker to tell us what "pearl" is in Macanese. Your point is fair enough, though. NSLE (T+C) at 10:08 UTC (2006-05-18)

Why we even bother with this - its pointless trivia isn't it? There is a point to having "Chanchu was contributed by Macau" but the naming list shows that clearly enough; why repeat it in the storms article? Having "Chanchu means pearl (in whatever language)" is like having on Hurricane Katrina: "Katrina is a variant of Katherine, which comes from the ancient Greek word for pure". The etymology of a storms name is hardly that significant is it?--Nilfanion (talk) 10:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My source for Chanchu meaning pearl in the Macanese language was the July 2000 monthly global tropical cyclone summary. Look in the section called "Tropical Storm Upana Chanchu". Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 20:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Cantonese from Hong Kong. That "Chanchu" is "pearl" in its word(which is Chinese word) and is "pearl" in its sound(which is Cantonese prounciation). Here, is the official page of their observatory on the name: http://www.smg.gov.mo/ccaa/typhoon/c_tcname_y2k.htm At that page, the word next to "1." is Chanchu(= Pearl). At the second table, the first row is about Chanchu(= Pearl). The left column is "Chanchu"(= Pearl), and the right column is its description text, which I would roughly translate as the following: " Chanchu(= Pearl) is circular, smooth and shiny, fostered inside the shell of oyster, usually used as jewelly. A lot of souvenirs from Macau are made of Chanchu (= Pearl)"--YamFun 09:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To me, the funniest thing is that Chanchu, in Hanyu Pinyin, means "toad" (蟾蜍). Pseudotriton 15:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is that:

  • Cantonese and Portuguese are the official languages of Macau;
  • Cantonese is the native language of the vast majority of people in Macau;
    • We can see that four of the five names (Chanchu, Wutip, Vongfong, Muifa) submitted by Macau correspond to Cantonese words, and one (Parma) corresponds to a Portuguese word;
  • Macanese is a rare minority language spoken by a handful of people only, with no official status.

I think the author of that "unofficial source" made the same error as the original author of this Wikipedia article: he thought that the native language of Macau must be "Macau" + "-ese", i.e. "Macanese". If there were a tiny unknown language in Hong Kong called "Hong Kongese", I'm sure someone would claim that the names submitted by Hong Kong came from "Hong Kongese" rather than Cantonese.

Ultimately, when we have plenty of people available to verify that the names indeed come from Cantonese, the majority language of Macau, then it is extremely unlikely that these same names were actually submitted by Macau from a language that is unofficial and that most of its population doesn't even speak. Macau submitted names from its two official languages: 4 Cantonese names (Chanchu, Wutip, Vongfong, Muifa) and one Portuguese name (Parma). -- ran (talk) 16:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[2] -- Official Macao government website. The typhoon name is given in Chinese, which when pronounced in Cantonese is "Chanchu". -- ran (talk) 17:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The unofficial source states that it was submitted by the colony of Macau, which makes me wonder when the name was actually submitted, which could be useful to know. After reading Macanese language, it seems no suprise that the word is common to both, Macanese being derived from Cantonese (and others). I see no evidence, as I can't read the Chinese source, from an official body which says anything more than "Chanchu means pearl". The unofficial source claims it is the Macanese and I am prepared to believe the Chinese source says it is Cantonese. I'm trawling through the Typhoon Committee website trying to find any hint one way or the other - if that site says something it is authoritative. My personal preference is to not include the "Chanchu = pearl" in this article at all on the grounds it is trivia not really relating to the storm. However the meaning of the word is important, IMO it belongs on List of tropical cyclone names, so this should be resolved in any case. Another possibility is the lead states "Chanchu means pearl" and somewhere in the article proper gives a more complete explanation.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that "Chanchu" means "pearl" in Macanese Patuá. Judging from the examples on Wikipedia and elsewhere, most of the vocabulary of Macanese Patuá comes from Portuguese and to a lesser extent Malay -- I haven't spotted a single Cantonese word in the examples given (e.g. the poems), except for the two examples explicitly given as such (amui and laissi). The author of this source probably made the same mistake as NSLE: with no prior knowledge of the linguistic situation in Macau, the author simply assumed that "Macau must speak Macanese". Had the Wikipedia article on Macanese Patuá been at a different place (e.g. at Patuá), this problem might not even have arisen. -- ran (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh.... and I should tell you this: actually the official source in Chinese does not say explicitly which language the name comes from, in case you misunderstood. The site simply gives the name of the typhoon as "pearl", i.e. "Typhoon Pearl" (in Chinese, of course; it's read as Toi-fung chan-chu, which literally translates as "Typhoon Pearl"). Similarly for "Typhoon Wasp", "Typhoon Butterfly", and "Typhoon Plum Blossom". Here's the analogy: if north Atlantic hurricanes were named after animal names in English instead, e.g. "Hurricane Anteater", "Hurricane Bison“，etc., I don't think the NHC website is going to explain to its English-speaking readers that "Anteater comes from 'anteater', which means 'anteater' in English". -- ran (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As for when the name was submitted -- Macanese Patuá never had any official recognition in Macau and was always the language of a small ethnic community. -- ran (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Straw poll

[edit]

What do we use in the article?

  • Unofficial source says Macanese; possibility of Cantonese
  1. NSLE (T+C) at 17:30 UTC (2006-06-01)
  2. íslenska hurikein #12(talk) 19:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Macanese, no mention of Cantonese
  • Cantonese, no mention of Macanese
  1. ran (talk) 22:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC) -- Macau submitted "Chanchu", which means "pearl". "Chanchu" does indeed mean "pearl" in Cantonese, which is one of two official languages of Macau, and spoken by the vast majority of its population.[reply]
  • Official source says Cantonese; possibility of Macanese
  1. NSLE (T+C) at 17:30 UTC (2006-06-01)
  2. Nilfanion (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC) - if the official source states it is, then it is... but the Macanese is worthy of mention.[reply]
  3. íslenska hurikein #12(talk) 00:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change the list article to reflect the naming issues, remove it from this article

#Nilfanion (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep naming issues in this article
  • Drop all mention of the meanings of names
  1. Nilfanion (talk) 22:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC) I've reconsidered here. The fact it was called Typhoon Chanchu is significant. The fact Chanchu was submitted by Macau is significant to the list of names but not the storm itself. The fact that "Chanchu means Pearl" is irrelevant. This is also much more consistent with the other basins.[reply]

OK. I think Official source says Cantonese; possibility of Macanese won. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't go that far. There were only four people voting in the straw poll, most of whom voted more than once. I'll agree with Nilfanion on this one and say that who contributed the name and what it means is not that important to the article if it is disputed. --Hurricanehink (talk) 17:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Side by side comparison of Cantonese and Macanese Patuá

[edit]

Let me put this in a parallel side-by-side format:

  • Official Status
    • Cantonese and Portuguese are the official languages of Macau.
    • Macanese Patuá has no official status in Macau.
  • Demographics
    • Cantonese is the common first language of the vast majority of the people of Macau.
    • Macanese Patuá is spoken by less than 4000 people, mostly elderly members of a tiny ethnic community in Macau.
  • The word "Chanchu"
    • "Chanchu" means "pearl" in Cantonese. This Macao Government Website gives the name "Chanchu" clearly and unambiguously as 珍珠, the Chinese characters for "pearl", which when pronounced in Cantonese yields "Chanchu". Feel free to confirm this with any one of the dozens of Cantonese speakers here on Wikipedia.
    • Our only source for the assertion that "Chanchu" means "pearl" in Macanese is found here: [3]: Chanchu [was] submitted by the colony of Macau [and] is the Macanese word for pearl.
      • First of all, Macau was no longer a colony in the year 2000.
      • "Macanese" is an adjective that can broadly refer to the entire population of Macau. And as I have already said before, the vast majority of the people of Macau speak Cantonese as their first language.
  • Congruency with other names submitted by Macau: Like all of the other countries and territories that have submitted typhoon names, Macau uses its official language(s) for naming typhoons:
    • Chanchu (珍珠) means "pearl" in Cantonese
    • Wutip (蝴蝶) means "butterfly" in Cantonese
    • Vongfong (黃蜂) means "wasp" in Cantonese
    • Parma refers to a kind of Macanese dish in Portuguese
    • Muifa (梅花) means "plum blossom" in Cantonese

Why then do some of you hold on to the assertion that Chanchu is a name that comes from Macanese? Is it simply because it looks more "likely" that "Macau" is submitting names from a language that is called "Macanese" (perhaps Hong Kong should then submit names from "Hong Kongese") -- even though very few people from Macau actually speak Macanese and there is no official recognition of Macanese? Had the article Macanese language been located at Macanese Patuá or just Patuá instead, would this issue have come up? NSLE and Icelandic Hurricane: I know you are good-faith editors who have contributed a lot to Wikipedia. Why then are you so stubborn and intransigent in this issue, even though sheer common sense is staring you in the face? Please, explain your reasoning... -- ran (talk) 22:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question: What is the Macanese for butterfly, wasp and plum blossom?--Nilfanion (talk) 22:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know, and I doubt that any Wikipedian from Macau would know. (Feel free to ask on Macau-related talk pages.) And why is it important? As I said, Macanese is spoken by the elderly members of a tiny ethnic minority in Macau, and has no official status. The vast majority of Macau's people speak Cantonese. Even if the words for "butterfly", "wasp", and "plum blossom" in Macanese Patuá were somehow the same as their counterparts in Cantonese, I would still say that the words come from Cantonese, because Cantonese is an official language of Macau and the first language of most of its citizens.
I have strong doubts in any case that "Chanchu" means "pearl" in Macanese Patuá. Judging from the examples on Wikipedia and elsewhere, most of the vocabulary of Macanese Patuá comes from Portuguese and to a lesser extent Malay. The author of this source probably made the same mistake as NSLE: with no prior knowledge of the linguistic situation in Macau, the author simply assumed that "Macau must speak Macanese". -- ran (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dissipation

[edit]

THe JMA is still issuing advisories. What should we do? The one I just checked said 0900 May 17, 40 k winds, 996 mbar and other things. Icelandic Hurricane #12 10:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It reads
T0601 (CHANCHU)
Issued at 09:00 UTC 18 May 2006RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TS 0601 CHANCHU (0601)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 180900UTC 27.2N 119.9E FAIR
MOVE NNE 22KT
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
30KT 260NM SOUTHEAST 150NM NORTHWEST

Should we say that the JMA continued advisories for X hours longer or something like that? Icelandic Hurricane #12 10:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It has indeed released an advisory at 180900... about two hours ago. It's now suposed to be extratropical, according to the JTWC... NSLE (T+C) at 10:58 UTC (2006-05-18)
Well not according to the JMA. Should we write about this? Icelandic Hurricane #12 11:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And another one:
T0601 (CHANCHU)
Issued at 12:00 UTC 18 May 2006RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TS 0601 CHANCHU (0601)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 181200UTC 28.5N 121.3E FAIR
MOVE NE 29KT
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
30KT 260NM SOUTHEAST 150NM NORTHWEST

Icelandic Hurricane #12 14:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And again;
T0601 (CHANCHU)
Issued at 18:00 UTC 18 May 2006RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TS 0601 CHANCHU (0601)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 181800UTC 31.5N 123.4E FAIR
MOVE NNE 35KT
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
30KT 230NM SOUTHEAST 150NM NORTHWEST
Icelandic Hurricane #12 19:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Still more coming;
T0601 (CHANCHU)
Issued at 21:00 UTC 18 May 2006RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TS 0601 CHANCHU (0601)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 182100UTC 32.3N 124.3E FAIR
MOVE NNE 27KT
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
30KT 230NM SOUTHEAST 150NM NORTHWEST
Icelandic Hurricane #12 22:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I may not like it, but I'd change the dissipation date to whenever the JMA declares it extratropical, because the JMA is the RSMC for this basin, not the JTWC. According to the JMA, Chanchu is still active, but is forecast to "become extratropical" in 24 hours (even though it clearly is - it hasn't had a CDO in at least 12 hours). --Coredesat 00:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is the last advisory;
T0601 (CHANCHU)
Issued at 00:00 UTC 19 May 2006RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME DEVELOPED LOW FORMER TS 0601 CHANCHU (0601)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 190000UTC 32N 125E
MOVE NE 20KT
PRES 996HPA
MXWD 040KT
30KT 200NM
Icelandic Hurricane #12 00:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like we have our answer, then. I'd go ahead and change it to May 19, since the official RSMC declared it extratropical then. --Coredesat 02:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As the usual practice in Wikipedia, the date of dissipation should be the one that the extratropical system dissipates. As JMA is still issing gale warnings, I think it is too early to state the date of dissipation.
GALE WARNING.
DEVELOPED LOW FORMER TROPICAL STORM 0601 CHANCHU (0601) 996 HPA
AT 32N 125E EAST CHINA SEA MOVING NORTHEAST 20 KNOTS.
WARM FRONT FROM 32N 125E TO 35N 130E 34N 139E 33N 145E.
COLD FRONT FROM 32N 125E TO 31N 127E 27N 126E 24N 123E.
WINDS 30 TO 40 KNOTS WITHIN 200 MILES OF LOW.
Momoko
That's incorrect, there is no "usual practice" of using the one that the extratropical system dissipates. We take the dissipation date = end of cyclone's life. NSLE (T+C) at 10:08 UTC (2006-05-19)
At least that's the practice in 2005 Atlantic hurricane season page. It is also the practice of JMA to take the end of the extratropical system as the dissipation date in best track data. Momoko
The JMA practice is to include the extratropical phase in the best track data; this is the same as the NHC practice, again the extratropical phase is included for Atlantic storms. The difference is in how active storms are handled. The NHC only issues TC advisories on the (sub)tropical stages, if it is extratropical it is handled by a different agency within the NWS; though it will be in the best track. I'm not sure but maybe the JMA continues to issue gale warnings on the extratropical storms, those which the NHC gives responsibility to other agencies for? Ultimately we should have as the dissipation date the date Chanchu became extratropical; the only problem is if the JTWC and JMA disagree on which day that was (entirely possible, they do have disagreements a lot...), if there is its the JMA's date, which will become available when they publish the best track at latest.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For clarification; for Atlantic and EPac storms we take date of dissipation to be the date the NHC releases its last advisory on the cyclone. As I remember, for Ophelia I was reverted changing its date of dissipation to "still active" on its infbox after it had become extratropical, which proves that when extratropical we consider it to have dissipated. NSLE (T+C) at 05:58 UTC (2006-05-21)

Image

[edit]

Does anybody think they can find an image of Chanchu making landfall in China? I've tried the NASA site, and the navy site is all weird. So where else could there be one? Icelandic Hurricane #12 11:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

nevermind, I got one, unless if someone can find a better one. Icelandic Hurricane #12 22:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Class

[edit]

I dont get it. Cyclone Mala is a B-class and this is just as good as it, maybe better. Why isnt it a B-Class? Icelandic Hurricane #12 21:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because Chanchu effected more places. Mala only affected Myanmar, so we covered that impact easily. This is a bit harder, and newer. It's close, but generally B-class isn't awarded when the storm is still active or recently active. The information changes too quickly. I am referring to the Vietnam, China, and Japan impact section. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Besides the Japanese Impact section, this definetly has to be B-class material. Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 21:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

refs

[edit]

Would someone take the time to expand the bare url citations, preferably using {{cite web}} and {{cite news}}? I'd do it myself but I really don't have the time right now, and the article is on the Main page. Circeus 14:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, currently the refs are all messed up because some users added plain refs without {{cite web}} or {{cite news}}, messing up the numbering in some places. We also need to standardise <ref> or <ref name="">. Currently, both are used, which messes naming up (ref. no. 27 is called "ref-22" in the URL). NSLE (T+C) at 12:00 UTC (2006-05-21)
I vote for <ref name="this">, though, whenever someone has the time, cite web formatting should be used everywhere. Hurricanehink (talk) 15:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I converted all those I could, but alas, I had to left over those that were in chinese/cantonese, because I don,t speak the language. I removed most name attributes because, well, they were utterly useless in the absence of multiple refering, as well as needlessly long(entire article titles), and thus confusing in the source. Circeus 02:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Impact/Hong Kong

[edit]

I have re-unindented Hong Kong's subsection under impact. As with previous cyclone articles, we are not in a position to make the distinction about whether or not to classify HK as part of the PRC. As they are seperate areas affected, there is no need to indent Hong Kong as a subsection of China. NSLE (T+C) at 05:39 UTC (2006-05-21)

Addendum: The only time we should be indenting areas as subsections of others are for states, like Florida or Texas as part of the US when there is no text in the US section OR something like the following: 

==Impact==
bla bla bla bla.....
===United States===
The storm caused damage in two states in the United States.
====Florida====
bla bla bla bla.....
====Texas====
bla bla bla bla....
===Cuba===
bla bla bla bla....

In this case, as HK and China are seperate (in terms of the impact of the storm, unlike in the above US example), one should not be indented as a subsection of the other. You would not find an article that would say "In Florida, the storm did so-and-so damage, and in Texas, the storm did so-and-so damage", and then have the article go on and repeat that over in subsections for the states. If you really considered HK part of China, you'd just put all the HK info into the China subsection. NSLE (T+C) at 05:53 UTC (2006-05-21)

Name "Chanchu"

[edit]

Where was the name "Chanchu" submitted to? --HappyCamper 20:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if I know what you mean. Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 20:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it, a name for a typhoon is proposed by a country to an international body of some sort. Do you know which body this is? I'd like to add it to the article if possible. --HappyCamper 21:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I believe chanchu was submitted by Macau to the JTWC, and Caloy to PAGASA. Icelandic Hurricane #12(talk) 22:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect. The names were submitted to the World Meteorological Organisation, and chosen by the RSMC (JMA). Caloy is a PAGASA-only thing. NSLE (T+C) at 01:15 UTC (2006-05-23)
I quote,

Western North Pacific tropical cyclones are named by the Tokyo Typhoon Centre of the Japan Meteorological Agency. Names are selected from the following lists, there is no annual list. The names were contributed by members of the WMO Typhoon Committee. Each of 14 nations or territories submitted 10 names, which are used in alphabetical order by the English name of the country

The names were submitted to the WMO Typhoon Committee, but not chosen by the RSMC (JMA). The names have to be agreed upon all committee members. If any one member rejects, the contributing country has to submit another name. For example, Taichi was rejected by Japan and Kapok was rejected by Thailand.[4] Momoko

Todo2

[edit]

Future todo includes more info, including up-to-date info. The impact section is lacking in areas. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure if someone could translate the Tiếng Việt (Vietnamese?) article for Chanchu, we could find a little more impact info. I guess I could ask someone on the engish wikipedia to translate it for us. íslenska hurikein #12(samtal) 00:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There weren't much new info from the Vietnamese article. It appears to be a translation from the English version, with one additional paragraph in the Vietnamese section: As of May 28, 2006, tens of Vietnamese fishing ships were affected by Chanchu. 14 were sunk and 4 others are missing with a total of 322 fishermen. Almost 250 people have been reported missing. Some believe that this disaster was caused by incompetent weather forecasting by Vietnamese governmental agencies. These forecasts differ from forecasts of the region by forecasts from the Philippines, Hong Kong, Japan, Hawaii, the United States Navy, etc. <ref>{{News reference|url=http://www.planetout.com/news/article-print.html?2001/03/19/4|title=Bão Chanchu đã được dự báo như thế nào?|work=[[Báo Tuổi Trẻ|Tuổi Trẻ Online]]|date=[[25 May]], [[2006]]}}</ref><ref>{{News reference|url=http://www.vietnamnet.vn/xahoi/doisong/2006/05/574463/|title=Bão Chanchu: Dự báo đúng nhưng chỉ...muộn một chút!!!|work=[[Vietnam Net]]|date=[[25 tháng 5]] năm [[2006]]}}</ref> However, these allegations were denied by the head of the Center for Metrological Forecasting.<ref>{{Chú thích báo|url=http://vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2006/05/3B9EA24F/|title='Nếu dự báo bão sai, tôi chấp nhận bị cách chức'|work=[[VnExpress|VnExpress.net]]|date=[[25 May]] [[2006]]}}</ref> DHN 01:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

[edit]

First concern is the copyright status of this Image the description stats AUthor is my friend but doesn't want his name put here. Maybe true but cant use an image without definate history and details to support claim. Second concern is that the Vietnam section has been translated but needs a copy edit especially with present and past tense ie Almost 250 people have been reported if its too soon to fix these types of comments then there is still more information to be added to the article and it cant be considered comprehensive enough for GA see WP:WIAGA section 3.... Gnangarra 15:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Failed GA

[edit]

Failed for two major reasons

  1. this Image current discussions in commons appear to suggest that a copyright problem exists [5]
  2. Requested copy edit, and update of information has yet to occur.

Minor Reason (alone this wouldn't have been sufficient to fail GA), that given the current status of the event there is still information that need to be finalised. Gnangarra 01:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check this out!

[edit]

Look at this. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Todo3

[edit]

Here's a lot of Aftermath. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New peak image

[edit]

The previous image is much closer to it's landfall. I finally added a new one much nearer to it's peak after i got a new internet connection... --IrfanFaiz 08:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's the difference? So what if the old one was closer to landfall? If both images were of it at its peak then your change was redundant. – Chacor 09:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The storm has a higher wind speed in the new image... --IrfanFaiz 05:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

[edit]
GA toolbox
Reviewing
This review is transcluded from Talk:Typhoon Chanchu/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Juliancolton (talk · contribs) 04:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great work on this. At first glance, it looks like you have a nice variety of sources, and the illustrations seem useful and relevant. For a hypothetical FAC, File:Affected Philippine provinces by typhoon Chanchu 2006.PNG would probably need some kind of source in the file description page, and the source info for File:Typhoon Pearl in Shantou.jpg is a bit dubious, but at this stage I can let those things slide. Some comments on the content:

  • An area of convection, or thunderstorms, persisted on May 5 about 555 km (355 mi) southeast of... - 555 km seems a bit specific for an area of disorganized thunderstorms, and kind of implies that it already had a well-defined center of circulation (not sure that's what you want to convey).
  • By contrast, the JMA only intensified into a severe tropical storm with winds of 95 km/h (60 mph). - I hate when my agencies fail to intensify. ;) Normally I'd fix something like this myself, but I'm not sure how you meant to word it.
  • Vietnamese fishermen in the South China Sea received 24 hours of warning from the national meteorology agency - I might have missed it, but do you know what the agency is called?
  • A ferry with 700 people aboard went missing, but the Coast Guard found it ashore. - this is a bit of a cliff-hanger. Does this mean it wrecked? What happened to all 700 ppl?
  • having struck the country 44 days earlier than normal. - does this refer to an average date of first impact? That's not immediately clear, if so.
  • the typhoon forced 43 factories to close - temporarily?

That's about it! I've also done some minor editing myself, so take a look and make sure I haven't inadvertently changed the meaning of any text. After you've addressed my few questions above, I'll take one final look and surely pass the article. – Juliancolton | Talk 04:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like everything's been taken care of (that was fast!). Passing. – Juliancolton | Talk 04:35, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A-class?

[edit]

Anyone care to review this for A-class? I'm planning on taking this to FAC in the future. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:43, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not seeing any obvious issues, so I'm inclined to up it. YE Pacific Hurricane 07:03, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Typhoon_Chanchu&oldid=1211152184"