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Requested move 4 May 2017

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The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 01:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]



– This reverts the article back to the base name title it had since it was created in 2007 until In ictu oculi moved it without discussion or explanation (much less an RM proposal) on March 30, 2017[1] after unilaterally deciding there is no primary topic for "Tokin" and putting a dab page he created at the base name. The dab page also includes a link to a newly created stub article he created about an obscure Soviet scientist named Boris P. Tokin. Page view stats indicate the original use of Tokin on WP remains the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Tokin [2]. Therefore the original move was unjustified and needs to be reverted. В²C 21:29, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm not sure any of them besides Boris P. Tokin would typically be sought just by "Tokin". Maybe NEC Tokin, but certainly not Mount Misumi[4] or Mercury silvering.--Cúchullain t/c 18:17, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Stop press: NEC Tokin last month was renamed Tokin Corporation; I've moved the article to the new name. jnestorius(talk) 22:40, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
BTW I messed up the pageviews URL above; corrected here. headgear is about double NEC, but there's also the shogi promoted-pawn, which it turns out was what motivated In ictu oculi to move the page. Shogi is 40x more common than headgear, but the promoted-pawn is only a small component of the shogi article. How, then, to weigh promoted-pawn relative to headgear? It seems we can't go by pageviews. So go by external sources or internal links; neither favour headgear. jnestorius(talk) 23:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my support due to the renaming of NEC Tokin to Tokin Corporation; the new name makes it ambiguous.--Cúchullain t/c 15:31, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia articles with "tokin" in the text

Special:Search/"NEC Tokin" -football gives 9 matches.

Special:Search/Tokin -Rogatywka[n 1]
Meaning Article count Examples
shogi promoted pawn 15 Micro shogi, Double Wing Attack, Utaibito Hane
Boris Tokin 2 Art belongs to the people (Leningrad, 1977), Phytoncide
headgear 1 Tengu
gilt 1 List of Cultural Properties of Japan - sculptures (Kyōto)

References

  1. ^ excluding Rogatywka to take out all the {{Hats}} transcludes; and excluding numerous Tokin' marijuana and NEC Tokin

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Appearance of yamabushi

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The Appearance of Yamabushi. Various items which yamabushi usually wear and bear are shown in this image. Tokin, Suzukake, Yuigesa, Horagai, Kyahan, Oi, Katabako, Irataka nenju, and Shakujō.

There is the description of yamabushi in the article yamabushi in the World Encyclopedia (世界大百科事典) published by Heibonsha, which is cited in the Kotobank page (See HERE). It says:

鈴懸(すずかけ)を着,結袈裟(ゆいげさ)を掛け,頭に斑蓋や兜巾(ときん)(頭巾),...,足に脚絆を着けて...,笈(おい)と肩箱を背負い,腕にいらたか念珠をわがね,手に金剛杖と錫杖(しやくじよう)を持って法螺(ほら)貝を吹くという山伏の服装は,このころからはじまった(図)。

— from the article yamabushi in the World Encyclopedia by Heibonsha

This means roughly:

(Yamabushi) wear suzukake, yuigesa (in their body), tokin on head, ... , kyahan at legs, ... , hold oi and katabako on their back, iratachi nenju in arm, kongōjaku and shakujō in hand, and blow horagai... The clothes of yamabushi in this style have started in around this period.

This website page is clearly shown as the Reference/Source in my edit. I have also added the image shown at the upper right-hand in the article page, which depicts the appearance of yamabushi. -- Flora fon Esth (talk) 18:21, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Flora fon Esth: thank you for adding sources; but is there a description of what these items of clothing or objects (that yamabushi wear) actually are? "tokin, suzukake, yuigesa, horagai, kyahan, oi, katabako, irataka nenju and shakujō" are mentioned, but there's no explanation of what these items are. Kyahan has an article link, so you could click that for a description, but the others are unexplained.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 12:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]