Talk:Timeline of the 2023–2024 mpox epidemic

Requested move 18 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Timeline of the 2023–2024 mpox epidemic. consistency with the parent article (non-admin closure) HueMan1 (talk) 10:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

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Timeline of the African mpox epidemic → Timeline of the 2023 Mpox epidemic – The title of the main page (African mpox epidemic) is under heavy contention, with most users in favour of changing the name to include the year of origin and remove the region of origin Dinercoffee (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Support but wait until the parent article is moved, and call it "Timeline of (whatever they decide to move the parent article to)". Benpiano800 (talk) 18:36, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment - agreed, this seems like the best course of action. Dinercoffee (talk) 20:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Retain lowercase for mpox; no opinion on the other aspects. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Lower case for mpox: I see no reason to specify the continent unless there are similar articles for other continents. The year used depends on when the epidemic, as such, started. SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Is this the same outbreak as the 2022–2023 mpox outbreak? Note that the African mpox epidemic article is being proposed to be moved to 2024 mpox epidemic, not 2023 mpox epidemic (or 2023 Mpox epidemic). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

No, this is regarding the African mpox epidemic article. I believe the best course of action would be to follow @Benpiano800's recommendation and rename this to 'Timeline of the <parent article>' when that has been finalized. Dinercoffee (talk) 04:13, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

African mpox epidemic has since been redirected to 2022–2023 mpox outbreak (see Talk:2023–2024 mpox epidemic § Requested move 15 August 2024). —Bagumba (talk) 08:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Mpox cases suspected of being clade Ib variant origin, but later shown to be of other variant origin

Background: I'm a doctor, and I have to admit, it is very easy to get confused with the different clades, media reporting and new cases of mpox being reported. Strictly, this page/article should cover mpox cases caused by the [new] clade Ib variant of the virus. This, the (2023-2024) mpox epidemic is caused by the clade Ib variant.

Previously, we had the 2022–2023 mpox outbreak. In terms of emergency status, in May 2023, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared an end to this public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC). The 2022-2023 outbreak was caused by the clade IIb virus variant. It might be understandable that many people thought mpox transmission (caused by the clade IIb variant) disappeared, but it hasn't. Without figures to hand, I suspect that at present, there are still far more new mpox cases caused by either the clade IIb variant (or the clade I variant), rather than the new clade Ib variant that is of major concern.

Since the new (2023-2024) mpox epidemic (or PHEIC) was declared by the WHO, suddenly there are lots of media reports on mpox. New cases of mpox, that wouldn't have previously been covered, are being reported in the news.

Situation: Many of the cases listed on this timeline were only described as 'confirmed mpox cases'. The clade variant was not given, and looking at the references, the clade was unknown at that time. Understandably, before the clade was known there was 'suspicion' that they were clade Ib in origin.

What should we do with entries related to mpox cases of suspected but unconfirmed or (yet) unknown clade status?

Response so far: I have followed (most) cases up (except one, in Malawi, which I will do shortly). In all but one case was later confirmed as not being caused by the clade Ib variant. I've updated these cases stating that they were later confirmed as not being caused by the clade Ib variant, and referenced them accordingly. I haven't deleted any suspected cases that were later shown not to be clade Ib in origin, not without consensus. I understand this page (and declared epidemic) is new with few entries at present - part of me doesn't want to discourage people from contributing by having them come back and find all their contribution is deleted, without knowing why, but eventually this page could end up cluttered with irrelevant entries.

Possible responses:

Add a new section, moving suspected cases that were later disproved as being clade Ib variant origin to this section, along with supporting citations, perhaps giving a heading like 'Suspected cases later confirmed as being of non-clade Ib origin' (suggestions welcome).

Deleting suspected cases once disproved as being of clade Ib variant origin (perhaps adding a section on the talk page giving the source used to confirm the case). Even if this isn't the best response at present, this may be needed for an article clear up later.

Continue (as I have) updating suspected cases once the clade status is known as not being clade Ib variant origin, with citations.

Treatment in the main 2023-2024 mpox epidemic article: Here, infections in countries suspected of being of clade Ib origin but later shown to be of clade II variant origin are being moved to a separate section "Clade II infections" (this is my thinking behind adding a new section).

Montezuma69 (talk) 16:33, 22 August 2024 (UTC)