Talk:Teuta

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Date	Process	Result
July 8, 2010	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 15, 2009.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Queen Teuta of Issa, who briefly ruled Illyria in the 3rd century BC, is depicted on the Albanian 100 lekë coin?

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Archive 1

From Issa?!

The reference shows just a description of Issa. Is Issa her birthplace? The mentione of here name in relation with Issa is only at the moment that she met roman envoys while she was besieging Issa [1] [2]. All the sources refere to her as simple Queen Teuta Aigest (talk) 13:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Teuta of Illyria/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Claritas § 19:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
The only issues here is the statement that "She was not really called Queen by Appian", which is both too casual and unclear, and some comma/punctuation issues which can be sorted out by a quick copy/edit. Put citations after punctuation, not before.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
No issues here, I think it is very well sourced.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
I think it's generally good, but I think some more biographical detail might be required - are approximate dates of birth/death recorded ? What happened to Illyria after her rule was "dismembered" ? It didn't become a Roman Province until 165 B.C.E. Who succeeded her ?
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
No issues here.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
This is picky, but I think you might want a more explanatory caption for the map of the Illryian wars - "A map showing...." maybe ?
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
I'm going to put this on hold pending improvements to the article. Good work so far ! Claritas § 19:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1st wave of tweaking in accordance with the upper criteria - done! Er-vet-en (say) 06:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some style editing myself, and, considering the obscurity of the topic and what little information is available, I think this meets WP:GAC. Claritas § 19:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Updating the page : Important

I Serbiakos want to edit this page. Everything will be the same as it was but now it will be more informative and updated and with more detail. Check my other pages I edited. e.g: Gentius, Bardyllis, Glaukias, Monunius of Dardania etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serbiakos (talk • contribs) 12:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion to copyvio version

I've just reverted to version 430763610 dated 25 May 2011 having taken advice from the copyvio experts. That version was GA. New material was introduced on 5 June 2011 and survived a minor edit war. It contains at least some copy-paste from Wilkes. I can't find out how much, as Wilkes is no-preview on the net, but some, and the account that introduced the copyvio is an indef-blocked sock of an account that is also indef-blocked -- for copyvio. I apologise to editors whose good work may have been overridden by this action, but it seemed the only clear way to get rid of copyvio. --Stfg (talk) 16:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up note: Copyvio revisions have been removed from history after being reinserted (and the editor[s] have a history of reinserting such content). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:43, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Direct involvement

Was Teuta directly involved in the piracy, or was she merely waging it from a distance? Asarelah (talk) 16:31, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 February 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move. The histmerge has already been completed. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Teuta of Illyria → Teuta – The most appropriate article name would be simply Teuta, as per common name. "Teuta of Illyria" is very scarcely used in sources. She was never the ruler of Illyria (and never titled as such). In reality, she ruled parts of Illyria, and was the queen of the Ardiaei. Gbooks hits (-llc -wiki): "Teuta of Illyria"-51, "Teuta, queen"-322, "Queen Teuta"-397. Zoupan 03:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Histmerge the target was cut-and-pasted to this article in 2009. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 05:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I histmerged. The text edits are at Teuta of Illyria. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Teuta would be better.--Hyphantes (talk) 02:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Teuta should be a disambiguation page, as on German Wikipedia: de:Teuta. Some sort of disambiguation is necessary in thetitle of the current article to distinguish between her and other people called Teuta , such as Teuta Arifi, Teuta Topi, Teuta Selimi, Teuta Krasniqi and things such as KF Teuta Durrës. There is also an Albanian magazine called Teuta Magazine.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:51, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you as per common name and other naming guidelines. She is the Teuta. You bring up German wikipedia, but not the rest, which all use "Teuta". A hatnote should be added to this article - Teuta (disambiguation).--Zoupan 15:05, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Teuta, as per common name, or else Teuta (queen).--Zoupan 02:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Rhizon

The original text of the article was this: “she acted as regent for her young stepson Pinnes with the royal seat in Rhizon<ref>{{harvnb|Wilkes|1995|p=177}}.</ref> (in the Gulf of Kotor, modern Montenegro).”

Wilkes on page 177 does not tell anything like this. He instead says: “the otherwise unknown ’Ballaios’ or ’king Ballaios’, who appear to have ruled after 168 BC at Queen Teuta's old stronghold Rhizon (Risan).” Rhizon was indeed one of the many strongholds of Teuta (and probably that of Agron, too) which otherwise was the main base of the Illyrian fleet, and this was the place where Teuta retreated in 229BC (see also Wilkes, p. 161.). But noone says nowhere that it was the seat of the kingdom. There are much discussions going on, whether Lissus or Scodra (sometimes Medeon also included) was the seat of the Illyrian kingdom (if there was a single one), but Rhizon has never been addressed as a candidate for the Illyrian capital.

I therefore removed this place and added the page number on which Wilkes in fact talks about “she acted as regent for her young stepson Pinnes” Pasztilla (talk) 19:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

I have flagged 19th-century sources as per WP:AGE MATTERS. I'll help you replace them with more reliable sources. There is no factual error in the article, but sources from this period are mostly useless since they are just repeating what the ancient authors were writing, with no knowledge of recent discoveries (not their fault) and no textual criticism (such as telling the Gallic Wars from Caesar's point of view as if modern historians were telling the Iraq War from George W. Bush's point of view). As far as I know, Strickland & Strickland were not historians so they are definitely not a reliable source. Again, I'll help you with the references, I've added Derow for the intro and a short text from Elsie. Azerty82 (talk) 01:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

"þiudans" means "people", not "king". It's the same word for "Dutch" and "Deutsch".188.172.108.82 (talk) 19:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me but Agron and Teuta are Illyrians!Albanians provine from Illyrians not greeks!!!

We albanians have our roots from Illyrians not the greek people! 178.175.62.134 (talk) 11:08, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]