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On 6 May 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from East Asian cultural sphere to Sinosphere. The result of the discussion was moved.

Pages using "East Asia" in place of the Sinosphere

I opened a move discussion on Talk:Seal (East Asia)#Requested move 3 July 2024 -> "Seals in the Sinosphere". Invite others to participate in it.

This page isn't alone though; there's more pages that use "East Asia" when they should be using "Sinosphere" or some similar term. For example, East Asian age reckoning; Vietnam use(s/d) the age reckoning, so "East Asia" isn't strictly correct. I'll be keeping an eye out for more pages like this.

Depending on how the seal move discussion goes, I'll consider opening move discussions on other pages that similarly leave out Vietnam. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 10:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's difficult: while the broadest audience may or may not include or exclude Vietnam when they hear "East Asia", "Sinosphere" is essentially a technical term, so I pause when adopting it systematically in all articles, even if it is more accurate. As one may imagine, there's considerable reservations about the term in some scholarship also, but in my personal opinion it is very difficult to have a term that both accurately identifies the origin and largest "constituent" of a cultural region, while adequately communicating the cosmopolitan and multifaceted nature of said cultural region: I think "Sinosphere" is about the best we've done so far, as "sino-" correctly identifies the particular place of China but omits much of the lexical assumption one might include when hearing "Chinese" as such (e.g. specific ethnic, national, or linguistic character)

That is to say, replacing "East Asia" with "Sinosphere" in titles essentially prioritizes precision over recognizability and naturalness per the naming convention criteria: I'm fine with that, but we should be clear that that's our priority here. Remsense诉 16:30, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with your take and well articulated, thanks. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 00:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

East Asian culture

@Remsense, both Culture of East Asia and East Asian cultural sphere redirect to this page, but this page is only narrowly focused on Chinese cultural elements that are found throughout East Asia, rather than giving a proper understanding of all relevant cultural elements (such as Western-origin elements). GreekApple123 (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right—so what is being disambiguated? If I typed in those things and got here, there's no confusion at any point. If anything, you'd want to retarget the redirect. Remsense ‥ 论 19:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I've gone ahead and retargeted the redirects. Thanks GreekApple123 (talk) 19:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mongolia

Mongolia is also a part of the Sinosphere, yet not represented in the main map. Should we amend this? 203.46.132.214 (talk) 03:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly not, if you actually read the article. Remsense ‥ 论 04:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Different colors?

Could we maybe use different colors to represent "how much" culturally linked they are the Chinese civilization? I could definitely make one JingJongPascal (talk) 13:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that would serve no purpose, and would frankly miscommunicate whatever you actually wanted to visualize with that.

I wish we didn't use any maps in this article given they are totally unnecessary: seeing colored state boundaries communicates nothing to the reader that a plain list of polities or locales doesn't. Remsense ‥ 论 14:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]