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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 17:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Statue of Shin Iza Gawna.

... that after obtaining the philosopher's stone, the monk Shin Iza Gawna caused gold and silver to rain down in Pagan, bringing great wealth to his followers? Source: https://news-eleven.com/article/292466
- Reviewed:

Created by Hteiktinhein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

This will not be a full review but DYK hooks need to be factual. If we run with this hook, we need to do something like ALT1: ... that according to legend, after obtaining the philosopher's stone, the monk Shin Iza Gawna caused gold and silver to rain down in Pagan, bringing great wealth to his followers? Bremps... 06:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

agreed! Thanks for new hook but full review needed. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, please... I have an image of the monk's statue, and I’m trying to find it in my iCloud. I will upload it to Wiki Commons soon. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo added. It's good time to full review. Hteiktinhein (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: New enough and long enough. AGF on hook fact locked behind Snippet View and written in Burmese; also AGF on paraphrasing. Image should not be used, unless we can ascertain that the statue is public domain. Per commons:COM:FOP Myanmar, there is no FOP in Myanmar; consequently, although the image may have been freely licensed in good faith, the statue may preclude it from being true. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the PD Myanmar license since the stone statue was installed in 1966, which is over 50 years ago. This allows us to use the picture under the PD Myanmar license. Thanks. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hteiktinhein. We'll also need a US FOP template, because technically the statue is still under copyright in the United States due to the URAA. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, however, i'm ok promote without image. Thanks Hteiktinhein (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, good to go. I am still uncomfortable with the image on the MP, just given the interaction between US and Myanmar/Burmese copyright laws. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hteiktinhein and Crisco 1492: Source 2 is an opinion piece, source 5 looks like a webpage with no editorial control, and source 6 is a YouTube video. Are we sure these are reliable? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had AGFed on the foreign-language sources, but looking closer... Source 2 reads like a travelogue, so yeah, it might be good for oral history (a big part of SE Asian culture) but I'm not seeing what exactly it's supporting (and it would have to be attributed properly) and should be better supported. I'm not able to access Source 5. Source 6 is by Ashin Aggadhamma, an abbott who did his PhD on Buddhism in Burma, so I think he meets the reliability guidelines for WP:SELFPUBLISHED. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No non-bot edits to the article since September, despite the review above. With issues remaining unaddressed and the nom now being two months old, this is marked for closure per WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Woodrich, I exlpained already and tell me what is the problem? Hteiktinhein (talk) 10:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did specifically say that a) I wasn't sure exactly what [2] was supporting, and [5] was inaccessible to me. Those should be addressed. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If source link is dead, you can online by web.archive. If you can't, sure I will do it for you. Hteiktinhein (talk) 03:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source 2 is travel documentary news by a reporter from Eleven Media Group, featuring the origins of the pagodas in Bagan. The article states:

(In Burmese):
"ပုဂံမှ ကျေးဇူးရှင် ဆရာတော်နှစ်ပါး
ပုဂံတွင် ကျေးဇူးရှင်ဆရာ တော်နှစ်ပါးမှာ ရှင်အရဟံနှင့် ရှင်မထီး (ရှင် အဇ္ဇဂေါဏ) တို့ဖြစ်သည်။
ပုဂံတွင် လက်ညှိုးထိုးမလွဲ ဘုရားစေတီ တော်များ တည်ထားကိုးကွယ်နိုင်ခြင်းမှာ ရှင်မ ထီး (ခေါ်) အရှင်အဇ္ဇဂေါဏ၏ ကျေးဇူး ကြောင့်ပင်ဖြစ်သည်။
လှည်းဝင်ရိုးသံတညံညံ၊ ပုဂံဘုရားပေါင်း ဆိုသော စာဆိုအတိုင်း ရှေးအခါက ပုဂံတွင် စေတီ ၄ç၄၄၆ç၇၃၃ ဆူရှိသည်ဟု ယုံကြည် ပြောဆိုမှုများရှိကြသည်။ ထိုကဲ့သို့ များပြားလှသည့် စေတီပုထိုးများကို တည်ထားကိုးကွယ်နိုင်ခြင်း မှာ ရှင်အဇ္ဇဂေါဏသည် ပြဒါးအောင်ပြီး ဒါယ ကာ၊ ဒါယိကာမတို့ကို မစခဲ့သဖြင့် ဖြစ်သည်ဟု ယုံကြည်ကြသည်။ ရှင်အဇ္ဇဂေါဏ မစခဲ့ခြင်း ကြောင့် သာမာန်အရပ်သားနှင့် မုဆိုးမပင် လျှင် ဘုရားတစ်ဆူတည်ထားနိုင်သည်ဟု ဒေ သတွင်း ယုံကြည်မှုအခိုင်အမာရှိသည်။ ရှင်မ ထီးသည် ပြဒါးလုံး၊ ဓာတ်လုံးအောင်ခဲ့ပြီး (သံ၊ သတ္တုများကို တို့လိုက်လျှင် ရွှေဖြစ်စေသည်ဟု ဆိုသည်"

(Translation): "Two benefactor monks from Bagan
In Bagan, the two benevolent monks are Shin Arahan and Shin Mahtee (also known as Shin Iza Gawna).
The ability to build and worship pagodas throughout Bagan is attributed to the grace of Shin Iza Gawna.

According to historical texts, it is believed that in ancient times there were 4,446,733 pagodas in Bagan. This extensive number of stupas was possible because Shin Iza Gawna attained the status of a weizza (a semi-immortal with magical powers). After mastering a powerful elixir, he used his magic to create gold, helping his followers become wealthy. As a result, even ordinary civilians and poor widows could afford to build pagodas."

and source 5 is currently dead, and you can access it at Wayback Machine [1]. Of course, you may have questions about dhammadarna.com. That website has no editorial control because it is set up by a monastery, and I'm also unsure of its reliability. So, I’d like to offer this source from the official website of the Shwedagon Pagoda Organization, which is reliable. I have added it to the article. Apologies for the delayed reply, as I just gained internet access and am currently managing my three DYKs at the same time. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks. Hteiktinhein (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: I have addressed all the questions, so please review this as soon as possible. I am available 24/7 to answer any further questions. This article has already undergone extensive review by other editors, and if anyone intentionally delays further review, I cannot tolerate it and will report it to the appropriate forum. Delays in the review process are not my responsibility. Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing this per WP:DYKTIMEOUT.--Laun chba ller 17:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]