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We should add something about the Sabean colonization of Africa Abo Yemen 07:41, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to but since you mention it i did now.Pogenplain (talk) 08:14, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This merge seems to have been very contentious in /Archive 1#Proposal to merge Sheba with Sabaeans. Is it now the actual consensus? --Joy (talk) 09:42, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Til Eulenspiegel, the person who was most opposed to that merge, is a globally blocked user notoriously known for sockpuppetry and trying to impose a pro-African view of articles related to Sheba by citing the bible. Now, I don't know what this article looked like 11 years ago when that discussion took place but quoting Til from that discussion ("the current scope of this article is Biblical interpretation") shows that that isn't the case now (as in before the merge). Those two articles pretty much overlapped and there isn't a reason to keep those articles separate.
Pinging @Doug Weller, @Wdford and @يوسف حسين who all participated in that discussion Abo Yemen 10:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As you say, the article is very different now. Why not merge? Doug Weller talk 10:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree that the kingdom and the people be covered in the same article, but it is surprising to find that article at Sheba. I suspect, however, that it will be hard to get it moved to Saba. Srnec (talk) 21:49, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problems with moving it to Saba tho it is currently a disamb page Abo Yemen 07:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there's many topics known as Saba today so this can hardly be the sole primary topic.
Would it make sense to use Kingdom of Saba instead? Or something like Saba (Arabia)? --Joy (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Joy: Kingdom of Saba is a bit inaccurate as it wasn't always a kingdom, as "mukarribs" ruled for a while, and Saba (Arabia) makes it sound like a geographic region. How about we move it to Saba' as it redirects to it? Abo Yemen 15:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Does this detail distinguish the topic sufficiently? --Joy (talk) 15:55, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It does change it's pronunciation from /ˈseɪbə/ to /ˈsəbə/ if im not wrong Abo Yemen 16:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How about Saba (state)? Abo Yemen 16:38, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
pinging @Pogenplain since he was interested in the name change stuff in the other article Abo Yemen 17:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer Sheba over Saba' or Saba (state). Maybe move disambig to Saba (disambiguation) and Sheba to Saba? Kingdom of Saba is possible also, I dont think rulers using the mukarrib title makes it not a kingdom. Hadhramaut rulers used "mukarrib" sometimes and we have Kingdom of Hadhramaut. Pogenplain (talk) 17:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hadhramaut rulers used "mukarrib" sometimes and we have Kingdom of Hadhramaut.
The name "Kingdom of Hadhramaut exists nowhere in the article but in the lead section. We should move that article too Abo Yemen 18:12, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a source that says the mukarrib is ruler of other than a kingdom? Avanzini interchanges the "mukarrib" and his "kingdom" https://www.google.com/books/edition/A_Port_in_Arabia_Between_Rome_and_the_In/H-pGsZR1wkcC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA626&printsec=frontcover Pogenplain
"Robin dated the kingdom of Yashhuril to the beginning of the first century AD and considers him to have been the last ASA sovereign to take the title of mukarrib." (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tbh idrk if there is a difference but if that's the case then i got np with the kingdom of saba name. We should open an RM btw Abo Yemen 18:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Arid_Lands_in_Roman_Times_Papers_from_th/UPW4CwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA143&printsec=frontcover Pogenplain (talk) 18:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 January 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against per WP:COMMONNAME. (closed by non-admin page mover) Cremastra (talk) 20:34, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]


ShebaKingdom of Saba – A more appropriate name to use than the biblical name per the previous discussion in Talk:Sheba#recent merge Abo Yemen 18:50, 17 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:45, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging users that participated in the previous discussion: @Joy @Doug Weller @Srnec @Pogenplain Abo Yemen 18:52, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Pogenplain (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning oppose. Oxford Reference has two articles on this topic: "Sheba" in the Oxford Encyclopedia of Archaeology in the Near East and "Sabaeans" in the Oxford Dictionary of Late Antiquity. It is not the primary topic for "Saba", unfortunately. Srnec (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per common name. anikom15 (talk) 07:19, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.