Talk:Seeman

His parent name is Sebastian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4072:6D86:EEFE:A7F1:4F9:CF6C:22A7 (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.181.229.112 (talk) 05:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Untitled

Edit Req: The founder of Naam Tamilar Iyakkam -> Mr. Athithanar now it is taken care by Sebastian simon

Unsourced biographical material removed

I removed wholly unsourced biographical material from the article, and per a request from WP:RFPP, semi-protected it for 3 days. Hopefully this will allow time for editors to research in order to find some WP:RS/WP:V secondary sources. Cirt (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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Removed some BLP violating content

I haven't checked the remainder of the article yet, but will do so later if someone else doesn't beat me to it. Do not restore such content back in. —SpacemanSpiff 18:42, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Recent disputes

Here's a list of sources disputed in the recent disagreements, based on [1]:

• 2011 Anti-Congress Campaigning:
  • http://truthdive.com/2011/04/20/seeman-effect-on-congress-party.html
  • http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/naam-tamilar-katchi-to-work-for-defeat-of-cong-in-tn/584531.html
  • http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2011/5/66991_space.html
• 2012 to present
  • http://onlineuthayan.com/english-news/uthayannews/x2645303h1h1r2p2
  • http://forumasile.org/2013/03/20/high-profile-politician-from-tamil-nadu-india-mr-sebastian-seeman-arrives-in-geneva-to-push-for-an-independent-investigation-on-human-rights-abuses-in-sri-lanka/
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsk1lduZT4s
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55jDacA98ZA
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVY1SqqPyh0
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNZ0pTPKnEU

Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Surname

Several conflicting edits have surfaced regarding the surname of the person, such as Sebastian, but most of the sources cited in these edits fail WP:RS and the very few that do has not been consistent with the usage of that surname as evidenced by my reverts, nor is there any substantial inline research to validate their stand. As of now, these sources include three popular Indian dailies namely The Hindu, New Indian Express and Times of India. While one or two articles have used the surname, the majority of the articles have appeared without it.

• List of articles under Seeman at NewIE

• The Hindu

• TOI

Apparently, there is no established ground for using that term unless background research or official clarifications from the person himself is on paper. Moreover the official website concerning Seeman and his party refers to him by only Seeman or Senthamizhan Seeman(his paternal name) and there is no mention of Sebastian wheresoever. Hence, objectors are welcome to please discuss this fact and clarify some valid notions behind including that surname.--CuCl₂ ^{(chat spy acquaint)} 10:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

--I like how you(CUCL2) have gone around updating the "native name" in various other wiki articles where it suits you. I am just holding the article here to the same standards. RE your argument: A person's surname/fullname is never used all the time when being addressed and because it is not used in all cases it cannot be said the surname doesnt exist leave alone calling it wrong. Wikipedia being like a encyclopedia/dictionary is supposed to have the persons full name apart from his/her native name which you are helping with in other articles. The persons surname has been referenced from "some" credible sources(by your own admission) that have been around for more than a 100 years(the hindu).

--Of course given the "official" stand of the party against non Tamil names, it would be suicidal to expose the party leader's non Tamil birth name. It makes sense for the party and its supporters to hide it as much as possible. Especially Sebastian Seeman is known for his vitriolic rhetoric against naming anything with non-Tamil names, it is important to expose his Christian/non-Tamil name.

(towhomamireplyingto?),

First, I would like to reiterate that Wikipedia is not a platform to 'expose'. The so-called surname Sebastian is supported by mostly sources which fail to meet WP:RS or finds inconsistent use in the very few sources that do. Apparently from the above references I have attached for your consideration including the very old The Hindu, you will be able to see that, a large majority of the news articles have appeared and continue to appear with the mention of just Seeman and without any surname. So it is safe to say the commonly recognizable name is what is present in the article as per my latest edits.

Any material suggesting otherwise some thing else should have a secondary source (WP:inline citation) to support the editor's interpretation. For example refer to the BLPs of Rajinikanth or Sivaji Ganesan. There exists a birth name different than that of the article titles(currently commonly recognizable name), which are backed by citations that those are indeed their respective birth names. In your case however, a handful of articles though apparently claim reference to the same person, fails to substantiate on the origin of the name nor accounts for verfiability(WP:V) that, whether the name mentioned is exact as the person's birth name.

And last but not the least, remember Wikipedia articles especially WP:BLPs are not tabloids, so sensationalist and opinionated claims cannot be included, and do not misuse primary sources for your own POV. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. So citing several sources at go is no alibi and simply constitutes WP:OR which as you might no is prohibited here.

Regards, --CuCl₂ ^{(chat spy acquaint)} 13:00, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

"Rajnikanth" is a screen name, different from his original name but, adding a surname to a name makes it complete and not different. If Hindu and Express are not very reliable sources for citing a person's name correctly and if this requires that high a level of research, I can only imagine the amount of proof and original research that would be needed to substantiate a single individuals contribution to the defeat of a party in an election in the largest democracy in the world. Since you dont have a problem with the "Seeman effect on the congress party", please point out to me the original research that has gone into that section and I will try to come up with the same quality of work and substantiate Sebastian's name. What was so "sensational and opinionated" about his brothers name? Why was that removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:1C80:B9F:646A:8A3E:C3AE:2C14 (talk) 17:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Reply, Please be informed or at least inform yourself when participating at a talk page. I have repeatedly linked you to WP:BLP, WP:V, WP:Inline citations and WP:NOR. By your own acceptance, you have stated that BLP articles like Rajinikanth are driven by their commonly recognizable names rather than their other possible aliases. So in this case, the name Seeman is the commonly recognized name, while references to his name including Sebastian is of a far lesser number. I have already pointed out links for that comparison.

• List of articles under Seeman at NewIE

• The Hindu

• TOI

So, please provide sources that do not only merely mention of the person's surname but also with supplementary information of its origin or since when has it been in use/out of use. Otherwise the name which is given the majority of the articles will be in use. As of now There is simply no way to verify that the person has a surname or whether Sebastian is indeed the surname of the person. Get my drift? And I suppose this discussion is pertaining to one thing, and your analogy of the individual's conquest of a party would take this off-topic. Just in case, that section is backed by sources which explains the content in the material, unlike in your case, where you are drawing your own interpretations.

--CuCl₂ ^{(chat spy acquaint)} 18:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Note: Also note, this is the only name mentioned in the official party website, which you keep deliberately reverting in your edits. So if you want to prove some thing he isn't (like when you alleged he was hiding his religion or surname), your sources must explain in detail relevant information pertaining to the same. All your allegations and interpretations constitute WP:OR, and reverting verified material for WP:OR that suits your WP:POV may result you getting blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you.--CuCl₂ ^{(chat spy acquaint)} 18:40, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

The article on Rajini mention his real name and I am holding the article here to the same standards, just like what you;ve done with your other edits for native names. Where is the proof or the sources that explain his name is Seeman or the " supplementary information of its origin" and that his first name is NOT Sebastian that is different from those that mention his first name is Sebastian? Again why does adding a surname to a name make it different leave alone defame the person? What is so defamatory about the name Sebastian? Why is one article from a website more credible than the other? Please explain what I have interpreted/alleged in the main article on display? I am merely adding a person's surname name from sources. Why is a person's name subjective information? I am not questioning "Seemans effect on congress" for what the section says but I am just asking where the substantiation/sources for the contents in this section is coming from that you see it to be credible enough to be there that is absent in other sources. Where is the original research and the supplementary information that is absent from the sources that I've included that is present in these articles? Please explain so I can provide them. And again what is so defamatory about mentioning he has a brother? I've quoted multiple sources here, are there sources that mention he doesnt have a brother? What was that removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:1C80:B9F:646A:8A3E:C3AE:2C14 (talk) 19:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Reply

• I have already presented my case regarding the use of <Seeman> outnumbering <Sebastian Seeman> in the number of articles across reliable sources(The Indian Express, TOI, Hindu). Hence the popular and commonly referred name is the former and not the latter with the surname; likewise for Rajinikanth over Shivaji Rao Gaikand. Please understand, this has nothing to do with native names and what not.

• If you want to include this so-called surname, you can incorporate it AFTER PROVIDING verifiable sources that it was/continues to be his surname. Since none of the sources you cite, specifically designates it as his surname nor are they from his official documents like his passport or birth document, and since the official website mentions of no surname, it will not be incorporated unless you can prove its existence and validity.

• In short, the use of Sebastian is contentious, given its both omitted from the official website and lacking mention in the clear majority of articles. And it is obvious from your earlier comments, that you are inserting the same with the intention to 'expose'(technically defame) the person. The inference that it must be his surname/birth name is your own interpretation, as none of the sources specify it being one, a clear case of WP:OR.

If you continue to unilaterally revert my edits without substantiating for the above three points(which have been clearly outlined to you several times over since the start of the dispute), you will be reported to the WP:ANI for further action.--CuCl₂ ^{(chat spy acquaint)} 20:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Please complain, lets take it up with the authorities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:1C80:B9F:646A:8A3E:C3AE:2C14 (talk) 20:34, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

To "expose" something means to uncover it, make known and lay it out in the open, the reason wikipedia exists. The common usage may mean to lay open to danger and to attack. See what happens when the lesser known, less commonly used synonyms are not made well known?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:9:1C80:B9F:646A:8A3E:C3AE:2C14 (talk) 20:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Reply In Wikipedia, you do not revert unless a consensus is reached in the discussion or you have comprehensively clarified with the other editors. Also inform yourself on WP:3RR which you have violated in more than a single occasion. The official website mentions only Seeman and clearly no surname exists. That is the name to be used as long as you cannot provide evidence of his surname(The newspaper articles could have mistakenly added it for the very small number of articles your referencing;in any case we go by the majority of the articles which DO NOT mention a surname). Anyways, Im bringing this to the administrators' notice like you had sought for. Clear case of POV pushing going by your earlier comments.--CuCl₂ ^{(chat spy acquaint)} 17:13, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

His real name is sebastien simon Rakibhai (talk) 04:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

His real name is Simon

His real name is Simon. வந்தேறிக்கு வந்தேறி !

Please update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.65.89.98 (talk) 06:55, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Amaa da naan Simon thaan enna ippo Seeman10 (talk) 23:54, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2016

Mr. Seeman is not the Founder of Naam Tamilar Katchi. He is the Chief Coordinator of the party. Kindly make this edit in the template. Ganusulaiman (talk) 04:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

 Done - Arjayay (talk) 06:54, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Check the Details Once more

Hi I'm from TamilNadu,. here Seeman was not called by Senthamizhan Seeman. his wellvishres only called him like that. I know his name is Seeman Sebastian. . Please check it once more. -Sagotharan Jegadeeswaran (talk) 09:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

This is stupid basically. One's name is determined by what he has given in legal documents or what his parents have named him. Not the way some random propagandist name him. If you doubt once again try visiting Tamil Nadu and ask his name to people. I'm too from Tamil Nadu, and these arguments calling him Simon are literal crap. 2409:40F4:112D:D654:255A:2454:BF0E:B7EF (talk) 11:04, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

You are wrong, places where his name is mentioned as Sebastian like http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/director-seeman-arrested-and-deported-from-canada/article55523.ece , http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/champion-of-tamil-tigers-booted-out-of-canada/article1347721/ , http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Seeman-Gets-Bail-in-Melur-Tollgate-Staff-Attack-Case/2014/07/20/article2339662.ece , http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/06/04/rape-charged-leveled-against-film-director-and-ltte-supporter-sebastian-seeman-actre etc are all spelling mistakes or printing errors like his highly intelligent sentamizh supporters have argued, just like they believe that he won the 2016 election and is the chief minister. The wiki article on Seeman is a figment of his supporters' imagination in the make believe world they live in where Seeman rules the world  :). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:641:200:8531:BAEE:65FF:FEBC:9102 (talk) 08:16, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Getting a vote share of 8.2% without bribing even a rupee to the voters is basically beyond reality in Tamil Nadu, but he did this. No other party could do this. Giving 50% seats to women canditates is a utopian dream even in the west, but he did it in every single election he faced. He is not celebrated for winning the 2016 elections, instead for his straight forwardness and progressive ideals. I don't support him either(for several other reasons), but his notion to fight is undeniable. 2409:40F4:112D:D654:255A:2454:BF0E:B7EF (talk) 11:09, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2016

Please remove the words "Nadar" and "thevar", this is wrong informations.

Is Senthamizhan his real name?  Is that information right? All these places show his name is  Sebastian Seeman http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/director-seeman-arrested-and-deported-from-canada/article55523.ece , http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/champion-of-tamil-tigers-booted-out-of-canada/article1347721/ , http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Seeman-Gets-Bail-in-Melur-Tollgate-Staff-Attack-Case/2014/07/20/article2339662.ece , http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/06/04/rape-charged-leveled-against-film-director-and-ltte-supporter-sebastian-seeman-actre

Where was your concern for false information then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:641:200:297B:BAEE:65FF:FEBC:9102 (talk) 05:06, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Jeganmmk89 (talk) 10:33, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 16:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2016

Seeman is against division of people based on caste, religion, or any other divisive criteria. When this is the case, mentioning Seeman is from Nadar Family is against his standpoint. I hereby request to delete the words "in a nadar family" under section "Early Life". Thanks for considering my request.. Naam Thamizhar, Nammae Thamizhar.. Sureshsince82 (talk) 04:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

You are autoconfirmed and can edit yourself now. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 22:42, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2016

Wish to edit post on account of it being a dud with minimal source verification and research.

113.193.199.58 (talk) 21:38, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: This is not an edit request. Topher385 (talk) 21:58, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017

Delete all the contents under 2017 Jallikattu protests. Source not authentic Seeman runs a fringe political outfit and he is trying to gain credits for 2017 Jallikattu protests through wikipedia.. 2017 Jallikattu protests were purely carried out by Students and political parties were not allowed to participate.. VK (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:57, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2017

Inlcude that Seeman was a pro-supporter of Dravidian politics from 2006-2011 and he was against Hindu religion during those days. Seeman contested in 2006 against Jayalalitha in Andipatti under the DMK symbol. Also Seeman, promised to marry an Eelam widow, whereas later on he got married to the daughter of former ADMK minister. Raju raju90 (talk) 19:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:57, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2017

His Full Name is : Sebastian Seeman 2601:646:8081:9471:1CD4:CFA6:75B3:7CF1 (talk) 13:39, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2017

Troyred (talk) 06:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — IVORK _Discuss 08:28, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2017

Seeman seems to not be the birth name of this politician. HIs birth name , as quoted very widely in the media is Sebastian Simon. If this is true, why is this christian birthname being hidden and seeman being portrayed as a hindu or whatever. Something is not ok. Sbadrinarayanan (talk) 09:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2018

The Facebook page link to Seeman's not official or the account not active. I am giving the offical page link below

https://www.facebook.com/senthamizhanseeman/ 2405:204:D10A:54C9:5938:3552:7B34:859E (talk) 16:49, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done Simplexity22 (talk) 04:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2018

Priyabrata11 (talk) 15:08, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Please write the full name of Seeman as Sebastian Seeman as the later is his real name full name.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please also note the extensive discussion of this previously (further up) on this talk page - consensus is probably necessary to make a change at this point. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 02:47, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2018

203.129.244.117 (talk) 15:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

 Already done Obviously, it is already done. Dolotta (talk) 16:07, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2019

223.181.236.87 (talk) 18:58, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

he is not entitled for the wikipedia he had done only false statements the TAMIL PEOPLES IN SRI LANKA are safe due to this person they are suffering a lot he is not an Politician in Tamil Nadu it seff he an some other personal issues are criticizing beyond the limit i do respect but please do ignore him and other co fellows like VAIKO T M GANDHI Nor others then means we wont respect you WHO EVER TRY TO SPOIL OUR TAMIL CULTURE

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 22:24, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Seeman

Many original informations about this page have been concealed. Dkk230 (talk) 19:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2020

Rasu Madhavaran's to Rasu Madhuravan's Nrmadhavan90 (talk) 16:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Please do the requested name change Nrmadhavan90 (talk) 16:55, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 19:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Name

At least one news source: The Hindu and non-Indian government source MFA Lanka refer to him as Sebastian Seeman. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree, there seems to be some weirdness related to his name. Other sources include the ones posted by an IP editor above, which I shall repeat here: newindianexpress theglobeandmail. In all of these, he is called Sebastian as well. However, for example here malay mail he is called Senthamizhan, and the source also seems legit. So I believe the issue can not be solved easily (unless some "definite" sources surfaces), I believe the header section should be adjusted to sound something like "Senthamizhan Seeman (born 8 November 1966),((sources for that)) sometimes called Sebastian Seeman,((sources for that)) is an Indian politician, [...]". Thus, both names would be represented. Does anyone disagree with this? --LordPeterII (talk) 19:55, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

See this discussion SUN EYE 1 05:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Seeman real name not a senthamizh seeman

Sebestin seeman is a real name Jeyamurugan Arumugam (talk) 19:33, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

'Senthamizhan Seeman'

• Suneye1 - 'Senthamizhan' is a moniker which has emerged in the past decade. It's literal translation is "pure Tamil". We don't have articles titled "Nadigar Thilagam Sivaji" or "Makkal Selvan Vijay Sethupathi" or "Cartoonist Madhan" etc. Seeman is his name. Neutral Fan (talk) 15:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

  Neutral Fan, Hi, Do you have any sources for that claim? SUN EYE 1 15:29, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

And can you please explain why did you remove the names of his parents in this edit? SUN EYE 1 15:31, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• Why is he being credited as 'Senthamizhan Seeman' anyway. For both his film and political career, he was worked under the mononym of 'Seeman'. We don't call 'Vijay' as 'Vijay Chandrasekhar' or Bodheswaran as 'Bodheswaran Pillai'? Neutral Fan (talk) 15:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
• Profiles on 'OneIndia' of politicians/actors/films are generated by sources like Wikipedia rather than being independent secondary sources. It's particularly obvious that whichever fan wrote this article thought it would be cool to give his parents 'Senthamizhan' and 'Annammal Senthamizhan' in 2017/18. Neutral Fan (talk) 15:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Administrator AmandaNP moved it citing "naming conventions". You are supposed to ask them. The name was backed by three reliable sources and you removed it without any explanation for it's removal.

  • I will take this up there. Strange move. Neutral Fan (talk) 16:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

  • I think OneIndia is a RS. You removed it without an edit summary. SUN EYE 1 16:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

    WP:BLPPRIVACY states, Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public.. We have the official website of his political party stating his parents names as Senthamizhan and Annammal. SUN EYE 1 16:10, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Bizarre. The party website is clearly not a reliable source. Trump's website is not going to state he doesn't pay his taxes. Neutral Fan (talk) 16:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Neutral Fan, Did you read WP:BLPPRIVACY, it also states ... ....although links to websites maintained by the subject are generally permitted. Yes, Trump's website is not going to state he doesn't pay his taxes. This is for Privacy of personal information and using primary sources. SUN EYE 1 16:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Just to let you guys know that 'OneIndia.com' is not considered reliable as per WP:ICTFFAQ, Seeman being associated with films, this article comes under WP:ICTF too. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:40, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, Thank you for those links. I did not restore the oneindia reference. The problem here is that his parents names are only covered as "Senthamizhan" (Father) and Annammal(Mother) but most reliable sources don't cover this as he is not a very established politician and sources are less. The party's official site calls them by this name and so does other website apart from OneIndia like https://tamil.boldsky.com. SUN EYE 1 16:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

WP:SPSes can be used if the information is about the subject and in no way self-serving. Can the party website be categorized as such? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, https://www.naamtamilar.org is the official website of the party and it is published by the party. Can WP:BLPPRIVACY apply here? Boldsky.com is also one of top tamil online newssite, it also states the names as such. SUN EYE 1 17:10, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

What his party says is irrelevant. As mentioned, "Senthamizhan" (English: Pure Tamil Man) is a propaganda-based moniker to further the cause of his party which staunchly supports Tamil nationalism. No different from 'Chairman Mao'.

The name "Sebastian Seeman" is also seen here from far more reliable sources (as early as 2009, when "Senthamizhan" was nowhere to be seen) - [2][3][4][5][6]. Please note that these sources, also have direct quotes from his lawyer and national agencies - and are likely to be accurate.

Only "Seeman" is in quotes. SUN EYE 1 19:53, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

The first recorded instance of "Senthamizhan Seeman" on the web is here [7] - where a user includes "Senthamizhan" in inverted commas, and enquires if he has seen a film which features some elements of nationalist propaganda.

Also just FYI, Seeman's political hypocrisy and constant U-Turns knows no end. There is no way Wikipedia or any neutral source should follow anything which he has personally said.

The article should either be just Seeman (politician) or Sebastian Seeman (which now clearly seems to be his actual name) Neutral Fan (talk) 19:24, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

If I'm not wrong I believe I saw Sebastian Seeman as his full name sometime back in the article. That seems more relaibly sourced - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, All those references are form one incident, which I clearly believe is an error.

Can you add a name which is refuted by the subject himself?. SUN EYE 1 19:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, The person is also called a "Sebastian Simon", which rhymes with Senthamizhan Seeman. He himself states it in an interview that those names are used mostly by the Hindutva to target him.

Senthamizhan" is a name which is found in all his social media networks, in his party's official website and in multiple reliable sources in Tamil and in English.[8][9][10][11] [12][13][14][15]. The subject is not a very notable politician therefore most sources for the name are in Tamil Language. SUN EYE 1 19:39, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Neutral Fan, Also just FYI, Seeman's political hypocrisy and constant U-Turns knows no end. There is no way Wikipedia or any neutral source should follow anything which he has personally said.. Wikipedia's content is cited from reliable sources not from our personal POVs. SUN EYE 1 19:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Any legal docs, etc. My Neta which is typically used for this purpose writes Seeman and Seeeman IT. I have seen various iterations of people's names though. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, Thank you finding the doc. This is the right one as it says his age as 50 in 2016, seeman is 54 now. So it clearly states one of his parents name as "Senthamizhan" and the email as "seemansenthamizhan@gmail.com". Seeman I. T is another person who is aged 36. SUN EYE 1 19:57, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Senthamizhan" is a name which is found in all his social media networks, in his party's official website and in multiple reliable sources in Tamil and in English.[16][17][18][19] [20][21][22][23]. The subject is not a very notable politician therefore most sources for the name are in Tamil Language. SUN EYE 1 19:39, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Neutral Fan, Also just FYI, Seeman's political hypocrisy and constant U-Turns knows no end. There is no way Wikipedia or any neutral source should follow anything which he has personally said.. Wikipedia's content is cited from reliable sources not from our personal POVs. SUN EYE 1 19:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

All the sources listed by me above are from a range of established newspapers from two different countries. They also feature direct quotes from his lawyers and national security agencies. It's a bit harsh to dismiss all of these verified sources "as an error". All the articles are different and it must be assumed that they were checked as per editorial standards from each of the newspapers. It's highly unlikely that every single one of them was "wrong".

There's no need for a subject to tell us his name. Take the example of Prince or Silambarasan, who becomes STR, Silambarasan T. R., T. T. Silambarasan, Simbu, Chimbhu etc every few years. Wikipedia doesn't listen to them.

Seeman is an unreliable source (especially when he has erred to deny this elsewhere). Even since 2009, Sebastian has been commonly stated by reliable sources: see here - 2013, 2016, 2019 etc

Pages like The Wire are run off independent contributors rather than having editorial standards.

Anyway, this fantastic piece of investigative journalism seems to confirm he is indeed "Sebastian": [24]. Seeman (director) or Sebastian Seeman work. Neutral Fan (talk) 20:04, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Dhinasari.com??? It's a Hindutva website. Wikipedia used to be sebastian seeman for a period of time. Wire is one of the most reliable sources here. A legal document by the government, refutes your point which has more weight here than any sources and also calls one of his parents as Senthamizhan, so the "Sebastian" name rests here. And only the articles mentions the name as Sebastian in those references, not the quotes. SUN EYE 1 20:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

BTW, the Wire article signs off as "Sowmya Sivakumar is an independent writer based in Tamil Nadu. She can be reached at [xxxx]@yahoo.com." - seems like an independent writer rather than a journalist at The Wire. Neutral Fan (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Also trying to dismiss it as a "Hindutva" site means little here. The article provides a clear photographic scan of an attested document which refers to him being the son of Sebastian. I would say it is more reliable than relying on a nationalistic name from a nationalist party website. Neutral Fan (talk) 20:28, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

The government site clearly lists whatever the individual provides. Take Karthik (born as Murali) [25], Vijayakanth (born as Vijayaraj) [26], or even Chiranjeevi (born as Konidela Siva Sankara Vara Prasad) [27]. It is not entirely accurate - considering Seeman has been running from his 'Sebastian' surname for years (to the extent of creating another surname to support his party cause). Neutral Fan (talk) 20:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Your investigative journalism is claimed as false by an IFCN certified fact checker. https://tamil.factcrescendo.com/factcheck-seeman-mentioned-his-name-as-simon-sebastian/ SUN EYE 1 20:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Neutral Fan, The site simply promotes pro hindutva material. The same fake scanned copies shared in Whataspp groups. SUN EYE 1 20:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

• A legal government document calls him as Seeman and his parent as Senthamizhan. That is the best we got.
• All his social media handles and the party websites calls him "Senthamizhan Seeman"
• The person himself dismisses the name, adding it is a direct BLP violation.
• Still you need to support your claims with some proofs. That is a legal document and it is checked with ID proofs. If you think he was born as Sebastian, bring sources which explicitly says it.
• I can show a plethora of sources in Tamil which calls him as Senthamizhan Seeman.
• Here are some tamil sources for "Senthamizhan Seeeman" [28][29][30][31][32][33][34], there are a lot, lot more

• The same original government document from your investigative journalism Dinasari which calls his father as Senthamizhan not simon sebastian http://affidavitarchive.nic.in/CANDIDATEAFFIDAVIT.aspx?YEARID=May-2016+(+GEN+)&AC_No=155&st_code=S22&constType=AC

SUN EYE 1 20:30, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Just to clarify that I wasn't talking about my investigative journalism - but the website's, so I would be grateful if you avoid such a demeaning tone in your replies. On seeing the papers, I agree it seems doctored. The government website clearly seems to post links passed on from the individuals themselves. Is there any pre-2009 evidence of 'Senthamizhan Seeman'?

Having Tamil sources means little. There are also hundreds of reports of Sebastian Seeman in Tamil online. Maybe Seeman (politician) is the way forward with references to Sebastian and Senthamizhan in the article.

The very obvious picture here seems to be that the individual has changed his name from Sebastian to Senthamizhan in the mid-2010s in order to avoid people outing him as someone against his own Tamil nationalist policies. The 2009 articles from the Indian and Canadian papers are the best secondary sources we have at the moment as per WP:BLPPRIMARY. Neutral Fan (talk) 21:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

In these sources, Seeman's brother is referred to as "S. James Peter". Circa 2009-2010. I guess this clearly hints at the individual also having a Christian name (at least pre-name change): [35][36][37][38][39][40][41]. A further look into S. James Peter suggests he is possibly a church pastor, who has also written in praise of Seeman's NTK political party here: [42].

This official report by the International Crisis Group also refers to him as "Sebastion Seeman" [43]

Meanwhile, this official government document (clearly not provided by him unlike the examples above) refer to him as Seeman Sevanthi and the son of Sevanthi [44]. I think Seeman (politician) is the best option here - considering that is what he is widely referred to as per his films, with a line in the article re:misreporting of names. Neutral Fan (talk) 01:27, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Still, it's not obvious that he has changes his name and do you have sources or proof that he changed his name. The legal doc is best here. SUN EYE 1 03:03, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

People have added the name sebastian seeman without any sources many times all over the article's history without any sources. [45]. About his brother, he calls all the party members as his brothers and all the sources about his brother is from an incident from High court, do you have other sources which from somewhere which calls his brother by that name? Furthermore seeman signs his name as Senthamizhan Seeman.[46]. Please don't share twitter links from random people, those are not reliable. Are you sure this is the right link for his brother? SUN EYE 1 03:18, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

*Some more references for an alternative spelling Senthamilan NDTV[47][48][49], another personal interview with him calls him as Senthamizhan Seeman.[50] SUN EYE 1 07:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

The 'legal doc' cannot be sourced as per WP:BLPPRIMARY - and in any case, that document was provided by Seeman himself rather than a court or official body. The only valid legal doc here refers to him as Seeman Sevanthi [51].

Not sure why you removed the link about his brother from the article. It will be put back up. Answer to this below.

Again, I think it can be agreed there are enough reliable sources for both versions of names online. Neutral Fan (talk) 11:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Brother

Seeman calls his all party men as his own brothers [52][53][54], the party men call each other as brothers. Seeman calls Velupillai Praphabakaran as his own brother. This article says "Seemans former brother joins the AIDMK". This one calls Idumbavanam Karthick as his brother. If you can provide sources which says that the person is born with Seeman we can add it or it could be another one of his party member who calls himself as his brother. This is very confusing. furthermore it is better if Seeman has himself said about his brothers name and his name per WP:BLPPRIVACY. WP:BLPPRIVACY states, Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public.. We clearly have all the sources linked to the subject stating his name only as Senthamizhan Seeman. So there is no need to change the present name. Wikipedia only abides by wikipolices and we don't want to change wiki as a conspiracy site. According to the same policy if you can provide sources linked to the subject which mentions his brothers name as per WP:BLPPRIVACY, we are good to go.

Also in his brothers case, it also directly violates WP:BLPNAME. SUN EYE 1 03:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

(1) Firstly, the events in the sources clearly take place well before Seeman has an active political party so the question of 'cadres'/'brothers' does not exist here - S. James Peter is Seeman's actual brother.

(2) It is very strange how you are keen to involve dodgily sourced parents names but make a dispute when reliable sources quote the names of him and his brother. It doesn't contravene WLP:BLPPRIVACY as [55] and [56] (and many more sources online talking about James Peter) are not primary sources like government documents. They are verified news reports.

(3) This is not a single event - but articles discuss different events so it does not violate WP:BLPNAME - 2009 and 2010.

(4) The sources are clearly not linked to a common name - and as you should know, that's why there is this discussion. The only common name here is Seeman. There are a fair number of reliable sources online noting Sebastian Seeman as well as the one mentioned at present. Neutral Fan (talk) 11:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 30 December 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: It's clear that the page was previously controversially moved, without a consensus. I am restoring the earlier name and in future, please get consensus in a WP:RM before moving. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 14:19, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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Senthamizhan Seeman → Seeman (politician) – The only agreed name for this subject is Seeman. There are multiple sources online referring to him as Sebastian Seeman or Senthamizhan Seeman, and some even as Sevanthi Seeman. In reality, the media mostly just mononymously call him Seeman. The term 'Senthamizhan' (lit. English: Pure Tamil Man) is likely a propaganda-based moniker to further the cause of his party which he uses to staunchly support Tamil nationalism - he isn't widely known by this name. Below there is a list of reliable sources (max. three) for each claims covering different topics:

• Seeman: Times of India, DT Next, The New Indian Express
• Sebastian Seeman: The Hindu, Indian Express, International Crisis Group
• Senthamizhan Seeman: The News Minute, The Phnom Penh Post, India Today
• Sevanthi Seeman: Tamil Nadu Government Gazette Neutral Fan (talk) 13:03, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: The term 'Senthamizhan' (lit. English: Pure Tamil Man) is likely a propaganda-based moniker to further the cause of his party which he uses to staunchly support Tamil nationalism - he isn't widely known by this name. Please provide any proof or sources for your claim that it is a propaganda based moniker. Senthamilzhan is a common Tamil boy name used in Tamil Nadu.[57][58] and even a known politician, G. Senthamizhan from another party has this name. SUN EYE 1 13:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

The earliest available name on the internet is 'Seeman' in 1998. 'Sebastian Seeman' was next in 2009 - and as his brother is named James Peter, it's likely that Seeman also originally had a Christian name rather than 'Senthamizhan'. The first recorded instance of "Senthamizhan Seeman" on the web is here [59] - where a user includes "Senthamizhan" in inverted commas, and enquires if Seeman has seen a film which features some elements of nationalist propaganda. Neutral Fan (talk) 13:30, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

We don't need suggestions here. Provide sources which explicitly back your claim. You can just claim something as "The earliest available name on the internet" or "first recorded instance of ". We don't need WP:OR here. SUN EYE 1 13:37, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments - but the opening paragraph of WP:OR clearly states (This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards.). Thanks. Neutral Fan (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support on the simple basis of our long-standing convention of WP:COMMONNAME, much like Prince (musician), Bono, or any number of other examples, from Category:Tamil film directors or elsewhere. I'll accept that filling in the 'full name' fields of the article is going to be an apparently never-ending source of dispute, but I don't need to express an opinion on that since it is a wholly separate issue from the common name. The common name is Seeman, and the title should reflect it. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:02, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose,

1. As per WP:BLPPRIVACY, the sources linked to to subject including his Social media accounts [60][61] and the official party website with thousand of pages calls him as Senthamizhan Seeman.[62][63][64][65][66][67]
2. A government legal document and an affidavit from the Election Commission of India calls him from the calls his father as Senthamizhan.
3. English sources for Senthamizhan Seeman.
4. Tamil sources for Senthamizhan Seeman.

References
References

• • Comment on Suneye1's opposition - potential action of WP:OWNERSHIP displayed by this editor since December 2019. Doesn't seem to be welcome to others adding sourced info [68][69], but is not shy to add his own dubious ones [70].

(1) Placing these under 'External links' is fine but not for full out sourcing as per WP:BLPSPS. The website also reeks of one-way Tamil nationalist propaganda, which Wikipedia really shouldn't send readers to.

(2) The source isn't from the Election Commission of India. It's a document which is submitted by the candidate, which is hosted on the site. It isn't WP:COMMONNAME and contravenes WP:BLPPRIMARY, which clearly states "Do not use public records".

(3) and (4) re: unnecessary source dump - there are numerous reliable sources for each name, hence why max: three was put in the proposal. Neutral Fan (talk)

• And, the social media accounts go by the name "SeemanOfficial" - on Twitter it says "Seeman Retweeted...". The majority of articles linked on the official website also call him just 'Seeman'. Just search Google for this character and his full name is barely mentioned. Blimey, even the BBC call him just Seeman.[71][72] -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 20:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

  Both the social media accounts have the name "செந்தமிழன் சீமான்" in the description which translates to "Senthamizhan Seeman". The twitter also has the English name "Senthamizhan Seeman" in the description. The category about him in the official website only names him as "Senthamizhan Seeman" in Tamil.[73] - SUN EYE 1 03:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

  You are right of course - the category, and the Twitter description use the full name, and this is a point you made before my reply. I don't plan to debate this endlessly, but I do want to be sure that you also understood what I said. When you browse through that category, most articles call him just Seeman. I don't speak Tamil at all, but taking the top/latest article as an example, it says "சீமான் வாழ்த்து", which translates to something like "Seeman welcomes..". When you go into the article, you see that it's a letter signed, "Revolution greetings, Seeman, Chief Coordinator..". It's the same for most - not all but most - articles there. If you ask what is most common in that category, it's just "Seeman". When it comes to Twitter, the 'handle' is seen in the URL - "SeemanOfficial". Most people mentally remove the "official" part, leaving just Seeman. When Seeman logs in, or someone replies to him, this is the name they use. He has also set his 'display name' to this mononym, so it is displayed in a bold heading (twice) before anything else on his profile page. The result is when Seeman tweets something it says, "Seeman @SeemanOfficial". -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 09:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

• Note for closer. This page was recently moved without discussion from a title it's been stable at for the past decade. Technically, reverting the move falls under WP:RM#CM. One only has to look at this talk page to see that it's controversial. Full disclosure: I've expressed support above to revert the page move. I don't have a huge stake in this page, but I have been attempting to moderate, as an admin, the endless disputes over his name for years. Whatever happens in this discussion, extra consideration should be given to the fact it is a recent undiscussed controversial move. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Senthamizhan is not his verified name. Most likely those articles may have picked up the names from Wikipedia itself and in result we could be actually dealing with a case of circular reasoning . His real name is unclear as his pro-Hindu opponents have claimed his real name to be "Simon". I am not sure with Wiki's policy of naming a living person but it will be safe to keep his name mononym as "Seeman" as it won't be incorrect or contentious. Ihaveabandonedmychild (talk) 16:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Media

@Zzuuzz:, sorry to bother you, User:Neutral Fan has come back to add unsourced BLP violations here, they have added His first name has been credited as Sebastian and more recently, Senthamizhan, in the media. and gave an edit summary See talk page - no consensus on name of individual without any sources. Personally I don't care about his name or his religion, and his Christian version of the names are pushed by proponents of Hindutva to spread conspiracy theories and to spread hatred. His other names are not accepted by the subject himself (WP:BLPPRIVACY) and his social media accounts and his official websites uses only the name "Senthamizhan Seeman". User:Neutral fan has also added a non notable brother in the article [74], all his party members call him as their brother and he calls the party members as his brothers Talk:Seeman_(politician)#Brother and there are no other sources for his brother except the single event and there are no sources to say if he has any siblings and the subject himself has not talked about it.

As you are aware of this issue as an administrator, could you please give your view on this issue so this could be ended once and for all. Thanks, SUN EYE 1 05:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi. I'm happy to express a view as far as I have one, and forgive me if I haven't read all the discussion above. It's my opinion that we do not know his full birth name, and this will never be satisfactorily resolved. Not knowing Tamil culture or laws very well, I'd guess that we also probably won't know his "real name" either. We do know the name that he (and his party) commonly uses - this should absolutely be prominent. We do know that other names, whether accurate or not, have been reliably sourced. I can also be specific about my opinion, sources, etc, by pointing to a series of edits where I once tried to repair the infobox [75] (one of the links has changed, but the article remains). I personally think it is ultimately fair and neutral to mention that his full name is not properly known, or that there's some dispute or confusion over it. But we also need to acknowledge the name that he uses.

I've taken a look at he coverage of his "brother", particularly where he petitioned a court for Seeman's release. I found the specific language used compelling, even allowing for the political/social use of the term. However I also note that his name is often quoted as "S. James Peter", which raises as many questions as it answers. Given this person is probably not high profile, notwithstanding the court petition and some earlier events, I personally think we can live without it - unless - the context by which we know this name is also discussed. In other words, I find it slightly gratuitous, unless it's shown that this person is high profile. And that bit - leaving out low-profile family - is well supported by policy. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 08:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Zzuuzz, Thank you for the reply, his Christian version of the names are not accepted by the subject himself and sources close to him only uses "Senthamizhan" for the full name; [76][77]. The brother is not a high profile person here and all his party members calls him as their brother; see the title of these speeches by "his brothers"([78][79][80][81]); there are hundreds of speeches like this and articles (almost all in Tamil) of the party members calling him as their brother. I'll go ahead and remove it.

As far as I'm concerned, the name Sebastian or Simon is probably the result of circular reporting from Wikipedia itself or the subject has changed his name for which we have no sources to tell. SUN EYE 1 09:11, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Zzuuzz - Suneye1 already knows this so I'm not sure why he's acting like he was born yesterday and using old arguments (party cadres, one event etc). He has slyly used this opportunity to make a change that he was uncomfortable with (which is why I've been long been calling for a blanket ban on this user for this article...)

Repeating these clear points as noted above. [This is copied from discussions above which Suneye1 has looked to ignore]

(1) Firstly, the events in the sources clearly take place well before Seeman has an active political party so the question of 'cadres'/'brothers' does not exist here - S. James Peter is Seeman's actual brother.

(2) It is very strange how you are keen to involve dodgily sourced parents names but make a dispute when reliable sources quote the names of him and his brother. It doesn't contravene WLP:BLPPRIVACY as [82] and [83] (and many more sources online talking about James Peter) are not primary sources like government documents. They are verified news reports.

(3) This is not a single event - but articles discuss different events so it does not violate WP:BLPNAME - 2009 and 2010.

(4) The sources are clearly not linked to a common name - and as you should know, that's why there is this discussion. The only common name here is Seeman. There are a fair number of reliable sources online noting Sebastian Seeman as well as the one mentioned at present.

Neutral Fan (talk) 10:50, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Please don't make WP:NPA and WP:ASPERSIONS here. These were discussed earlier. The sources about his parents are from sources close to the subject. His brother is not notable here and as as User:Zzuuzz stated above the brother is a low profile individual, the name used by the subject and his party must be the prominent. The subject does not accept the other names. Please stop pushing BLP violations. SUN EYE 1 11:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

March 2021

@Krishnaiipm: Do not remove sourced content unilaterally like you did here. Discuss you concerns in the talk page and gain WP:CONSENSUS first on why these should be removed and per what policy. We do not whitewash articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Title and Content mismatch

Hi Suneye1, I see that lot of controversies are there for his name including the page you have quoted in previous thread 2016, Indians use patronymic name. It should have a first name and an initial like "S. Seeman". I know why the page name is kept just as Seeman instead of Senthamizhan/Senthamilan/Sebastian Seeman. Can you just fix the name in the page or move the page to proper title? Thanks and please stop sending threatening messages in my talk page. --Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 23:41, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dineshkumar_Ponnusamy, the title of the page is chosen as per WP:COMMONNAME, we don't use "Koose Munisamy Veerappan" for Veerappan in the title or "Nafeez Kizar" for Arav. The name "Senthamizhan Seeman" is currently backed by reliable sources and is the only full name published by sources close to him. Even the link you provided shows his email address as seemansenthamizhan@gmail.com. The warning for edit warring is not meant to be threatening. Regards, SUN EYE 1 05:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2021 (2)

Controversy

Seeman was in a live-in relationship with Vijayalakshmi for 3 years. Later, they broke up and filed a case against Seeman for cheating her money. In a complaint that he had physically tortured Vijayalakshmi in her house for a long time. 106.206.61.88 (talk) 19:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:59, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Seeman Controversy

Hi Sun eye the seeman Controversy related to his name is not my own research I have clearly identified the controversy and questions raised for seeman in many interviews. I have clearly mentioned the verifiable sites with self description of the person. Could you advise why it was removed Pranesh Ravikumar (talk) 06:04, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Pranesh Ravikumar, Read WP:OR. The YouTube video is WP:PRIMARY and most of your additions from it is your personal analysis. The remaining part of the paragraph is your own opinion not supported by the sources.SUN EYE 1 06:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

change #tags

டுபாக்கூர் அரசியல்வாதி remove this #tag 157.46.101.225 (talk) 11:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Usage of 'partner' parameter

@Mkdedit: Go through Template:Infobox_person#Parameters' guideline on the |partner=. It says ..."partner" here means unmarried life partners in a domestic partnership (of any gender or sexual orientation).... Not a single source you provided here says that Mr. Seeman and Vijayalakshmi were life partners in a domestic partnership. Seek WP:CONSENSUS here before adding contentious content in the infobox that doesn't meet the guidelines. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Suneye1 and Zzuuzz:. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, It was me who initially moved it to |partner= parameter after it was added by another user [84]. I saw the personal life section which stated "Seeman had earlier been in a relationship with actress Vijayalakshmi" without seeing the sources. As per the sources, Vijayalakshmi has claimed that she and Seeman were in a relationship. Seeman has maintained silence on the issue. The issue is very notable and the section on their relationship should be kept but changes must be made to it to reflect the sources. - SUN EYE 1 17:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Suneye1: Obviously the issue is notable, I remember reverting attempts at section blanking by newbies users and IPs before I took a break. I'm more concerned about the proper usage of the " |partner= " parameter, the guideline for which was made more precise after I got involved in a 'heated' discussion in there. So domestic partnership needs to proved for this parameter to work. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:22, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk, I can't find any sources which states they were in a domestic partnership or anything similar, so that must not be added in the info box. I initially thought a relationship will count as domestic partnership, I was wrong. This definition explains it better. - SUN EYE 1 17:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Suneye1: I couldn't find it either. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Asking for change his fake name

Please change his fake name, his real name is sebastin simon, and his grand father name is yakob, where is his father name Rakibhai (talk) 04:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Please provide reliable source in support of the change here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:09, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2024

2406:7400:C4:1C16:2DB2:ABCF:B515:7928 (talk) 20:03, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I'm presuming that this is a request to move this page to Sebastian Simon (politician). Liu1126 (talk) 20:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

His name is Senthamizhan Seeman

People here are saying his real name is Sebastian simon. Several fact-checkers such as 'You-turn' magazine proved this is wrong. This propaganda was carried out by BJP and DMK who tried to portray him as a christian. He got triggered in a press meet when the question was asked and said 'Simon dhaan, adhunaala enna'. He went on to say that why shouldn't a christian(in case) talk about Tamil issues. In northern Sri Lanka both Hindus and Christians were killed for the sake of being Tamil. Ethnicity is more important than religion or caste. His father's name is Senthamizhan, you or me can't decide about using one's father's name either before or after the person's name, it is his own decision. These half-boiled guys spread hatred for no reason. If it is true that he's simon then try providing proofs like legal documents. CHECK MATE!! 2409:40F4:112D:D654:255A:2454:BF0E:B7EF (talk) 10:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 26 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Seaman. (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 01:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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Seeman (politician) → Senthamizhan Seeman – A more natural title, helped by the fact that he isn't just a politician, and has found time to act in movies even after taking to politics. Senthamizhan isn't an honorific, but a patronymic. Though it is treated like an honorific, it doesn't violate WP:HONORIFIC, for the same reason as Mahatma Gandhi and Mother Teresa. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

• Move to Seeman, with the current article at that title going to Seeman (surname). Primary topic per pageviews.[85] 162 etc. (talk) 16:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

  I like this proposition. Most of the others in the index page are Westerners where "Seeman" is pronounced like "He-Man". Kailash29792 (talk) 17:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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