Talk:Sayran (Almaty Metro)

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Requested move 21 December 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. There is agreement that the base name should go to the disambiguation page, rather than the metro station. (non-admin closure) Brad v 18:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sayran → Sayran (Almaty Metro) – This page is meant for a metro station, the reader should not be confused with other stuff that's named after "Sayran". Shadowzpaev (talk) 17:43, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This was actually listed at "Requests to revert undiscussed moves". The issue with this is that the article was never at Sayran (Almaty Metro) (minus the copy-paste move that was soon reverted.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Shadowzpaev: This request has been moved to full discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PRECISE since the disambiguator is unnecessary since there is currently no other articles/subjects to disambiguate against. Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support @Steel1943: it seems this is just en.wp being more train-friendly than the kk and ru wikipedias. I've added an article stub on Sayran itself, currently at Sayran Lake, which it can stay at. Not sure if Sayran (disambiguation) is needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:22, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes the dab page is definitely needed, most English book links are (not surprisingly) to the bus station. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Since when did train station articles reside just at the base name? The usual format would be something like Sayran metro station, but the proposed form is certainly an improvement. See also Corvisart (Paris Métro) etc. for similar cases. — Amakuru (talk) 08:40, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Sayran metro station, and suggest move the DAB to the base name. Andrewa (talk) 00:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

User:Steel1943 makes a valid point above. There is as far as I can see no naming convention that justifies the natural disambiguation here, so it would seem that by the letter of WP:AT the move should not go ahead.

On the other hand, there's something to be said for consistency with other railway etc. stations, which are almost all disambiguated owing to being named after a suburb, bridge etc. which is the primary topic of the base name. I would argue that the proposed names are both far more recognisable, and that the move improves WIkipedia.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Manual of style says nothing on the topic, and is of the status of an essay in any case (and explicitly tagged as such... other WikiProjects should take note IMO).

I think we may need an official topic guideline for this, and will raise it at the WikiProject, particularly but not only if the move goes ahead. Andrewa (talk) 00:59, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It should be done anyway, because there is a lot of confusion. If I remember correctly, I started the page clicking on a redlink fron some template.It is quite possible (not in this case, I checked) that another template would have a different redlink, which could even potentially lead to article duplication.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:38, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.