Talk:Sarita Colonia

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 01:21, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that some prisoners in Peru get tattoos of Sarita Colonia for protection? Source: Graziano, Frank (2006). Cultures of Devotion: Folk Saints of Spanish America. Oxford University Press. pp. 146–147. ISBN 978-0-19-029112-9. "If, as in this case, miraculous evasion of the police is unsuccessful, then Sarita follows through by protecting her devotees in prison. Many inmates are tattooed with Sarita's image,"
  • ALT1: ... that Sarita Colonia became a folk saint after visitors of a common grave gathered around her grave marker? Source: Same as above. p. 144. "Also conducive to the growth of devotion to Sarita was the very nature of the common grave itself. When people came to visit their loved ones who were buried without markers or headstones, they tended to leave flowers at the only identifiable spot, which was Sarita’s cross. Many knelt to pray there. This conglomeration of flowers and gathering of praying people at one place in the cemetery—which is so typical in folk saint devotions—fostered the impression that Sarita was miraculous. Some of those kneeling at the cross to pray for their dead loved ones took the opportunity to say a prayer to Sarita. Others came especially for this purpose. Miracles were granted, news of them circulated, and Sarita’s status as a folk saint gradually was established.
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Created by Thebiguglyalien (talk). Self-nominated at 18:29, 9 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sarita Colonia; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Thebiguglyalien: Good article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Tattoo image

Is there any properly licensed image of a Sarita Colonia tattoo we can use? BorgQueen (talk) 17:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I tried to find more images when I created the article, but I couldn't turn up anything except what was already on Commons. Unless there's one hidden somewhere, any further images will probably require someone in the Lima area to take and upload one. I had thought about putting in an image request for the shrine, but I don't know if those image requests ever get answered. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Grnrchst (talk · contribs) 11:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• "Sarita" is the diminuitive form of "Sara". Is there anyway to clarify this for non-hispanohablantes? (Just so readers don't think "Sarita" is an entirely different name)

  I'd say follow the example of similar pages, but I don't remember ever seeing such a clarification on a Wikipedia page. My hope was that having both her birth name and the diminutive name was sufficient. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Biography

• Maybe swap the order of her parents, so it aligns with her name.
• Was she taken to a hospital in Lima? Also why is it necessary to specify both 19 and 20 December, when they're only one day apart? Think the two sentences about her illness and death could be combined.

  The sources didn't describe the hospital explicitly, which is why the sourcing in the sentence is split up like that. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

• Spotcheck: "Sarita was taken to the Bellavista hospital and died there the next day, on December 20, 1940, at the age of 26."

Grave site and shrine

• "further miracles" such as?

  Removed "further" so it doesn't imply more information is coming (as the sources don't have it). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

• "when the common grave was excavated" Think "exhumed" would be the more correct word here, no?

Followers

• "criminals" Is this elaborated on? What kind of criminals?

  There's some information about her association with thieves, which appears later in the article, but that's about all that's specified in the sources I found. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

• Spotcheck: "She is particularly revered by prostitutes, petty criminals and transvestites, who invoke her protection before travelling out into the street." That they invoke her protection seems like an important detail to include.

The invocation of protection is mentioned regarding thieves and prisoners in the next paragraph (and even served as a DYK hook a few days ago). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Folk tales

• "Colonia's brother wrote a biography with the stated purpose of correcting falsehoods that had been spread about her life." Any more detail on this?

• Spotcheck: "Se refiere a que supuestamente Sarita murió ante un intento de violación, cuando prefirió lanzarse al mar y morir, antes de ser vejada; que no ha existido realmente; que los restos mortales no están en el mausoleo." So one of the falsehoods is the myth about her death, another is that she never existed and another is that her remains aren't in the mausoleum. I think you covered the important parts here, though.

Image and media

• "As with many popular cultural figures, depictions are more likely to portray her as a white woman." Is this portrayal incorrect? It's hard to tell from the photo.

  I don't remember any sources going into detail about her race or ethnicity, but I believe they indicated or implied that she was not white. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Checklist

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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Very well-written and put together article, which I found quite interesting to read. I have notes, but nothing major or even particularly necessary to address.

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   All sources are either books from academic presses or are articles in scholarly journals.

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Only reversion was of a resolved orphan tag.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   Image in the infobox is in the public domain, but the license of the stamp is missing. If no license can be provided for that on Wikicommons, the image should be removed from this article, or else I can't pass this. The file is set to be deleted tomorrow, so I'll hold this review until then. Stamp has been removed from the article and will likely be removed from Wikicommons tomorrow.

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   Alt text should be provided.

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

   Unfortunately the only thing holding this review back from an immediate pass is the issue of the stamp's license. I'll be more than happy to pass this once the licensing issue has been dealt with. Now it has been removed I'm happy to pass it. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Grnrchst I've removed the image. I tried to address the above comments when possible, but there's only so much to get out of these sources. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:56, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for attending to this! Passing now. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

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