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On 12 December 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from SBB-CFF-FFS RAe TEE II to SBB RAe TEE II. The result of the discussion was moved.

Article name

This article has a non standard name, probably because it was translated from its de.wikipedia counterpart and given the same name. The standardised name, according to established en.wikipedia practice, would be SBB-CFF-FFS RAe TEE II. Unless there is any objection, I will change the article's name to that name one week from today. Bahnfrend (talk) 15:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved JaGa^talk 06:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SBB RAe TEE II → SBB-CFF-FFS RAe TEE II — The requested new name is in the standard form for en.wikipedia articles about Swiss Federal Railways rolling stock (see, eg, Category:Multiple units of Switzerland). I am requesting a move only because for some reason the new name is on the titleblacklist for page moves, even though I could have created a new page under that name. (The new name seems to have fallen foul of the blacklist because it has four capital "F"s.)--Bahnfrend (talk) 02:51, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Commment - I know last time this issue cropt up there was a blacklist item stopping moving articles to titles with more than 9 (I think) capital letters in a row (ignoring punctuation) so you may well have fallen a foul of that. If you think this is uncontroversial it will be quicker to list it in the Uncontroversial requests section of WP:RM as then you won't have to wait a week for this discussion to finish. Dpmuk (talk) 17:41, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 12 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 15:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SBB-CFF-FFS RAe TEE II → SBB RAe TEE II
SBB-CFF-FFS Re 450 → SBB Re 450
SBB-CFF-FFS Am 841 → SBB Am 841
SBB-CFF-FFS Em 3/3 → SBB Em 3/3
SBB-CFF-FFS Ae 6/6 → SBB Ae 6/6
SBB-CFF-FFS Re 420 → SBB Re 420
SBB-CFF-FFS Ee 3/3 IV → SBB Ee 3/3 IV
SBB-CFF-FFS Ae 8/14 → SBB Ae 8/14
SBB-CFF-FFS Ae 4/6 → SBB Ae 4/6
SBB-CFF-FFS Am 4/6 1101 → SBB Am 4/6 1101
SBB-CFF-FFS Ce 6/8 I → SBB Ce 6/8 I
SBB-CFF-FFS C 5/6 → SBB C 5/6
SBB-CFF-FFS Be 4/6 12303-12342 → SBB Be 4/6 12303-12342
SBB-CFF-FFS Ae 3/5 → SBB Ae 3/5
SBB-CFF-FFS B 3/4 → SBB B 3/4
SBB-CFF-FFS A 3/5 → SBB A 3/5
SBB-CFF-FFS RBDe 560 → SBB RBDe 560
SBB-CFF-FFS De 6/6 → SBB De 6/6
SBB-CFF-FFS Bm 4/4 → SBB Bm 4/4
SBB-CFF-FFS Re 460 → SBB Re 460
SBB-CFF-FFS E 3/3 → SBB E 3/3
SBB-CFF-FFS RBe 540 → SBB RBe 540
SBB-CFF-FFS Ae 4/7 → SBB Ae 4/7
SBB-CFF-FFS Ae 4/8 → SBB Ae 4/8
SBB-CFF-FFS Be 4/6 12301 → SBB Be 4/6 12301
SBB-CFF-FFS BDe 4/4 II → SBB BDe 4/4 II
SBB-CFF-FFS Ce 6/6 → SBB Ce 6/6

– I've began moving a couple of Swiss Federal Railway trains over the past few days from "SBB-CFF-FFS" article titles to simply use "SBB" (see e.g. Special:Diff/1262549849, Special:Diff/1262426828), which I believed to be uncontroversial at the time. However, then I came across the requested move in the exact opposite direction from a bit more than ten years ago (see above).

I still think that moving all SBB-CFF-FFS titles to SBB titles is best for the following reasons:

SBB is the official english abbreviation for Swiss Federal Railways, a referenced claim which is reflected in its article and consitently implemented in it and many related ones.
Although SEO makes it hard to quantify precisely, to me SBB seems to be the abbreviation used more widely in english sources by a significant margin, both in news and scholarly sources.
There is precedent of multiple previous uncontested moves achieving the same by experienced rail wiki editor Mackensen on articles about trains that are newer and possibly more notable than the ones that have not been moved yet (see e.g. Special:Diff/1132376258 or Special:Diff/1137445337). These have not been contested in over a year. Likewise, my recent edits have not yet been contested.
The new SBB titles would be more concise, natural, and consistent with the main Swiss Federal Railways page and the aforementioned train pages that were already moved, while still ensuring recognizability and precision, fulfilling WP:TITLE

I'm hoping to set a clear precedent with this RM should this topic come up again in the future. Should this RM be opposed, I propose that all the articles currently named using "SBB" should be moved to "SBB-CFF-FFS" instead to reflect the new consensus. YuniToumei (talk) 15:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to simpler version. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:28, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. SBB is the official abbreviation in English. Mackensen (talk) 16:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Sounds more simple and convenient, even the official site in the English language use the shortened name. EditorGirlAL07 (talk) 19:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.