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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
September 26, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
October 9, 2008	Featured topic candidate	Not promoted
September 25, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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GordonH 11:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone know the locations used in this series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hostroute (talk • contribs) 11:03, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It shouldn't be too hard to get this to GA status. I'll give it a brush up. -- _{Escape Artist Swyer} ^{Talk to me} _{The mess I've made} 01:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

SF rating

I've rated this as B for the SF wikiproject. It looks basically ready for GA to me.
Small improvments?:
1. Sourcing, as usual. Mostly looks fine, but a couple of stray uncited claims, such as..."It was this version of the story that Kneale was most pleased with."^{[citation needed]}
2. Plot seems slightly overlong. The length of the programs is shorter than many films, so it's plot shouldn't need to be much longer here - even though it is cut into 4.... Hmmm, looked again, maybe it is fine now, as whole article is long.
3. No Video cover / book cover / poster available for fair use?

Good luck with GA!Yobmod (talk) 13:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Posting here because as a major contributor to this article I don't think I'm allowed comment on the GA page.

From past experience, this won't pass GA unless the lead is rewritten to meet the requirements of WP:LEAD. I'm generally useless at these summaries and don't have the time to redo it now anyway - I presume Escape Artist Swyer, as nominator is up to the task?
Not happy that the episode titles have been made up to full subheadings - what value does it add to the article? I can't see anyone looking at the TOC and wanting to jump to the summary of episode three. Unless someone wants to provide a strong counterargument, I intend to revert to the old formatting 24 hours from now.

- Joe King (talk) 19:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help. I'll happily rewrite the lead. I made the episode titles subheading because I thought they looked neater. I have no objections to the old formatting if you want to revert it. -- _{Escape Artist Swyer} ^{Talk to me} _{The mess I've made} 19:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How's that? -- _{Escape Artist Swyer} ^{Talk to me} _{The mess I've made} 20:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Looking very good so far. Here are a few suggestions:

Neither Image:Quatermass1979-01.JPG nor Image:Quatermass1979-02.JPG are low enough resolution for the fair use criteria, IMO. Neither image needs to be much larger than it appears in the article. Done
"Science fiction" or "science-fiction"? Article uses both; do a quick consistency check. Done
broadcast on the ITV network in the autumn of 1979 - it wasn't autumn for (the southern) half of the world (I live in Australia and I personally find it frustrating to figure out the months of the year when given a season, let alone the opposite season to what I'm used to!). Fair enough, it's a British series - and there's the whole British/US spelling thing, when either one or the other has to be used - but considering we can cancel out north and south "bias" by writing the actual months/dates, I'd say it's best. Done Changed to "October and November of 1979"
which cemented Kneale's reputation as one of the best television writers of the time - I'm a little worried about the POV here. This would only be the belief held by some people, so I'd suggest for you to reword or put in a few more supporting refs. Done removed POV
such works as The Big, Big Giggle, an unmade play about a teenage suicide cult; The Year of the Sex Olympics (1968) - is there a year for The Big, Big Giggle?

No date given for Big, Big, Giggle since it was unmade (as it says in article). Need to dig out refs as IIRC was writen a rewritten over a number of years before being canned. Is date necessary if script wasn't made? - Joe King (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And do we need "(1968)" for the Sex Olympics, considering it's just a paragraph above? Done
The Sweeney (1975-1978) - should use an endash ( – ) for time periods.
- Okay, there are rather a lot of these! They should all use endashes and they should all either be full years as above or all "1975–78". There seems to be some inconsistency there. Done I think I've got 'em all - Joe King (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lead says "100-minute film"; Production and Other media say "100 minute film". (I'd go with the former... But either way, consistency.) Done
Production designer Arnold Chapkis, constructed several large and elaborate sets - comma unnecessary. Done
a break from the romantic lead roles he was used to getting - perhaps "he was used to playing"? No, I think the point here is that the role appealed to Mills as an escape from typecasting - Joe King (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC) Done[reply]
passed away in 2007 - read WP:EUPHEMISM. Best to blunty say "she died". Done
Quatermass was duly broadcast that night at 9pm - space in "9 pm" per WP:MOSTIME. Done
Pieces of paper do not hold opinions ;) Thus, we should have "John Smith of The Daily Telegraph found...", though I see that Production Notes are sourced and this information may not be available.

This is taken from a secondary source: the name of the journalist is not given. Changed to "The reviewer in The Daily Torygraph..." - Joe King (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The infobox's "theme music" parameter should not include the "&", just a line break. Done

That's about it - a nice article. The GAN will be on hold for a week so good luck with making the necessary changes until then. —97198 (talk) 07:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll get this lot sorted before then. Thanks for reviewing. -- _{Escape Artist Swyer} ^Talk _{Contributions} 15:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright! Changes are all good - ...I agree with your reasoning for not making a few :) - and thanks for taking care of everything so speedily. I'm happy to promote the article to a GA. Well done! —97198 (talk) 06:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minor quibble about terms for the 'alien'

This article uses the terms "aliens", "alien machine" and "alien force".

Of these, only the latter is vague enough. The nature of the alien presence is very ambiguous (and this is one of the strengths of the serial). Ascribing plurality ("the aliens") or a particular nature ("the alien machine") is in line with some characters' theories and assumptions, but the serial's story doesn't ever explicitly confirm those theories. So unless anyone has a strong objection I'll replace the two slightly presumptuous terms with the more vague one! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.60.90.102 (talk) 12:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 28 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the proposal below. Dekimasuよ! 18:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quatermass (TV serial and film) → Quatermass (TV serial) – Current disambiguator is non-standard under WP:NCTV, and is the result of an undiscussed move in January 2016. More importantly, it's redundant – it was initially broadcast in the UK as a TV series, and was only subsequently released as a theatrical film (and not widely so). This is not the only TV series that has also been released theatrically (in the case of Battlestar Galactica (1978 TV series), its pilot was actually released theatrically before the pilot aired on TV!), and none of the others are disambiguated this way. So, bottom line: there's no reason to use a non-standard disambiguator here, and "TV serial" is sufficient to disambiguate this from the other versions of "Quartermass" (see: Quatermass (disambiguation)), and so the article should be moved back to its pre-January 2016 title. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Reassessment

Quatermass (TV serial)

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Result: Delisted per consensus. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA from 2008. The article uses several unreliable sources (IMDB) and some paragraphs aren't formatted correctly, and the Casting section contains unrelated information. I'm also concerned about the sourcing; the reception section is sourced to books that presumably quotes the original reviews instead of the original reviews, though I know it is probably not a good reason to delist. Spinixster (chat!) 08:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delist per the sourcing issues and the disorganized "casting and crew" section. Though personally, I think taking reviews from a book gives more legitimacy to their weight than finding random reviews online. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 07:36, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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