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Got sources? Jdorje 03:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You can see cyclone 16 of 1972 on

—Preceding unsigned comment added by HurricaneSpin (talk • contribs) 06:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stormy weather

Was the 1963 storm (among others...) not named? TREKphiler ^{hit me ♠} 18:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Recovered annual summaries from 1891 to 1970 that include wind, pressure, and tracks for tropical systems. Supportstorm (talk) 17:27, 25 August 2013 (UTC) The article will remain a stub class until it is finished, which theoretically would be an article on Pre-1900 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons. If anyone has the time, they could create the season articles going back to 1960 – there is certainly the information. Before 1960, there could be decade articles at the very least going back to 1900. Now that the basin is in better shape, it's time to expand the number of articles within the basin. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:27, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Bombay Cyclone of 1882 (hoax)?

The supposed cyclone doesn't have any good evidence of its existence. I think it deserves, at best, a one or two sentence mention in this article. Something like: "There were unsubstantiated newspaper reports of a deadly cyclone hitting current-day Mumbai on June 6, 1882, but meteorological records and weather reports shows no contemporary record of the event. A 2019 study concluded that the cyclone was a hoax." That way there is a mention of the event in the appropriate place, but it doesn't mention the death toll (no need to reintroduce the false information), and it covers the fact that it was a hoax. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose: The false information is that a tropical cyclone impacted Bombay, yet alone that it killed 100000 people and is covered from time to time in reliable sources. You state that the cyclone does not have any good evidence to prove that it existed, except an article from the hindustantimes from 2020 shows that newspaper reports at the time were the originators of the system. I also note that Wikipedia has various articles on hoaxes such as the Dreadnought_hoax, Morristown UFO hoax, Mars hoax. As a result, I feel that it is our job to present the information on this system and inform the reader about why it is a "hoax" and feel that it is worthy of more than two or three sentences. Also I feel a courtesy ping to @Alarichall: is in order here.Jason Rees (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yea I'm not sure we should be perpetuating falsehoods, like a storm that did not kill 100,000 people. The hoaxes you mentioned seem more notable as hoaxes. Regarding the newspaper bit, I adjusted the wording for what a proposed merger might look like. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still oppose the merger as I strongly feel that if we presented the evidence in the right way, we would not be making people believe or disbelieve the falsehood that this system killed 10000 people. I also look at Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes which states that a hoax should have been believed for many years, which the reliable sources show that it has been. I also note that the 2019 study into the system was not the first study into the system, with the IMD presenting quite a bit of evidence on it in this source.Jason Rees (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me, Jason! I created Bombay Cyclone of 1882 (hoax) in order to help dispel the widespread belief in this disproven event. The point of the article is that people searching Wikipedia (or the Internet generally) for the 1882 Bombay Cyclone will readily find that despite being mentioned in many authoritative-looking sources, the cyclone did not actually happen. Pre-1890 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons only lists real events, as far as I know, so I'm not sure that it would be wise to include the fictitious 1882 cyclone in this article. Meanwhile, as Jason Rees indicates, Bombay Cyclone of 1882 (hoax) meets both the notability requirements for an independent article and the other criteria for an article about a hoax. So I don't think we should lose Bombay Cyclone of 1882 (hoax). If you think it's important to mention that fictitious event in pre-1890 North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons you could, but in my view it would be useful to be able to link to the full article so that readers can fully understand the problems here. Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 23:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there's any issue with an article on a hoax. However, I am a little worried about the limited number of sources that provide much descriptive information about the hoax itself and possibly original research (specifically original synthesis of information) in the current article. — TheAustinMan^{(Talk ⬩ Edits)} 12:35, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This would be, to my thinking, like adding discussions of Bigfoot and Yeti to Hominidae. The content is not legitimately part of an article on real events. It might fit into Tropical cyclones in popular culture, but I would first want to see an effort to improve the article as it is. BD2412 T 05:40, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]