Talk:Ottawa station
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Overpass paragraph
[edit]Not really sure how this paragraph on a proposed overpass, that might never get built, is relevant to the train station. Proximity does not equal relevance. Is the overpass intended to serve rail passengers? Is it intended to facilitate access to the train station? It's not clear. Even if it can be shown that the intended purpose is to provide easier access to the station, it's not evident that an overpass merits an entire paragraph (if it merits mention at all) in the article. Skeezix1000 11:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I've put that paragraph since it is the article about both the Transit Station and the Train Station. The Master Plan says :"Provides enhanced transit accessibility to the stadium (Lynx) and adjacent employment area" [1]. That paragraph was put related to the Transitway Station.
This is two distinct things, I'm wondering if de-merging the article would be better, so we would the Transit stop in a separate article --JForget 02:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- If the purpose of the overpass is to facilitate transit access, then that's fine, but it should be made clear in the paragraph. Right now, the paragraph simply refers to a pedestrian overpass, the purpose of which is unclear. It isn't even clear from the current wording that the overpass would be accessible from the train station.
As for demerging the article, yes I agree. The information on the train station building is slowly being lost in the morass of trivial bus route data. Skeezix1000 11:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- If the purpose of the overpass is to facilitate transit access, then that's fine, but it should be made clear in the paragraph. Right now, the paragraph simply refers to a pedestrian overpass, the purpose of which is unclear. It isn't even clear from the current wording that the overpass would be accessible from the train station.
- Demerger done (see below). Any further discussion on the overpass should continue at the article on the transitway station, and I have reproduced this discussion on the talk page at that location. Skeezix1000 11:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Demerged
[edit]Further to JForget's suggestion above, I was bold and demerged this article and the article on the adjacent transitway station. As mentioned above, the information on the actual train station, a designated heritage structure, was being lost amidst bus route information. The demerger is in keeping with the Toronto example, where Union Station (Toronto) and Union (TTC) are separate articles. It is also in keeping with what appears to be the convention for Ottawa transitway stations -- e.g. St. Laurent Station (OC Transpo) and St. Laurent Shopping Centre are separate articles, Tunney's Pasture Station (OC Transpo) and Tunney's Pasture are separate articles, etc. -Skeezix1000 11:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Ottawa Railway Station? Ottawa Train Station?
[edit]Earlier today, this article was boldly moved in good faith from Ottawa Train Station to Ottawa Railway Station with the edit summary "Canadian English". I'm always delighted to see Canadian English usage on Wikipedia. However, I think the perennial Canadian English issue is "railway versus railroad" not "railway versus train", and (correct me if I am wrong) there is nothing un-Canadian about "train station". Moreover, our rules about using Canadian English do not require us to use article titles that differ from the common names for the subject. As far as I know, the building is usually known as the Ottawa Train Station - that's what VIA seems to call it and the adjacent public transit station is specifically called Train Station. I might be wrong in my assumptions, so I thought I'd canvass everyone's thoughts. Regards, --Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- We should simply use the tile the sources use... thus the one people will see and be familiar with. VIA rail and tripadvisor. -- Moxy (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- I think that the article should stay at Ottawa Train Station. As stated in the previous paragraph, the debate is not about the use of "train" in Canadian English, but truly on the use of railway vs. railroad. Even Wikipedia states that difference in Train station where "train" and "railway" are both indicated as being Commonwealth English. Also, the name "Ottawa Train Station" is what can be found on the Via Rail web page for the train station. Although not authoritative, Google Maps also lists it as Ottawa Train Station (Google Maps). Finally, the building itself is of no help in this case as it only states "Ottawa Station" in English ("Gare d'Ottawa" in French). --TevirSelrahc (talk) 18:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- I see no reason for the article to have been moved to that name. The nearby OC Transpo facilty is called "Train Station" because the current VIA station is known as "Ottawa Train Station". If the article had been moved correctly for Canadian usage it would have been to lower case "railway station" and not capitalized. Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:35, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed, Skeezix correctly diagnoses that the issue in Canadian English is "railway vs. railroad" — regardless of which word one uses for the fixed infrastructure, however, the vehicle that travels on the rails is quite correctly and legitimately called a train. And that vehicle, not the rails, is what arrives at and departs from the station, so "train station" is a perfectly legitimate and correct usage too, and so the move rationale was an invalid one since the existing name was in no way a CanE violation. That said, I'd follow whichever name, train or railway, is actually used in reliable sources about the station — which, according to all of the above evidence, does indeed appear to be "train". Move back. Bearcat (talk) 22:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
- My bad! It looked out of kilter with the naming conventions for other, neighbouring, stations, but SecondaryWaltz evidently knows the network far better than I could. Let's leave as it is. John Snow II (talk) 16:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Location
[edit]The map does not show the location of Ottawa station within Ottawa. Peter Horn User talk 23:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
- It does on my computer. The black text is pretty hard to read, I'll give you that. BLAIXX 01:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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