Talk:My My My! (Troye Sivan song)

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Undiscussed moves

04:56, 15 August 2022 Tree Critter talk contribs moved page Talk:My My My (Armand Van Helden song) to Talk:My My My (song) (WP:SONGDAB) (revert) (thank)

04:56, 15 August 2022 Tree Critter talk contribs moved page My My My (Armand Van Helden song) to My My My (song) (WP:SONGDAB) (revert) (thank)

04:53, 15 August 2022 Tree Critter talk contribs moved page My, My, My (Johnny Gill song) to My, My, My (song) (WP:SONGDAB) (revert) (thank)

04:53, 15 August 2022 Tree Critter talk contribs moved page Talk:My, My, My (Johnny Gill song) to Talk:My, My, My (song) (WP:SONGDAB) (revert) (thank)

04:53, 15 August 2022 Tree Critter talk contribs moved page My My My! (Troye Sivan song) to My My My! (song) (WP:SONGDAB) (revert) (thank)

04:53, 15 August 2022 Tree Critter talk contribs moved page Talk:My My My! (Troye Sivan song) to Talk:My My My! (song) (WP:SONGDAB) (revert) (thank)

Please undo and put to RM. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved to bare title; instead, restored long-standing title My My My! (Troye Sivan song), since the broad consensus is that small details are not sufficient and consistent disambiguation among several similarly named songs. No such user (talk) 09:29, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My My My! (song) → My My My! – Exclamation points are disambiguation enough per WP:SMALLDETAILS. This is now the third denied technical move request that is substantiated by WP:NCMDAB and WP:SMALLDETAILS. User:Gonnym disagrees. My old request still stands. If you disagree with this POLICY and this GUIDLEINE, then please take it up there. Tree Critter (talk) 16:13, 15 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 04:58, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support none of the others use the !, anyone intentionally typing it could only be looking for this one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, and also restore song article titles that were also moved without disscussion. All of the pages were moved without disscussion by the nominator. The previous titles, which were with the artist names makes these songs easily recognizable by readers using the search box and by editors adding links to these songs. On the other hand, a comma or an exlamiation mark, is something that is most, standard readers, wouldn't even know to which song it belongs to. Gonnym (talk) 10:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and restore all three moves made by the proposer. An exclamation mark or commas or lack of either are very definitely not sufficient for disambiguation. Who would be expected to know the exact punctuation used in each? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You or User:Gonnym gonna take that up with WP:SMALLDETAILS, or do you only have a problem with it when it comes to specifically "My My My"? Tree Critter (talk) 04:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SMALLDETAILS (a) does not actually mandate this principle, and (b) is and has always been highly controversial and is often ignored at RM if the discussion goes against it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What else could the title with the "!" possible refer to? None of the others make any indication they are known with it. This isn't like Talk:The In-Between (2019 film)#Requested move 10 May 2022 where both could easily be spelled either way it looks like the ! is only applied to this one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What if the person doing the searching is unaware of what the punctuation actually is? I could easily see frustration happening given all the entries at My My My. Then with multiple hat entries, it's easy to miss the first one. A hat to the dab is then two extra clicks when having the artist readily displayed in results eliminates all of that. -2pou (talk) 21:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and restore per previous commenters – Smalldetails does not suggest such a move, as I read it. Dicklyon (talk) 05:13, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for clarity. I'm reminded of Attack! Attack! and Attack Attack!, titles that we very sensibly decided to clarify despite the subtle difference of an exclamation point. ╠╣uw [talk] 15:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that was a mistake, as was pointed out despite risk of confusion there was nothing ambiguous about the single or double !. As I pointed out at Talk:Hat (Davy Graham album)#Requested move 25 May 2021 you can't rely on the fact one includes a "." but anyone intentionally using the "." could only be looking for Mike Keneally one. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Titles that are technically distinct can still be confusing or unclear. In fact, just browsing the list of citations in our own article I see some that show no exclamation point...

6. Weiss, Geoff (8 January 2018). "Troye Sivan Dropping New Single "My My My," Named Face Of Valentino Menswear". Tubefilter. Retrieved 11 January 2018.
9. Gray, Julia (8 January 2018). "Troye Sivan's New Single 'My My My' Drops Thursday". Paper. Retrieved 11 January 2018.

...and another that uses three:

65 "Canadian single certifications – Troye Sivan – My! My! My!". Music Canada. Retrieved 11 July 2018.

You can also easily find lots of reviews and features online that don't use the exclamation point consistently.[1][2][3][4][5] In this case the punctuation by itself just isn't a sufficiently clear differentiator. ╠╣uw [talk] 18:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, restore all three articles this shouldn't even be an RM, all three undiscussed article moves should have been reverted by technical requests. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.