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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no move. JPG-GR (talk) 05:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Ryan (American football) → Matt Ryan — He's way more notable than Matt Ryan (ice hockey) and he should own the main name. Matthew Ryan should be left as a dab page as he doesn't go by Matthew. Obviously, the hatnote would remain. —Oren0 (talk) 18:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. Top hit for Google.com is the footballer, but top hit from Google.co.uk is the Olympic medal winner (Matthew Ryan (equestrian)), who has the mattryan.co.uk domain name despite the name of his article. I am thinking that Matthew Ryan (equestrian) perhaps needs to be moved to Matt Ryan (equestrian)? Too many Matt/Matthew Ryans to give one person primary usage. Thy skinnyitalian (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google results aren't everything. If the equestrian guy was really such a major usage, I'd think he'd have more than a 4-sentence stub article. This article is only going to grow and Matt Ryan's popularity is only going to increase now that he's soon to be an NFL starting QB. There's no reason not to anticipate this now and make this move. Oren0 (talk) 17:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Please do not speculate, per WP:CRYSTALBALL. He's not a starting QB yet. There haven't been any minicamps yet. He could break both his ankles and never play again in his life. So, wait until he's an actual NFL QB before displacing someone who has already and concretely achieved notability. --DrPeterBlood (talk) 13:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Anticipating stardom in the National Football League in itself is crystal balling. At present, there is no primary article for Matt Ryan (both with that exact name are stubs), and it can be argued that a professional hockey player (on a junior level) has comparable notability as the college football player. Thus Matt Ryan should either be a disambiguation page or (as currently done) redirect to a Matthew Ryan dab page. B.Wind (talk) 01:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Matt Ryan (football)'s college achievements alone put him miles higher in notability than a minor league hockey player. And I believe that saying that an article with several sections and paragraphs, 8 references, and numerous succession and infoboxes is a stub like an article with only one sentence: "Matt Ryan (born on November 12, 1983 in Sharon, Ontario) is a centre for the Manchester Monarchs, the AHL affiliate of the Los Angeles Kings." is a stub is not really a fair comparison. Oren0 (talk) 02:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment - Just because someone has a stub and another a huge article doesn't mean that one is more notable than the other. it just means that someone put more work into the longer article. So maybe we can fill out the hockey Mat Ryan's article instead of demoting it. Wikipedia has no deadline, so it's not like there should be a rush to do so.--DrPeterBlood (talk) 13:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Matt Ryan the QB is WAY more notable than Matt Ryan the minor league hockey player. WP:Google notwithstanding, I checked the first 100 Google results for "Matt Ryan". All I found was the football player, the disambiguation page, 1 result for an actor that doesn't even have a WP page, and one result for some sort of cartoonist. No mention of any hockey player, horse rider, or anyone else listed at Matthew Ryan. The notability difference between this Matt Ryan and the others is huge. It seems that this move will be defeated now, but I'm confident it'll happen once football season starts, so it's a shame that people in the meantime will have trouble finding the Matt Ryan they're almost certainly looking for. Oren0 (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Before you continue discussing "notability", it is most highly suggested that you read WP:N and WP:ATHLETE. In many areas of the world, there is a huge difference in "notability" because one has participated in professional games and the other has not. Your argument may wind up true by WP:ATHLETE in September, but it is not the case right now, and - as I pointed out before - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and right now the American football Matt Ryan has yet to play a down on the professional level, let alone the highest one. The more proper move is to make Matt Ryan a disambiguation page without bias toward or against any one Matt Ryan... or keep it a redirect to the Matthew Ryan dab page, which probably would be a better move in the long run. B.Wind (talk) 04:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm quite familiar with WP:ATHLETE: "Competitors and coaches who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports." His notability from college play alone makes him more notable than the others. Oren0 (talk) 05:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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2008 season overdetailed

The section on Ryan's 2008 season was filled with too much game by game performance summaries and was getting too long. I removed all but mentions to instances marking highlights or milestones. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 19:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (2009)

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The result of the move request was page moved per discussion. GTBacchus^(talk) 00:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Ryan (American football) → Matt Ryan — I suggested this move about a year and a half ago and was advised that we should wait until Ryan has actually played professionally before moving this page. Now he is in his second season, and my previous reasoning is even more true. Compare this article to the other two Matt Ryans: Matt Ryan (rower) and Matt Ryan (ice hockey). Both articles are barely stubs and are subjects who are barely notable, especially in comparison to this one. Just compare the traffic stats of the three articles: this article: ~600 hits/day, the rower: ~4 hits/day, the hockey player: ~5 hits/day. There is no competition notability-wise; this is the primary topic by a mile. Matt Ryan should redirect here with a hatnote; Matthew Ryan should be left alone. Oren0 (talk) 03:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Matthew Ryan (equestrian) was also mentioned in the previous discussion. That page receives ~5 hits/day. Oren0 (talk) 03:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"this is the primary topic by a mile": to people who follow American football. Many are not Americans and (or for other reasons) do not follow American football. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:08, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's true but article sizes and traffic stats don't lie. If either of the other topics were remotely as important to the readers or editors of the encyclopedia, this article wouldn't be 100x the length of the others and wouldn't get 100x the traffic. Oren0 (talk) 02:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm all for it. The hits on this page are by a VERY large margin more than all the other articles combined. The football Matt Ryan has received numerous major awards and set records at this point. He is by far more notable than any other Matt Ryan. 76.97.112.7 (talk) 19:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Where did he attend college?

The section on his college career fails to mention where he went to college. 71.51.38.171 (talk) 04:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC) Larry Anglin[reply]

In the template on the right-hand side it says Boston College. --Mjrmtg (talk) 05:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a mention of Boston College in the opening of the section. Readers should not have to search through the entire article to find something so basic as the subject's alma mater. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 season?

What happened to the 2010 season section? Why no details beyond week 12?

College degree?

Did he graduate from BC? What was his major? 50.16.199.24 (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Matty Ice

I was wondering why "Matty Ice" isn't used as his nickname instead of "Matt". I would like someone to check the redirect traffic of people searching "Matty Ice", I guarantee a significant portion of them are looking for Matthew Ryan. When Googling "Matty Ice", Matt Ryan is the dominant subject of most of the first four pages. Dragonsfly20 (talk) 01:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 20 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus supports the move. Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:12, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Ryan → Matt Ryan (American football) – yup, looks like the previous 2009 move was crystal balling; Matt Ryan (actor) didn't even exist then. Now, since the actor is a firmly established presence, it's patently clear that the American football player is no longer the primary topic - he is only getting 54% of the pageviews for all things Matt Ryan, which is certainly far too low for him to stay at an undisambiguated title. Both the actor and football player are very prominent these days, so it seems best to ambiguate to avoid mislinks, and I believe they will both have similar long-term significance. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:24, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support - there's no clear "primary" person with this name. ONR (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support redirect to Matthew Ryan In ictu oculi (talk) 07:43, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Need to add Matt's performance and stats in the NFC Championship game against the Green Bay Packers. Led Falcons to upcoming Super Bowl LI. 161.162.92.83 (talk) 16:34, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Can someone protect this page for a few weeks?

There's somebody who keeps messing up with Matt Ryan's page, so I feel like this is necessary right now. They just keep on spamming. (Vandalism) The Gamer 91 (talk) 15:12, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Potential interest for page move

To all who come across this: I just want some opinions. I think Matt Ryan the quarterback is by far the most notable to have his name among the other articles that share his namesake. I think the main Matt Ryan page should go to the quarterback. Doing so would mean we need to move contents of the Matt Ryan disambiguation page to like "Matt Ryan (disambiguation) to showcase the other namesakes. I am just gauging interest to see if this would be non-controversial. Red Director (talk) 21:24, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Ryan for anybody reading who's too lazy to search.

After reviewing those listed on the disambiguation page, it seems pretty clear that this Matt Ryan is the most notable. Do we need to move anything besides removing the redirect from Matt Ryan? I ask that because there's already a Mathew Ryan page which isn't disambiguated. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First off, I think for Mathew Ryan, it could get get the same treatment with its own disambiguation page leading to all Matthew (or Mathew) Ryans. Now, for Matt Ryans, it is as simple as moving the redirect Matt Ryan to here. Making sure the (American football) article redirects to Matt Ryan once that is done. That would require many changes across a lot of articles, which could be done in process of other edits. I will run view counts of the other Matt Ryan articles to make sure the quarterback is most notable, which I think is he would be but I cannot verify. Thanks for getting back! Red Director (talk) 12:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found some interesting information with data going back to 2015:

Page views going back to 2015
Matt Ryan (American football)	5,824,181	54.59%
Matt Ryan (actor)	2,344,205	21.97%
Mathew Ryan	1,533,484	14.37%
Matt Ryan	715,578	6.71%
Matt Ryan (basketball)	75,819	0.71%
Matthew Ryan (musician)	65,656	0.62%
Matthew Ryan (equestrian)	17,939	0.17%
Matt Ryan (rugby league)	15,234	0.14%
Matthew J. Ryan	14,257	0.13%
Matthew Ryan (rugby league)	10,966	0.10%
Matt Ryan (ice hockey)	9,121	0.09%
Matt Ryan (rower)	8,362	0.08%
Matthew T. Ryan	7,754	0.07%
Mat Ryan	6,623	0.06%
Matthew Ryan (Australian rules footballer)	5,640	0.05%
Mat Ryan (rugby league)	4,775	0.04%
Matthew Ryan (writer)	4,123	0.04%
Matthew Ryan (handballer)	3,549	0.03%
Matthew Ryan (politician)	1,429	0.01%

It seems the actor and Mathew Ryan are notable enough to warrant all of the Ryans having a disambiguator. The quarterback is by far the most popular and has the greatest peaks when something notable happens, but I feel a move to make the quarterback the primary Ryan could be controversial. Red Director (talk) 22:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I'm very surprised about this. I thought the QB would be much further head. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:31, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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