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Commercial Events not encyclopedic

Wikipedia is not really the place to publicize the opening of stores. I will temporarily move such events into their own section for comment but, most likely, they will be deleted. If you want to publicize your store, buy an ad somewhere rewinn 00:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

School district

In the education section, there's a link to Marysville School District, but that is just a self-redirect to this page's education section. We might remove the link, but an editor on the school district page a while ago suggested making it into a stand-alone article, so I don't know. 71.231.76.242 (talk) 20:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per the "self-redirects" section of WP:R2D: "Avoid linking to titles which redirect straight back to the page on which the link is found."

I do agree that the district should have its own stand-alone article. But for now, I think the link should be removed from this article. It can always be re-added later once the school district page is created. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that this article says nothing about all the tweakers and dopeheads around here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.130.113 (talk) 02:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename park structure

This is not a "gondola" (a boat) but better described as a gazebo.Parkwells (talk) 14:38, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking

Bruce: great improvement and expansion. This issue I'm sure is a relic of the expansion and a bit more smoothing is needed. You or another ed. may want to consider the proliferation of links described below. I know we can IAR and re-link terms in a detailed section when they were first mentioned way up in the lede, and some in the list below are in captions/infobox which is OK, but this may be a bit overboard.

Arlington Municipal Airport (Washington) 3x
Community Transit 4x
Everett, Washington 6x
Mount Pilchuck 3x
Naval Station Everett 3x
Quil Ceda Village 4x
Seattle 4x
Smokey Point, Washington 6x
Snohomish County 8x (I think)
Snohomish County Public Utility District 3x
Snohomish River 3x
Tulalip Indian Reservation 7x

I'm not just ripping these out wholesale because as primary author I thought you'd want the choice of which to leave in. Cheers - Brianhe (talk) 20:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Brianhe: Thanks for the thorough review and spotcheck. I seem to have missed a lot of errors and typos in my week-long scramble to get this article into shape! I'll work on delinking most of these, but a few links will need to be repeated. Sounder Bruce 22:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's what's awesome about crowdsourced/participatory content creation, you can leave it half-finished or 99% finished and there's no shame, in fact maybe it's better that way to get a fresh perspective. Anyway enough philosophizing, again you did a great job with the expansion. - Brianhe (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Growth management

This article is a good potential showcase for a discussion of the relationship of a rapidly growing urban area and the former rural character of Western Washington, and in particular the role the state's Growth Managment Act (GMA) has to play. Here are some suggested sources for expansion.

Snohomish County: Growing Pains -- Rural Areas Left Out In The Cold, Landowners Say, Seattle Times, 1995
Snohomish County expected to grow 25 percent by 2035, Everett Herald, 2016
Snohomish County facing hefty penalty, Seattle Times, 2004 (state imposes penalties for ignoring GMA)
Lynnwood tries for more turf in South Snohomish County Seattle Times 2008 - implied competition between Bothell, Lynnwood, Marysville all of which are mentioned
Navy homeporting plan (1998) 2.8 percent housing vacancy rate discussed due to rapid growth, §5.8 -- PD document can be freely copied from
GMA population projections, Wash. OFM, 2008 - perhaps newer document can be found

I may be able to return to start this but I thought that sharing the sources could get the ball rolling if another editor wants to take it on. - Brianhe (talk) 20:54, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While Marysville is definitely a showcase of what the act and urban development in the region looks like, I think it would be better suited to articles like the GMA, Seattle metropolitan area or the county's history section. Sounder Bruce 22:35, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, it may make a better quick gloss here with a {{further}} or other link to the main subject. - Brianhe (talk) 23:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments

I don't have time to do a full review for good article, but there are some important issues with the text. For example:

"As the second-largest city after Everett," .... do you mean in a particular county? Because I'm pretty sure Spokane is the second largest city in Washington state. But then, you end the sentence by talking about the whole state again "; as of 2015, Marysville is the fastest-growing city in Washington state". There are two ideas here in one sentence, so this is very confusing. Randomly further down, you write "Marysville's population was historically limited to below 2,000 residents" ... what does this mean? Need some specific dates for this to make sense. Sorry this is just a drive by, but those are 2 easy fixes. Mattximus (talk) 16:59, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattximus: Thanks for your comments. I've clarified the population statements in the lead and re-worded the demographic section's sentence. Sounder Bruce 05:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Marysville, Washington/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 07:09, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 07:09, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Marysville is a city in Snohomish County, Washington, United States. It is the second-largest city in the county after Everett, with a population of 60,020 in the 2010 U.S. census." could these two sentences be combined? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd prefer to leave them separate, given that the first is a self-contained statement and the second leads into the rest of the paragraph. Should I merge the first sentence with some of the location information instead?
  - Yes. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:40, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Y Done.
"What is a third/fourth class city? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Y Added a link to the definition, but it's the classification system for cities used by the state government that determines governance and organization.
"The NASCAR site was later pitched as a candidate for a new University of Washington satellite campus (known as UW North Sound) in the late 2000s,[36] competing with downtown Everett,[37] before the project was put on hold in 2008 and cancelled in 2011.[38][39]" why was it put on hold and cancelled? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Y Added some clarification.
Anything regarding climate? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- N Marysville does not have climate data of its own and would need to rely on data from Arlington's airport or Everett, which both vary slightly from the city.
Why are population changes pre-1950 mentioned in the history and ones post-1950 mentioned in the demographic section? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I felt it was more appropriate to have historic population growth in the history section, and modern-day growth in the demographics section, which is still subject to change. Should I do some shuffling/mixing of the two?
Avoid WP:OVERLINK in the demographics section please. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Y Done.
"Marysville ranks eighth among Washington cities for commute times, with an average commute of approximately 30 minutes.[70][144]" eighth highest or eighth lowest? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 06:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Y Clarified it as eighth-longest.

@Yellow Evan: Thanks for the review. I think I've answered the points you've raised. Sounder Bruce 06:33, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Status of Marysville Globe and The Arlington Times

First off, I want to congratulate SounderBruce on the article in the Herald; he's certainly part of an exclusive club now! That said, with it mentioning Marysville and knowing that both the Herald and the Globe are sister papers, I wanted to see if the latter made any mention of him, so I checked it only to find that it and the Times have not made independent reports since the start of the COVID-19 lockdown in Washington state. Seeing as Sound Publishing doesn't even list them in its portfolio now, I think it's safe to assume that both papers have ceased operations. With that in mind, I have updated the articles of both newspapers with this info, and I feel that the Media sections in the Marysville and Arlington articles should be updated as well; however, since no official statement was ever made (and I doubt Sound Publishing will do so in the near future), I don't want to run afoul of WP:OR. I have no idea on what should be done at this point, so I would like to solicit suggestions here on how to proceed. SmartAn01 (talk) 08:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SmartAn01: Thanks for the shoutout. I think it's best to treat this as an unverifiable situation until a proper source is found. We can always update the articles as needed once an official statement is released, but for now the status quo should do. Sounder Bruce 18:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SounderBruce: In that case, would it be okay to state that both papers are on indefinite hiatus (or that they have not issued in print) since the last print publication, or would that run afoul of WP:OR as well? SmartAn01 (talk) 19:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would definitely be OR. Sounder Bruce 00:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

35 miles north of Seattle?

Google Maps shows that the driving distance from the "center" of Marysville at 4th and State to the 145th Street exit at I-5, the Seattle city limits, is 25.0 miles – much less than 35 reported in the lede of this article. This kind of measurement is IMO how Americans usually reckon distances between cities. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's being measured from Downtown Seattle, which is also what WSDOT also uses for their mileage charts. Sounder Bruce 21:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]