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On 18 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from List of international visits made by Nicola Sturgeon to List of international trips made by Nicola Sturgeon. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 18 November 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved per consensus of WP:CONSISTENT with other such articles. No prejudice whether a separate follow up RM is held that moves all of these articles and related category to use "visits" instead if editors so desire. (closed by non-admin page mover) Raladic (talk) 23:37, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of international visits made by Nicola Sturgeon → List of international trips made by Nicola Sturgeon – As per WP: CONSISTENT, in line with articles at Category:Lists of diplomatic trips which this article is a member of. – robertsky (talk) 13:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Raladic (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, I also note that in Category:Lists of diplomatic visits by heads of state the consistency is less clear. – robertsky (talk) 13:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. "Trips" is a semi-informal, non-encyclopedic term and "visits" matches the tone we'd expect far better than that. "International trips" would also potentially include private vacations and suchlike, which isn't within the scope of this article. Also, see the article's source [1] which uses visits. "State visits" is another option, but not certain that applies to the first minister of Scotland or just to leaders of nation states. If other articles are incorrectly named then the solution for consistency is to rename those to be correct rather than making even more articles have a silly title. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 14:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There are 160+ other articles titled "international presidential/prime ministerial trips" so it's in line with other titles as per WP:CONSISTENT unless we agree to move all of them to "visits". The only articles where "state visits" is used is of monarchs of a country and not with president/prime minister. Also other first ministers of Scotland also have their articles titled as "international trips" see, List of international trips made by Alex Salmond, List of international trips made by Henry McLeish, List of international trips made by Humza Yousaf, and List of international trips made by Jack McConnell.

— Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 17:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I explained to you in the talk chat, we can make it consistent by moving the other articles to use the encylopedic term "visit". Consistency isn't a reason to move this page, you need to say why "trip" in particular is the best title, and so far you haven't given a single reason why. — Amakuru (talk) 17:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you or someone else could move all these 160+ articles to "visits" instead of "trips" I'm all for it. As long as they have same title naming convention. I've got no issue with all such articles being moved to "visits", consistency is important because there's a higher chance of people using the same probable search terms for all articles. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 06:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. WP:CONSISTENT. Her article needs to be in line with the others. Theparties (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Lists and WikiProject Politics have been notified of this discussion. Raladic (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting to gain clearer consensus if visit or trips would be preferred as there seems to be a consistency issue being discussed Raladic (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. "Trip" is as good of a word as "visit". There is nothing too informal about "trip", which is common, ordinary language. See e.g. [2], [3], using trip and visit as synonyms. Neither the word "trip" nor "visit" inherently rules out private trips/visits more than the other; either way, a descriptive title is not expected to specify every aspect of the topic/scope. Between two otherwise equally good words, it's reasonable to pick the one more often being used in similar titles. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.