For characters from the games, the character must have made a substantial (e.g. non cameo) appearance in at leasttwoSonic games. Because Sonic has such a large cast of characters, this list is primarily dedicated to major ones. One-off or minor characters are considered out of this list's scope and should be covered within their respective game's article rather than here.
An example of a character who meets this criteria is Ray the Flying Squirrel, who makes substantial appearances in SegaSonic the Hedgehog and Sonic Mania Plus. This is the minimum required for a character to be considered noteworthy for this list.
An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Princess Elise, whose only substantial appearance is in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). Unless she makes another non-cameo appearance in the future, she fails the inclusion criteria.
For characters from other media (TV shows, movies, and comics), the character must have made a substantial appearance in at leasttwo different forms of media. Because Sonic is primarily a video game franchise and there are too many Sonic characters exclusive to non-video game media to be listed here, a separate criteria exists to determine if a non-game character can be listed.
An example of a character who meets this criteria is Princess Sally, who made substantial appearances in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon and the Archie Comics Sonic the Hedgehog series. Therefore, she can be listed, even though she has never made a substantial appearance in a Sonic game.
An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Geoffrey St. John, who, while a fairly significant character within the Archie Comics Sonic series, never appeared outside it. Thus, unless he makes an appearance in another form of media in the future, he fails the inclusion criteria.
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While they are separate characters, it would probably work better as a sub-mention in Metal for now unless reliable sources give it some more weight for its own section.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds unencyclopedic to me. Even if people find them similar enough (and get them mixed up at times), they're officially considered separate characters with no ties to each other besides being Eggman creations. They've even occasionally appeared in the same game together, and Mecha predates Metal. Endianer (talk) 06:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Part of the problem is content to discuss: outside of the recent appearance in the comics, Mecha has very little to discuss and is more notable as a precursor design to Metal. Additionally keep in mind Wikipedia is not meant to be a documentation of everything.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That one is easy. He has made substantial appearances in at least two Sonic games: Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles as important boss battles near the end. The Game Gear version is also a whole different game from the Genesis game (completely different story and levels), and he was in it as well, making that at least 3 games. Endianer (talk) 17:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Substantial is probably an oversell, but yes, he made appearances. But reliable sources are the most crucial part, you still havent provided any of that. Sergecross73msg me18:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Should G.U.N. and the Commander (Abraham Tower) be added to the character page now (or at the very least G.U.N.)? As they've been a major part of the Sonic franchise since SA2 now with G.U.N. being in many games & are a major part of the live-action films and Commander Tower has been in at least two games (Shadow & Chronicles), is in the Dark Beginnings web series (where his name was revealed too) and has a loose adaption in the films with Commander Walters.
Also whilst she can maybe be added once she has a full fledged appearance, but Professor Victoria could later be added too under the GUN section, with her having cameoed in two episodes of TailsTube, having a cameo in Sonic Movie 3 and being confirmed to have written Gerald Robotnik's diary for Shadow Generations (through the Japanese translation). Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the sources can be supplied for them, then sure, I'd say that seems sound.
One thing that I think is possibly worth noting is that the name "Abraham Tower" originates from the version of the character presented in the Archie Comics Sonic series, where Ian Flynn gave him that name after making him a major character in some storylines. Flynn wrote this name into the mainline games canon after being brought on to write Shadow Generations and its tie-in prequel animation.
This is mentioned on the Sonic wiki, but only sourced to a forum post on Flynn's website, which obviously wouldn't be admissable here. It seems doubtful that we would find a secondary source confirming this fact, so it probably is out of scope to mention here, but on the off chance that a secondary source does exist, I think a brief acknowledgement of that fact in a section on G.U.N. could be worthwhile. silviaASH(inquire within)22:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I guess my only other comment is, unless there's a pretty darn substantial amount of coverage on Professor Victoria, I don't think she deserves a mention. There's not really much to write about her in this particular context at the moment; she's got more fan theories about her than actual official content to cover. (And also her existing appearances don't count towards the list requirement since they're all cameos.) We should wait till she actually appears, but even then coverage about her is probably going to be limited to the standalone article on whatever game or other media she's in. silviaASH(inquire within)22:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With the Abraham Tower thing, that was something Ian Flynn asked about and SEGA allowed to become canon, so it definitely is his official full name now. But yeah if I (or someone else) writes the sections, it should definitely be included in the Commander's with another source talking about it. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Wondering why Amy Rose doesn't have an article here, I found this, and can't believe that Amy doesn't have enough secondary sources to prove notability while Shadow has as Amy was created way before Shadow and she is featured way more widely in medias than him. Even if the existing sources were not enough for proving notability, I think such a popular and widely featured character should have many other secondary sources.
Do you have other sources, and what do you think about this? (I'm currently not proposing seperation as I didn't investigate the existing sources deeply and search for new sources, but asking for sources and comments.) RuzDD (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's been discussed at length, and the consensus that keeps coming up is that she doesn't have enough dedicated, significant coverage. I believe someone was working on a draft, so you could try collaborating with them and seeing what you come up with. Sergecross73msg me16:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I found some mistakes in them ("computer-generated image series" and "five main characters") (both) and think Cindy Robinson's photo would be better than Shannon Chan-Kent's as Shannon voiced Amy only in Sonic Prime (yours), I feel like probably both but at least one of these drafts is/are completely acceptable for the main namespace, though I'm not certain and don't have an opinion to which one is better as I didn't inspect them deeply (I also don't think I'm good at determining quality). RuzDD (talk) 22:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd wait before publishing either, this is one that is going to fall under a lot of scrutiny because it's been discussed so many times. Neither draft parties seemed to think they were ready to publish either... Sergecross73msg me23:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I find the idea that the Eggman, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow (especially given that I wrote this one, don't know how the hell anyone could read it, look at the sourcing, and question its notability), and Eggman articles be merged ludicrous. The coverage at those articles is far better than the coverage Amy and Chao had (and there seems to be a rough consensus that the Chao Garden is notable, Chao as a species just aren't), and there's plenty of coverage regarding the film versions of the characters that hasn't been implemented. I don't have time to present sources right now, but I'll add them to the individual articles' talk pages when I get the chance. JOEBRO6423:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I also find it ludicrous. But let me present my "devil's advocate" case by comparing Amy and Tails. I'd like to call this the "Tails test". Look at the reflist for Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog). What you'll find is shockingly bad - the only sources that focus on Tails specifically are Valnet sources. It's otherwise sourced to listicles, primary sources, and reviews for the games, nothing specifically about the character. Now compare that to User:Red Phoenix/sandbox/Amy Rose and its reflist. Are they any different?
No, they're not.
I removed the primary sources, for the most part, and tried to reduce how many Valnet sources were used, but they're otherwise no different - in fact the Amy draft includes some academic publishing as well on her impact in video games as a whole, and that's still not enough to change the consensus.
So where do we draw the line? I argue - legitimately - that Amy's demonstrated notability in our articles is at least equivalent to Tails. Knuckles is only marginally better in large part because he was meme'd as "Ugandan Knuckles". Doctor Eggman at least has this, but it otherwise looks much the same. Don't misunderstand me; I don't think any of them should be merged. But I now think that if this is what we're comparing Amy to, then I've at least created a draft that puts her on that standard. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and all that, yeah, but we're comparing similar characters on the same notability standards. And if we're reiterating the discussion at WT:VGCHAR about this and they were to be merged, then I don't want to live on this planet anymore. Red Phoenixtalk02:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
