Talk:List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters/Archive 6

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Can Sage be on the page now?

SPOILERS: Sage has now appeared in two games, both Sonic Frontiers and The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog. And considering the criteria, can she be added to the page? Plus it's likely that she'll be in more future games too, Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 02:57, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

No. She must have two substantial appearances in either the comics or games as per the list criteria. Sage in The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog doesn’t do anything substantial. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Seconded. Sergecross73 msg me 16:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

WHERE IS MECHA SONIC!!!!????

Please add him okay? 3rf8ugeruifcg e3tiuv befwwk jfkvgnewfmfhvi (talk) 20:53, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

He CANONONICLY showed up and fought Sonic 2ice!!! 3rf8ugeruifcg e3tiuv befwwk jfkvgnewfmfhvi (talk) 21:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Please read the inclusion criteria at the top of the page. Sergecross73 msg me 21:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Considering that Mecha Sonic appeared in more than one game, I'd say he qualifies for inclusion. Bluest Bird (talk) 07:45, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Feel free to workshop an entry that meets the inclusion criteria here. Sergecross73 msg me 13:56, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

He also appeared in the comics (More specifically, he was the main antagonist in Sonic the Hedgehog: Scrapnik Island.) Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:19, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2023

Please fix the “installments” typo on the following line found in the Vector the Crocodile section: “In all instalments'Bold text' of Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, he is a playable athlete.” 2603:9001:6F07:61C0:154B:F8FB:9D5F:8B96 (talk) 01:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done 💜  melecie  talk - 03:48, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you 💖 2603:9001:6F07:61C0:F1EE:7:9A8F:CDD5 (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2023 (2)

Please omit the false claim that Vector is a “modern exclusive” character in the following line: “Vector was also the only 'Modern exclusive' character (besides Shadow) to appear in the Sonic Boom franchise,” Although redesigned for the “modern” era, Vector was still introduced in the “classic” era, making this statement both unnecessary and false.

(God, the amount of errors on this page is making me want to make a Wikipedia account!) 2603:9001:6F07:61C0:154B:F8FB:9D5F:8B96 (talk) 01:25, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

 Note: The entire paragraph was added via this revision without any reliable sources provided. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done removed the unsourced paragraph. M.Bitton (talk) 19:12, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you 💖 2603:9001:6F07:61C0:F1EE:7:9A8F:CDD5 (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Silver the Hedgehog comment (fan dislike)

The 2 sources cited to support the claim of Silver being disliked by all fans are merely opinion pieces when actually explored, but their inclusion on the article is prefaced with the assertion that fans widely agree on this issue.

That’s an impossible measure and way too subjective, meaning the comment is false and misleading.

The same source, when read fully, goes on to insinuate other characters are hated by a specific ranking which is simply unsourced itself or unverifiable.

If the sources were actually talking about demonstrated fan feedback or evidence from the fan community itself, that would be different. But the sources don’t do that.

Citing 2 blatant opinion pieces from non-authorized sources should not be allowed. Thus the comment should be removed. 2607:FEA8:1C1E:6800:11FA:8167:F470:85AD (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not following - why are opinion pieces off limits for the reception of a character. That's what reception is - opinions. Sergecross73 msg me 15:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I’ll agree with the IP’s point but not fully on the reasoning, because both sources are by Jim Sterling. I’d be okay with it being stated it’s his opinion, but knowing how pointed he can be I wouldn’t say he speaks for all fans in any given situation. Red Phoenix ^talk 18:02, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

The current prose just says The character has generally not been very well received by critics, not anything related to the fanbase, but I agree that if both are Sterling, then we need to either adjust the wording or find another source or two so we can justify saying "critics". Sergecross73 msg me 18:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I thought on it but couldn’t as of yet sort how to do it given it’s a paragraph on its own and I think it would be undue weight to give Sterling the weight of a paragraph in this list. Red Phoenix ^talk 19:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Missing Carecter

"Sticks the badger" is a badger from sonic boom and it is missing in the carecter section can somebody please add it? Connorj2341 (talk) 15:56, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

She's already on the list. At the bottom, at List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters#Sticks the Badger. Sergecross73 msg me 16:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you i did not see it Connorj2341 (talk) 15:49, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Shadow the Hedgehog

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I'm merging shadow the hedgehog into list of sonic characters! 2A02:842A:864E:E101:C898:A18A:CBC0:55D9 (talk) 14:06, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose No merge reason stated or convincing argument to merge the article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Oppose and suggest Speedy Close No reasoning given and article seems fine as is.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 October 2023

Fang the "Sniper" is now called Fang the "Hunter" by official sources (even in Japanese), his section name (as in the headliner called Fang the Sniper) in this article should reflect that. 155.4.59.43 (talk) 04:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I believe it is about time for Amy Rose to have her own article

Sockpuppet discussion -- ferret (talk) 00:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I believe this article about Amy Rose is ready for publication. Amy Rose is notable. She has been around since 1993, i.e., for 30 years at the time of writing this. That is enough time for people to be aware of her existence. Amy has been a playable character in multiple games, a major non-playable character in others, and has been featured in a plethora of other media. What will it take for her to have her own article? I believe enough years have passed, a bunch of reliable sources have been cited, and sufficient edits have been made for this article to be polished to a level where it is ready to be published and viewed by the general public. Will it take her appearance in a future feature-length film for this article to be published? If anyone disagrees, please feel free to provide your explanation as to why Amy can't have her own article. I would love to hear it, but with all due respect, I truly hope a consensus is reached where everyone agrees that she should have her own separate article before another decade goes by. Happyblackcat (talk) 20:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC) On Wikipedia, whether or not a subject has its own article isn't dependent on how many games or films they appear in. It's whether or not it meets the WP:GNG. I'd recommend looking into the reasons her article was eliminated before, and providing evidence on how things have changed, instead, as that would be far more persuasive. I can dig up past discussions for you if you're serious about pursuing this. Sergecross73 msg me 00:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024

Please just let me edit the page thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7s6uy8iwj (talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Please submit requested changes on the talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Should Tom & Maddie Wachowski be added to the "Characters in other media"?

I was mainly wondering whether it's time to add Tom & Maddie to the "Characters in Other Media" section. As they're very important characters for the movie franchise, with them both being in three films as lead characters by the end of the year and Maddie even having a big role in the Knuckles show too (plus they were both in the "Prequill" comic for Sonic 2).

They haven't been in games no, but neither has Chris Thorndyke and he's on there and Sally only had a small cameo in Spinball. So yeah, I just wanted to see if anyone else thinks we should add them now (maybe even Agent Stone too potentially). Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

See the inclusion criteria at the top of the page. Sergecross73 msg me 23:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Technically then they should be allowed on right? Cause they've been in the movies, the Knuckles show and the prequel comic too. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 04:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

How about when it comes to exclusive members of the Guardian Unit of Nations (or G.U.N. for short) should we find some sources to establish a section for it as well as sections for Tikal and Pachacamac (who Christopher Lloyd is voicing in Knuckles) as both of them are currently redirecting to this article. --Rtkat3 (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm perfectly sure Big should have his own article

Sonic series may have a huge cast however, despite the oversize cast of the series, only about six of them get their own independent article while characters like Amy Rose can get into argument over she can have her own article. For Big, I have been writing a draft about Big within a sandbox and I think it's ready and loaded to become an independent article on Wikipedia because I was able to find my three best sources which are 14 or 21, 22 and 24. Also for some still-in-topic discussion, I also to believe other Sonic characters might get it own independent article instead of being a section the list article so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 02:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Which new sources that are significant coverage have you found? (It's best to link them rather than mention them by number like that since the numbering may change as it's being edited and altered.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I only think Big can really get his own article if other more important/prominent characters like Amy (who really needs one), Rouge, the Chaotix, etc. ever get their own first. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 21:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Just seen he does has his own page then, the fact that Big has his own page yet Amy doesn't is very bizzare. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

They published their draft without waiting for any feedback. I'm not particularly convinced either should have articles in their current state/what people have proposed in the past. Sergecross73 msg me 22:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tribal-Mand0 It usually doesn't matter if less important characters like for example, Bobby from Paper Mario: The Origami King gets his own article before more important like Bowser. Jr did which has been redirected due of not showing notability so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Still though, I think at the very least Amy deserves her own page then, considering she is one of the core main characters of the franchise. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 23:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Again, that's not how it works. Read WP:NVGC and the WP:GNG for how it works. Sergecross73 msg me 23:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I have seen an AFD discussion for Big the Cat. How minor is Big the Cat anyway? --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

What is that question supposed to mean? Sergecross73 msg me 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I think it's supposed to mean that @Rtkat3 has seen an AFD discussion for Big and wanted to know how minor he is. For the minor question, in my opinion, Big is not really a minor character in the series since he has made some important appearances in games like Sonic Adventure, Heroes and maybe Frontiers I guess? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Speaking frankly the "minor character" reasoning never sat right with me for that AfD, the bigger problem was the sourcing not really saying a lot about him to substantiate the article (no offense meant by that, I dug a bit too and struggled to find anything that could really carry it). But minor characters in a franchise can work perfectly fine as articles if they're picked up as fan favorites by media outlets or get some solid discussion behind them.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you described the cast as "oversized." But I would agree that if Big is to get an article, other more well-known and more popular characters should get an article first. Onuzurike424 (talk) 15:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Probably because video game critics and journalists have gone after the series for how many characters have been added over the years. I’m away from my sources to pull right now, but I’d thought on adding a section to this list about that criticism. (I’ll mention the quote “Silver the Unnecessary Hedgehog” is one that vividly sticks in my mind). Red Phoenix ^talk 16:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I think people forget how much heat the series used to get for having so many characters in the 2000s... Sergecross73 msg me 17:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)