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Don Mills Trail

Requested move 6 August 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus DrStrauss talk 21:02, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Leaside Spur Trail → Don Mills Trail – According to Toronto Parks, Forestry and Recreation, the name of the trail is Don Mills Trail, and this name appears at some of the entrances to the trail. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 19:22, 6 August 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. —Guan aco 06:37, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See also:

Toronto Parks website

Google Maps which gives the trail/park 3 names: Don Mills Trail, Leaside Spur Trail and CN Leaside Spur Park, but Toronto Parks has a webpage only for Don Mills Trail. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 02:06, 7 August 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. No such user (talk) 10:35, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

--Relisting. —usernamekiran(talk) 08:15, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Please advise what your "relisting" comment means? Thanks. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 02:41, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Requested moves#Relisting – indicates that more input is desired in the discussion. However, it is still in the RM backlog, probably due to mis-formatting, so I'm redoing it, above. No such user (talk) 10:35, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Fat pig73, Alaney2k, and Geo Swan: Your comments are welcome on the proposed move of Leaside Spur Trail. Thanks. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 14:37, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnny Au: Your comments are welcome on the proposed move of Leaside Spur Trail. Thanks. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 21:00, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- Seems straight-forward. I would have gone ahead and done the move myself. It's labelled Don Mills Trail on the latest Toronto cycling map. Alaney2k (talk) 14:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- How important is it for us to match our name to the official name? Officials sometimes pick goofy names, names chosen for some kind of idiosyncratic reason, or to suck up to a senior policitian's idiosyncracies? If policy or guidelines recommend going with the official name, let's do that. If we have some discration, I'm inclined to stick with the existing name.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 04:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I intended to mention the two older names (Leaside Spur Trail, CN Leaside Spur Park) in the introduction given that these names (along with Don Mills Trail) appear on Google Maps. The name Don Mills Trail is logical since the trail is entirely within the Don Mills neighbourhood.TheTrolleyPole (talk) 14:53, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRECISE. This is a bad choice of name by the city. The local common and distinguishing name of this trail is the Leaside Spur Trail, or some minor modification of that name (such as CN Leaside Spur, or Leaside rail trail). Googling "leaside spur trail -wikipedia" gives many results from reliable sources specifically identifying and describing this trail, such as Spacing.ca, blogTO, and the Toronto Star - none of these indicate the trail is known as "Don Mills Trail", only that it is located in the Don Mills community. Searching "don mills trail -wikipedia" gives an official City of Toronto page and an update page from the local councillor, otherwise you get a jumble of results matching one or two words from the names of many different trails in Don Mills and the Don Valley. Although this is its official name, if you asked Torontonians to identify the "Don Mills Trail", it's equally likely they would describe one of the several Don River trails, which also pass through the area historically known as Don Mills, past former grist mills on the Don River, and under Don Mills Road, for example. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- In the [blogTO article cited by Ivanvector, Frank KP Chow, Chief executive officer at Happily Retired, commented: (quote) I don't know how you got the name "Leaside Spur Trail'. It is nowhere in Leaside, but is located in Don Mills! I have a picture taken on May 12, 2012 where Toronto Councillor Jaye Robinson revealed a mock up of the sign for this trail, the "Don Mills Trail". (end of quote) TheTrolleyPole (talk) 15:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- It appears that the trail was recently renamed as "Don Mills Trail", the name appearing today at the both Lawrence Avenue entrances. The park name was put there sometime after Google Streetview photographed the location in July 2016. A 2010 City of Toronto PDF called the trail "Leaside CN Rail Spur". A 2016 City document uses both names suggesting a transition from "Leaside Spur Trail" to "Don Mills Trail". ("The applicant has provided a concept plan for interim and long-term connectivity to the on Mills Trail/Leaside Spur Trail and Sunnybrook Park. Both the interim and longterm proposed plans include a system of on-road cycling connections extending through private and public roads. Connections to the Don Mills Trail and Sunnybrook Park should be provided through a public multi-use trail designed in accordance with the City’s Multi-Use Trail Design Guidelines.") TheTrolleyPole (talk) 00:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be true, the city does seem to now be officially referring to this trail as the "Don Mills Trail", but it will be some time before this name will become prominent among local users (and reliable sources) as a name distinguishing it from the other trails known formally or informally as "Don" or "Don Mills" trails. The Leaside name comes from the railway which previously occupied the corridor, a spur connecting the CN Bala subdivision with the CP Belleville subdivision further south, which allowed access from the north to CN's Leaside Yard (approximately where the SmartCentre with the Home Depot is, off Laird south of Eglinton); consequently it was known as the Leaside Spur. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:48, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If I may summarize the debate so far, The TrolleyPole and Alaney2k are in favour of renaming the article from "Leaside Spur Trail" to "Don Mills Trail". Geo Swan and Ivanvector are against. Those opposed seem to accept that "Don Mills Trail" is now the official name of the trail but feel that Wikipedia should not acknowledge that change by renaming the article because they allege the City of Toronto chose an inappropriate name for the trail that might also lack popularity. How do we proceed from here? I still think we should use the official name for the article, and mention the old name. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 23:25, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.