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Black lagoons

The creature from the black lagoon is a great example of what lagoons may contain Uranometria (talk) 18:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed changes

I propose to edit the second paragraph of the article to globalize the list of examples of lagoons that do not include "lagoon" in their names, and to remove the non-relevant mentions of lagoons in a couple of countries. It is not appropriate to simply list lagoons here, that is what the Category:Lagoons is for. -- Donald Albury 13:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish and Catalan Albufera

Te traduction of Lagoon in catalan and spanish is Albufera, and there is some toponims with this name in the levantine coast of Spain and even Mallorca (S'Albufera). The most famous albufera is in Valencia.--ARAGONESE35 (talk) 10:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another proposed change

The first paragrath states that: "Salinity may vary from brackish water to hypersalinity" but should be "... from fresh water to ..." as some lagoons are mainly fresh water (e.g. Lagoa dos Patos). -- 02 November 2011

That language is quoted from a reliable source. We do not alter text within cited quotes. Find another reliable source that states that lagoons can be freshwater, and you can add a statement to that effect. -- Donald Albury 22:21, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

haff?

Is there a difference between a lagoon and a haff? A lagoon for me is in a tropical place, whereas a haff is for (maybe not only) Baltic bodies of water. See here. It at least deserves a mention in the article.Malick78 (talk) 10:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that haff is German for what is called a "lagoon" in English. It does not appear to refer to some sub-type of lagoon (it is associated with lagoons in the Baltic because they are close to Germany). While the use of the German (and Polish) name is good form in an article such as Szczecin Lagoon, I don't think this article should include words that simply translate "lagoon" in other languages. -- Donald Albury 14:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually 'haff' is an English word (See here). So my point is - how is it used in English? Malick78 (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That link is available only by subscription, and I don't like to activate "free" trials. Being listed in a dictionary does not make haff an English word. There is Haff disease, so named because it was first described among people living around the Frisches Haff. Google does find an entry in Merriam-Webster for Kurisches haff, which it labels a "geographical name". Britannia Online has something about "Haff (lagoon)" in "Baltic Sea (sea, Europe): Coastal features", but, again, you have to activate a "free" trial to see what it says. The 1911 Britannia had an article on "KURISCHES HAFF, a lagoon of Germany". So, I don't see any use of haff in English, other than as a German name for a lagoon. -- Donald Albury 22:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

definiton very old

I must question your poorly sourced definition of lagoon. The referenced book was published in 1961 and is no longer in print. Thereby, it is really no longer a valid and verifiable reference that Wikipedia really requires and desires in its community. Nearly all sources state that a lagoon is bordered by a sandbar and not land.

For example Websters New World dictionary defines a lagoon as follows:(1) A shallow lake or pond, especially one connected to a larger body of water. (2) The water enclosed by a circular coral reef. (3) Shallow water separated by the sea by sand dunes.

It would appear that all the above definitions would exclude many bodies of water from being classified as lagoons. Perhaps, you should review the article in question and update it in a manner that is modernized. Unverifiable and books that are no longer in print are not verifiable and easily questioned in the wikipedia community.

Thank you for your co-operation and understanding in the article in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.64.246.33 (talk) 20:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps our colleague has no access to libraries with room for books that don't contain the latest sex and violence. In any case, four and a half years later, the ref by Reid has been vaporized (consult this diff*), as if the colleague had cited a valid reason for removal. Just bcz it happened before you were born doesn't make untrustworthy, and in fact even if experts' use of the term has changed in those 56 years, that change of usage (or perhaps of understanding) is probably better discussed in the article rather than, in effect, denied.

* Or do a new diff to avoid trying to fix things corrected between when i save this and you read it, and note that changes often, and in this case, look more global than they are, bcz the tool's window isn't smart enuf to always recognize the difference between a change in paragraphing and removal of text.

--Jerzy•t 07:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand

I've tagged this with a 'globalise' tag, as currently more than half the article is about New Zealand. AlexTiefling (talk) 09:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@AlexTiefling: Most of the content about New Zealand is in one specific section of this article. Jarble (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That section seems to be out of proportion to the rest of the article. Should it be shortened? Should it get its own article? --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 10:43, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, probably should be trimmed a bit. Lizard (talk) 23:41, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Split?

Following on the suggestion above, I propose to split the New Zealand sections out to their own article, and leave a summary here. I trust that is OK with everyone. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support I've been uncomfortable about the size of that section in relation to the article since it was added 7 or 8 years ago. - Donald Albury 15:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Donald Albury:; Thanks for that: It's been a month now, and there's been no objection from anyone, so I've gone ahead and done it. I've also added a bit of detail in the Names section to provide the link. I trust that'll be OK with everybody. Regards, Moonraker12 (talk) 22:45, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Names

Do we really need a section giving the translation of "lagoon" in half a dozen languages? Almost this entire section is unsourced and I'm inclined to simply remove it rather than run down sources for all the translations. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 13:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This kind of thing shows up in some articles. I sort of started it more than 15 years ago when I compiled various English names that are applied to lagoons. I did want to make the point that a lagoon is a lagoon, whether or not it is called a lagoon. But, this is the English Wikipedia, and I agree that listing how a term is translated into every prominent language in the world is not really relevant. Perhaps a list of lagoons would work (there exist currently only List of lagoons of Albania and List of lagoons of South Africa), although there are a lot of articles about lagoons (cf. all the sub-cats of Category:Lagoons). - Donald Albury 21:24, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the paragraph talking about English-language usage is okay. The point that a lagoon is a lagoon whether or not it's called that seems a valid part of the story. If the rest could be boiled down to a single short sentence that the same is true in other languages, with some kind of supporting source, it'd be okay. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The best I found in a quick search was here, but it only illustrates that some languages have more than one word that translate "lagoon", which is not quite the same point, and I would be reluctant to use that site as a source for the idea that "lagoon" (or its equivalent in other languages) does not always occur in the common or official name of a lagoon. - Donald Albury 21:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caspian Sea

Largest lagoon in the world 119.30.41.25 (talk) 16:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is no useful sense in which the Caspian Sea is a lagoon. --Kent G. Budge (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Garabogazköl

This lagoon has an area of 18,000 km^2. So smaller than the New Caledonian lagoon and larger than Lake Maracaibo.

I wonder why it's not in the list of largest coastal lagoons. Aminabzz (talk) 14:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Likely because no one has gotten around to adding it yet. The article is not protected, so you can add it yourself. Donald Albury 15:18, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Analysis of revdel request

I see that user:Nthep declined the revdel request as unclear which way the copying went and user:dudhhr has added the revdel back with some more information in the edit summary. The Coastal Wiki has the text in 2012 which predates the addition to Wikipedia which is in 2021. @Nthep:: Please reconsider the revdel quest given the additional information. -- Whpq (talk) 02:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Whpq Let's agree that the content was copied from coastal wiki. It's two sentences, which had it been attributed, could pass as fair-use in terms of the size of this article and also from the size of the source. On that basis I'm not convinced that revdel of three years worth of edits is necessary, the removal of the material from the current revision suffices.

I acknowledge that another admin may take a different view and think revdel is appropriate which is why I haven't dealt with the request since my first decline. Nthep (talk) 09:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the application of revdel in situations like this comes down to administrator discretion. I posted here instead of taking action because the retagging of the revdel really looked like an other parent type of thing. Instead of retagging, it would have been better for dudhhr to just contact you with the additional information instead of burying it in an edit comment. In any case, based on this conversation, I will take action on the revdel request and decline it as too disruptive to the article history for such a very small amount of copied text. -- Whpq (talk) 13:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]