Talk:Khowar

Classification

It is yet to be ascertained as to whether Khowar is an Indo-Aryan language, thus for the time being its classification is, Indo-European-Indo-Iranian-Dardic-Khowar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred-Bolor (talk • contribs) 04:19, 5 June 2006‎

External links

Please see WP:EL for the purpose of external links. Personal sites etc. should not be linked. Just zis Guy you know? 13:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Article quality

This article should be cleaned up as half of the content is not about the Khowar language in general but about a certain Khowar author. The information about Mr.Rahmat Aziz Chitrali should be on a separate page dedicted to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.240.137.140 (talk) 23:21, 14 October 2006‎

wikilinks

The link to Gujar here and in other places with a list of the languages of Chitral appears to go to an inappropriate place. (Gujar redirects to Gujjar). Lavateraguy (talk) 14:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Rahmat Aziz

Personal information about Mr. Aziz and other Khowar authors does not belong on this page and thus must be deleted. Please form a separate page for Khowar Authors and add the details to that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.179.130 (talk) 20:50, 26 December 2008‎

Please note I have moved this post into its correct position time-wise. 220 of ^Borg 15:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Rahmat Aziz Chitrali

I have removed additions in ref to the above person. This article is about the Khowar language, not about Rahmat Aziz Chitrali. It is inappropriate to devote half a page on the Khowar language article to Rahmat Aziz Chitrali. If this person is sufficiently notable, then perhaps a separate article should be created about him. --Nuttycoconut (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Link to BLP mentioned Rehmat Aziz Chitrali, the first name seem to have been misspelt. 220 of ^Borg 15:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Khowar language template

If you are a native speaker of Khowar then you can help translate this template into your own language:

khwThis user is a native speaker of Khowar.

Edit

--Amazonien (talk) 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

khowar language

Mchapoti (talk) 15:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)khowar has been drived from the word khow ,khow is a famous tribe in chitral valley so khowar means the language of khow.intially khowar was spoken by the khow tribe but now a days it is spoken most part of the Chitral valley and it is also spoken in many parts of Gilgit.Khowar is written in arabic and persian script but there are many characters in khowar those are neither present in arabic nor in urdu and persian.khowar languge has drived most of its word from hindi(urdu)and urdu has drived these words from arabic and persian.khowar is also effected by the old senskrit, for example the word hem(snow) is the word of senskrit whitch is oftenly used in chitral for snow.Modern khowar has drived many of its words from Eglish language, for example the word tam has been drived from the word time,also the words problem,inform,cancle,thanks,ok,clear etc are commonly used in khowar language.khowar has an ability to except the words of other laguages, therfore it is developing day by day.(BY MANZOOR ELAHI)

alphabet

Is a romanization chart necessary? It would be more concise to say "Khowar is written in Arabic script" and list any special usages. —Tamfang (talk) 05:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Clean up

This article needs to be seriously cleaned up. For example: the language article currently reads that the language is regulated (!) by organizations lead/founded/? by Rehmat Aziz Khowar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.62.165.84 (talk) 04:13, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal

An editor has created Kowar language, on the same topic. Any parts of the new article which survive the copyvio investigation should be merged into this article.--Mhockey (talk) 14:24, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Kowar language was deleted on August 30 as both WP:G12 copyright infringement and WP:G5 a page created in violation of a ban.  Unician ∇  08:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should be speedily deleted because... (false language real name chitrali nor any khowar) --119.160.118.42 (talk) 05:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (kho is a tribe only so the speaker of chitrali language is khowar language) --119.160.119.16 (talk) 07:47, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism

The article has been semi-protected for three days as a first step to reduce the level of vandalism from one or more IP-address users. If that isn't effective, longer protection may be requested.  Unician ∇  09:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

The unsourced tables are, I think, quite dubious. Khowar is a language that doesn't transliterate well into either Roman or Arabic script, and dictionaries that I have seen don't include those words. I can only suggest that the tables should be deleted. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I removed the first comparative vocabulary table, which was full of vandalized insertions (many words in Spanish). If anyone has access to reliable information, please redo the table, but at this point it was impossible to say which forms were legitimate and which due to vandalism. Rilkas (talk) 04:49, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Unician:, @Sminthopsis84: et al. I have recently reverted to redirects a few cut and pastes of this page i.e. @ Chitrali language on 2014-09-28, Khowar only recently on 2015-02-26. Also reverted some apparently POV and Khowar to Chitrali related edits at Languages of Chitral. Mostly unexplained edits by IPs. This seems to be related to the IPs in the 119.160 range posting above ↑ under "Contested Deletion" who assert that the Khowar language does not exist. 220 of ^Borg 15:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

After notice at WP:LANG, I reverted the past year's edits to the lead. The population was falsified, as at various times were the refs. "Chitrali" is a perfectly acceptable name, but is more ambiguous than "Khowar", which is used by the ISO. — kwami (talk) 04:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2015

This page consist of many vandalism i want to correct these. So, kindly give me permission for; Semi protected edit request... Sikander Adam (talk) 14:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request. - Arjayay (talk) 14:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Hello, I recently noticed another page has been created that seems to duplicate the content of this page, I propose that i be merged back into this article. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 21:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

The duplicate article was a copy paste move attempt by socks of User:Najaf ali bhayo. I have reverted the content. Khestwol (talk) 21:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Writing System

Hello, Please anyone provide information about writing system of Khowar is written in Persian script or Urdu??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2000.dll (talk • contribs) 10:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2015

1. Khowar speaker population is 100,000 [1]
2. The language is also spoken in afghanistan, tajikistan and uzbekistan.[2]
3. The languages is also called kohwari.[3]

Request to Admin: Please unprotect this page.

 Not done The first ref suggested makes no mention at all of number of speakers, the second ref (omniglot) is not a reliable source per Wikipedia's rules, khowari is just the genitive/possessive form of khowar, and the article was protected because of a large number of unconstructive edits, many if not most of them made by socks of indefinitely blocked users. Thomas.W ^talk 10:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

You omitted comment on the third ref, so I'm adding my finding that there is no use of the spelling "kohwari" on the Ethnologue page. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Kohwari Language

The recently created article Kohwari Language appears to be discussing the exact same language/dialect. I redirected it here, which was reverted, and I will now leave the issue of merging (or not) to more knowledgeable editors. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Animalparty. I've converted it to a redirect and locked that page up, because it looks an awful lot like questionable editing from SPAs who are trying to avoid scrutiny, since this article (with the lowercase L) has been the source of rampant sockpuppet POV editing. Thanks for the eagle eye and the tip! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:42, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Is "Kohwari" even a recognised alternate spelling, or should all these redirects be scrubbed and salted? I can find a 1990 reference to a "small controversy" over the word "Khowar" being mispronounced as "xo'war" (meaning "inferior one") and there being some lobbying for a change to "Kohwar": "However, Inayatullah Faizi, the President of Anjuman-e-Taraqqi Khowar, the Chitrali literary society, recently informed us that the society has decided to retain the traditional Roman-script spelling, 'Khowar'." --McGeddon (talk) 08:25, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I lament that I know nothing about any of this stuff. I'm here solely in my capacity as a gnome admin. :/ Sadly the ones who probably actually know the most about this stuff are pernicious editors who resort to sockpuppetry to perpetuate their absurd ethnic wars instead of editing with integrity. Zing! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:03, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2015

Please remove incorrect sentence

The Norwegian Linguist Georg Morgenstierne wrote that Chitral is the area of the greatest linguistic diversity in the world. Although Khowar is the predominant language of Chitral, more than ten other languages are spoken here. These include Kalasha-mondr, Palula, Dameli, Gawar-Bati, Nuristani, Yidgha, Burushaski, Gojri, Wakhi, Kyrgyz , and Pashto. Since many of these languages have no written form, letters are usually written in Urdu, Pakistan's national language. Khowar is designated as one of 14 regional languages of Chitral, Pakistan.

It is not about khowar language and khowar has only loanwords of persian language. Sminthopsis247 (talk) 09:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Wait a second. Aren't you the blocked User:Compassionate247? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm supposing the answer is Yes. Despite that, I agree with the observation. In this article, the paragraph is mostly a digression, and it is already also located where it (assuming it's true and verifiable) belongs, at Chitral District#Languages. I would replace it and the following paragraph with something like (again, subject to truth and verifiability) "Khowar is the predominant language of Chitral, and one of the 14 designated regional languages there." I'd do it myself but under the circumstances I wanted to get feedback first. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:27, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

No replies, so I took care of it as I felt appropriate. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Do not replace Punjabi with Kalasha .....Farooq balti

@ Farooq balti I think you lack clarity about what is written in the article. Let me explain. Its written First; Khowar is a Dardic language (Need less to mention that Dardic languages include kalasha language as well). Second Dardic languages are separate group but has strong influences from neighbouring Indo aryan languages specially Punjabi (but also Sindhi, Pahari etc) . See the linguistic reference already given there which exactly says all this.Now I hope you will not remove Punjabi with Kalasha bcoz Kalasha by default is in the same dardic group just like shina and 20 other languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.47.210.128 (talk) 17:59, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually kashmiri is diffrent from dardic languages and punjabi does not relate to any of dardic languages punjabi language came from india. ( 43.224.236.241 (talk) 05:11, 19 February 2017 (UTC)).

Khowar in India

Khowar language is not spoken in India. There is no official record, I don't find any mention of it anywhere other than Ethnologue site, it is not mentioned by "European Foundation for South Asian Studies" [4] as well as on any gov. of India site. Neither, Ethnologue mentions how it collects data.

We had a similar discussion at Talk:Kho people#November 2019, however it is better to continue it here since it is related to the language only. According to Ethnologue, there were 19,200 Khowar speakers in Jammu and Kashmir in 2000 [5]. Pinging @Uanfala and Kautilya3: for suggestions. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I wanted to chime in to this discussion. I can't locate any independent or reliable on Khowar being spoken in India. There's this book https://books.google.com/books?id=g6q_QgAACAAJ&source=gbs_book_other_versions which is a ethnography of the Kho people. What's relevant is the introductory chapter which gives a general overview of the people and language. No where in the text does the book mention any Khowar-speaking people in India. No native Kho seem to exist in India or the text would of mentioned it as it covers the relationship the Chitral region has had with India (among other things). Here's some of the text of the introductory chapter (a few pages aren't available in the preview though so just a heads up) https://books.google.com/books?id=7q9lLQ8QqM8C&pg=PA1&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false I believe the presence of Khowar in India should be considered uncertain until more sources are available.--SlackingViceroy (talk) 19:01, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I think it is doubtful. There would have been Khowar speakers in Jammu and Kashmir (princely state), but mostly in the western Gilgit-Baltistan. I would say, ignore Ethnologue. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Ethnologue can be useful for the primary data that it provides, but that's not always reliable. The 2017 edition (I can't access any recent ones) says there were 19,200 speakers in Jammu and Kashmir in the year 2000. It's not clear where the data has come from, but the year suggests that's not come from the census. And as far as I can see, the 2011 census doesn't list Khowar; Fylindfotberserk mentioned elsewhere that the census label "Dardi" might be it (the figure of 24,965 is certainly compatible with what ethnologue has, but we can't be sure). I've had a look at an earlier census (from 1971), and it does list Khowar speakers, but with a sum total of three, all of them found in Assam. Of course, it could be that there are Khowar speakers who have immigrated more recently, or that there is an old established community who don't give their language name as "Khowar" in the census. A presence of Khowar speakers in Indian Jammu and Kashmir wouldn't be too surpising (there's a very well documented diaspora of Burushaski speakers, for example), but in the absence of solid sources (the standard texts don't mention anything about Khos in India) we're better off ignoring ethnologe and removing the mention. But even if it turns out there are Khowars speakers there after all, there's no need to give that in the infobox: that field is only for the traditional region as well as possibly major diasporas (there is for example a small community over the Afghanistan border in Wakhan, but of course that's too small to mention in the infobox). – Uanfala (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kautilya3, Uanfala, and SlackingViceroy: Thanks guys for your inputs. I've removed it from the "Kho people" article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 21 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 22:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Khowar language → Khowar – The "war" in "Khowar" means language, so "Khowar" means "Kho language" (also mentioned in the article); therefore "Khowar language" doesnt make sense it means "Kho language language". AleksiB 1945 (talk) 13:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, but not per nom. "Khowar" is not ambiguous (cf. Latin, Arabic). —  AjaxSmack  04:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.