Talk:Kaiping Tramway and Imperial Railways of North China

Moved Kinder info

To his own article. This one could use a few lines on him but mostly a coda on the railway between the end of the Russo-Japanese War and the complete nationalization and reorganization of all lines in 1949. (Although it might have stayed gov't-owned throughout, since it apparently paid for the Communications Clique and their lot.) — LlywelynII 04:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, that seems broken

I have just glanced at that and don't understand it all yet, but the separate Kinder article seems badly disconnected from the Kinder information in this article. The two need to come together.

Dashwood Poyntz Ricketts

Is this the same railway, and yet anopther chief engineer?

The London Gazette of 16 March 1926 notes that The King has been pleased to give and grant unto Dash Poyntz Ricketts, Esq., Engineer-in-chief Peking-Mukden Railway, His Majesty's Royal Licence and authority to wear the insignia of the Fourth Class of the Order of the Excellent Crop, which decoration has been conferred upon him by the President of the Republic of China in recognition of valuable services rendered by him.

Emrys2 (talk) 10:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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suggestion for split

This is an editor that usually work in Chinese WP. Having read some essays, Chorographies, and reports from Chinese Railway Co. nowadays, I am now clear of the timeline of Peking-Mukden Railway, and come up with some ideas:

• The contents related to the company "Imperial Chinese Railways (ICR)" should be moved to a new article to elaborate on the development of this company;
• The contents related to the construction and service of the tramway should be separated in several phases:
  • Sections west (inside) of the (Shanhai)Pass:
    • Tangshan - Xugezhuang tramway (1881)→Tangshan - Lutai Tramway (1887)→Tangshan - Tanggu - Tianjin Railway (1888)→;
    • Guye - Tianjin Railway (1890)→;
    • Tianjin - Yuguan (nowadays Shanhai Pass) Railway (1894);
    • When the first-built Kaiping Tramway extended to Yuguan and Tianjin, the Railway from Lugouqiao to Tianjin was completed in 1897;
  • Sections east (outside) of the Pass:
    • From Shanhai Pass to Suizhong (1891-1894)
    • extension to Dahushan (1895-1900)
    • extension to Xinmin (1900-1904)
    • extension to Mukden (1904-1912)
  • In 1907, the Peking - Mukden Railway Administration, affiliated to the Ministry of Posts and Communications, was set up and the Railway from Peking to Shanhai Pass was renamed as "Peking - Mukden Railway".

After listing the outline, I suggest that the history, from the Plan of Kaiping Tramway to the extension to Tianjin, can be regarded as a complete phase (from proposition to extension) and kept in this article, while the extension to Shanhai Pass should be moved to a new article called "Peking - Mukden Railway", under a section called "the construction of the inside-of-the-pass section"; similarly, the extensions to Mukden should be moved to article "Peking - Mukden Railway" under a section called "the construction of the outside-of-the-pass section".

PS: The Peking-Mukden Railway was split in 1932 into 2 sections: the section inside the pass and that outside of the pass, since the Manchukuo, under the support of Japanese Invaders, controlled the section outside of the pass and renamed it as "Mukden-Shanhai Pass Railway"; at the same time, the the section inside of the pass was renamed as "Peiping-Shanhai Pass Railway".

These are the ideas I have.

Johnson.Xia (talk) 03:32, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Peking-Mukden Railway appears ready for acceptance. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree with splitting this page into two articles. The Kaiping Tramway and Imperial Railways of North China are too closely related. Without dirts having the Kaping "Tramway" this line would not have become the Kaiping railway, then China Railway and later Imperial Railways of North China . ( submitted by Wikipedia's "Chinarail" ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chinarail (talk • contribs) 06:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I have accepted it. DGG ( talk ) 22:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC) �

They are closely related, but they are basically 2 things. Johnson.Xia (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Chinarail:Kaiping Tramway was Industrial railway under Kaiping Mines, while Peking–Mukden Railway was a national trunk line, so they should be separate.--Johnson.Xia (talk) 04:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)