Talk:Jones/Derenne Range

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National Register-listed?

I am not sure about the claim this is in a National Register-listed historic district. Because I believe I looked for that, back when the article now at Draft:River Street Inn was in mainspace and was being disputed along with others. I believe i tried to look very carefully at all relevant maps and found this was not in such a district.

I do see the source in footnote, this HMDB page which shows a National Register plaque for the place, which is pretty good evidence to the contrary. But I am not sure. Is there any documentation, any mention in print, which supports this being NRHP-listed? If it is confirmed, or either way really, I do want to help this article develop, but what I can do depends. I am adding wp:HSITES banner above for now at least, anyhow, to be replaced by more specific wp:NRHP banner later if historic district can be confirmed. --Doncram (talk) 04:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC) Further, I see this building is now listed in Buildings in Savannah Historic District, as a result of this series of edits by User:Seasider53. With no specific sourcing added. The general list was supported by a map no longer available at here. The NHL nomination document for the district, available here is unfortunately vague and less useful than more recent such documents. I don't immediately see support for this building being included in the NHL. --Doncram (talk) 04:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is a contributing property to Savannah Historic District. It is in the area indicated by the map and it is part of Factor's Row, mentioned in the nomination form text. (Look how small the early nom forms were!) Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:43, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What map? I do see that there are photos of "Factor's Row" and "Factor's Walk"(?) in the photos supplement document to the NHL text document, but I don't happen to see this building. --Doncram (talk) 04:55, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake - it is not actually part of factor's row/walk. But it is inside the map on the last page of the NRHP nomination form. And the paragraph that starts "The commercial structures ..." is talking about that area, but not all buildings are mentioned specifically. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:59, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- - - - Actually, it IS part of Factor's Walk. The script sign in the photo says "Factor's Walk" and the other one says "River Street Place". Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I would have included an NRHP contributing building infobox in Draft:River Street Inn if I could have determined that. My memory is faulty, of course, but I think I really tried with this one. Also i thought the historic district included only part of the waterfront, that some buildings were over the north edge of the district, but I don't know what map I was referring to. The map on that last page indicates a huge area. And I see 124 E Bay is right in the thick of it. --Doncram (talk) 05:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It was the 277th form of the first year of the NRHP. Notice how small the form is. If it was submitted today, it would be hundreds of pages long. Also, probably some of the buildings that were on the waterfront in 1966 have been torn town. There is a newish big hotel that probably replaced older buildings. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 05:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No Consensus User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

124 East Bay Street → River Street Inn – The historic building or building complex has multiple street addresses including 115 East River Street and is generally known as River Street Inn, its major occupant. There currently is no source at all in the article referring to the building as "124 East Bay Street". First results from searching on that term are only this Wikipedia article and webpages about the River Street Inn. Where did the "124 East Bay Street" term come from, anyhow? By the way the article was originally created as "River Street Inn", in the version now at Draft:River Street Inn; this version is in fact a fork, while in fact the draft should have been moved to mainspace and developed instead. I don't care particularly about not getting "creator" credit for the article in mainspace. However, the main thing is that the article should be at the correct name. The Historic Hotels of America article about it describes River Street Inn as a "former cotton grading and storage facility". The historical marker on the building gives name "River Street Inn" and address 115 East River St. It is not a problem that certain other tenants also exist in the building; we call the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in NYC by the name of the hotel without sweating the fact there is a Cellini Jewelers store in the building, too. --Doncram (talk) 13:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. No such user (talk) 09:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's more for future-proofing, for when it isn't the River Street Inn, like when it wasn't the River Street Inn before. And it's only been an inn for 35 years – it that what makes the building notable? No doubt there's some Wikipedia policy that overrides common sense, which I'm sure I'll be linked to eventually. - Seasider53 (talk) 14:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's no need for future-proofing, WP:COMMONNAME is only concerned about what reliable sources call it right now. OP suggests that there aren't any sources supporting the name "124 East Bay Street", and if that's true, then it's not a good article title. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.historichotels.org/hotels-resorts/river-street-inn/ has the address as 124 East Bay Street; http://web.archive.org/web/20170410051042/http://www.thempc.org/docs/lit/hist/maps/supplement.pdf has no name, just "112-130 East Bay Street (115 East River Street)". https://shopsonbay.com/pages/matteroffactors has the address 120 East Bay Street and looks like the same building. 115 East River Street, 112-130 East Bay Street (if that's the same) and River Street Inn are all possible titles; did it have another name before it was the River Street Inn? Peter James (talk) 15:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The article is about the building, which appears to be far more notable than the current major occupant in any case. So I see no reason to re-scope it to focus on the Inn. Andrewa (talk) 14:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.