Talk:Hypixel/Archive 1

Archive 1

Notability

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#New Articles (December 2 to December 8) czar 16:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Now, the article already has information so that it is not will be deleted. Greetings. --Furawi (talk) 20:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Lead rewrite

Article WP:LEAD is supposed to summarize the rest of the article. I have tagged the article accordingly, but the notice was removed without explanation. So to expand: lead should not have inline citations and lead should not have material not present in the rest of the article. Both of these are issues in the current revision. I attempted to fix these once but my edits were reverted without explanation. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:51, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Looks much better now, thanks to Szzuk. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Notable source wrong?

According to Variety, Hypixel (Network) is developed by Hypixel Studios... This information is false according to the creator... Feel free to roll back if the source is more important than the information, however I doubt wikipedia should maintain a confusing piece of info. (Also, notice that hypixel.net's EV cert is identified as Hypixel Inc.)

https://hypixel.net/threads/announcing-hypixel-studios-and-hytale.1896235/ " What is the difference between Hypixel Inc. and Hypixel Studios?

   Hypixel Inc. is the company that runs (and will continue to run) the Hypixel server. Hypixel Studios is a new company that has been formed in order to develop Hytale.

" 90.120.142.234 (talk) 20:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that source is wrong. They hurriedly combined the game's owner with the server's owner. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:45, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Just looking too much into details, both owners are the same, but the owners owns two different companies ;) I'm also almost sure no 3rd party sources ever used the "Hypixel Inc." before : on Minecraft servers, players don't care about the legal status of a server (most of them aren't legal BTW), they only care about *who* is in charge. 90.120.142.234 (talk) 08:33, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

H. Studio foundation + companies headquarters?

I splited the new company infobox into one for each company. However, I don't know when Studio has been founded and don't know how to find that as the game started developping several years before the announcement. (Source : tweets from @Hypixel at-the-time personal account, now wiped out to become Studio account) On another subject, "Headquarters : worldwide" seems strenge as the store only accept international or Canadian payment. Could someone find a source please? 90.120.142.234 (talk) 19:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

The article is about the game server, not the company. The infobox should not be about the company. The company is not notable, the server is. We mention the company in passing, but the sources say almost nothing about it. We also mention the game because that was the result of merging the Hytale article, but that information will get moved out as soon as the game is released and received proper coverage. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 19:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I think that there should be multiple pages for Hytale, Hypixel Studios and Hypixel Network. However, there is currently not enough sufficient information to support the first two. For now, I think this article should cover everything related to Hypixel, then we'll create pages for Hytale and Hypixel Studios when more information becomes available around release. --Jsraynault (talk) 22:15, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

The article can cover such related information proportionally to the sourcing. However, there are no sources for the company other than those server and game articles that mention it briefly in passing. Including a long description or an infobox would not be appropriate. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 22:32, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Scope concerns

Last night, the mentions of Hypixel's Youtube channel were removed from the History In my opinion it is a mistake, as the server was originally created to host the maps shown on the Youtube channel The maps and the channel were the reason why the server was so popular when it launched Removing mentions of the Hypixel maps/channel as "we are talking about the server" is like saying we shouldn't talk about the Boston Tea Party when talking about the history of the USA.

Also, there is another problem with the edit in my opinion : "we are talking about the server"... the page's name is "Hypixel", which is NOT the Minecraft Server. The page currently talks about Hypixel Studio and Hytale, which are *less* related to the server than the Hypixel caps

• "Hypixel" is the name of the owner
• "Hypixel Network" is the name of the Java Edition server
• "Hypixel China Server" is the name in China (according to only one announcement, name could have changed since)
• "Hypixel, Inc." is maintaining Hypixel Network
• "Hypixel Studios" is making Hytale
• If we count *failed* projects, there's also "Hypixel PE" (named bladestorm before the relationship was revealed)

Therefore we should either A) Let in the history mentions of the maps/channel, as they are a part of "Hypixel" B) Delete/move everything about Studios/Hytale and rename the page as "Hypixel Network" B2) As "Hypixel Network" is nothing more than a huge Minecraft server, it could lead to a merge between this page and the info about other Minecraft Servers like Mineplex

Remember that almost all current notable sources are talking about the Hytale announcement Either we handle Hypixel as a whole, else we'll have handle it as merely one Minecraft server But I honestly doubt a page about Hypixel Network is notable enough for Wikipedia, while Hypixel encompasses two servers (three with the PE alpha) and a game 193.191.221.220 (talk) 09:37, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

The page is (presumably) about the server. And the WP:COMMONNAME for that is "Hypixel". Whether "Hypixel Network" is technically the name is irrelevant because we go by what reliable sources say, such as WP:VG/RS. In this case, the term "Hypixel Network" is never mentioned by any source. History mentions and YouTube channel are fine as long as they are reliably sourced. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for my edit summary. Add whatever you want to the thing, just make it relevent and sourced correctly. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree that everybody uses "Hypixel (server)" as the server's name, however Hypixel is *also* the commonly used name for the owner itself... and it's also probably the case for the company owned by the owner operating the server, I don't think it will manageable on the long run... (also, I predict a catch-22 about the notability of Hytale). Here's an example : " On december 9, 2018, Hypixel announced a new stand-alone game in development called Hytale " This sentence is about the owner, using the server's forum for marketing purpose... but the server is not involved with Hytale's development. Also, on Twitter, @Hypixel used to be owner's personal account, the server has always been @Hypixel_Network. PS: I'm the unregistered user who started the talk 90.120.142.234 (talk) 20:20, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Someone changed the server infobox into a company infobox with both the server and Hytale. I edited it into two distinct infoboxes but the header part clearly starts with "Hypixel is a server ..." but both solutions assume the COMPANY is the subject. 90.120.142.234 (talk) 19:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I reverted that. The article is about the server. I posted a comment below. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:51, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm *again* the unregistered user who started the section... I still think the wikipedia article should make clear that the "Hypixel" name can refer to several things (it's the common name of the server, but the "official username" of the owner). There are at least two correct ways to talk about the server : "Hypixel" and "Hypixel Network", while online there is only one way to name the owner : "Hypixel". An example of confusing statement is "Hypixel announced a new stand-alone game" : as is the announcement comes from the server, in the sources the announcement was from Hypixel Studios, in practice the owner also made a personal announcement both on the server and on the server's forums... yet the statement is true because the owner is called Hypixel, a fact never mentionned on the page! As a wikipedian example for creators known by username, the article about Minecraft's creator mentions that he's "better known as Notch" 2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:914B:7CA8:7D8B:E703 (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows WP:V, which in short means we source everything. Sources call "it" Hypixel. Yes, they mix the company, the server network, the person, and the new studio together. But making this distinction is not up to us. Also, the article does say "Simon Collins-Laflamme (known as Hypixel)". —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I disagree : the sources (at least 2 on 3) claim that Hypixel *Studio* did the announcement and Hypixel is also the name of the owner, the Wikipedia article says that "Hypixel" did, and the lead of the page states that Hypixel is the name of the server. The current page implies that Hypixel is only used for the server, which can lead to problems as different sources can use Hypixel for different entities. If the sources talk about the owner when saying "Hypixel", I'm pretty sure Wikipedia can't say both "Hypixel did..." and simply "Hypixel is the name of the server" as it will lead to misleading interpretation from the sources, right? Yes, the source said that, but they meant a different "Hypixel" than Wikipedia. (EDIT: still the same user) 2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:3C71:D3FE:ADD:796A (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

I reworded it in the Hytale section. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:32, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Are there notable sources about kevinkool?

Kevinkool used to be a Hypixel Network admin until the day he... dissepeared. I'm not saying he didn't log back, I'm saying than all his account history got wiped out, the IG item (paintball hat) named after him has been silently renamed and his username+variations got locked at account creation (and some players claimed being muted when talking about him) According to a YT video ( https://youtube.com/watch?v=ennIri8QR7M ) it seems he had.. inappropriate behavior with staff members and underage players, and the staff would have then forced mods-and-higher to never talk again with kevinkool. Does anyone know if a notable source talked about or confirmed that, or even mentioned Kool at all? 90.120.142.234 (talk) 09:00, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

No, only information with notable sources can be included, so this one doesn’t and can’t count. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Maybe is a clarification about Guiness Records necessary?

Maybe it's out of scope, but does someone knows how the Guiness Book counted the "games" for the 43 record? I remember that when the Arcade Game launched, Hypixel said it had doubled the number of games... if every part of the "Party Games" Arcade compilation were counted separately. I know that "as is" the page is correct, it is proven that the Guiness recognized 43 games on Hypixel Network, but I wonder how the Guiness Book compared the games. It's even more dubious about "most popular Minecraft server", it's a fact Guiness recognized that... but what does that mean? (Also, I find funny that Wikipedia claims "is one of the most popular" while list a "most popular" award without clarification) 2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:914B:7CA8:7D8B:E703 (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

That wouldn’t be WP:NPOV, and it’s the only server with an article, so I included it as ‘one of the’ instead of calling it ‘the most’ to adhere to a NPOV. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 23:44, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Proposal for deletion

You can read the purpose on Page Issues, but I didn't directly leave it to be deleted because I feel like this article may have some potential, if all reasons for deletion proposal can be changed.

Lafayette Baguette (talk) 05:16, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Haha, 100 edits and already deleting pages? Try extended confimed or gaining more experience before trying to ‘help’. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 06:18, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Even if I personally love the page's subject, I agree there is not really much sourced info to justify the page.

The server has not received many mainstream press coverage, and there is few infos about Hytale... as both are from different companies, the consensus is that they should have separated pages, but the separate subjects are very small. 2A02:A03F:3A43:A900:6545:8350:23A0:6A65 (talk) 13:22, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

"not really much sourced info" -- the threshold is WP:GNG. "as both are from different companies [..]" -- this is not relevant to GNG, WP:NOTINHERITED. "consensus is that they should have separated pages" -- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hytale redirected Hytale to this page (until if and when the game is actually released). What other consensus are you talking about? —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:48, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

The deletion discussion passed with a clear vote of keep. The sources are all right, so don’t worry and stop complaining. The article is great. Now let’s go celebrate 2019. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 09:19, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Should Minecraft Edition be specified?

Minecraft's version 1.12.2 officially renamed the game into "Minecraft : Java Edition" and the crossplatform version (nicknamed Bedrock) has been renamed "Minecraft". The way huge Bedrock servers are operated is different from the Java servers (huge Bedrock servers are partners, aledgly exempted from the EULA, Java servers are third-party, legally oversized end users with huge resources). I believe saying that Hypixel is a *Java* server would be an important information as Hypixel is the biggest "mega-server" which didn't became a Bedrock partner. Many players are assuming, when purchasing Bedrock, that Hypixel is available alongside its competitors like Mineplex, and I believe this information should be available in the lead. The reason I'm asking the question in the talk page is because of the sources : Hypixel launched at the time Java edition was simply called "Minecraft" and is often called nowadays "a Minecraft server", while Wikipedia readers could assume that "Minecraft" refers to the one version officially named as such by Microsoft/Mojang. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, seems like a valid point to mention. Although I moved it out of lead and to the main prose to avoid unnecessary detail and confusion in lead. Everyone calls it just "Minecraft", but we can make it clear it means the Java version. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:50, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Would be Hypixel-related events in scope?

It has been established that the page is about the "Hypixel Network" server Would be IRL events with Hypixel staff provided games similar to the ones of the server be allowed on the page? There are a few I can think of (but maybe without non-primary sources)

• Skywars tournament at the Minecon Earth 2017 viewing party
• Several Insomnia events (can't remember exactly which ones)

2A02:A03F:3A98:7900:3C71:D3FE:ADD:796A (talk) 21:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

References

If they are related, sure. As long as they are reliably sourced and not given undue weight. Unfortunately, none of the sources above qualify. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:35, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I knew that above sources wouldn't probably qualify, it was to explain what kind of events I was talking about. :) The question is exactly "is it related?" before searching maybe-inexistant reliable sources... It's not the "Hypixel Network" server, it's the same staff providing the same games than on the server, on a LAN environment. In my opinion the line between the server and the company is "Is it game related?", but I would prefer a consensus before looking for sources and maybe even starting editing. For example, I think Hypixel also made a panel at Minecon 2016 about 3D models or something like that, do we treat that as still related to the *server*? 2A02:A03F:3A43:A900:A080:C2DA:6960:4DD7 (talk) 19:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Number 4 would count....? Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 22:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

It's a primary source, so it wouldn't be usable. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 23:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

HyTale should be a different page

HyTale is a game of HyPixel. The company is releasing more and more updates in their websites and it is important that the HyTale section should be moved to a seperate site so that when the game is released, more content can be added without confusing the reader.

-CyberGamer999 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CyberGamer999 (talk • contribs) 00:10, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hytale. For now, we won't be making an article. All the information about the game is directly from the developer and there is no independent coverage. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, technically, there is independent coverage, but all of it is talking more about the Minecraft server launching his own game, none of them talks about the game itself. Personally, I doubt we'll see enough independant coverage until a beta version is out. IMHO, Hytale should be on Wikipedia, shouldn't be permanently on the Hypixel (server) page and doesn't deserve yet his own page. I would agree with CG999 if it was intended as a permanent solution, but I full agree with you until at least the beta. I understand that the current setup is strenge, but what Hypixel did was rather unique too, as he's using a famous third-party product from a unrelated unknown company to promote a game which is not even playable yet. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 08:19, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Hypixel Studios and Hytale

Hypixel is a minecraft server. This is definitely not the place to go in depth about Hytale or Hypixel Studios. They should have their own pages early on so that it won't create more work for the future and can be organized before more information floods. What should be done right now and who can do it? BrightSanity (talk) 04:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

"definitely not the place to go in depth" -- there is no Wikipedia policy that says we cannot include related information. And the information we have is hardly in-depth. "should have their own pages early" -- the threshold for a page is WP:GNG; neither the game nor the company have passed it yet. Also, see above discussions. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 15:41, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@Hellknowz: I think it's getting close to meeting GNG though. It's a bit too early, but perhaps in a month or two (with the associated press coverage it seems to be enjoying) it's worth re-evaluating. Appable (talk | contribs) 18:07, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

When the game gets released, sure. Otherwise, nothing has really changed -- all the sources use the same primary information directly from the developer. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 19:04, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

There will in fact be updates a couple of months from now and we will have reliable sources covering it. [1] wumbolo ^^^ 20:27, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Contested world record?

A reverted 11 june edit mentioned that at least one Minecraft server is contesting the Guiness's claim about "most games on a Minecraft server", does Wikipedia have a procedure when a source is reliable, but based on at-the-time incomplete information? It doesn't help that it's also the award without secondary sources, meaning the Guiness itself didn't talk about it. Of course, "most games on a Minecraft server" is a completely void claim as there's no way to know what the Guiness considers as a game and what is needed to be recognized as a server : anybody could open a 5 slots server and host a copy of every minigame map in Minecraft's history... :) 193.191.221.220 (talk) 13:00, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

The reverted edit said that it seems that DiamondFire has more games and cited DiamondFire's website. If DiamonFire has made an official claim for the record, then maybe we can argue for its inclusion. Without it, there's a problem regarding no original research. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

My question was more like "what if the notable Guiness gives an award, but there's debate that this decision is incorrect?" the problem is that we have no sources from Guiness about what counts as a game. For example, the Hypixel's arcade lobby contains a "game" called "party games" which is a compilation of mini-games. This awards LOOKS like a factual fact, but there's no way to challenge how the record was set (compare with "highest concurrent players", which can be challenged)193.191.221.220 (talk) 13:08, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but we should go by what the sources say. To go beyond this would constitute as original research problem. ◢ Ganbaruby! (talk) 15:33, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Is the monthly cost really appropriate in the summary?

Maybe I'm not tolerant enough, but I don't think the 100,000 $/month figure is important enough to be placed in the head section of the page. In my opinion it's an interesting info for wikipedia (and seems having a good source), it doesn't really explain what Hypixel is (they could burn resources for nothing, *costly* doesn't mean *big*). I would have some doubts about a player/month metric in the summary, but internal organisation infos really seem out of place. [EDIT] Also, this information is likely to be outdated, wouldn't be a date necessary? In fact, it could be *already* outdated, given that the recent Skyblock addition forced Hypixel to purchase additional servers. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Moved down  Nixinova  T  C  19:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Pedantic edit about "running" on an edition

I made a change that may be considered too insignifiant (and badly written), so I thought that writing my reasoning in the Talk page would be a good idea, maybe someone will be able to do a better edit with the same logic. The former version was "It runs on Java Edition". It's technically false as Hypixel doesn't use the official Java Edition server. (Easiest proof : no official server software provide cross-support between major versions.) I propose changing "running on" which is a unprovable server-side perspective with a client-side perspective, like "only users of the Java Edition are supported" or something like that. Like I said, it's really pedantic as 99% of the Minecraft readers know that the official server software is not adapted for public servers, however the others could think that Hypixel uses an official Mojang software. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• The line has been changed.  Nixinova  T  C  07:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you! 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
• *If* what software is used by Hypixel is considered valuable information for wikipedia, their latest dev blog says that it's a modified version of Spigot. https://hypixel.net/threads/dev-blog-6-keeping-up-with-the-masses.2251554/ 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:09, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

End of august vandalism

Thanks Hellknowz and Melofors for removing the unsourced claims about the third owner. I'm an Hypixel fan, and I never heard of a third owner and I'm 100% sure it's not only unsourced, but also completely fake (or unprovable). However, I'm a bit curious : who is this "Prithu K. Rai" guy? Did anybody already heard of this name in other wikipedia vandalism or maybe related to Minecraft? I think adding the username of the owners could be useful for identification (example : Markus Persson's article mentions his Notch username), but I don't think I could find a source for Wikipedia : Simon is Hypixel and (I assume) Philippe is Rezzus, there's no third known account with the Owner rank on the Minecraft server. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 08:36, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I assume the vandaliser is just adding their own name to the article. I've been on Hypixel 6 years and have never heard of this person.  Nixinova  T  C  20:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I added the owner's usernames in the summary, if the vandals add a made-up username most Hypixel fans should be able to notice the problem. It's unsourced and I don't doubt it won't be accepted by wikipedia, but honestly I prefer having a "common knowledge" fact from first-party sources than completely false information... 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:12, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

This vandal is smart, he profited that I was editing a section in several steps to add himself to the History section, where there are no usernames... Nobody noticed during 24h, and I only noticed when looking the history, as he accidently made an empty edit with the fake name in the edit description. Sadly, it was enough for google to now show him as an owner when searching his name, GG PKR. At least we now know the complete name of the fake owner : Prithu Keshav Rai I'll add a comment in the source to warn future editors. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:06, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Seems he's still trying... I'm not a long time editor on wikipedia, what are the requirements to forbid editing from this guy? :) However, he didn't edit the History section this time, so the usernames seems to have deterred him. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 06:35, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Original research about records

The following note has been considered Original Research : "Breaking "Most Popular Independent Server" on Minecraft implies breaking "Most Popular Minecraft Server Network" with the same performance." However, the performance and date of the two records are still merged, doesn't it imply the same conclusion? 2A02:A03F:3AA0:E500:48FC:2EA5:D603:52E7 (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Mojang's statement about what is a server is NOT original research

Dear Hellknowz, in case you didn't notice, my last edit had a source... as a comment. The reason for this comment was in the edit reason : "Moved source in comments; source works in preview but breaks the page when updated, don't know why Sorry" Having no more time, I had the choice between letting it as-is and breaking the page (while the preview is still 100% OK) or removing the source, I hoped that the next editor would notice and then fix the source, instead half my changes got deleted for a false reason... because the problematic comment is still there. I would recommend that a better-skilled editor than me set the comment as a real source, or comment the whole section until someone find a way to fix the source, rather than removing the note *and letting a now useless comment*...

Alternatively, the other editors could find a real reason to remove the statement (my opinion being that a) "on a Minecraft Server" only apply to Hypixel because of Mojang's statement about server networks and "games on Minecraft" is an oxymoron because for Mojang there is only one game : Minecraft itself), however saying that it is unsourced work when I tried several times to add the source without breaking the page is really saddening. I re-added the deleted content as a comment in order to avoid data loss, I have already enough trouble to understand why the source doesn't work as intended, rewriting the same thing several time won't probably help. Thank you

[EDIT] Seems I managed to fix the formatting problem, Mojang source is now live! 193.191.221.220 (talk) 06:59, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

The note violates WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. You cannot join two independent facts together without a good source. No source discusses the fact that Guinness does not explain what a "server" is or isn't or how it applies to this record. That is what the note is trying to say and that is textbook original research without a source. It certainly cannot be supported by a primary source, which in this case does not even mention Hypixel, let alone any records. Notes are not exempt from content policies: it is either explicitly and directly sourced or it is not suitable for Wikipedia. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:19, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok, sorry I thought the problem was the lack of source, given that the source itself wasn't removed by the edit. [EDIT] Small nitpick, the reason of the note (and the primary source confirmed that) was that in Minecraft a "server network" simply doesn't exist : it's either one server (clients don't need to log out) or several servers (forced logout). The reason of that is that besides the absurd performances, being a network is unprovable as the client always stay connected to a single proxy. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 09:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Primary source about 15 million unique players

Hypixel now reached 15M unique users, and this page has been edited to contain updated informations. However, the outdated 14.2M statement was backed by a secondary source from Dec 2018 while the new one is only sourced by the owner's own tweet from May 2019. Is "800k more unique players in 5 months" an enough major statement to require a secondary source, or do we consider it "believable enough" to consider it a reasonable self-claim? 2A02:A03F:3A35:B500:D5C7:9D54:E571:A9F0 (talk) 17:35, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

It seems both the primary source and warning got removed from summary and History, then readded to the summary without any warning nor updating the history... The particular problem of a non-surprising unsourced claim is slowing turining into an edit war and I surely don't want to see this page getting semi-protected as I'm not registered. For now, I added the warnings back and copied the additional info into the History section.2A02:A03F:3A35:B500:2D91:72F3:CB82:E0A9 (talk) 15:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

"Bed Wars" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the redirect Bed Wars should be deleted, kept, or retargeted. It will be discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 25#Bed Wars until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Founding date

The article claims that Hypixel was founded on April 14, 2013. The references used don't mention this date, only stating on oldest.org that it was founded in April 2013. Where did this info come from? Melofors 06:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I've added a better source [2] and fixed the timezone error introduced.  Nixinova  T C   19:27, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't have a source for that, but Hypixel's twitter used to contain the info.. Sadly it got destroyed when the account got rebranded into Hypixel Studios to follow the Hytale Announcement 2A02:A03F:3ADB:6B00:883E:5B3:A80B:95C0 (talk) 10:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

What about version history?

I found some (first-party) sources about Hypixel's version longterm policy (supporting both 1.8 and the latest release), do you think this information is suitable about WP or could it be considered "too time specific" for that? I added it at the bottom of "History" 2A02:A03F:3ADB:6B00:883E:5B3:A80B:95C0 (talk) 10:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

First party sources should be used very very sparingly. It should definitely not support any detailed or trivial information. Version history is a common type of indiscriminate information that Wikipedia doesn't list. Even if it was sourced with secondary sources, unless it's major updates that actually discuss things in-depth and not just reiterate patch notes or something. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 10:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

IP doesn't mean hypixel version history, they mean the fact that Hypixel supports multiple Minecraft versions by porting all clients to 1.8. Though, this info is trivial.  Nixinova   T   C   07:48, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Acquisition by Riot

Riot just purchased the minecraft server and assisted in the creation of the sandbox game BreadGoose (talk) 19:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

No, they didn't. Riot Bought Hypixel Studios, the developer of Hytale, not Hypixel Inc, the developer of the Hypixel server. Two different companies.  Nixinova   T   C   20:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

That brings back the old debate : shouldn't the page be named "Hypixel Network" or "Hypixel Inc." with a redirection from Hypixel, given that this single word refers to a player, a Youtube channel, a Minecraft server and two companies? 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Minigames

The minigame section is a textbook trivia/gamecruft material with absolutely no reliable secondary sources. I understand that minigames is the whole point of the server, but it still requires secondary coverage to be included. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 21:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree and now regret having completed the section without wondering if said section was necessary in the first place. Thank you for breaking the sheep effect. I would be surprised if a mainstream source would mention any Hypixel game, to be honest... and I guess Minecraft-specific sources wouldn't be notable enough to be sourced? 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Such sites would be secondary, but almost certainly not reliable. They hardly have author credentials, editorial oversight, fact-checking, etc. It would also be the question of proportional coverage. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 08:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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All the references in the table in the Accolades section are wrong

Numerous references are listed for every world record, but almost all of them refer to Hytale, not the world records, and the only one that does refer to its world record is no longer functional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotRollo (talk • contribs) 04:30, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Did you even read the articles? The content is mentioned in each source, and the ref 23 just requires a registration.  Nixinova   T   C   04:36, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm the person who actually added Guiness as a source. Yes, most of the articles are about Hytale, but they mention in passing that the Hypixel server broke the records. What reference is "no longer functional"? We only have 3 kind of sources, and none of them are perfect : A) the non-independant Hypixel announcement claiming they have 4 records B) the free-registration-required Guiness search which confirms that and C) independant sources covering the same information when explaining why Hypixel is not a random Minecraft servers across the thousands of servers existing worldwide. In theory, I guess the Hytale articles aren't *necessary* but having a single-source requiring registration looks like a recipe for verification problems. (Historically, I think the Guiness Search is the last source added, so the articles WERE necessary at the time?) 193.191.221.220 (talk) 09:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hypixel is located in Québec, and the founders are Québécois. Should it be mentioned in the article?

Félix An (talk) 23:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Interesting question. First, what does "located in Québec" means? The Minecraft servers are hosted in Chicago, but the Store is obviously Canadian (payments must be international or Canadian). I would say that "the founders are Québécois" alone is not server-related, but "French was the first foreign language understood by a mod member" is. Normally, it would be on the page about the founders, but themselves aren't notable enough to have their own WP page. Obviously, all of this assumes there's a reliable source stating the link between that and a noticeable effect on the server. Else, what about saying what was the founder's favorite meal during the first year of operation? 193.191.221.220 (talk) 07:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

To add: they have moved their offices to Northern Ireland in 2020, per https://hytale.com/news/2020/7/progress-update-july-30-2020 . If you wanted to note were they were founded I guess that would be fine, but it should be added they are not headquartered there. 2604:6000:7D46:E401:9C73:CC02:D766:1A98 (talk) 16:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing of the minigames

@SWinxy: I think all the minigames I added are reliably sourced. Is there anything that I am missing? Huaqin (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

My bad. These are sourced, and I shouldn't have reverted. There is the question of whether or not it should be included in the article, we haven't yet had a discussion here. If there is consensus, you should absolutely revert my revert. SWinxy (talk) 20:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I’m not sure if what I added was WP:GAMECRUFT. Huaqin (talk) 01:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2020

A myth about the name "Hypixel" comes from the early days of minecraft servers. When a chest shop the item name would be on a sign alongside the price for example Diamond Pickaxe 200 coins. This worked well until enchantments were added. Enchantments make a tool better but the chest shops could no display enchantments on an item for example an Diamond pickaxe with unbreaking 3 would still say Diamond Pickaxe 300 coins. The enchantments on the item made them cost more and without knowing the enchantments people wanted the best enchants. That is why Hypixel is derived from High picks sell AbhiDaGamer (talk) 00:33, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: This is not really worth mentioning. Besides, I can't find anything about it on the internet - sounds like a joke. --TheImaCow (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

I never heard about this origin, while it is true that the ChestShop plugin didn't show enchantments. According to a few research, Simon changed his Youtube name in 2012, so it *may* be possible. But not proven false doesn't mean it's true.193.191.221.220 (talk) 13:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

"Bedwars" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Bedwars. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 13#Bedwars until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:59, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

"Accolades" are broken

The revision from 13:14, 19 April 2021 broke the formatting of the Accolades section. May be tricky to fix as this version was then used by the future improvements? Link to the revision : https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Hypixel&diff=1018711180&oldid=1015126138 193.191.221.220 (talk) 14:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. Just a missing line break. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 15:04, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Add section about influence on Youtube and Minecraft community

Since so many people play on Hypixel, it's had a big influence on the Minecraft community. Gamemodes like Skywars, Bedwars, and Skyblock have launched hundreds of careers. Skyblock's economy has created illegal real life markets for coins and items and caused thousands to get into real life investing. The influence that this server has had on the Minecraft community is profound, and the article should reflect that. Grameeow (talk) 16:35, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Grameeow: See WP:NOR and WP:V. You must have reliable sources which support this information. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:41, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2021

Change the player count from "over 100,000 on peak hours" to 200,000, as 216,000 is the current record for Hypixel.net. Matthew917 (talk) 03:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SWinxy (talk) 03:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

June 2021 DDoS attacks and full Cloudflare

As of June 2021, Hypixel has moved all of its servers and hardware to Cloudflare after a series of large scale attacks. This is still ongoing right now, and seems like a fairly major event, so I thought I'd ask if we should add it. Maybe under the part about Cloudflare in 2018? Not sure. Here's a link to the incident report: https://status.hypixel.net/incidents/tcsyp6sl632g. Pg4919 (talk) 18:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

This needs to be covered inn secondary sources if it is to be included in an encyclopedia... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Usually primary sources are fine, but they deserve more scrutiny. Per WP:PSTS, uses of these types of sources should be at the editor's discretion. I would say it would be worth mentioning, but to use an archived link to the temporary homepage, where it explains in more detail. SWinxy (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

This looks like routine service issues. Without secondary sources to give it importance, it's not worth covering. Otherwise, why choose this one over any of the other incidents or events? Including the DDoS one and not, say, API outage is subjective, which is exactly why we need secondary sources for this sort of content. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:22, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I miswrote. I meant to say that if it were to be mentioned, use the archived site as a citation. Main point being that primary sources aren't banned. SWinxy (talk) 01:09, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Should a gameplay section be added to the article?

Any thoughts on whether a gameplay section like this, which, among other things, goes into detail about the minigames, should be included? Huaqin (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

To be honest, this example is very confusing, mixing games, cheat detection and monetisation model. Besides that, I think it falls under "(No) Lists of gameplay items, weapons, or concepts" https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Video_games#Inappropriate_content193.191.221.220 (talk) 13:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Would shortening the section to not specifically mention any minigames or items work? Like: "Hypixel has various minigames, multiplayer games created by editing and repurposing the game mechanics of Minecraft. The server tries to find players that are hacking using a mechanism named 'Watchdog'. Players can purchase, among other things, cosmetics and ranks that allow for certain abilities and qualities." Huaqin (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

I've added the shortened version above. Feel free to change the section if it has any problems. Huaqin (talk) 15:58, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I really do feel like an explanation of minigames could work if it can just put the games into more general categories (some games are competitive, some games are casual), or it could talk about the more played games and tell statistics about certain ones, though unfortunatly wikipedia is not very suited for a full explanation of all games in the hypixel article. If none of those ideas sound like they'd work, then maybe consider making an article like "List of minigames in Hypixel"
MelonIsYes (talk) 21:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

At least briefly explaining some of the most popular minigames (Skyblock, Bedwars, Skywars) would be good IMO. "various multiplayer minigames created by modifying and repurposing the game mechanics of Minecraft" isn't quite descriptive - what would those minigames entail? M2r1k5 (talk) 03:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, a "summary of knowledge", and this also means it should be based on secondary sources. If there are no sources independent of the subject which go into this level of detail, we can leave that kind of detail to a fan-site or something. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:08, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2021

In the section where it says the server owner's username and states 'Hypixel' should be changed to 'hypixel'. you can check many YouTube videos by popular creators to check this. TheGnuGod (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources to support the change you want made. YouTubers are not reliable sources. Leijurv (talk) 07:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

An RS isn't needed to fix a capitalisation issue. I can confirm here his name is indeed lowercase.  Nixinova   T   C   23:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

If anyone is wondering, Minecraft doesn't allow two usernames with only a differing case so that excludes the possibility of an impersonator. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 11:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2021

Change the citation no. 4 to use https://minetrack.me it shows the amount of players on the server at the moment and also historical data like the mosts players which where online at once plus they also have an archive which allows everyone to download all historical data they collected. Alexander1607 (talk) 09:12, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: This source isn't actually any more reliable than the current poor source. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:43, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

I was going to propose putting both sources, but then learned that the Minetrack software has been opensourced by an Hypixel Studio dev, which may be an issue too. 193.191.221.220 (talk) 11:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Edited languages, due Hypixel added 3 new languages to their server.

{{Infobox software
| name = Hypixel
| logo = HypixelLogo.png
| logo alt = Hypixel Inc., Logo
| developer = Hypixel Inc.
| released = {{Start date and age|2013|04|13}}
| platform = ''[[Minecraft|Minecraft: Java Edition]]''
| language = English, German, French, Dutch, Spanish, Mandarin Chinese, Cantonese Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Italian, Portuguese, Portuguese (Brazil), Polish, Nederlands, Greek, Korean, Turkish, Finnish, Czech
| language count = 18
| language footnote = <ref>{{Cite web|title=Language Troubleshooting - Hypixel Support|url=https://support.hypixel.net/en-us/article/106-language-troubleshooting|access-date=September 18, 2020|website=Hypixel Support}}</ref>
| genre = [[Minecraft server|''Minecraft'' server]]
| website = {{url|hypixel.net}}
}}

Jqstln (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done The support page doesn't have new new languages yet, but their blog post on the 26th mentions the three added (Fin, Czech, & Turk). SWinxy (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I added a DDoS section for the DDoS attacks

Feel free to fix it or remove it. I'm really new to editing so it's likely I made a mistake. TheRadPixel (talk) 09:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Added info on The Haxickle Accident

I added the necessary information regarding what was called "The Haxickle Accident". I'm a new editor, please let me know where I could improve. GreyAwoo (talk) 07:41, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@GreyAwoo: Wikipedia requires reliable WP:SECONDARY sources (such as those listed at WP:VG/RS), that is, not written by Hypixel devs themselves and definitely not random forum members. Attacks/hacks/etc. is common and routine information that Wikipedia does not include per WP:NOTNEWS, unless it's exceptional and covered at length. In this case, I cannot even find any other mention of "The Haxickle Accident" besides that forum post. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 11:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

It was a major incident that seemed no less relevant than the two items mentioned before it? It was one of the 3 major attacks on Hypixel that has taken place in recent years, and is definitely noteworthy. It impacted over 50,000 people at the time it happened, what's the minimum requirement for "exceptional and covered at length"? GreyAwoo (talk) 12:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

"exceptional and covered at length" was in relation to routine coverage. Any material can be added if it is supported by reliable and independent sources. However, because such attacks and hacks are common and all over the Internet, it should be more than just a passing routine news coverage, otherwise we would be adding endless trivial mentions all the time. What makes an event noteworthy is that reliable independent sources decided to cover it, regardless how well-known or popular it may be otherwise.

As for the other two mentions. The first one has a PC Gamer article, if brief. That's enough coverage to include a sentence or two. The second though I don't actually believe should be included. I didn't really look at it before. @Nixinova: no offence, but these are not reliable sources, as you can probably agree. We haven't got any reliable coverage and your article is self-published. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 12:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I mean I agree about the second one. Ignoring the sources the paragraph has too much detail anyway. At most that should just be "In June 2021 the server was closed for several days due to DDoS attacks" if it's to be included.  Nixinova   T   C   23:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Personally, I don't see the point of an "attacks" section if its only going to mention 2 arbitrarily chosen events. Attacks have never been a core topic surrounding Hypixel. It seems rather pointless to have a section entirely on attacks if its only going to mention a single significant item, and perhaps it should just be added as a point under the main history section. GreyAwoo (talk) 23:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2022

change "Available in 18 languages" to "Available in 21 languages" Gamazations (talk) 11:19, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:26, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done. SWinxy (talk) 20:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Sky block

Add more money making methods 2600:1700:3E45:C40:AD2A:B687:FD18:5E82 (talk) 22:25, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Video game strategy guides fall outside the scope of Wikipedia's purpose. Recently, however, one of our sister projects Wikibooks has started allowing this type of content - see this page if you're interested in writing one yourself. Ionmars10 (talk) 00:53, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Update the listed languages

I saw that the listed languages is missing Danish and it was recently added

[3] Ice (talk) 03:36, 7 February 2023 (UTC)